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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: Tillymum on Wednesday 27 August 08 19:11 BST (UK)
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Hi, I am trying to find information about the Wilsons of Toronto. I believe the father of the bride to be the missing link in my family tree. I really dont know where to look for information as I have no dates for this marriage. All I know is that the marriage was reported in a newspaper and my grandmother had an old faded copy of this in the back of a photo album. My guess at dates is somewhere between 1920 and 1950. Not much help I know. I have attached a copy of the newspaper clipping. Any help on the Wilsons or anyone else mentioned would be appreciated.
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I did searches at the Toronto Star's "Pages of the Past" (http://pagesofthepast.ca/) and got a couple of promising hits:
- page 25 of May 27, 1950
- page 27 of Sept 2, 1950
If someone out there has a subscription, maybe they can chase these down for you.
mat
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Thanks matildakin, it was good of you to take the time to try to help. Lets hope someone out there has a subscription and can delve a bit further. Do you think I need to post a new message in look ups?
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No need to post a new message. I'm sure this thread will be reviewed. If no one steps up, I'll pop into the Central Reference Library and check out the Star on microfilm.
mat
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Can't help with the Toronto lookup but Troy, etc. are Coleraine names that I recognise and have seen in the local newspapers (unfortunately the only index for Coleraine Chronicle covers 1844-1869 only).
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Thanks again matildakin, its very good of you.
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Hello again aghadowey, nice to hear from you, thanks for taking an interest in this post, any help is especially appreciated, this branch of the family is proving to be quite difficult to track down, with not much information to hand I dont know where to look exactly.
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Are you also wanting to trace them in Coleraine area? If so send me a pm and will give you a few suggestions about getting information on them (especially the Troy family).
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Thanks aghadowey, can't tell you how grateful I am.
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I checked the 1950 Star at the library yesterday and unfortunately those two leads didn't pan out.
mat
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Ancestry has an Ontario marriage in 1912 for Hugh Wilson and Kathleen Troy so daughter born after that date (maybe someone with a subscription can check for more details on that entry).
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Didn't find Kathleen Troy in 1911 census but Hugh Wilson is there!
James Wilson (head), wife Margaret Wilson, brother-in-law William McKeag, brother Hugh Wilson.
See www.automatedgenealogy.com for full details (be sure to read scanned image as well as transcribed page).
Edited to correct census link
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Hello Aghadowey, thanks very much for all the information on the Troys, it will certainly give me something to work on over the next few weeks. Will do as you suggest and send a copy of the newspaper clipping to the Chronicle.
At the risk of sounding stupid- how can I read the scanned images of the 1911 census. I went to the site you suggested and just cannot seem to find where to read the images. I must be missing something somewhere or else I'm blind.Please can you point me in the right direction? Many thanks.
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Aghadowey, by the way, the Troy scavenger did give me a good laugh.
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Matildakin - thanks for trying, much appreciated.
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1911 census- at top of transcribed page there is a link split view. Click on that to see scanned image with full details. Hugh Wilson was a molder, Presbyterian, came to Canada in 1910, etc.
Aghadowey, by the way, the Troy scavenger did give me a good laugh.
He wasn't just a scavenger but the town scavenger according to the obituary. Didn't know there was such a thing!
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Aghadowey -HELP!!! I AM GOING MAD TRYING TO FIND HUGH WILSON IN THE CENSUS. THERE ARE SO MANY OF THEM - WHERE ARE YOU LOOKING EXACTLY. SORRY TO BE SUCH A PAIN (HAD A CRISES DAY AND BRAIN IS NOT FUNCTIONING PROPERLY)
AND NO, I DIDNT KNOW THERE WAS SUCH A THING AS A TOWN SCAVENGER EITHER!!!
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Sorry- should have given more information but thought you had found the transcribed page already.
Go to 1911 census. Click on Ontario. Put Wilson in search box then filter for all named Hugh. Your Hugh (age 25) is in Toronto West.
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Blimey aghadowey, I've found it. I can't believe it, its taken me nearly three years to track this lot down, I never would have been able to find out about them without your help. Thank you so very much. My theory is that James and Hugh could have been the children of my g.grandfathers first marriage. He was a widower when he married my g.grandmother in 1889. There just has to be a connection somewhere - it is such a coincidence that my grandfather and his brother Robert were both moulders at the foundry in Mountsandel Ave, and also that Hugh was a moulder in a foundry. I think the next thing to do is try to get a birth certificate for Hugh Wilson and see what that produces. Any advice or tips for which direction to go will be gladly received. I will keep you informed about the newspaper clipping. Thanks again. You're a star.
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Have sent you a couple of pms in the last hour or so but hope to have more for you tomorrow.
Meanwhile can you post a new request for someone to look up Hugh Wilson-Kathleen Troy 1912 marriage in Ontario in case if lists names of his parents? His father is a James Wilson but need mother's name (hopefully tonight)
Update: father JOHN WILSON
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Just wondered looking at marriage clipping again- think the way it's worded it might have come from the Coleraine Chronicle and not a Toronto newspaper.
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James D. Wilson married 1907 Co. Derry to Margret McKeag.
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Aghadowey - have posted new message requesting look up of marriage - fingers crossed - how did you find out Hugh Wilsons fathers name?
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John Wilson married Elizabeth Dysart (marriage below). Some children listed in IGI:
1. Martha Jane born 16 Nov.1868 Coleraine (submitted)
2. Mary Ann born 2 Jan.1870 Coleraine (submitted)
3. Martha Jane born 17 Aug.1872 Coleraine
4. Alexander born 25 My 1876 Co. Derry
5, John born 20 June 1878 Coleraine
Wonder if Hugh Wilson's brother James D. Wilson was James Dysart Wilson?
Coleraine Chronicle, 18 July 1868: At Terrace Row Presbyterian Church, Coleraine, by the Rev. J. Macdonnell, on the 13th inst., Mr. John Wilson, to Miss Elizabeth Dysart, both of Coleraine.
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Wilson, Long Commons- am posting this in case there's a connection later.
Coleraine Chronicle, 9 Nov.1867: At Long Commons, Coleraine, on the 4th inst., Minnie, youngest daughter of Mr. John Wilson, Coach builder, aged 2 years and 4 months.
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Blimey aghadowey - I keep saying Blimey out loud everytime I get a new message from you. You're like a walking ancestry knowledge box. Thanks aghadowey - I dont know what I'd have done without you. I'm now in danger of information overload, its so exciting, - my husband is threatening to divorce me if I dont get off the computer. Will speak again soon.
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Hi all
Haven't read the whole thread, but saw the Hugh Wilson - Kathleen Troy 1912 marriage and found this:
Hugh Wilson
Aged 26
Born about: 1886
Father's name: John Wilson
Mother's name: Lizzie Dysart
Spouse's name: Kathleen Troy
Age 26
Born about: 1886
Father's name: James Troy
Mother's name: Anne Selfridge
Marriage Date: 14/9/1912
Marriage Place: York
Marriage County: York (Ontario)
From Ontario,Canada Marriages 1857-1924
Hope that helps.
Regards
Gaie
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Gaie - thank you so much for taking the time and trouble to help. Its much appreciated. The family history is beginning to take shape and make sense.
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Ok, had a look at the image and the extra details are:
Husband (bachelor) & Wife (spinster) both lived in Toronto at the time of marriage, at least since 10th August 1912
Religion:
Husband: Presb
Wife: Presb
Rank or Profession:
Husband: Moulder
Wife: Collar Maker
Husband's father: Labourer
Wife's father: Compositor
Witnesses:
James Robinson, 361 Ossington Ave, Toronto
? Wilson, ?8? Westmoreland Avenue
Kind regards
Gaie
Added: No probs, it's what we do best :) :)
Duh, I see someone has already given you the main info on the other thread you posted, sorry!
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Hello Gaie, thanks for the info. It doesnt matter who finds it as long as it all makes sense and is what we are looking for. All I can say is Thank God for people like you who are willing to help others to find their past. I have had so much help from a couple of people on here,(and continue to get help) I never would have found anything without you all. Many thanks.
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Tillymum- things are now better and worse since I did some checking this morning. Will outline what I found briefly before I go out shortly.
John Wilson married 1868 Elizabeth Dysart. His father was Alexander Wilson! Lots of children:
1. Martha Jane (1868-from IGI-submitted)
2. Mary Anne born 2 Jan.1870
3. Martha Jane born 16 Sept.1872
4. Alexander (1876-from IGI)
5. Elizabeth born 25 May 1877
6. John born 26 June 1878
7. James born 11 May 1881 (James D. Wilson in 1911 Canadian census).
8. Hugh born 2 Mar.1886 (married Kathleen Troy)
James John Wilson married 1889 Elizabeth/Lizzie McNeill and had:
1. Martha born 12 Aug.1889
2. William Alexander born 12 July 1892
3. George born 8 Apr.1894
4. David born 13 Nov.1897
5. Daniel White born 15 June 1900
6. Robert born 25 June 1903 and his twin sister
7. Elizabeth born 25 June 1903
Suspect George (1894) was the one listed on Terrace Row Roll of Honour but not sure if all the details about him in Coleraine book are correct (think records of 2 different George Wilsons have gotten tangled up there)
1925- David Wilson, Garden Court, Portrush and Daniel Wilson, Woodbine Terrace, Coleraine.
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Hello aghadowey - I've been sitting here working out the ages of the children from the first marriage to see how old they were when John married Lizzie McNeill (my g.grandmother). My goodness didnt they have a lot of children. This is all beginning to make sense. I spoke to my mum this morning, she can only remember that there was a big family rift and something to do with Canada and that someone died in WW1. She said her father never spoke about family. The Canada connection is all falling into place as well. We are astounded to learn that my Grandad (David Wilson) had so many brothers and sisters that we knew nothing about. The only one I ever met was Danny and I was only 5 at the time so dont really remember him. (there must be a skeleton in the closet there with his name being Daniel White - mum said she remembered him being called Daniel White Wilson).I wonder what happened to all the step brothers and sisters. Think I'm gonna have to post a new message asking for descendants. You've been really busy on my behalf, thank you very much.
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Haven't finished digging up all the Wilsons yet. Daniel was Daniel White Wilson not Daniel White- only one of that family who is listed with a middle name.
Will try to sort out the problems with George Wilson later.
In view of you mother's comments about a family rift it explains what was (and wasn't) in the newspaper when Robert died in 1925.
If you send me a pm with your email address I'll send you the full details of what I found this morning.
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I have a copy of the marriage announcement in the "Toronto Star". If you would like me to email it to you, then send me a personal message with your email address. Please do not put your email on this page.
The paper is dated October 2nd, 1947
Janice
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Hi there , tring on here as well can we chat about Tillcocks ?
John
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Welcome to Rootschat, John, but who are you trying to contact?
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Hi there, i am trying to talk to Matildakin, she posted some info about my relatives and wondered if she had any more. All new to this and not sure if i am doing it right.
If she happens to come on would you be kind enough to ask her to send me a message, that would be great.
Oh and if anyone else has any info on Tillcocks that would be wonderful.
Thank you John
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You can send her a PM (personal message). If you go to one of her posts, click on the little green scroll under her user name on left side of post, write your message in the box that appears (add subject heading if you wish) and click 'send'. No one but the two of you will see the pm so you can send your email address, details of recent relatives, etc. safely.
There's someone on Rotschat looking for Tilcocks (think the spelling only has on l in it) also. If you go down to the bottom of the page and click link to surname interests table (SIT) you can search for the name and find out who it is.
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Hello: I'm from Canada, Toronto and have several lines of Wilson's in my family what I found interesting is that you mention a David White Wilson my GGGG-Grandfather George White married a Margaret Wilson and I found that often the surname of the mother is used as a middle name for the children so when I seen that name I wondered. My cousin sent me this post asking if I see a connection to my Wilson's I don't as of yet since I don't recall a Hugh Wilson.
George and Margaret's daughter Annie White my GGG-Grandmother married a Samuel Wilson so there is another line of Wilson which I'm starting to think might be connected to each other.
I don't see a connection to your Wilson but I do live in Toronto and work within five minutes of the Reference Library and always go there to check out the directories and newspapers and can look for you if you like. Also with my Toronto Public Library card I can search for free the Toronto Star and Toronto Globe archives for free.
If you see a connection I would be happy to share any info with you or would be happen to search if you need assistance I know how hard these Wilson's can be to track down.
Donna
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Hello Donna, thank you so much for the offer of look ups in Canada. I am looking for information regarding Mary Anna Wilson who married James Clare Johnstone of Lucknow Ontario. I would really like to trace any descendants. Any help is appreciated. I dont know why Uncle Danny was called Daniel White Wilson, he was the only one in the family who had this middle name. I cannot see a connection with your Wilsons, but am happy to investigate further. You never know.......
Regards....
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I found a James C. Johnstone who died the 3rd of Feb 1924 he was 87 years old so he would have been born around 1837 he was born in Scotland his birth date is show as Oct 9 . His parents are shown as George Johnstone and Jane Porteaus (mother’s surname is not clear I really can’t make it out). Both parents were born in Scotland.
When he died he lived on Augustus Street, no sure where that is I will have to check for you he worked as a Contractor, Building and Carpenter. He is Widow and his daughter Eva Johnstone was the informant she lived in Cornwall, Ontario so I’m guessing that is where Augustus Street is. He has been in Canada 70 years at the time of his Death so that would mean he came here about 1854 give or take. He died from old age and place of burial was Cornwall, Ontario so I would guess he is buried in a Cemetery there.
Does this sound like it could be him you didn’t show any approximate years of birth for them so I’m guessing this might be him. I’ve save the death certificate for you I can send it by e-mail if you like. I might be able to find more so I can send all that I find together.
Now we know he has at least one daughter Eva since she was shown on his death certificate.
Donna
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I also found a 1901 Canadian census showing a James Johnstone, wife Mary, daughter Eva and son Frederick.
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Hello Jeanieb, thank you so much for the information. I am afraid I really don't know very much about the Johnstone family. I only know that name through the newspaper clipping shown at the beginning of this thread. My side of the family are the Wilsons. Your last post sounds interesting though. I'd be very grateful if you could follow this lead if its not too much trouble. The only help I can give is that the Mary I am looking for was the daughter of Hugh Wilson and Kathleen Troy. They were married in 1912 Ontario.
If you can help with any other info that would be great. Thanks very much.