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I am doing a single parish study of the genealogy of Cabrach which was split between Aberdeenshire and Banffshire. Anyone with links to this parish please get in touch (with requests or with information).
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I have a branch from Cabrach. Mine in Cabrach were Grant, Gordon, Kellas and a few others. My gg grandfather Peter Grant married Jane Gordon in Cabrach 1830. They came to Australia in 1839.
I'm just starting to look for the family members who stayed in Scotland.
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Peter Grant, along with his wife Jean Gordon and their four children, plus his cousin Margaret Souter and her husband James Grant left Plymouth, England on 17th December 1838 on the barque “The Alfred” and arrived in Australia on 16th January 1839. The 2 youngest died on the voyage, as well as Margaret and her newborn child.
Their ancestors as follows:
/John Grant
Robert Grant (b. 10 JUN 1770; d. 5 FEB 1848)
| \Isobel Grant
Peter Grant (b. 14 NOV 1807; d. 21 JUL 1868)
| | /Peter Gordon
| Janet Gordon (b. ABT 1780; d. 3 JUN 1858)
| \Elizabeth McKenzie
9 Grant children (b.1831-1849)
| /Paul Gordon (b. 1732; d. 1824)
Jean Gordon (b. 12 FEB 1808; d. 18 MAY 1892)
| /Alaster Kellas
| /Alexander Kellas (b. ABT 1707)
| John Kellas (b. 19 FEB 1727; d. 19 JAN 1791)
| | \Janet Fettas (b. ABT 1705)
Anna Kellas (b. ABT JAN 1765)
| /Charles Stewart
Margaret Stewart (b. 12 NOV 1727; d. 19 JAN 1785)
I'll get in touch off-topic and send you a list of a few thousand descendants, along with more details and sources for these ancestors.
We have common ancestors in John Kellas & Margaret Stewart.
Stuart
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Hi Stuart
I also have a link to Cabrach, Mary Kellas (my Greatx4 Grandmother) born 1788 in Cabrach, first married to William Robertson (my Family name), children Jean and James. I have no further information about the Kellas Family. I was lucky enough to find a distant relative in the US who had researched our family tree for the past 20 years. I would be interested in any information about Mary Kellas and her family.
Many thanks, Angela
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Hi Stuart
I also have a link to Cabrach, Mary Kellas (my Greatx4 Grandmother) born 1788 in Cabrach, first married to William Robertson (my Family name), children Jean and James. I have no further information about the Kellas Family. I was lucky enough to find a distant relative in the US who had researched our family tree for the past 20 years. I would be interested in any information about Mary Kellas and her family.
Many thanks, Angela
Mary Kellas 1788 is my 2nd cousin (5xremoved), which makes you my 5th? cousin.
A couple of days ago I put some of my Cabrach research onto my website at http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/stuartpetrie/
I'll get in touch off-site to give you a few thousand Kellas descendants.
Cheers, Stuart
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Hello Angela.
You must be related to me as well, however I have no idea what sort of cousin (?) you would be.......Stuart will know though, I'm sure.
I love this Cabrach research...it is so interesting to me.
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Wow
That is so amazing! So where in the world are you both? I am in Newcastle, England. I have family that have just moved to Aberdeenshire and am hoping to visit Cabrach when I next visit!
Angela
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Wow
That is so amazing! So where in the world are you both? I am in Newcastle, England. I have family that have just moved to Aberdeenshire and am hoping to visit Cabrach when I next visit!
Angela
If you're planning to visit the Cabrach, Aug 16th is the date of the annual church service at Upper Cabrach, and there should be a sprinkling of other Kellas descendants, and other genealogical tourists most of whom will be more or less related.
I'll be coming from Aberdeen.
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I'm in Brisbane Australia, so I won't be there, but it is the first place I will be going if I ever get overseas.
Stuart..................could I be very forward and ask if you get any photos, could you send me some. I can send my email address if you don't have it.
I'd love some pictures.
Thanks.
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Researching Cabrach to tie together the Scotts, Sheeds, Gordons, Sievewrights (glass), Smiths - Blackmiddens and Blackmiddens; Souters - Nether Howbog and Buck; Davidsons from Bogend, Blackhills, , Cabrach-Rhynie etc. Stuck on details re. recent connections with Gordons- Auchmair and Castleton of Kincardine, Fettercairn. Also Yeats and Emslies that went to Iowa, USA, and Stephens who were at Mortlach Manse in 1950's. etc. Busy stuffing my paf file.
Well I know I am related to everyone in and from the Cabrach, but where did the Scotts come from before 1670????
Michael
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Researching Cabrach to tie together the Scotts, Sheeds, Gordons, Sievewrights (glass), Smiths - Blackmiddens and Blackmiddens; Souters - Nether Howbog and Buck; Davidsons from Bogend, Blackhills, , Cabrach-Rhynie etc. Stuck on details re. recent connections with Gordons- Auchmair and Castleton of Kincardine, Fettercairn. Also Yeats and Emslies that went to Iowa, USA, and Stephens who were at Mortlach Manse in 1950's. etc. Busy stuffing my paf file.
Well I know I am related to everyone in and from the Cabrach, but where did the Scotts come from before 1670????
Michael
Hi Michael
If you look at my website at http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/stuartpetrie/ I have managed to put on, as a separate link, all the biographical notes associated with each individual in the database. Still missing is a proper record of sources and the notes asociated with them.
For the Souters you may want to look at the Diary of John T. Duncan on the website - his mother was Jean Souter b 1820 at Buck.
I do have some descendants for Peter Sieveright Scott & Jessie Stuart Smith of Blackmiddens, Rhynie - if you get in touch via the e-mail address on the website then I can send them to you.
Stuart
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Wow Stuart
Thanks very much for all of the information, very kind. I may well try to visit Cabrach 16th August for the Church Service. It's really strange, my Uncle (another Robertson) has just moved to Monquhitter, after living his whole life in Newcastle. Looks like he has moved not too far from his ancestoral home!! My Mum still has family that live in Aberdeen (Robertson's) but unfortuantely they have lost touch since their parents died, such a shame.
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Researching Cabrach to tie together the Scotts, Sheeds, Gordons, Sievewrights (glass), Smiths - Blackmiddens and Blackmiddens; Souters - Nether Howbog and Buck; Davidsons from Bogend, Blackhills, , Cabrach-Rhynie etc. Stuck on details re. recent connections with Gordons- Auchmair and Castleton of Kincardine, Fettercairn. Also Yeats and Emslies that went to Iowa, USA, and Stephens who were at Mortlach Manse in 1950's. etc. Busy stuffing my paf file.
Well I know I am related to everyone in and from the Cabrach, but where did the Scotts come from before 1670????
Michael
Hi, do you have a Sheed in your ancestry ? I grew up at Aldunie btw 8)
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Hi Stuart. I have just returned from a trip to Scotland which included Cabrach. I was researching my great grandparents, John Clark (DOB 25 Jan 1857, Buckstone, Kildrummy) and Annie Grant (DOB 28 May 1859, Cabrach). I paid a visit to the farm Upper Howbog, where they worked. The families were involved with the Dawsons, who were on the farm across and up the road a bit, Haddoch. Annie Grant (my great grandmother) also known as Ann Grant was the daughter of Alexander Grant and Barbara Dawson. She was known as Annie (Ann) Dawson Grant for a while as at first she lived with her mother on her grandfather Alexander Dawson's farm. Some time later Annie Grant and John Clark were married and lived together as a family, continuing to have more children. Annie's siblings were Jean, John, Alexander, Margaret, Jane and James. John Clark (my great grandfather) was also known as John Tough Clark as he was born illegitimately to John Clark (DOB 1832 or 1833 : no further information about this man) and Rachel Tough (born 1831). John Clark and Rachel Tough never lived together. John Tough Clark lived from birth to the age of 3 with his mother at his grandfather Alexander Tough's (DOB 1892, Alford) property. When John Tough Clark was 3 years old his mother Rachel Tough married another man, Robert Leslie McConnachy (DOB 1833 Rhynie).
John Tough Clark and Anne Grant had 7 children together: Rachel, John (aka Jack), Peter, Alexander, Margaret (my grandmother), David and John. Peter, Alexander and David all died in France during WWI.
What a remote (still no water or power) but beautiful place Upper Howbog and Cabrach are. I took lots of pics at Cabrach graveyard and many others. I will post these later as I process them. Paid a visit to the Church at Cabrach only to be dismayed that I was leaving 2 weeks before the Aug 16th annual service. I will be back in 2010 especially to attend that service as my Great Uncles are memorialised on the inner wall of the church as soldiers who fell in France during WWI - I could see it through the window. So close and yet so far!
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It was a beautiful day for the annual church service, about a hundred people turned up from far and wide, with a buffet at the Grouse Inn afterwards and lots of stories about old Cabrach characters.
My Cabrach Genealogy site at http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/stuartpetrie has just had a revamp - the notes and sources are much easier to read now and there are lots of new entries. I went to the registrars and got them to print off hundreds of birth, marriage and death certificates, apparently I created some sort of record.
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I've completed another update to the Cabrach database at http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/stuartpetrie/ having included all the available statutory births, marriages and death certificates plus some more info from the Kirk Session records.
If anyone has downloaded any 1911 census pages from the parish I would love to see them so I can do a full transcription to add to the 1841-1901 censuses downloadable from the web site (which has a "Contact Me" button).
Stuart
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Hello everyone.
I'm looking for an opinion regarding one of my ancestors. I am related to Peter Cow, (b. 14/07/1850), the illegitimate son of Elizabeth Cow (b. 11/04/1819). Peter is listed in the 1851 Census as Peter Robb, not Peter Cow as in subsequent census listings and official documents. There is no father listed on his birth certificate. His mother appears to have been a teacher at the time of his birth, later becoming a domestic servant in Huntly.
In a quest to find his father, I have found only one other man by the name of Robb in the 1851 census in Rhynie, a John Robb, tailor. Would it be possible for him to be the father of the baby?
Any comments would be gratefully received.
Many thanks. Valerie.
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Suggest you download the marriage Peter Cow to Helen Jessiman 13 Apr 1872 Huntly from Scotlandspeople. I think this is your Peter - resident at Dukewell, Drumblade in 1881, a farm servant with wife Helen, both age 30, he from Rhynie, she from Huntly. Children Mary, 9 b. Huntly, Maggie B.,4 b Rothiemay and William J. age 1 b. Cairnie.
The marriage cert should give the name and occupation of Peter's father.
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Hi Stuart
Thanks for your help and I did download the marriage certificate but only the mother is listed - no father I'm afraid. Any other suggestions as to how to solve this mystery?!
Thank you very much
Valerie
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The National Archives of Scotland has the Rhynie Kirk Session Records, available to view in Edinburgh or by Intranet at many local archive centres in Scotland, or later this year (I think) via Scotlandspeople.
Kirk Session records are great for identifying the parents of illegitimate children - there is usually a much fuller narrative than is present on the baptismal register. If Elizabeth Cow was "compeared" by the Session it is difficult to predict how long before or after the birth of her child this happened, but she would be put under considerable pressure to name the father.
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Thank you very much for this. It is a good excuse for a trip to Edinburgh!
Kind regards
Valerie
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I have Peter Grant and Jane Gordon in my family tree as they are my GG Grandparents came over to Australia with their family ! While coming over they lost their two children as well Peter’s cousin James Grant’s wife died as well ! Looking for more information on the Grant Families !
My Grandfather is James Edward Grant is the son of James Nation Grant and Mary Ann Fletcher Toohey And his Grandparents are John Charles Grant and Amelia Meppen or Meppem Nation Grant !
My Mother is a Grant Beverly Davis (Grant) My name is Leanne Gough (Davis)Lismore Australia (*)
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I am searching for Dawson from the cabrach, i found an earlier post about a grace grant and george dawson these are the ones that tie in with me. Stuarts talktalk website link does not work now how can i contact him?
Audrey Gammack, Aberlour