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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kirkcudbrightshire => Topic started by: amccd on Sunday 29 June 08 17:06 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone,
My great grand father was born in King Street on 14th march 1869. His name was David Williamson.
I have a copy of his birth certificate which was obtained by someone in the family in 1924.
His mother Isabella Williamson was working as a housekeeper and hers is the only name on the certificate but I have read(somewhere) that copies only have the mothers name on them.
I am not sure if Isabella was married or not,so I have not been able to get any definite leads on her. If she was unmarried then there is an Isabella living in St michaels street Dumfries in 1851 age 16 whose father was called David who could be her
Any help would be appreciated
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Hi :)
Here's an interesting entry on the 1871 census:
King Street, Castle Douglas, Kelton
869 ED 2 Household No. 87
John Williamson, 16, skinner, b. Kelton
Isabella Williamson, sister, 25, Housekeeper, b. New Abbey, KKD
Thomas, nephew, 10, b. Kelton
David, nephew, 2, b. Kelton
Kelton was the parish in which Castle Douglas was.
Gadget
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Isabella Williamson died 12 Feb 1892, Back King Street, Castle Douglas, aged 47. She was a charwoman and single. her son David, living at Myrtle Villas, Margate, was the informant.Her parents were not shown.
Gadget
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The only birth/bpt showing for Isabella that I can see at the moment is:
18 March 1847, Tongland to Dugald S Williamson and Julia Curwen Stanley
Not sure about this :-\ I'll check the earlier censuses and brother John.
Gadget
Added - not Isabella - see below
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This looks like the family in 1861
King Street, Castle Douglas
869 ED 1 Household No. 26
John Williamson, 34, Horse Breaker, b. Tynron
Margaret, 36, b. New Abbey
Isabella, 17, b. New Abbey
John, 7, b. Castle Douglas
Thomas Easton, Grandson, 1, b. Castle Douglas
James Cornelia, 26,servant, b. Buittle
I'm thinking that Thomas Easton is probably the Thomas Williamson in the 1871.
Gadget
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In 1851
but no Isabella:
38 Glasgow Street, Troqueer
882 ED 24 page 41
In the home of Sarah Tait:
John Williamson, lodger, 24, horse trainer, b. Tynron
Margaret, lodger, 27, horse trainer's wife, b. New Abbey
Gadget
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1851
an outside possibility for Isabella:
Carse, Kirkcudbright
871 ED 4a Page 5
Thomas Phillips, 33, farmer of 325 acres employing 5 labourers, b. Kirkcudbright
Agnes, sister, 29, farmer's sister, b. Kirkcudbright
Isabella Williamson, visitor,10, scholar, b. Kirkcudbright
and 3 farm servants.
Gadget
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Hi,
thank you very much, it is very interesting and not what I was expecting!!!!
What was David doing in Margate I wonder? This is not what I have been told by my mother who believed her grandfather left Scotland and arrived in the Midlands to build a bridge!!
This info will keep me busy for a while.
much appreciated
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Have you found him on the 1891 census - it might throw some light on his travels :)
if you'd like Isabella's death cert, send me a PM :)
Gadget
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In 1891, he was in Staffordshire:
60 Victoria Road, Horninglow (?), Burton on Trent
RG12/2204 Folio 135 Page 10
in the home of William Proudman, a brewer's labourer:
David Williamson, boarder, 22, Engine Fitter, b. Kirkcubrightshire
He likely travelled around as an engine fitter :)
Gadget
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That makes perfect sense as Burton (Horninglow) is exactly where he should be!!!
But the mystery deepens as I have just re discovered a copy of his marriage certificate which my grandma(his daughter) gave to me and on it his father is named as David Williamson-deceased-engine fitter which complicates things.
Once again many thanks
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He's still in Staffordshire in 1901
60 Smithfield Chapel (?), Horninglow, Burton on Trent, Derby/Staffs
RG13/2646 Folio 83 Page 27
Boarding with William Proudman:
David Williamson, boarder, 32, Engineer (?), b. Scotland
I wouldn't worry too much about father's name on marriage cert. My granddad, b. illegitimate, also put his own name for father on his marriage cert. He might have been embarrassed or who knows :-\
Thinking about the Margate address - could he have put that in case he thought he might have been liable for anything - just speculation :-\
Gadget
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Here's a view of King Street, Castle Douglas that I took 3 years ago :)
My 3 x great Aunty had some property there - they were into spirits :D
I've got some more that I took last year, if you're interested!
Gadget
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Thanks for all of this, I would love to see some more photos, a scottish friend
of mine did say it was the posh bit of scotland!!!!
David Williamson continued to live in Burton, dying in 1950. He married in1901 and the address on the marriage certificate is 60 victoria rd, dont know what the chapel address is.
Have looked up Thomas Easton on IGI and his mother is named as Isabella Easton which might need further research.
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I'll dig out the photos later tonight - going to cook now. Castle Douglas is a lovely town - really worth a visit if you can.
I'm just thinking that Isabella's mother, Margaret, might have been and Easton and Isabella could have been an Easton. Again, worth checking. I'll have a look at this later on as well.
What fun families we have :D
Gadget :)
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Just to complete David's stay in Scotland, here they are in 1881:
160 High Street, Castle Douglas
869 ED 2 Household No.42
Isabella Williamson, 36, Laundress, b.New Abbey
David, 12, scholar, b. Castle Douglas
Uncle/brother John:
7 Glen Road, Buittle
859 ED 2 Household No. 59
a boarder in with William Halliday:
John Williamson, 25, Engine(stationary) driver, b. Kelton
I wonder if this was an influence on David's future career?
No real sighting of Thomas :-\
Gadget
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Found the death of John Williamson, Isabella's father :)
18 June 1866, Castle Douglas: John Williamson, Horse breaker, aged, 38. Married to Margaret Connel/Cinnil (? - I'll put this up - very difficult to read!- see below )
Parents - John Williamson (deceased) and Margaret Brown. Cause- chronic bronchitis. Informant - Isabella Williamson, daughter
Gadget
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It appears to be Conolly:
Margaret Williamson died 18 January 1869, King Street, Castle Douglas, aged 43. Widow of John Williamson, horse breaker. Parents - David Conolly, tailor (dec) and <unknown>. Cause - chronic laryngitis. Informant - John Williamson, son.
So your David might have been named for his maternal great grandfather :)
Gadget
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:)
1841
Road side, New Abbey
877 ED 5
David Connell, 47, Tailor
Jane, 44, b. Scotland
Mary, 8
William, 6
Jane, 3
all but Jane b. Kirkcudbright
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1851
Ingliston, New Abbey
877 ED 2 Page 14
David Connal, 58, Tailor, b. Troqueer
Jane, 55, b. Keir, Dumfriesshire
Jane, dau, 14, b. New Abbey
Isabella Easton,grddaughter, 7, b. New Abbey
Mary Jamieson, grddau, 3, b. New Abbey
The Easton name again!
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IGI extracted record:
Marriage 20 June 1828, New Abbey- David Connel and Jane Lourie
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However:
IGI, extracted record:
birth - 6 August 1820 (bpt. 13th), New Abbey Margaret Connel.
Parents - David Connel and Agnes Ireland.
Agnes must have died :-\
Gadget
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IGI extracted -
Marriage, New Abbey 6 Dec 1815
David Connel and Agnes Ireland
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Reviewing the thread:
This looks like the family in 1861
King Street, Castle Douglas
869 ED 1 Household No. 26
John Williamson, 34, Horse Breaker, b. Tynron
Margaret, 36, b. New Abbey
Isabella, 17, b. New Abbey
John, 7, b. Castle Douglas
Thomas Easton, Grandson, 1, b. Castle Douglas
James Cornelia, 26,servant, b. Buittle
I'm thinking that Thomas Easton is probably the Thomas Williamson in the 1871.
Gadget
and:
1851
Ingliston, New Abbey
877 ED 2 Page 14
David Connal, 58, Tailor, b. Troqueer
Jane, 55, b. Keir, Dumfriesshire
Jane, dau, 14, b. New Abbey
Isabella Easton,grddaughter, 7, b. New Abbey
Mary Jamieson, grddau, 3, b. New Abbey
The Easton name again!
I'd put my money on Isabella, David's mother being the daughter of Margaret Connell(y) and an unknown Easton.
So what we have is Margaret Connell(y) b. 1820 or circa 1826 to David Connell and Agnes Ireland
Isabella b. to Margaret circa (as Easton but became Williamson when John and Margaret married)
David b. to Isabella 1868/9
It was quite common for children to take their father's name whether their parents were married or not - and to change that name if their mother took a new partner.
Gadget
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And, as promised, some more views of King Street:
(http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/1640/cdks02vg6.jpg)
(http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/9435/cdks03ps8.jpg)
(http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/1190/cdks04rp5.jpg)
By the way, they have a very good, but small, local studies library and the staff are very helpful :)
Regards
Gadget
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He's still in Staffordshire in 1901
60 Smithfield Chapel (?), Horninglow, Burton on Trent, Derby/Staffs
RG13/2646 Folio 83 Page 27
Boarding with William Proudman:
David Williamson, boarder, 32, Engineer (?), b. Scotland
Just had a look at this 1901 Burton census and can clear up the Smithfield Chapel? address. The first entry on the page is for the Smithfield Hotel, Derby Street, Horninglow. David Williamson is lodging at 60 Victoria Road.
Hope that has clarified it anyway.
Claire
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Thanks Claire - I read the -do- and checked the top of the page :)
I think that amccd seems to have the Burton end sorted though. It's the KKD family that is the real interest.
Gadget
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Hi again,
WOW, thank you for all this information, have just got in from work and have been trying to understand everything, its all fascinating stuff.
The photos are lovely, I would like to visit there. However as I now live in deepest west Cornwall and with the price of petrol these days!!!! i better start saving the pennies.
Thank you for all your hard researching, it is very much appreciated
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Just wanted to say that once again Gadget has pulled out all the stops! A great deal of help came to me too when I wanted to learn about my Williamsons from Galloway.
I WILL BUY YOUR BOOK! :-X :-X
Judy
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Thank you Judy :)
Sadly, the book's very boring and not at all about Galloway :(
It is about how to do research though :D
How's your research going?
Gadget
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Hi
Not completely on topic though. I have made a contact through "Genes........"!to a lady who is related to my gt grandmother Jane Williamson. It was her brother Robert Williamson born Stranraer 1865.
Do you think your Wilsons could have been Williamsons instead? Maybe someone tried to shorten the name?
Good luck anyway with your publication.
Judy
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Thanks, Judy :)
I only wish my Wilsons were Williamsons - I think I'd get further. I read some more about your Gypsy King this week :D
Gadget
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Not very helpful to the original post in this thread (sorry!), but a question about King Street. Does anybody know what hotels existed in King Street at the time of the 1841 census, and if they perhaps still exist? Sisters Marion McClune Douglas b. 1778 and Jane McClune Sloan b. 1765 were hotel keepers at that time. They are the daughters of James McClune and Marion Carson - my McClune family of Dunrod.
Scatza
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There are some trade directories for that time but I don't have access to them here. Maybe someone else has them.
Gadget
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Hello Scatza
Sorry I cannot help you on your query re King St Castle Douglas, however, I would give anything to know how your Coltarts are related to my Marshalls. Any offers? I have tried to follow the openings suggest by various contacts but have always drawn a blank.
Kind regards
Judy
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Hi Judy :)
I think I have missed something - please refresh my memory! I had to go back to my query about King Street hotels to check whether I had mistakenly typed Coltart instead of McClune, but no, I didn't (actually I did make a mistake; I meant to say 1851 census ::)). Perhaps you saw that Coltarts are also in my tree, but I wasn't aware that you are looking for a link between Coltarts and Marshalls? I have read some of your chat with Callywoods (my cousin in Gatehouse of Fleet), but can't remember if it included the latter? Perhaps you could start a new thread with your Coltart/Marshall puzzle? I love puzzles - so will look out for that and leave Castle Douglas for now :)
Scatza
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im looking for a david williamson born
1849 married to henrietta wilson have we a conection
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Hi Scatsa
Do you know the names of the children of Marion McClune and Robert Douglas? Working backwards, I've got as far as William Douglas (b 1806 d 1863) from my side and I think he may have been their son?
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Hi Sholto28,
Robert Douglas and Marion McClune did have a son William who was born in 1806 and died in 1863. He is mentioned on their MI in Kelton, which says he died 'at Largs'. I obtained his death certificate which confirms that Robert and Marion were his parents. The informant of his death was his widow Elizabeth.
Does this fit in with your ancester?
I am a descendant of Robert and Marion via their daughter Jane, and have more information on this family. If this is your William, please let me know and I'll be happy to share it with you.
Hi Scatza,
I'd be delighted if you know more about James McClune and Marion Carson, I think I've found the baptisms of their children, but nothing further back than that.
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Thanks for this! I'm still not sure. The dates fit in. I don't know who William married, only that he had a son, Robert, who married Jane Bulloch. They also had a son named Robert (my great-grandfather) and my grandfather's name was also Robert.
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Hi Sholto28,
Do you know where your Robert was born, or where and when he married Janet?
These records might give more clues to whether his father was the son of Robert and Marion.
The William, who was the son of Robert and Marion was an iron merchant who spent some time in Belfast. I obtained a copy of his will a while ago, but I don't think he mentioned any children in the will. This William was baptised in Kelton. I don't know when he was Belfast, but he was back in Scotland in 1861 and was living with his wife in Largs. He died at Largs in1863.
I'll double check the will to see if children are named.
Holkin
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Have just checked the 'will', it's an inventory rather than a will, hence there are no named beneficiaries. It does seem to suggest that he also had property in England, but no details. The combination of the language used and the handwriting makes it quite difficult to read.