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I am trying to find the marriage of my 3x great grandfather and 3x great grandmother William Watkin/Watkins and Ann possible Hill. I have found two dates Apr 1821 or Apr 1831.
Can anyone help please
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a few more details would help .... ;)
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Sorry the dates I have are either 18 apr 1821 or 18 apr 1831 both in Newark
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.... and do you know of any children thay had who would be around in 1841 ?
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Yes there was 6 Children by 1841 including my 2x Great grandmother Mary born 1828 Brant Broughton, Lincolnshire
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so assuming Mary was baptised showing both their names, wouldnt that indicate the earlier marriage ?
unlikely not to have kids earlier tho ..... I cant see either marriage on FreeReg
assuming they were 'of full age' in 1821, how old are they in 1841 ?
HO107/615/27; Brant Broughton; District: 3; Folio: 12; Page: 18
I see that Ann is 30 - 34 and William 35 - 39
Mary shown as 11, so that would say to me that its the later marriage !! as Ann would have been a bit young in 1821 ?? so a bit unclear as to the baptism date pre dating the marriage :P
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They seem to have had kids bap at Brant Broughton 1827 to 1846 (IGI Batch C027221)
Where were they in 1851?
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I don't know were Ann was in 1851 but William died in Jan 1851, I have only got my 2x great grandmother Mary on the 1861 census and onwards once she got married
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so what did you think ? ::)
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so what did you think ? ::)
Me?
I was hoping to find Ann's birthplace and age.
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No, Anne63 - seemed to have missed my response ..... :P
shes twixt 30 and 34 so far ::)
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I don't know Newfster if they married in 1831 they had two children before they got married but there is a bit of age gap between Mary 1828 and her sister who was born in 1831, so I have come to think that William was married twice first time in 1821 to a Ann and she died sometime between 1829 and 1830 then her remarried to another Ann in 1831 and William did not give his true age on the census.
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certainly a possibility !
how about a Birth Cert of a post 1837 child to reveal her Maiden name ?
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It look like I will have to get one of her sister birth cert but that wont help to find out who Mary mum was tho if he did marry twice
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well, wouldnt logic say that post 1831 kids had the 2nd wife as Mum ? - so if the Birth Cert matches the 2nd marriage - you have a good possibility that Mary's mum was the 1st one you conjectured - or am I losing it ?
The 2 marriages - were the wives both named in full ?
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I don't know were Ann was in 1851 but William died in Jan 1851, I have only got my 2x great grandmother Mary on the 1861 census and onwards once she got married
Is it possible that this is your Mary, working as a servant in Balderton, Nottinghamshire (Ref H0107/2138, Folio 57, page 44).
Kath
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No Newfster I think I am the one losing it at the moment It looks like I am going to have to search to see if he did marry twice or not.
Kath that could be my Mary
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There is a death registration for a Ann Watkin in the same quarter (Jan-Mar 1851), as William Watkin, but a different registration district (Mansfield) - possibly your 3x g grandmother.
What was the name and year of birth of William and Ann's youngest child, will try and find them on the 1851.
Kath
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William and Ann Youngest will have to be Ann born 1839 Brant Broughton
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Ann is living with her Aunt Ann Webster, age 68, born in Tetford, Notts; they are living in Balderton. The ref is (H0107/2138, Folio 49, Page 28).
Will see what I can find, as her name is also Ann, she is possibly a sister of William :P
Kath
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What was the name and year of birth of William and Ann's youngest child, will try and find them on the 1851.
By my reckoning there was
1842 Susannah
1844 Elizabeth
1846 Francis (burial 1847 Frances age 1?)
all bap Brant Broughton, Batch C027221
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Geoffe
Elizabeth and Francis both die before 1851, Susannah 1842 I have not got one for that year, I all ready have two of that name first one born 1827 die 1828 second one born 1835, I will have to check that out
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Elizabeth and Francis both die before 1851, Susannah 1842 I have not got one for that year, I all ready have two of that name first one born 1827 die 1828 second one born 1835, I will have to check that out
The child bap in 1835 was Jemima (aged 5 in 1841). Now she was in Claypole in 1851 (WADKIN) ... her birthplace was given as Broughton which is a totally different place.
I suspect Will's mother was Susanna, as a Susannah WATKIN was buried at BB in 1848 aged 81. I can see no burial for Elizabeth
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Right have found Ann and daughter Susan on the 1851, there is also a daughter Jane; on the IGI there is her baptism in Brant Broughton, parents William Watkin and Susannah - ah could this be the mothers full name, that she shortened to Ann ???
Anyway here are the details:
Newark on Trent (HO107/2137, Folio 130, Page 19), transcribed on A******y as Walker
Francis Bennett, Head, Mar, 73, Weaver (Linen), Notts, Tuford
Martha " , Wife, Mar, 71 , Lincs
Ann Watkin, Widow, 46, Laundress , Notts, Newark
Susan " , Dau, 9 , Lincs, Broughton
Jane " , Dau, 2 , "
What a shame that census does not give the relationship between the Bennett's and Ann >:( Hope this all makes sense, as I am susposed to be getting ready to go out, so have rushed to get this info on here.
Kath
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Right have found Ann and daughter Susan on the 1851, there is also a daughter Jane; on the IGI there is her baptism in Brant Broughton, parents William Watkin and Susannah - ah could this be the mothers full name, that she shortened to Ann ???
Anyway here are the details:
Newark on Trent (HO107/2137, Folio 130, Page 19), transcribed on A******y as Walker
Francis Bennett, Head, Mar, 73, Weaver (Linen), Notts, Tuford
Martha " , Wife, Mar, 71 Epworth , Lincs
Ann Watkin, Widow, 46, Laundress , Notts, Newark
Susan " , Dau, 9 , Lincs, Broughton
Jane " , Dau, 2 , "
What a shame that census does not give the relationship between the Bennett's and Ann
Well done Kath! :)
It's looking like the mysterious Ann was
Ann BENNETT, bap Newark 16 March 1805, dau of Francis and Martha
We may be led towards this marriage-
2 July 1827 Nottingham, William WADKIN to Ann BENNETT, just a few months before the baptism of Susannah in Brant Broughton.
For what it's worth, I was never happy with the Ann HILL marriage.
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1861
Back Street, Brant Broughton
Ann WADKIN (wid) 56 her late Husband Agricultural Labourer, Newark
Jane 12 Brant Broughton
1871
Sutton's Row, Brant Broughton
Ann WADKIN 66 Late Ag Lab's wife, Newark
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Hats off to you chaps ! :D
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In an attempt to establish parentage of William and Ann, I will do some mental doodling ... WATKIN burials were not exactly plentiful at Brant Broughton in the period 1813-1860.
There was a George WATKIN buried in 1824 aged 19, so born around the same time as Will. The IGI gives his parents as Thomas and Susanna - perhaps Will was a brother. There was also a Mary bap 1798 (she married George DOUGHTY at BB in 1818).
Looking at the names of the kids of Wm and Ann
1827 Susannah (Will's mum) died 1828
1829 Mary (Will's sis)
1831 Martha (Ann's mum)
1833 George (Will's bro)
1835 Jemima
1837 Thomas (Will's dad) died 1851
1839 Ann (Will's wife)
1842 Susannah (Will's mum)
1844 Elizabeth
1847 Francis (Ann's dad) died 1848
1849 Jane
Mother Susannah was buried 1848 (81)
There was also a Charles buried aged 2 days in 1841 ... perhaps never baptised.
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A very big thank you to Newfster, Geoffe and Katherinem for all your help in finding William and Ann.
I agree with you Geoffe it looks more like Ann Bennett now then Ann Hill. At least it only one marriage and not two like I though it was.
Also thank you for the census info.
So I would just like to say a big THANK YOU to you all for the help in findinding them for me another brick wall knock down,
Thanks Geoffe, George could be William's brother have just found out that William was 49 when he die in 1851 so that makes him born between 1801- 1803.
Anne
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I can't see a suitable marriage for Thomas WADKIN and Susanna. The 1841 census suggests she wasn't born in Lincs.
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Hi Geoffe
Thank you for trying to find Thomas and Susannah marriage, I have found 6 possible but they are well out of the area. Will have to keep searching. Once again thank you for all the help.
Anne