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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: nelwild on Thursday 28 August 08 12:24 BST (UK)
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i was wondering if anyone can help with some more of my ancestors,in particular frederick beaney b1847,faversham.i dont know if he had traveller connections as he seems settled on the census.hes on the 1851,with mary beaney,b1823,faversham,probably his mother.he doesnt appear on 1861,1871 or 1881,on 1891 hes in faversham,working as a brickmaker,married to susan b1847,sandwich,kent.their kids are fred,william,henry,benjamin,thomas,berty,and george.all born in faversham between 1876 and1890.on 1901,frederick has become ephraim j beaney and his wife has become susan,all children remain same except william whose working as a brickmaker in birchington.fredericks marriage entry shows he married a susan shaw in faversham in 1874.i also have connections in my tree to a large clan of beaneys from chilham/chartham/old wives lees,they too seem settled,on earlier census they are mostly dealers and general dealers,then a bit later are stock/cattle/pig dealers then on later census one is described as a farmer.the address of one on an early census is grass and thistle patch,now enclosed.if anyone can help with any of this,id be grateful,thanks.
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In 1881 hes Frederick with wife Susan, do you not have this?
RG11/969 Folio 93 Page 14
Regards
Cat :)
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Have this :
Ephraim Fredrick Beaney b 1847 -died 1907 Jul/Aug/Sept aged 60 Faversham Kent 2a 478
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cat and tiggi,thanks for replies,this helps a lot,i hadnt seen the 1881 entry,that also gives me his son ephraim f b1876,fav,the year he married susan,and emily b 1873,fav,fanny b1872,middlesex.i wonder if emily and fanny are from someone else?ephraim f(1876) was in london 1901,working as navvy,wife ellen perrior b1876,shephards bush,kids ephraim b1899,william b1900.on his marriage entry he is frederick ephraim,from this and ephraim snrs death certificate,they were clearly in the habit of swapping round their 1st and second names.thank you both for your help.have got to go out for a few hours,back later,nel.
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I found this : Mary Beany married 1842 Apri/May/June
Faversham Kent
either Henry Brambel or Thomas Dungate
something confusing me here we have 2 Fredrick Beaney both born 1847 Faversham Kent
but in 1891 Census
1 is with a Emma b 1847 Sandwich Kent
other is with Susan b 1849 Sandwich Kent both have similar kids too ?
how do they connect up ?
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I've found the one with wife Emma in 1891, I don't think there is another is there? :-\
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well is it same people do you think ? or 2 different couples
confusing me lol
Also just found this : could this be son Ephraim Fredrick Beaney going to USA ?
Ephram Fred Beaney aged 34 b 1876 living in London
sailed from Southampton to New York
Ship date 27th Jan 1910
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If the childrens names match up plus ages/birthplaces etc, I would guess they've just enumerated her wrongly.......or maybe she fancied a name change like husband Ephraim/Frederick! ::) ;D
I wondered if she was maybe Susannah Emma or vice versa, but can't find any evidence of that, here she is in 1851 HO107/1577 Folio 214 Page 4 with parents Peter and Anne + siblings and aunt Susannah Roberts, interesting that Peter is born East Indies
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Will have to wait until Nelwild comes back see if she has any birth certificates might clear up this mother's name could be she changed name I agree
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tiggi and cat,thanks for the research,im afraid i dont have any documentary evidence at the moment,just stuff ive found on census returns online over the past few hours.i had elizabeth mary,sometimes just mary,beaney b c1825 in my tree,she married my ancestor john coveney,but ive just discovered from another g u member that she was married before to a person unknown,so the marriage entry is intresting,though its possible mary was born as late as 1830,she married john around 1850.this g u member also gave me her son frederick b1847,fav.im pretty certain the ephraim beaney on 1901 is the frederick beaney on 1891,and that susan is the susan that frederick married,but was emma up to 1901.perhaps emma was her middle name.either way,i can find no record of an emma or susan shaw b sandwich or anywhere in kent on any census.the ephraim that went to america certainly sounds like him.i remember when i was looking at the beaneys from old wives lees,one of them was in england on one census,then 10 years later he was described as a naturalised american,but still in england,so he must have gone there and came back.imgoing to have another look at records then come back.regards and thanks again,nel.
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Did you not see my reference for the 1851 census for Susan/Susannah in Battersea? Her birthplace is transcribed as "Sandwick" on ancestry -
HO107/1577 Folio 214 Page 4
and in 1861 in Marylebone, with widowed mother Ann and brother Francis -
RG9/73 Folio 113 Page 21
Regards
Cat :)
ps. Peter and Ann in 1841 HO107/494/14 Folio 7 Page 6 (with aunt Susan Roberts although she a "FS" in 1841)
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cat,thanks for that,ive had a look at the 1841,cant make out peters occupation,looks like ind.i wonder if peter and ann married in that area of london,it would probably have been just after 1837 given her age.it would be intresting to know her maiden name,trouble is there are going to be hundreds of possible anns on record,it would take forever.looking at all this,its clear ephraim wasnt a traveller at that time,but whether he was ethnically romany is a different matter.the name changing is intresting,and his name,unusual first name and well known romany surname.also his occupation,many rom worked in kent brickfields through 1800s and settled round them,i have others in my tree.i shall keep digging,regards,nel.
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Possible marriage in 1840 Marylebone to Ann Jones or Ann Haines?? This was the most likely one I could find before 1841 in one of the areas that the family lived in during later censuses :-\
The births of their children (Laurence Peter, Emely, Louisa and Susannah) are in the indexes for Eastry district so you could get one of the birth certs to confirm mothers maiden name.
Regards
Cat :)
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cat,thanks for that,he appears to be the only peter shaw to marry in london in that time frame,the areas about right and the wife is ann haine.its a shame the marriage wasnt after 1841,then i might have been able to find something on her family.ill keep looking,nel.
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If you've Beaney's in your tree, its worth searching for Beeney's, Beney's, and Beeny's as well. That surname had so many variations!
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John COVENEY married Elizabeth Mary BEANEY 1852 in the Faversham RD http://freebmd.rootsweb.com
1861 - Faversham
John COVENEY head mar 32 lab b. Ospringe
Elizabeth wife 39 b.Faversham
Frederick son 13 b.Faversham
Emma dau 9 b.Faversham
Alfred son 6 b.Faversham
Mary Ann dau 2 b.Ospringe
Henry son 1 b.Ospringe
RG9/526 folio 191 page 19
I would suggest that 13 year old Frederick is the Frederick BEANEY you are missing in 1861
Mary Elizabeth BENEY baptised Faversham 1821 dau of William & Elizabeth http://www.familysearch.org - if this is her it doesn't look like there was any previous marriage as you menton above.
Casalguidi :)
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I have William J Beaney marrying Annie A Walkinshaw, 1927, West Ham, Essex.
Annie, I think, is Annie Amelia Walkinshaw, born c1902, Walthamstow, Essex, daughter of Annie nee Brown and George William Walkinshaw.
I have Annie Walkinshaw's ancestry back a few generations.