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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (East Riding & York) => Topic started by: acarragon on Friday 19 September 08 18:00 BST (UK)
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Hi, does any one know if this area/road/lane still exists today? if not does any one know what happened to it? when? why? where did the people go to? Also looking for any information on Thomas Bailey married to Isabella/ella Cathcart, their children Hilda, Rita, Frank and Ella.
The address on Hildas BC sates address No5 Hangers row, west carr lane Sculcoates hull.
Also if you lived oin this area, where would you be buried?
thanks for any info.
my email addy is acarragon at hotmail dot co dot uk. thanks
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Hi acarragon,
welcome to Rootschat :)
Carr Lane still exists, it's near the Railway station and docks in Hull
If you zoom in on this map and from the flag no.2 follow down Beverley Road (green) down Ferensway to where it meets Anlaby Road (orange) - Carr Lane (white) follows on from Anlaby Rd.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/showmap?GR=TA092305,T=PP
other information on Sculcoates, churches etc here:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ERY/Sculcoates/index.html
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=66795
What information do you already have about your Bailey/Cathcart family and what would you like to know, can you give dates etc?
Kind regards,
Barbara
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Hi acarragon
Is it Carr Lane or West Carr Lane? They both still exist but are in different parts of the city, both can be found using www.streetmap.co.uk
Bee
:)
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gosh how exciting, its my birthday this week so tonight were all celebrating! but as soon as this finishes i will upload as much info as i have on the family.and see what can be made of it. does any one knows why it was called Hangers row??or is it self explanitory!?!?
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Is it Carr Lane or West Carr Lane? They both still exist but are in different parts of the city
Sorry, missed the West bit, ::) West Carr Lane is in Southcoats, Carr Lane in Sculcoates
West Carr Lane can still can be found on the map ref I gave, just a bit northeast of the flags, running off Stoneferry Road http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/showmap?GR=TA092305,T=PP
Happy birthday, enjoy your celebrations!
Barbara :)
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1901 census:
RG13/4467 fol. p.24
No.5 Hangers Row, West Carr Rd, Stoneferry, Hull
BAILEY
Tom head m 49 Labourer Paint & Colour Works b.Cottingham
Amy wife m 47 b.Beverley
Percey son s 27 Lab. Paint & Col. Works "
Florence dau s 24 Costume Hand b. Leeds
Frank son s 16 Lab. Paint & Col. Works "
Amy dau 13 "
If this is your Bailey family, would you like any earlier census details for them?
living 2 households down the page in Rivers Lea, West Carr Rd, Stoneferry is the family of Edward Hanger, Paint and Colour Manufacturer, so that maybe explains the name!
Barbara :)
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possible death registration for Tom:
Tom Bailey 1921 Dec Quarter Sculcoates 9d 139 age at death 69
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lol yes thats them, i really want to know about thomas aand amy the heads of the family as i can get to here then nothing. thats interesting about the hanger man a few doors away. i had visions of it being a place where people were hanged!
i know that percy went to war and then came through it a little affected but not sure what happened to him, florence was a costume hand and i think died at 21 ish so i have been told but not sure 100\% that is why i would like to know where she would be buried if its near the house or local church to them. also i live in wales so its hard to get the chance to visit and look around for myself.
i come down francis or franks line. he marries a isabella cathcart and they have a daughter (amongst thers ) called hilda who marries sam they have muriel and muriel has me!
your so good at this!
i have another family member called Robina Adams who probably lived and died in Belfast if you can trace her, it would be a challenge as i dont think they registered themselves any place! when she died in 1999 she still had no electric in her house and there was gas fittings for the lights! she used to cook goose and duck on her open fire! lol the things you remember!
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ooh i just saw COTTINGHAM was that or is that aplace??
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Hi,
looking for any information on Thomas Bailey married to Isabella/ella Cathcart
So it was Frank who married Isabella Cathcart, not Thomas! Glad I got the right family for you. I'll give you all the census information
Cottingham is a place about 4 miles from Sculcoates
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ERY/Cottingham/
As to the Irish Robina Adams, you'll need to post a separate query on the Irish look-up board for her
More soon, Barbara
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1891 census RG12/3708 Folio 8 Page 10
79 Portland Crescent, Leeds, Yorkshire
BAILEY
Tom head m 37 Draysman b. Birchburton (don't know this place)
Amy wife m 36 b. Yorks Beverley
Percy son 16 Clothiers Warehouseman b. Yorks Beverley
Florence dau 14 b. Yorks Leeds
Francis son 6 Scholar "
Amy dau 3 " "
William Middleton boarder s 23 Draysman b. Yorks North Cave
a surprise, in 1881 they're listed with surname GREEN, probably a mistake on the census
1881 census 1881RG11/4531 Folio 97 Page 13
73 Angel Street, Leeds, Yorkshire
GREEN
Tom head m 28 Surry Man (Carter)
Amy wife m 27
Pearcy son 6 Scholar
Florence dau 4 "
all stated to be born Beverley
marriage from freebmd:
Tom BAILEY to Amy GRAY
March Quarter 1875 Bramley 9b 470
listed on the Yorkshire BMD website:
marriage 1875 BAILEY Tom to GRAY Amy St John The Baptist, New Wortley Leeds
Barbara
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florence was a costume hand and i think died at 21 ish so i have been told but not sure 100\% that is why i would like to know where she would be buried if its near the house or local church to them.
Florence was on the 1901 census, so think this must be her death:
Jun 1902 Bailey Florence Camilla aged 25 Sculcoates 9d 79
Barbara
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wow... thats so interesting, i neer knewv the mothers name was grey.
thts defo florence. my grandmother always said her mothers name was Camilla a and that she was french but i have since found out that that was just the ramblings of a mad woman!
it is interesting that camilla does appear in the family tree but in a nother branch like this.
how would i go about getting her death cert or finding out where florence is buried?
your great!
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Hi there,
been out all afternoon. You can either order certs online from the GRO site giving the reference numbers I gave you:
www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
or you can order direct from the local register office, in this case use the Yorkshirebmd site as Florence is listed there http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk - do a search for her and up comes the reference, click on it and up comes a printed form with the details for you to print off and send to Hull Register Office. You can also order Tom & Amy's 1875 marriage cert this way as it's listed there too, andso is Tom's death: BAILEY Tom aged 69 Southcoates Hull
The marriage cert would give you both their fathers' names and occupations to help in getting further back.
Here's the link to the Hull City Council site http://www.hullcc.gov.uk/portal/page?_pageid=221,442595&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL
once you have death dates, if you contact them they may be able to tell you where they are buried.
Hope this helps,
Barbara :)
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1891 census RG12/3708 Folio 8 Page 10
79 Portland Crescent, Leeds, Yorkshire
BAILEY
Tom head m 37 Draysman b. Birchburton (don't know this place)
Though it's clearly 'Birchburton' on the census image, I think that should be Bishop Burton which is a village close to Beverley which is his birthplace on the 1881 census.
Bee
aka Barbara :)
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Hi Bee Barbara :)
Didn't think of Bishop Burton, good thinking.
Wonder why he says Cottingham on the 1901 census ???
Maybe another mistake, as with the Green surname on 1881 census
acarragon, if you get Tom & Amy's marriage cert, then will try to find them in earlier census
Barbara
:)
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lol thats great i was told that years ago but had forgotten, as a result of your fab investigation yesterday I have since found a whole new generation of people going back to 1823 and spoke to a cousin i never knew i had and were meeting up in October! lol
its such an interesting topic, my next thing is to arrange a trip to Yorkshire and have a nose about! ;D
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Sorry to crash in on your Bailey 'party', but I too am searching for info on the family of another Thomas Bailey(of Liverpool)my great grandfathers brother, who married a Sarah Jane Moody in about 1860 in Hull (Sculcoates). I started tracking him a few years back, but sadly after the death of my partner Katy, I mislaid all my notes in a house move.Thomas & Jane, I discovered, had at least 2 sons who became involved in the Joinery / Decorating trades.The address 'Picturesque Terrace' comes to mind as the address of one of them in about 1891/1901. Currently, I am the only male Bailey-survivor of a long line and I have no children Therefore any male children emanating from the Bailey's of Sculcoates and their descendants will at least secure my Bailey line of DNA!! Any offers of assistance would be greatly appreciated....but hurry! I'm 65...... and my Dad is 95!
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Hi Baileyboy and welcome to Rootschat...as this is an old posting...I suggest you start a new topic with names and dates of birth of your relatives and your query and we will take it from there. I know of at least one Picturesque Terrace which was down Manchester Street off Hessle Road.
Carol
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Many thanks to acarragon & treetotal for your replies to my posts.
Looking at the posts above I feel that 'MY' Thomas Bailey, was unfortunately not related, as he is first discovered married with Sarah Jane Moody, living in Sculcotes in the 1861 census and gives his birthplace as Liverpool.
After checking every Thomas Bailey born in the 1840's in the UK censii, and every 'early' death of the same name, there was little doubt that the 'Thos Bailey' in Sculcoates I discovered, was the man. His Father, (an Irishman, also Thos) & Mother (marr: L/pool 1837), brothers and sisters, continued to live in Liverpool/W.Lancs which is where my own father is from. One brother (Samuel) married but had no children, I am therefore from the other bros (George)line.
Just how Thomas left L/pool forever at age 20 to be married on the East Coast(Hull) of the UK will possibly remain a mystery forever. I appreciate that they are both seaports but his trade seems to have been in the railway 'engineering' sector.
Maybe I will start a new thread on this one, but first I'll have to renew my subs to a census search site to re-establish my notes...I've not even seen the 1911 census yet!
Regards and sincere thanks.
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., but first I'll have to renew my subs to a census search site to re-establish my notes...I've not even seen the 1911 census yet!
Hi
If you are in England, then a lot of libraries have Ancestry on their computers for public use
Bee
:)