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Could someone please help me to find Theophilus John Bailey COLES in various censuses?
He was born in Salisbury, Wiltshire in 1824 to John Bailey COLES and his wife Sarah (nee ATKINS). I have no idea if they had other children as well.
He married Lucy EBSWORTH in Hendon (near London) in the June Quarter of 1851, so that may be where he is in the 1851 Census. It looks as if he and Lucy are in Somerset in 1861; and in 1871 he is Theophilus Bailey COLES, also with Lucy. By 1881 he is living in Evercreech, still shown as married, and Lucy is in Weston super Mare with two of their children: Octavius and Harry.
Can anyone help me to find this person in these various censuses? I would really appreciate the help.
Many thanks
Philip Candy
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Hi Phil,
Here isthe 1841 entry
HO107/1177/9 Folio 5 Page 5
Rye Hill
Hill Deverill
Warminster
COLES Martha 50 N Ind
COLES Martha 20 N
COLES Emily 18 N
COLES Theophilus 16 Y
BUTCHER Elizabeth 30 Y FS
LAMPARD Jane 15 Y FS
Is this the martha for your other request?
Cheers Kris :D
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Hi Kris
I reckon this is the same family. Martha was born about 1787 so rounding to 1790 makes sense, and the location - Hill Deverill looks right, too.
So this entry gives me (what I assume are) two extra sisters - Emily and Martha.
Thanks a lot for this breakthrough.
Phil
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1861 census
RG09/1659 Folio 72 Page 3
Chesterblade
Shepton Mallett
COLES Theophillus Head 36 Mar b Salisbury Landed Proprietor
COLES Lucy Wife 36 Mar b Colman H London
COLES Alice Dau 7 b Northaw Herts Scholar
COLES Ellen Dau 5 b Chesterblade Scholar
COLES Emily Dau 5 b Chesterblade Scholar
COLES Fanny Dau 4 b Chesterblade Scholar
COLES Frederic Son 2 b Chesterdblade
COLES Charles Son 1 b Chesterblade
MILLER Maria Governess b Clerkewnwell London Teacher
CLINNICK Ann Servant b 19 b Stratton Gen Serv
MARCH Jesse Servant 16 b Stratton on trhe Foss Servant
Cheers Kris :D
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This is clearly him with his burgeoning family. No brothers and sisters but plenty of kids!!
Many thanks for this.
Phil
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Hi Phil,
Here isthe 1841 entry
HO107/1177/9 Folio 5 Page 5
Rye Hill
Hill Deverill
Warminster
COLES Martha 50 N Ind
COLES Martha 20 N
COLES Emily 18 N
COLES Theophilus 16 Y
BUTCHER Elizabeth 30 Y FS
LAMPARD Jane 15 Y FS
Is this the martha for your other request?
Cheers Kris :D
Kris
This has proved to be really helpful. Martha was also called Martha Bailey COLES - like her Aunt - and it turns out she married in 1847 and had quite a large family. So that has added some more depth to this family.
Thanks --- Phil
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Glad to help Phil ;D
Here they are in 1871
RG10/2440 Folio 74 Page 11
Small Down Farm
St Peter Evercreech
COLES Theophilus Bailey Head 46 Mar b Salisbury Farmer 56 acres employ 1 man and 1 boy
COLES Lucy Wife 46 mar b Finsbury Middlesex Farmers Wife
COLES Frederick Son 12 b Evercreech Scholar
COLES Charles Son 11 b Evercreech Scholar
COLES Octavius Son 9 b Evercreech Scholar
COLES Harry Son 4 b Evercreech Scholar
COLES Alice Dau 17 Unm b Northaw Herts
COLES Fanny Dau 14 b Evercreech Scholar
COLES Edith Dau 7 b Evercreech Scholar
COLES Annie Dau 5 b Evercreech Scholar
CHAMBERS Elizabeth Mary Servant 27 Unm b Betcombe Gen Serv
Cheers Kris :D
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Many thanks Kris. That ties up this family pretty neatly, and helped me to fill in some important gaps.
I now have the marriage of Theophilus's sister Mary Bailey COLES who married William Browne CANNING in 1847 and had quite a few children.
BUT I don't yet have a marriage for his sister Emily, and we still haven't been able to locate his Aunt - Martha Bailey COLES (senior) between her appearance in Hill Deverill in 1841 and her death in 1868 in Maiden Bradley.
Any inspirations?
Kind regards
Phil
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Phil
I guess you have seen the children's baptisms on the IGI.
There appears to be another daughter Lucy born 1852, who is not on the 1861 census.
Ian C
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1851 census....He wasn't easy to find ::)
HO107/1712 Folio 36 Page 19
Coles (Dale) ?
Northaw
Hertfordshire
COLES Theophilus Head 26 Unm b Salisbury Wiltshire Farmer 239 Acres employ 7 Labs
RICHES Maria 23 Unm b Molash Norfolk House Servant
ALLEN Thomas Servant 33 Widow b Hingham Norfolk Ag Lab
ROBERTS George Servant 34 Unm b Northew Ag Lab
1851 census was 30 Mar so a couple of months prior to marriage
They were married on the 4th of June
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A/records.aspx?cat=168-ddwoa&cid=-1&Gsm=2008-06-18
Other intereting documents besides the marriage here.
No idea where Lucy may be. I cannot see her in 1841 or 1851. Do you have anything on her parents? I cannot see any person with the name Ebsworth or anything like it in any parish which comes under Hendon district in 1851.
Cheers Kris :D
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1851 census....He wasn't easy to find ::)
HO107/1712 Folio 36 Page 19
Coles (Dale) ?
Northaw
Hertfordshire
COLES Theophilus Head 26 Unm b Salisbury Wiltshire Farmer 239 Acres employ 7 Labs
RICHES Maria 23 Unm b Molash Norfolk House Servant
ALLEN Thomas Servant 33 Widow b Hingham Norfolk Ag Lab
ROBERTS George Servant 34 Unm b Northew Ag Lab
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No idea where Lucy may be. I cannot see her in 1841 or 1851. Do you have anything on her parents? I cannot see any person with the name Ebsworth or anything like it in any parish which comes under Hendon district in 1851.
Cheers Kris :D
Hi Kris
This was very clever. Who would have thought of looking for Theophilus, under the wrong name, in Hertfordshire. But that is surely him.
As far as Lucy is concerned, I can't spot her either, but using IGI, it looks as if she may have been a daughter of Thomas and Mary Susanna EBSWORTH, baptised in St Stephen Coleman Street in 1824. Other children include Ellen (1818); Caroline (1820) and Alfred (1821).
Thanks once again for the very skillful help with this elusive family.
Phil
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Although I thought I had finished with this family, further information has come to light and I am asking for some more help.
It turns out that John Bailey COLES and Theophilus COLES had several other siblings, born and baptised at Maiden Bradley in Wiltshire. One in particular is worth following up: George COLES s/o John Bailey & Joanna COLES who baptised at All Saints, Maiden Bradley on 17 Dec 1782.
The reason I am interested in him is that he was evidently still alive in 1841, as he is mentioned in the will of his brother Theophilus Ponting COLES who died in late 1841. Indeed, he died in 1847, and his will was proved in June that year (Will of George Coles, Gentleman of Lyncombe and Widcombe, Somerset 08 June 1847 PROB 11/2057).
Can anyone spot him in the 1841 Census? From the index to the 1841 census, it looks as if he may be in Bath, and shown as aged 55. Is he living with other relatives?
I would certainly appreciate help with this request.
Many thanks
Phil
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Does anyone no why he and Lucy separated and where he died I have it listed at Farmborough, Somerset 14th February 1897. Who was he living with? Lucy died in Bristol, 67 Maple Road on the 30th March 1902.
Can anyone help
Chris Reeves
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I think that the Martha in the 1841 census at Rye Hill is the children Auntie Martha Baily Cole b1787. If so where are the parents. On the 16th February 1824 John Baily was made insolvent. Would that mean he would be sent to debaters prison? Like Heytesbury?
Chris1286
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Hi Chris
You're right; the older Martha is the aunt of the three children; the fourth (Julia Anna) was living in Donhead St Mary with the Foot family.
You ask where the parents were. Sarah died in Horton, Dorset in January 1841, so by the time of the 1841 Census, John Bailey was widowed. I haven't managed to find him in the 1841, but here he is the the next two censuses:
HO107/1856 Folio 272 Page 16
East Lulworth
Dorset
ATKINS Emily Dau 4 b East Lulworth Farmers Dau
ATKINS Martha Dau 2 b East Lulworth Farmers Dau
COLES John Bailey Visitor 70 Widower b East Lulworth Annuitant
MARY Mary Servant 21 Unm b East Lulworth House Servant
CHARLES Sarah Servant 14 b East Lulworth House Servant
1861 Census of Dorset
Old Down area , Woodlands Dorset in the Wimborne RD
John Morey 28 bn Wiltshire Occ Ag lab' West Lulworth Dorset
Sarah Morey 26 Milton Abbey Dors
Jesse L Morey 4 Belchalweel, Dors
George Morey 2 Warmwell Dors
Edward J Morey 3mths Woodlands, Dors
John B Coles 80 Lodger Occ Retired Farmer Widow bn Maiden Bradley Wiltshire
It's true that he was bankrupt in 1824, but I understand that he was the Constable for Heytesbury and not in Gaol as a debtor. So if you have found him in prison, it's probably as the boss and not as a prisoner!
John Bailey COLES died in 1862 in Dorset.
I hope this information is helpful to you.
Kind regards
Philip Candy
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Theophilus John Bailey Coles and Lucy Ebsworth were my great, great grandparents. A document found in the National Archives in Kew explains why they were no longer living together in the 1881 census. In October 1873, Lucy petitioned for a judicial separation in Her Majesty's Court for Divorce and Matrimonial Causes in London. In her petition, she describes the 'great harshness and cruelty' she suffered at the hands of her husband throughout their 22 year marriage. She finally left him, with the help of her elder daughters, on 21 July 1873. Her sworn statement is very detailed and makes upsetting reading. In the 1881 census, Theophilus was still living in Chesterblade, with a housekeeper, Sarah Burfitt. In 1886 Sarah Jane Burfitt married James Atkins, Theophilus's nephew (son of his sister Julia Atkins, nee Coles). In 1888 Theophilus wrote his will, leaving everything to 'my dear niece Sarah Jane Atkins' and appointed her sole executor. At the time of writing his will he was living at the George Inn, in Nettlebridge, Midsommer Norton. In the 1891 census (wrongly transcribed as Thos J Baily Coles) he described himself as a 'retired innkeeper' and was a lodger at the Bell Inn, Buckland, Wiltshire where his nephew James Atkins was inn keeper, living with his wife Sarah Jane and their two young children. Theophilus died on 14 February 1897 in Farmborough, Somerset.
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I am very interested in this information regarding the Coles family however I am unable to prove a link between them and the Candy family of Somerset.
I wondered if you are able to help?
Best wishes
PHIL Candy
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I am very interested in this information regarding the Coles family however I am unable to prove a link between them and the Candy family of Somerset.
The name Theophilus Ponting Coles points to the Ponting family of Foxcote who were very fond of that Christian name. I think you'll find that John Bailey Coles's mother was Joanna Ponting from Foxcote, daughter of Theophilus and Ann. The Theophilus Ponting who married Ann Candy at Wanstrow in 1790 was probably Joanna's brother, born Foxcote 1764.
I've come across the Ponting family before in a friend's tree but never thought they would be related to me, but I see from the Coles trees on Ancestry that there is a distant connection. Theophilus and Lucy Coles's son Charles married Hannah Warren in Australia and she was a descendant of my paternal ggg-grandparents, from Manchester, not Somerset. It's a small world, as they say.
David
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You are probably aware of this document regarding Thomas Hales Theophilus Coles Candy, but just in case you aren't, here is a link to it in the National Archive, dated January 1849: http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C3145261