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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: seekingpauling on Saturday 06 September 08 10:20 BST (UK)
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hi can any one help with the following family surnames, anything would be greatfully appreciated
mcgarrell
wilson
trainor
trestrail
solomon
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Hi :)
What would you like to know about them? To find anything I would need some more information.
Evie
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hi Evie
i cant find anything on my maternal grandfathers side, Edward Wilson. all i no is that he had a brother Edmund.
my G was sent to sea at about age 12 as a cabin boy he was born 1870S
he was married twice, second time to my Nana Margaret Trainor, i think his first wife died. there were 2 sons from this marrage, teddy and bunty.
i believe the family were from cumbria, my mother grew up in gateshead, newcastle upon Tyne.
my great aunt may (maria) trainor had a baby girl who she gave up for adoption around the late 1930S-1945. babies first name Pauline, she kept in touch with the adopted family and even had a wedding photo, my aunt and the adoptive mother even took her to visit my Nana when she was about nine.
Pauline married a prison officer in the 1950S and emigrated to Canada where he worked in the prison service over there.
i only found out about her by accident from another aunt.
any help you could give me would be most appreciated
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Hi :)
This is a difficult one. I wonder if anyone else has any suggestions as to where to start looking.
There seems too many options on the census. We need to narrow down the age range.
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Was Edmund younger or older than Edward?
Do you know what year your Nana got married and how old they were at the time of marriage? It might say on the marriage certificate.
What year was Teddy (or was it Edward) and Bunty born? Is Bunty male?
Or is Bunty your Mum and if so is this her baptism name or a 'pet' name for something else?
I did find a Maria Trainor in the free BMD for gateshead, when was she born about?
If any of the latter are still alive you will have to PM me with the details.
Thanks
Evie
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Hi,
I can help with the Trestrail side of the family. Trestrail is a Cornish name. The Trestrail/ Mcgarrell connection comes from a marriage between Caroline Charlotte Trestrail ( born O-D 1882 Truro 5c140) & John H Mcgarrell (J-M 1914 Gateshead 10a 1559). Caroline's parents were Thomas G. Powning Trestrail & Matilda Goldsack who married J-S 1882 Redruth 5c360. They were in Gateshead for the 1891 Census. Thomas was born J-M 1861 Redruth 5c 307 (in Phillack (Hayle, Cornwall). I can provide further infomation, census, bdms, if interested.
Dave.
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hi dave this is very exciting.
caroline charlott trestrail was my grand mother. we dont no much about her family as she was jewish and my grandad was christian.
are you related ?
any information would be greatley appriciated
kathleen
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Hi Kathleen,
I bet that Caroline's mother ( Matilda Goldsack) was also Jewish!
There was only one other child born to Thomas & Matilda - William George- born O-D 1883 Gateshead 10a 882. I am missing Thomas from the 1881 Census so am wondering was he in Gateshead, returned to Cornwall to get married & the family moved up when he had settled?
William George married Susan Monkhouse J-S 1906 Gateshead 10a 1678. Their children were:
Margaret Isobel A-J 1908 Tynemouth 10b 341
Lottie J-S 1910 Tynemouth 10b 204
Wilhelmina Monkhouse A-J 1912 Gateshead 10a 2056
Susan A-J 1914 Southsheilds 10a 1976 Died O-D 1915 Gateshead 10a 1073
Marjorie Matilda J-M 1916 Gateshead 10a 1829
Susan (Monkhouse) died A-J 1916 Gateshead 10a 1077 age 30 & William George married Ada Barker J-S 1916 Gateshead 10a 1490a. A "George William" died J-S 1930 Croydon 2a323 aged 46.
Dave.
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hi
ive found them on the anstestry 1901 census, caroline charlott dob 1882 had a twin named george, (my dad was named after him he told me that there were twins in the family).
then on the geneaology durham 1891 transcript, i found thomas and matilda, children
caroline aged 8 No george, but william g.aged 7 ???? the residential adress is 33 cemetery rd gateshead
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hi evie, thank you for your intrest
1. Was Edmund younger or older than Edward?
A. i think edward was younger
2. Do you know what year your Nana got married and how old they were at the time of marriage? It might say on the marriage certificate.
A.no idea
3.What year was Teddy (or was it Edward) and Bunty born? Is Bunty male? A. teddy and bunty were my grandads sons from his 1st marriage, their mother died in childbirth, dont no when he married my nana.
4. I did find a Maria Trainor in the free BMD for gateshead, when was she born about?
A. she was born in 1914
5. If any of the latter are still alive you will have to PM me with the details.
A. they are all dead
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Hi Kathleen :)
Thanks for your reply to my questions, I will see what I can find.
Evie
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Hi
Still having trouble locating this family :( I'll keep looking.
Maria Trainor born 1914 Q2 Gateshead 10a 2082. Mother's maiden name Campbell. Would that fit?
Evie
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Hi Kathleen,
I think that William G & George are one & the same. Ages recorded in the Census are not always 100% accurate. Also in both the Census it shows that Caroline was born in St Agnes, Cornwall & William George was born in Gateshead, Durham.
I still haven't found Thomas in 1881 but found Matilda Goldsack living as a domestic servant to a Joseph Warburton, a Wesleyan Minister, & family in Chapel Rd, Phillack, Cornwall (RG11/2337 folio 62 page 49 ed3).
Matilda was born O-D 1858 Helston 5c 236. She was bapt at Mullion 29 Aug 1858 dau of Isaac & Elizabeth Goldsack. Isaac & Elizabeth had nine children bapt at Mullion between 1850 & 1863 (IGI).
He was a Coastguard & by 1871 had moved to St Agnes.
Dave
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hi Evie, yes her maiden name was campbell. she was brought up in an orphanage ? don't no which one, her mother Elizabeth died after her birth. she had a baby before she was married, David. but then i was told by my only surviving aunt (maria WAs my g aunt) that there was another illegitimate baby a girl this time after David. she was named Pauline, given up for adoption. Maria(may) kept in contact with this family the adopted parents came to visit my Nana with Pauline and aunt may on a couple of occasions from Kent to newcastle (long trip in those days). my Nana had her wedding photo, Pauline married a prison officer and emigrated to Canada in 1950, he worked in the prisons over there. may married a man called jack hunt and had 4 more children. apparently David doesn't no about Pauline, I'm trying to trace her before i tell him. the aunt who told me this wont say anything more, it was a big disgrace and doesn't want David to no as she said he was devastated when he found out he wasn't jacks son.
so i have no idea where to start, dint even no where she was born
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hi dave,
if they were baptised then they wouldnt be jewish.
my grandma charoline was i think late 20's when married. i wonder why? id love to be able to make contact with some one who new about her?
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Hi Kathleen,
I do not know anything about Jewish research & am only guessing that the "Goldsacks" are the Jewish connection. There are very few synagogues in Cornwall ( if any) & Mullion is miles from a sizable town so perhaps Isaac & Elizabeth had the children bapt first & then the children "converted" later in life? I haven't had time to find out more about Isaac & Elizabeth yet.
I am not related to this line of Trestrails but Caroline is on two family trees on www.genesreconnected.com so you might get joy there.
Dave
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Hi
My Mother In-law Norma Carbis is the daughter of Lottie Trestrail (m.Brookes) who came to Canada in 1924 at 13 years of age. She came by way of Dr Bernardo's Homes. Her younger sister Winifred Trestrail also arrived in Canada at the same time.
My mother inlaw says she believes that there is a child before Margaret named Dorothy. She is not sure who Wilhelmina is and thinks maybe it's Winifred.
Lottie did take a trip back to England for the first time in 1964 to visit her Aunt Lottie (charlotte)
Lottie married John Brookes and they had 3 children
Doug Brookes, Barbara Brookes (m. Hanna) , and Norma Brookes (m. Carbis)
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Marriage registered 1906 Sep ¼ Gateshead 10a 1678 George Trestrail and Susan Monkhouse
Using the surname and mother's maiden name from 1911 - 1920 births registered:
Wilhelmina M Trestrail 1912 Jun ¼ Gateshead 10a 2056
Susan Trestrail 1914 Sep ¼ South Shields 10a 1976
Then from 1906-1911 those born in 10a volume number area
Margaret Isabella Trestrail 1908 Jun ¼ Tynemouth 10b 341
Lottie Trestrail 1910 Sep ¼ Tynemouth 10b 204 (hard to tell if the middle number was a O or 6 but I think looks closer to a 0)
From the 1911 census index they were living in Ashington Northumberland at the time
Janis
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hi ;)
i have Solomon in my family tree they come from all over the durham area, who and what are you looking for.
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>>>>Wilhelmina M Trestrail 1912 Jun ¼ Gateshead 10a 2056<<<<<
2zpool: I have a question about this information? Where are you getting it from? Is it hand written information? Because Winifred was born in June and all documentation that we have has her name as Winifred or Winnie.
Thanks
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I got the information from the GRO index. You can look for free: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ The reference numbers are what are needed to order a birth certificate. You must spell the name how it is on the index or they will not consider it a match. I did not see any Winifred Trestrail with a mother's maiden name of Monkhouse. My guess is that Wilhelminia M. Trestrail's middle name is Monkhouse. You can look at the original entry from that website. There was a Winifred Trestrail registered in 1908 in Redruth (Cornwall.)
The June quarter does not mean she was born in June--only that the birth was registered in the June quarter. Covering births from April-June or could be ones born in March or late Feb as the quarter goes by the registration date and not the actual event. I think they were given about 6 weeks to register an event without paying a penalty fee. This is just in formation on how it works. If she had a birth in June then it also fits. However if she had a birth in June that was not registered until July then the registration would say Sept quarter.
You may have assumed her name was Winifred because Winnie makes more sense as a shortened name--better than Willie.
Sorry I am a bit windy today.
Janis
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hi sharonae
do you no why they ended up in a dr barnardos home?
her aunty lottie was my grandmother, my dad was george mcgarrell
kathleen
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hi leka
im looking for any info on my fathers side of the family, trestrail, solomon and goldsack.
kathleen
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Hi. I'm a Trestrail and there is a link between my great grandfather's children, and one of them, Thomas Trestrail marrying a Goldsack I'm just getting started with my lineage, don't know anything directly about my great grandparents, but do have this link in my family tree.
Linda Trestrail
New York
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hi linda
yes i am thomas trestail and matilda goldsacks great grand daughter.
my grandmother caroline charlotte (lottie) trestrail was a twin, his name was george wiliam. he married a lady susan monkhouse who died in childbirth, 2 of there children emigrated to canada.
my father was the son of caroline and john henry mcgarrell.
which one are you decended from?, let me know if i can help with any info
kathleen
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Hi Kathleen,
So nice to meet you. There's lots more Trestrail lines than I ever imaged.
Going back to late 1700's, John Trestrail (1784 - 1824) married Elizabeth Hosking (1792 - 1850) and they had 6 children: William (1818 - 1904); John (b. 1811); Richard (b. 1812); Elizabeth (b. 1815); James (b. 1820); & Thomas (b. 1823).
William Trestrail married Eliza Powning and they had 5 children: Eliza Emily (Minnie) (b. 1866); Elizabeth Ann (b. 1849); Mary Jane (b. 1844); Charotte Powning (b. 1855); and Thomas G. Powning (b. 1861).
Eliza Emily (Minnie) Trestail was (I believe) my great grandmother - no record of a grandfather, yet. The census states she lived at home with her parents, William & Eliza Trestrail & so did a grandson, Percival Powning Trestrail - that is my grandfather. I need to get a copy of my grandfather, Percival Powning Trestrail's birth certificate - (1885 - 1968). Percival spent his childhood ages of 5 - 15 with his grandparents and went into the British navy as a teenager - he told us at age 14 he was in the military.
Thomas Trestrail (b. 1823) would have been my grandfather's great uncle or my great great uncle.
I have been told that there are 3 lines of Trestrails that came from Redruth.
Originally, Trestrail means homestead of mat or carpet maker. Place name Trestrail, Probus, spelt Trestrael 1278
Are we connected to John Trestrail and Elizabeth Hosking?
Linda
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yes linda, we are related through john and elizabeth, they would be my gggggrand parents
so are you decended from george wiliam trestrail, my grand mothers twin? whos daughters emigrated to canada in 1924 names lottie and winny
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Hi Kathleen,
So nice to speak with you. I'm writing down on my printed family tree copy of:
The 6 DESCENDANTS OF JOHN TRESTRAIL 1784 - 1824 and Elizabeth Hosking 1792 - 1850
Their 4th child, Willliam Trestrail, (son), born 1818 - 1904 and his wife, Eliza Powning, had 5 children. Their 4th son, Thomas G. Powning Trestrail born 1861 in Phillack, Hayle, married Matilda Goldsack in 1882. They had 2 children, a son and daughter.
I have penciled in what you have posted. I'm a bit confused as to whether or not William George (son) born in Gateshead, Durham, could be the twin of Caroline Charlotte (daughter) born in 1882 St. Agnes, Cornwall. There are two birthplaces very far from one another.
Going back to my roots, William and Eliza Powning had 5 children: Elizabeth Ann Trestrail born 1849, Mary Jane Trestrail born 1844, Charlotte Powning Trestrail born 1855, Thomas G. Powning born 1861, and Eliza Emily (Minnie) born 1866. One of these children is my grandfather, Percival Powning Trestrail's parent. On the census, I only have William and Eliza as his grandparents. I'm sure Eliza Emily (Minnie) born 1866, was his mother, but no record of his father.
Thomas Powning Trestrail and Matilda Goldsack would have been my grandfather, Percival Powning Trestrail's aunt and uncle. Both my grandfather and Thomas Powning were born in Phillack, Hayle.
I need to put all this down on my Family Tree Maker and see how it considers us related. I'm still trying to get Family Tree Maker to allow me to interface with Ancestry.com.
Linda Joan Trestrail Wilson McParland
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Hi,
I am new to this site and came about it completely by accident, when i saw the name Trestrail mentioned while surfing.
My grandmother was Dorothy Trestrail who married William Wilson in Gateshead sometime around the 1920s.
I have never done any kind of genealogy research before but i am starting to become quite fascinated by it all.
Ian Wilson
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Hi Ian,
Wow, my name is Linda Wilson McParland!!! (nee Trestrail). You will love this site. The people are friendly and so helpful, and I've become friends with a Trestrail who has devoted many years to tracing the Trestrail name. I have relatives who moved from Hayle to Gateshead and I believe that Dorothy is in my family. I am getting ready to have a new computer put in place of this one and my son needs to get in here to work. It's my birthday and we are going out later with my drum circle friends. I will be more than happy to assist you tomorrow.
This is addictive and fascinating work & I believe it is a way of honoring our family by finding them and remembering who they are and where we've come from.
Welcome to the wonderful world of tracing our roots.
Linda
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hi ian
my grandma was carolyine charlotte testrail , her twins name was william george trestrail. my grandma married john henry mcgarrell, my father george mcgarrell married a wilson, my dads family lived in lowfell gateshead, my mams family, wilsons lived in gateshead
i had a great aunt dorothy, i remember her i lived in gateshead untill 1968 when we emigrated to australia.
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Hi Linda, Hi kathleen,
William and Dorothy had 12 children:
Peggy (Margaret)
Billy (my dad)
Iris
Robert
Dorothy
John Brian
Lottie (Charlotte)
George
Danny
Allen
Freddy
Lilly.
Peggy married Norman Wharrier and is no longer with us and niether is Robert (who outlived his own son Robert, very sad) and George.
Lilly the youngest married William Stagg.
Thats about all i know off the top of my head, apart from they all lived at Hendon Rd, Deckham Gateshead at one time.
Robert also had a daughter, Linda Wilson who married a welshman but i cant remember his name.
I also remember going to visit one of my grans sisters back in 1973-4 who lived in Worcester, i think but am not sure that she was always called Aunty Lottie by all.
Ian.
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Hi every one, my name is William Stagg, I am the second child of Lily Wilson and William Stagg. I am new to all of this, but I am very interested in my family tree. My uncle Robert who passed away 3 years ago attempted our family tree but I'm not sure how far he got. I have made some inquiries with his daughter so hopefully I will be able to post some of his findings on here soon.
William.
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Hi cousin William :)
Ian.
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Hi Ian
Nice to hear from you, I have contacted our cousin Linda enquiring about uncle Roberts attempt at our family tree, she is going to look into it for me. It's amazing how large our family is, I am meeting up with one of our Canadian cousins tomorrow. Keenan Brookes is over on holiday with his girlfriend, he is your dads auntie Lottie's great grandson.
Keep in touch, take care and best regards to your dad.
William.
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Hi William,
i saw a copy of uncle Roberts family tree on one of the occaisions when he visited my dad, that was several years ago and to be totally honest i was not very interested.
Its amazing how over the years you can become more curious and want to find out more especially on grans side.
What kindled my interest was talking to a guy on one of the shooting forums who comes from the mining areas of Montana, about the migration of cornish miners in the 19th century and his memory of the mention of the name Trestrail.
I have not been very successful about finding anything more about this maybe you will have more success.
Enjoy your meeting with Keenan i bet you will have a lot to talk about.
Ian.
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hi William (cuz)
my name i s Kathleen, my connection is i am the granddaughter of Caroline Charlotte tr estrail, her 2 nieces emigrated to Canada , Winny and lottie, id love to make contact with there decedents, if you could ask them if they would like to id be most grateful, my father was her youngest son George, named after her twin George ( or William George on some sites), my grandfathers name was John Henry Mcgarrell.
look forward to hearing from you
Kathleen
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Hi Kathleen, nice to hear from you.
I will indeed ask the Brookes family in Canada if they would like to converse with you.
George William Trestrail is my great grandfather, his daughter Dorothy is my grandmother but she sadly passed away when I was only 2 years old in 1973. The names William and George have been passed down through many generations, I have an uncle and cousin both named George.
I visited Lottie and family in Canada back in 1991, I stayed in her sons Douglas place just north of Toronto in a village called Kettleby, Lottie was a lovely lady, she died about 6 years ago.
The majority of my family all still live in the Gateshead area where my grandparents lived.
There are only 7 surviving out of the 13 children that my grandparents had,
Billy
Danny
Fred
John
Dorothy
Lottie
Lily (my mother).
I'm hoping that my cousin Linda will be able to locate her dads copy of our family tree because this is quite fascinating.
Take care,
William.
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hi William
i remember my aunt Dorothy, but i was 11 when we emigrated to Australia in 1968, my grandmother live in leam lane estate.we lived in lobley hill.
grandma had Matilda (after her mother), thomas, James(jimmy) Danny, George (my dad)they are all dead now.
i have a cutting from the newspaper from when she turned 90 mentioning her 2 nieces in Canada.
i have a lot of info on the trestrails if you want it Linda also sent me the family tree.
I'm in touch with my cousin tom i can put you in contact with him if you want, also other grandchildren of lottie ( Caroline Charlotte).
do you no why Winny and lottie were sent to Canada after there mother died.
Kathleen
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Hi I know this is an old thread but hopefully I can make contact.
My mum was Marjorie Matilda Trestrai. Seems to be lots on here about her sisters Lottie and Winnie (in Canada) Isabelle (Worcester) and Dorothy (Gateshead).
I have dipped in to this before, (about 15 years ago) and
spoke with a cousin through her dad's 2nd marriage (which I think may have taken place before her mum died. She had lots of info, but sadly I lost her details.
I'd just be interested to know about the family.
I always called my aunt Dorothy Nana Dot.
I recall my aunt Lottie visiting..even that she came in to Prestwich airport. Her husband (uncle Jack??) was lots of fun.
I only visited Aunt Winnie once. Her husband was just lovely and I'm sure he visited us without her!
My mum may well have been the proverbial black sheep.
She had me later in life and I was only 22 when she died
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