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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Australia Lookups completed => Topic started by: Mrs Aussie Karrob on Saturday 31 May 08 04:22 BST (UK)
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Has anyone heard of the above name in Sydney. I have attached a section of a birth certificate that shows this name (I think) for the marriage of the parents.
Can someone come up an answer for me??
Karon
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Hi
Could it possibly be Scots Church....oldest Presbyterian church in Australia
http://www.scotspresbyteriansydney.org/cms/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1
Just a thought :)
Cheers
Cando
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This answer to a different question on another site may help to confuse you:
The following details come from Nick Vine Hall's "Parish Registers in
Australia".
There appear to be several different Presb Scots Churches in Sydney, as
well as Scotch Church, (Presb) Pitt & Hay Sts.
These are the listings for christenings for that period:
1.Scots Church, Church Hill (Pres): nothing for relevant years.
2.Scots Church, Elizabeth St (Pres): 1834 - Christenings Indexed - copies
held AONSW (State Records) on film/fiche and RG NSW hard copy.
3.Scots Church, Margaret St (Pres):church still operating & some
registers held locally. No details of specific years/registers given.
4.Scots Church, (Pres): 1832-1836 - Christenings Indexed - copies held
AONSW (State Records) on film/fiche and RG NSW hard copy.
???
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Oh my gosh... :-[ :-[ I should have looked further before posting that link. ..and I have Nick Vine's CD :-[
Cando
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There appears to be a St Andrew's Cathedral too - is that Presbyterian?
There is a St Andrews Mines which I ruled out to it not being built till the 1900's.
I guess writing simply "Scotch Church" will mean it would be the most well known one in Sydney at the time. Wonder if that would make it the Cathedral?
'Scotch' and 'Scots' will be used interchangably I think. I notice on earlier immigration records people from Scotland were written down as being 'Scotch'. They'd be called 'Scots' or 'Scottish' or 'a Scot' these days. 'Scotch' is that awful alchoholic drink ;D.
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reg no 826/1861 groom MOTT WILLIAM bride DENMAN FRANCES at SYDNEY
I wonder if a copy of the marriage certificate will have the church details
regards Jenn
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I also have a marriage at "Church of St Andrews, Sydney," on 5 March 1858. When I checked the Reels at The Archives office I found that the marriage was according to the Rites of the Church of Scotland.
Back the in 1988 I tried to find the Church and I still have a letter from the Presbyterian Church of Australia which states
"St Andrew's Scots Church was originally situated behind what is now St Andrew's Anglican Cathedral and was moved to Rose Bay."
We went to Rose Bay and found a tablet in a wall which states
This Tablet records the erection of St Andrew's Scots Church at Rose Bay which contains fittings, organ, memorail windows and mural tablets of St Andrew's Scots Church, Sydney Erected 1834.
Thomas Morgan Moderator of Assembly 1912-1913.
I hope this information helps to solve the puzzle
Cass
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I have an 1837 marriage at St Andrews Scots Church which is from the parish registers and simply says
Presbyterian Church Marriages for St Andrew’s Scot’s Church, Sydney in the County of Cumberland for the year 1837
Married by John McGarvie of Sydney, NSWales, minister of St Andrew’s Church there
I think the original Scots church in Sydney was completed in 1826 - from a book about John Dunmore Lang By the middle of 1826 the building was finished though not yet paid for. The formal opening occurred on 16 July
I assume St Andrews was a different one if it was built in 1834? As Ruskie mentioned - there seemed o be a number of them. Until I read the comment by Cass, i thought my 1837 marriage was in the original ??? ???
Trish
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There appears to be a St Andrew's Cathedral too - is that Presbyterian?
I guess writing simply "Scotch Church" will mean it would be the most well known one in Sydney at the time. Wonder if that would make it the Cathedral?
'Scotch' is that awful alchoholic drink ;D.
Just for info - a Cathedral belongs to one of the old hierarchical churches which have bishops and dioceses, and is the "mother church" of a diocese and the seat of the bishop. Usually Anglican or Roman Catholic in Australia, but where there are large numbers of Orthodox Christians, they may have a Cathedral as well. Certainly never Presbyterians! St Andrew's Cathedral in Sydney is Anglican.
And Ruskie, Scotch is not awful! Single malt Scotch is nectar of the gods!!!!
MarieC
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Can't stand the stuff Marie .... (I wondered how long it's be before I got a bite ;))
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Can't stand the stuff Marie .... (I wondered how long it's be before I got a bite ;))
I'm with you on this one Ruskie :) despite being told many times about the wonder of a single malt
Trish
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Really sorry to hear that Ruskie and Trish are so lacking in taste on this important matter!! :o :o :o Nothing like a good single malt on a cold night - warms one from head to toe!
MarieC