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Welcome to this weeks Scavenger Hunt and it's DebUSA's turn, as you can see, she's been thrown in the deep end with this one, but I'm sure you'll be able to sort it all out for her.
Good Luck and Good Hunting
Barbara
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Hi everyone
Well this one has been done in a bit of a rush as I am sitting in for someone .... This isn't a scavenge in the real sense as I am sure we will be able to follow this family through...they don't move around much, unlike the other side of my family ...
This week we will visit Devon and the Adams family. I have not followed them in a while and need to get them sorted . I had started this side of the family when I was very new to genealogy and now that I am setting all of this down and re-investigating , I feel sure I had make mistakes ....I will point them out as I go along .
My Nan, Mabel Waterfield, was the d/o Francis Mitchel Waterfield (b 1872 Tavistock) and Mary Jane Adams b 1881 Broadclyst, Devon.
Francis Mitchell Waterfield = Mary Jane Adams Dec q 1899 Tavistock, Devon.
1901
30 Bannawell Street, Tavistock
Francis M Waterfield 25 Petty Officer RN
Mary Jane 20 b Broad Clyst
Winnifred M 11 months b Devonport
(Mabel and sisters still to be born)
1891
10 Bannawell street, Tavistock
William Adams head 38 permanent way inspector/L&SW Railway b Tawstock
Elizabeth wife 36 b Broad Clyst (Nee BRAY ... married June q 1875 Tavistock)
William 14 tool carrier of L&SWR b BC
MARY J 10 b BC ... my great grandmother!
Edwin 8 b BC
Lucy 6 b BC
George 4 b BC
Selina 2 b Cornwall Launceston
Betram 2 months b Tavistock
(In 1901 they are still at 10 bannawell st, with more children, Percy 8 and John 5. William, the dad still born TAWSTOCK)
1881
8 New Buildings Broad Clyst
Willm Adams 28 railway lab b TAVISTOCK
Elizabeth wife 26 b BC
William 4 b BC
Mary Jane 3 months b BC
what worries me about this 1881 is that there is a Mary Jane Adams b SEPT Q 1881 Tavistock ... if this is her ...then she shouldn't be on the 1881 census ...
Also now I am not sure if William Adams did marry Elizabeth Bray ..as I cannot find her bc 1855 BROAD CLYST
I have found my scribbled family tree of and this is how it looks (in words of course)
so starting with my furthest back
Maria Gill (b 1808 Newardleigh, died 1854) = Thomas Adams (b 1815 Beer Ferris ..bargeman)
They married Sept q 1838 Stoke Damerel Devon
Children;
John Adams 1839 Calstock
Thomas Adams circa 1845 Tavistock
James Adams 1850Tavistock TWIN
William Henry Adams b 1850 Tavistock TWIN ...now is he my William b c 1853 Tawstock/Tavistock?
Maria Adams nee Gill dies (mar q 1854) and Thomas Adams remarries Elizabeth (b 1820, Mevagissy Cornwall)
their children = Mary Jane 1859 and Joseph 1862
(1851 census HO107/1883 340 10)
(1861 census RG9/1459 54 5)
The thing with the 1861 census is that they are living next to the Brays , which I had thought to be the family of William Adam's future wife.
I also cannot find another William Henry Adams b 1850 Tavistock after the 1861 census, so is MY William b Tawstock/Tavistock the twin ? (...the other twin, James, seems to have followed in his dad's footsteps ... Occ = Bargeman)
Now I am not sure about anything ...
I apologise for this being a bit of a mess .... but hopefully you can help me set things straight. I also think that I should order some certs.
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;D Just saving... Back tonight.
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Hi Lesanne, you beat Toni today.........that's twice now I think...... ;D ;D ;D
Barbara
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here ay be jufte lefte thee inne ;D
pleafe vifit an fee thee linke from Mafter Sapling :)
8)
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Hi all, will drop in later if I get the beast to sleep . (Had 4 month injections yesterday and is thoroughly miserable :'()
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Hi all, will drop in later if I get the beast to sleep . (Had 4 month injections yesterday and is thoroughly miserable :'()
Awwwwwwwwww poor little love........hope he/she settles down for you.
Barbara
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birth reg
Mary Jane Adams march qtr 1881 St Thomas vol 5b pg 49
St Thomas covers Broad Clyst
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another possible marriage
William Adams dec qtr 1875 St Thomas vol 5b pg 73 with Elizabeth Sophia Clark the only other on the page.
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1861 Queens Sq, Broad Clyst RG9/1385 folio 53 pg 1
George Clarke head mar 30 ag lab
Elizabeth wife 30
Mary J dau 9
Elizabeth dau 6
all born Broad Clyst
Elizabeth Clarke dec qtr 1854 St Thomas vol 5b pg 47
Wonder where the Sophia came from if this is her?
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1871 260 High St, Exeter RG10/2068 folio 60 pg 12
Elizabeth Connett wife mar 55 trunk & portmanteau maker b. St Thomas
Elizabeth Clark 16 domestic servant b. Broadclist
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Hi everyone
I'm here ...but just for a bit. Isn't it typical ...on the day of my hunt I have to go out .... :-\ :(
Osprey ... oohhh just reading your posts ...I like the fact that Elizabeth Clark b BC 1855 has an elder sis named Mary J.... umm will try and find George and Elizabeth Clark in 1871 etc ... maybe there are clues there ....
How do I get a marriage cert poste haste ?
deb :)
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think George & Eliz are in Broadclyst in 1871, neither daughter at home but young son. ref RG10/2050 folio 66 pg 16. Obligingly, they dont seem to move from Broadclyst.
:D
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Hi Osprey
Good grief talk about having two completely different sides to my family ,.... ones that never move and then the Penfolds who are all over the place ...I fear I will never find Royalty in my blood line ;D ;D
Also i am sure I was on the completely WRONG track with William Adams b 1853 Tawstock...so we can scrap my tree with William Adams the twin.!!!!
1871
4 Cottage Harracott
Tawstock
Thomas Adams head mar 42 railway platelayer b Little Torrington
Ann wife 41 b Tawstock
William son 18 unm b Tawstock
Mary J dau 15 unm scholar b Tawstock
Blimey how many Mary J/Janes am I going to come across ? ;D
At least William's dad ...is in the railway business ...
deb
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another possible marriage
William Adams dec qtr 1875 St Thomas vol 5b pg 73 with Elizabeth Sophia Clark the only other on the page.
OOOO just noticed that on the 1901
when William Adams is at 10 Bannawell street Elizabeth his wife has middle initial "S" , also in 1891 Elizabeth has initial that has been transcribed as an 'L" could be "S" ....
deb .... ;D
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1861
Tawstock
Hilarew?
Thomas Adams head 32 ag lab :P b Great Torrington
Ann Adams wife 31 b Tawstock
William son 8 b Tawstock
Mary Jand 6 b "
at this rate I'll be back to the 1600's in 10 minutes .....
I am so glad that I did this one as I would have kept the completely wrong family.... hey Les ... I think i will order Mary Jane Adams who married Francis Mitchell Waterfield , her birth cert ...just to be sure of her mum being Elizabeth Sophia Clark ....
birth reg
Mary Jane Adams march qtr 1881 St Thomas vol 5b pg 49
St Thomas covers Broad Clyst
I think this may be her mum;
Elizabeth Sophia Clark
mar q 1855
Exeter Devon
5b 82
deb
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Hi all, will drop in later if I get the beast to sleep . (Had 4 month injections yesterday and is thoroughly miserable :'()
Awwwwwwwwww poor little love........hope he/she settles down for you.
Barbara
Thanks! He's asleep (for now.......) so hopefully will wake up feeling chirpier.
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Babies.......adorable when they're asleep..........
..................and when they grow up and leave home....... ;) ;)
Fingers crossed for you Spidermonkey........oh, and I've put your name down for a Hunt
Barbara
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1851 ...Thos Adams b 1829, Little Torrington is a servant in the home of Farmer John Lovering and family in Tawstock.
ummm looking in 1841 ...nothing really pops out ...also William Adams = Ann??
he's single in 1851 first child William ( born 1853 , he marries Elizabeth Sophia Clark/e) ... where is the marriage ...arrghhhh ...got to go out soon .
deb
Hi Spider ;D glad the baby is sleeping
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Hi Deb (and all)
How about this for the marriage of Thomas & Ann - BArnstaple is the right reg dist I think
Marriages Jun 1852
Adams Thomas Barnstaple 5b 901
Cann John Barnstaple 5b 901
Gould Ann Short Barnstaple 5b 901
Smale Eliza Barnstaple 5b 901
DebbieG
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Hi Debbie ...nice to see you again ...:)
saw that one ...not sure where Barnstaple is in relation to Lt Torrington and Tawstock.
can't find the Adams on IGI ...arrgghhhhh
have spotted some other Adams on 1851 born Gt and Lt Torrington ...maybe sibs of my Thomas b 1829 ...although can't be sure.
will look for Ann Short Gould on IGI ...see if she was born Tawstock 1830ish
deb
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Not sure twstock is in the IGI Deb
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Just checked Barnstaple reg dist does cover Tawstock
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Thx Deb ....
gotta leave for a few hours .... :( >:(
will bbasap
deb :)
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Also now I am not sure if William Adams did marry Elizabeth Bray ..as I cannot find her bc 1855 BROAD CLYST
There are about 30 Elizabeths born c1855 in Broad Clyst on the 1861 census - including an Elizabeth Beer (would that make you Toni's cousin?)
Do you want me to list them for you?
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I think this may be her mum;
Elizabeth Sophia Clark
mar q 1855
Exeter Devon
5b 82
deb
I think this is she in 1861:
Broad Clist, Devon
? Square
George Clarke H M 30 Ag lab
Elizabeth Clarke W M 30
Mary J Clarke D 9
Elizabeth Clarke D 6
All born in Broad Clist
RG9/1385/53/1
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1861 Queens Sq, Broad Clyst RG9/1385 folio 53 pg 1
George Clarke head mar 30 ag lab
Elizabeth wife 30
Mary J dau 9
Elizabeth dau 6
all born Broad Clyst
Elizabeth Clarke dec qtr 1854 St Thomas vol 5b pg 47
I think this may be her mum;
Elizabeth Sophia Clark
mar q 1855
Exeter Devon
5b 82
deb
I think this is she in 1861:
Broad Clist, Devon
? Square
George Clarke H M 30 Ag lab
Elizabeth Clarke W M 30
Mary J Clarke D 9
Elizabeth Clarke D 6
All born in Broad Clist
RG9/1385/53/1
just checking ::)
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Have you got this, Online Doc
Name Waterfield, Frank
Official Number: 159643
Place of Birth: Tavistock, Devon
07 October 1874 ADM 188/234
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Do you know what, I read through this thread at least 3 times cos I felt sure someone else had already found this, and could I see it? Nope. Blame lack of sleep :-*
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;D I'm wearing out Freebmd trying to find the marriages... ;D
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there's more than one possible Elizabeth Clark(e) for the one registered Exeter and the one registered St Thomas. None of them have a middle intial in 1861 or 1871. Or it could be that her birth wasn't registered at all. There doesn't seem to be a registration for sister Mary in St Thomas district, unless she was born before marriage and under a different name..
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::) Just so we know it's no E on marriage ref.......
Marriages Dec 1875
ADAMS William
CLARK Elizabeth Sophia
St Thomas 5b 73
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just afew possibles for the pot...... ;D
Marriages Mar 1850
Bailey Elizabeth
Bearn Marina
Bolt Samuel
Clarke George
Puddicombe Eliza
Tucket William
St Thomas 10 341
Added...aswell
Marriages Jun 1851
Addams Thomas
Diggins Mary Ann
St Thomas 10 401
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1851 Thomas Adams is a servant on farm belonging to Lovering family at Week, Tawstock HO107/1893 folio 615 pg 13
In 1901 on same page as Lovering's farm
Bridgeton, Tawstock RG13/2153 folio 32 pg 3
Thomas Petherbridge head mar 42 farm lab
Mary J wife 44
Mary A dau 9
Emily dau 3
Thomas Adams step father 72 retired plate layer
all born Tawstock
marriage ref
Mary Jane Adams dec qtr 1884 Barnstaple vol 5b pg 875 with Thomas Petherbridge on the same page
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You all are amazing!!!! I know Deb felt she needs to "redo" this family and she sure came to the right place!!
Nice to meet you, spidermonkey, and good luck with the little one!
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And very nice to meet you, too, Osprey!
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You all are amazing!!!! I know Deb felt she needs to "redo" this family and she sure came to the right place!!
Nice to meet you, spidermonkey, and good luck with the little one!
Nice to meet you too!
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Lone George Clarke
aged 17yrs (1824) No,
Exeter, St George Martyr.
HO 107 266 11 14
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Marriages Mar 1849
Clarke George
Emmett Mary
Gifford Daniel
Green Elizabeth Perring
HORE Ann
Langdon Francis
Madge Martha
Salter Aaron
Exeter 10 145
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sorry a little late coming in - someone point me in the right direction with whom we are alooking for and i wil crack on
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Hi All,
Im here as well ;D ;D
Gonna read through and see if i can help :)
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Hello Toni.... Weeell... :-\ :-\
Mary Jane Adams b1881 Broad clyst (St Thomas) parents :-
Wiiliam Adams c 1853 Tawstock, Devon. +(mar: 1875 St Thomas)
to Elizabeth Sophia Clark/e c 1855 Exeter
Not much about, I'm afraid..... ::)
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Hi, jama!
Well, this bites ... when viewing the image, there isn't a William ADAMS on the census page!
Name: William Adams
Birth: abt 1852 - Tavistock, Devon, England
Residence: 1881 - Falmouth, Cornwall, England
Is the 1881 and reference is RG11/2316.
There are, however, BRAYs on page 11 (above takes you to page 12).
I'm a bit lost, but trying to help, Deb!! :D
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another possible marriage
William Adams dec qtr 1875 St Thomas vol 5b pg 73 with Elizabeth Sophia Clark the only other on the page.
OOOO just noticed that on the 1901
when William Adams is at 10 Bannawell street Elizabeth his wife has middle initial "S" , also in 1891 Elizabeth has initial that has been transcribed as an 'L" could be "S" ....
deb .... ;D
This is why Deb's went for the Elizabeth Sophia....
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Blimey...... Im completely lost ;D ;D
Someone will have to tell me what we are looking for ??? SORRY!!!!!!!
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so is that definite then William Adams & Elizabeth Sophia Clark(e) marriage ?
will have a think on them then - were they from Tawstock or Tavistock?
i knew one of use would have to have an Adams family
i have Brays in my tree, from St Columb Cornwall though,
Charlotte Vinton married John Bray and had a number of children all of whom i have marriages / children for.
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think this may be George unmarried in 1851. From 1861 on, he's in Broadclyst, but his place of birth varies - Broadclyst, Silverton, Bradninch
Rectory Cottage, Silverton HO107/1888 folio 96 pg 9
George Clark 20 ag servant b. Bradninch
and a possible in 1841 as a 9 year old in Silverton HO107/226/12 folio 9 pg 13 with a very faint occupation.
William Adams gives Tawstock as his place of birth, Elizabeth Broadclyst.
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IS there a Tawstock or is it just Tavistock mistranscribbled? ???
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there is indeed!
http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Tawstock/
but it's not on the IGI
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Ok, thanks very much, Osprey!
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Hi everyone
I am back ...long day and then computer crash ...have not read everything so will be back asap ...
Thanks for taking the time for me today ...hugs for all
deb xxxx
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back again
when I first posted this and realised I had been wrong in my 'calculation' that Mary Jane Adams parents were William Adams and Elizabeth Bray, I thought that I had an 'easy peasy' ;D line here , even though this has changed to the mother being Elizabeth Sophia Clark/e I still thought it would be easy ........ now there is nothing on IGI to verify the older Adams and Clarke peeps.... so now Not so easy peasy
I have read all your post really quickly but still have to reread ....to let it sink in ... on certain censuses Elizabeth Adams has a middle initial "S" and one that has been transcribed as an 'L' which could easily be an "s" ....so Ospreays find of Williams wife as Elizabeth Sophia Clarke is bril ..
Elizabeth Sophia Clark
mar q 1855
Exeter Devon
5b 82
hopefully we can confirm parentage soon , with the birth cert of my gt grandmother Mary Jane Waterfield nee Adams .
as to the naval records of Frank (Francis Mitchell) Waterfield ...i do have them ... thanks ... he was a stable boy who rose the the rank of snr Petty Officer RN ...the Waterfields are a whole other convoluted story .... maybe the next hunt .... ;D
deb ...ever appreciative :-*
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Hi
Has everyone left me to scavenge for myself :-\ :'(
I had a photo coloued/restored here at RC ...it's a great picture of Mary Jane Waterfield nee Adams with her 7 daughters ... my Nan Mabel is sitting to the left of her...the other picture is of Francis Mitchell and mary Jane Waterfield in their later years.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,256391.0.html
I will do a summary and see where we are
deb
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Just waiting to see what you still need Deb as im confused as normal ;D
Great photo's and they look even better in colour ;D
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hi Sue
Now I don't feel so lonely ;D
I will try to get a summary organised as the Clark/e side is all very new to me too ... also I would love to fill in gaps ...where's Les we need her tree making talent..?
bbs
deb
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summary
ADAMS FAMILY:
1st Generation
Thomas Adams b 1829 Tawstock Little Torrington = Ann ?? b c 1830 Tawstock
Children ;
William b 1853 Tawstock = Elizabeth Sophia Clark/e in 1875 St Thomas
Mary Jane b 1856 Tawstock = Thomas Petherbridge in 1884 Barnstaple (thanks to Osprey for this! :) )
possible marriages ;
Thomas Adams = Gould Ann Short 1852 Barnstaple
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2nd Generation;
William Adams b 1853 TAWSTOCK = Elizabeth Sophia Clark/e b 1855 Broad Clyst, Devon
children;
William b 1877 Broad Clyst
MARY JANE b 1880 Broad Clyst = Francis Mitchell Waterfield (they had the 7 girls including my Nan, Mabel)
Edwin b 1883 B C
Lucy b 1885 B C
George b 1887 B C
Selina b 1889 Launceston Cornwall
Betram b 1891 Tavistock
Percy b 1893 Tavistock
John b 1896 Tavistock
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3rd Generation
Mary Jane Adams b 1880 BC = Francis Mitchell Waterfield in 1899
Children ;
Winnifred May 1900 Devonport
Hilda 1902 tavistock
Gladys 1905 Tavistock
Frances mary E 1907 St Germans Cornwall
Edith 1908 St Germans
MABEL 1910 St Germans
Lucy D 1913 St Germans
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4th generation;
Mabel Waterfield = William George Middleton
Hope I can get back further ....
deb :)
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Blimey Deb...... This is a hard one ;D ;D ;D
Will keep searching ;D
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There are no IGI entries for Tawstock .... :-\ :'(
So how the heck am I going to get further back ?? :-\ :-\ :-\
working on the Clarke Family ... although there is not much there either ...
disappointed deb :-\
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i'm here .... thinking ... but not getting very far
how to get the bp's for Tawstock without them being on IGI
is there a Devon OPC?
so if Thomas & Anns first child wasn't born until 1853 presuambly they married after civil reg. and thus should be able to find the marriage and the cert wil give fathers names
i see you have this
possible marriages ;
Thomas Adams = Gould Ann Short 1852 Barnstaple
is it worth ordering the certificate ? i know we need to to get fathers names but how can you be certain it is correct without knowing more details other than Anns and Thomas names pearhaps a childs birth cert too would give the mothers maiden name and then order the marriage cert
one step at a time as they say - unless that really is the only possibly marriage
did they ONLY have William & Mary Jane ? did Ann died young(ish) or did they have more children we have not found - i say we actually i havent done any searching yet just thinking
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Deb..... What about this family in 1861, both parents b Tawstock. RG09 / 1495 / 31 / 7
Head is a William Adams (spelt Adames) age 60 married to a Betsy b Tawstock age 44 :)
Have checked original and ages are right. They have 7 children from 1846.
Could it be a relative or maybe Thomas's father if he remarried. :)
Clutching at straws maybe ;D ;D
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Deb you will get back further
step 1 order williams birth cert if this is proving dificult to decide which ishis order a not so common name sibling
step 2 order the marriage cert of Thomas Adams to ascertain his fatehr sname
step 3 contact NORTH Devon RO to see if they have the tithe map for tawstock in 1836 - which wil give other family members - find some kind person on RC to look up the tithe and / or the PR's for Tawstock
Ambrose Adams, Combe Martin, husbandman 2. Ann Adams, Tawstock, widow Premises: messuage and appurtenances called Roodge, part of manor of Tawstock ...
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A/records.aspx?cat=821-1142b_1&cid=-1&Gsm=2008-06-18#-1
Ann Adams, Tawstock, widow Premises: estate at Charlacott, part Hele Manor Term: 2 lives Rent: 9sh. 7¼d. Fine: £100. [no title] 1142 B/L59/4 1829. Contents: ...
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A/records.aspx?cat=821-1142b_2&cid=-1&Gsm=2008-06-18 -
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hi girls ...
seems we are all working on who Thomas b 1829 married Ann ?? possibly Ann Short Gould
I have found this in 1851
Tawstock
Rollston
Peter Cowan Land agent and Family plus
John GOULD 24 unm groom Stable Lad :) B Tawstock
ANN GOULD 22 Unm ser B TAWSTOCK
on same Page
Elizabeth GOULD wid 67 spinster b tawstock
Mary dau unm 16 glover b Tawstock
there is a Samuel SHORT on same page ....
will read your posts
deb
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censuses for Thomas Adams b 1829
1901
aged 72 widow with dau and sil ...Thomas and mary Jane Petherbridge
Thomas = b TAWSTOCK
1891
Thomas = 63 b Torrington
Ann = 62 Tawstock
1881
Thomas = 52 b Torrington
Ann = 51 b Tawstock
mary J dau = 25 b Tawstock
1871
Thomas = 42 b Little Torrington
Ann = 41 Tawstock
WILLIAM = 18 b Tawstock (= Elizabeth Sophia Clark/e)
mary J = 15 b Tawstock
1861
Thomas = 32 b Great Torrington
Ann 31 = Tawstock
William = 8 Tawstock
Mary J = 6 Tawstock
1851
Ann Gould = unm ser 22 b Tawstock
Thos Adams = 22 sin b Great Torrington
1841 ?
wish Thomas would make up his mind as to where he was born
deb
added ... Toni ...seems like they only had the 2 children
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:D :D Just having a quick re read... Be back later ;)
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plodding on here .... ;D
the CLARK/E Family summary
CLARKE FAMILY
George Clark/e b 1831 Broad Clyst/Bradninch/Silverton = Elizabeth ?? b 1831 Broad Clyst
children;
Mary J 1852 Broad Clyst
Elizabeth b 1855 Broad Clyst = William Adams b 1853 tawstock, in 1875
Frederick George b 1866 Broad Clyst = Rachel Jane Winsor in 1890 Exeter
George b 1874 Broad Clyst = Mary Jane W Port
note 1871 census William gevas 50 boarder b Rewe with them
Possible marriage; thanks to Lesanne;
Marriages Mar 1850
Bailey Elizabeth
Clarke George
Puddicombe Eliza
or
Marriages Mar 1849
Clarke George only Elizabeth on page = Green Elizabeth Perring
But then they should be together in 1851 ...and we haven't found that ...only George by himself!
Also can't see a Elizabeth Bailey b 1831 Braoad Clyst
now these rellies of mine NEVER went anywhere . Blimey !!!
deb ...
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Have you got Frederick Clarke in 1891?
RG12 / 1749 / 59 / 4
Frederick G Clarke head age 25 b Broad Clist, occ platelayer
Rachel J wife age 25 b Clist St Mary
Ernest G son age 5 months b Tavistock
Address 4 Madge Lane, Tavistock
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Hi Sue
Thanks for that ...i was just going to started adding to all the kids we have ... There just doesn't seem to be any of my peeps on IGI so I will have to resort to buying certs :(
Do you have Frederick G Clarke's marriage ?
deb :)
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No not found that yet Deb ;D ;D ;D
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ooo found it
frederick George Clarke = Rachel Jane Winsor
Sept 1890 Exeter
deb :)
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You beat me to it Deb ;D ;D ;D
Do we still need other children in census?
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just found George b 1874
1901
Welton St , Stoke Damerel Devonport
George Clarke head mar 27 silksman Flixes?? Mills b Broad clyst
Emma wife 23 b Ugborough
William son 1 b Devonport
George son 3months b "
can't find him in 1891 :-\
marriage ;
possible
George Thomas Clarke = Emma Jane W Port
June q 1898
Stoke Damerel
deb
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1891
Stoke Damerel
Emma J W Port is 13 b Ugborough living with her parents and sibs
James Port 40 Navy pensioner b Plymstock
Jane H wife 41 b Ugborough
William F 10
James C C 8
so she def seems to fit with George's wife in 1901 ;D
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Hope this is Mary J but haven't found marriage yet ;D
1891 in Broad Clyst
RG12 / 1678 / 6 / 6
John C Corner head age 35, occ wheelwright
Mary J wife age 39
John C son age 7
Elizabeth J dau age 4
William H son age 2
Sydney Geo son age 1
All b Broad Clyst
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Oh Deb... I cant find a marriage for Mary ???
Maybe its not the right one :o
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ooo was just looking for her, Thanks !! will check it out ...can't see her in 1871 :-\
baby summary ... ;D
George Clark/e b 1831 Broad Clyst/Bradninch/Silverton = Elizabeth ?? b 1831 Broad Clyst
children;
*Mary J 1852 Broad Clyst
*Elizabeth b 1855 Broad Clyst = William Adams b 1853 Tawstock, in 1875
*Frederick George b 1866 Broad Clyst = Rachel Jane Winsor in 1890 Exeter
*George b 1874 Broad Clyst = Mary Jane W Port in 1898 Stoke Damerel
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found this mary too ..can't find marriage ..
eeekkk where is she?
1881
Bedford Row , Barnstaple
William Pollard head mar 25 railway porter b BC
Mary J Pollard wife 28 b BC
I think we need to find her in 1871 ....
deb
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Deb....Iv'e just found another possible but again i cant find a marriage ???
1901 RG13 / 2035 / 30 /5
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still working on Mary Jane ....
also can we find anything for these children ? This is the Adams side
2nd Generation;
William Adams b 1853 TAWSTOCK = Elizabeth Sophia Clark/e b 1855 Broad Clyst, Devon
children;
Thomas b 1877 Broad Clyst
MARY JANE b 1880 Broad Clyst = Francis Mitchell Waterfield (they had the 7 girls including my Nan, Mabel)
Edwin b 1883 B C
Lucy b 1885 B C
George b 1887 B C
Selina b 1889 Launceston Cornwall
Betram b 1891 Tavistock
Percy b 1893 Tavistock
John b 1896 Tavistock
I know ...not a lot to find ::) ::)
deb
added actually that was a stupid request as all but Mary Jane are still at home in 1901 ...maybe we can find a couple marriages though ...
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Sue
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I have just found something .....
Have you got Frederick Clarke in 1891?
RG12 / 1749 / 59 / 4
Frederick G Clarke head age 25 b Broad Clist, occ platelayer
Rachel J wife age 25 b Clist St Mary
Ernest G son age 5 months b Tavistock
Address 4 Madge Lane, Tavistock
guess where they are living in 1901
11 Bannawell Street right next door to William Adams b 1853 TAWSTOCK = Elizabeth Sophia Clark/e b 1855 Broad Clyst, Devon living at # 10 Bannawell street, Tavistock
deb
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Well here they are in 1901 RG13 / 2116 / 26 / 6
William age 48
Elizabeth age 46
Thomas age 22
Edwin age 19
Lucy age 17
George age 14
Selina age 12
Bertie age 10
Percy age 8
John age 5
Had you got Thomas ???
Added........ Just see Thomas ;D ;D
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Snap ;D ;D ;D
Was just gonna post when i read your post :)
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wooo hooo i am sooo happy
1891
10 Bannawell street, Tavistock
William Adams head 38 permanent way inspector/L&SW Railway b Tawstock
Elizabeth wife 36 b Broad Clyst
William 14 tool carrier of L&SWR b BC
MARY J 10 b BC ... my great grandmother!
Edwin 8 b BC
Lucy 6 b BC
George 4 b BC
Selina 2 b Cornwall Launceston
Betram 2 months b Tavistock
(In 1901 they are still at 10 Bannawell st, with more children, Percy 8 and John 5. William, the dad still born TAWSTOCK
1901
11 Bannawell Street
Frederick G Clarke 31 sawyer on Railway/plate b BC
Rachel J wife 31 b Ide
Ernest G 10
Beatrice 6
Lily 5
Frederick H 7
Violet M 1
all children b Tavistock
so Frederick Clarke is living next to his sis Elizabeth Sophia Adams nee Clarke ;D :D
errr Sue ...what do you mean by " Had you got Thomas "
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I wish I could make the photo of my Gr grandmother and her daughters smaller to post as my avatar ...just for this hunt that is .
deb
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i guess you have this
Ann Gould bp 27 Apr 1828 Broad Clyst d/o John & priscilla
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My mistake about Thomas, ignore it Deb ;D
Ok what about this marriage ;D
Mar 1912 Selina Adams to Samuel Kemp at Tavistock
Vol 5b Page 592
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you can make the image smaller with Ifranview - download it for free and follow the instructions to resize etc.
Ann Gould had a sister Susan 18 Jul 1830 Broad Clyst
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held at North Devon Ro
CHANTER, BURRINGTON & FOSTER, BARNSTAPLE
Catalogue Ref. 1142 B
Creator(s):
Chanter, Burrington and Foster, Barnstaple, Devon, solicitors
TITLE DEEDS
DEVON
Tawstock - ref. 1142 B/T50
FILE [no title] - ref. 1142 B/T50/2 - date: 1780
[from Scope and Content] 2. Ann Adams, Tawstock, widow
&
CHANTER, BURRINGTON & FOSTER, BARNSTAPLE
Catalogue Ref. 1142 B
Creator(s):
Chanter, Burrington and Foster, Barnstaple, Devon, solicitors
LEASES
DEVON
Tawstock - ref. 1142 B/L59
FILE [no title] - ref. 1142 B/L59/2 - date: 1787
[from Scope and Content] 2. Ann Adams, Tawstock, widow
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try Devonheritage.org ;D
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And another possible :)
Jun 1912 Bertram Adams to Jane A Tucker at Tavistock
Vol 5b Page 811
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OOO thanks for Ann Gould Toni
Wonder why I can't find other rellies from Broad clyst on IGI?
I have seen some stuff on NA re Adams from Tawstock ...even 2 wills ,,,but have no idea if they are mine
deb
ooo sue thanks!
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Back & re reading... all fed and watered.. 1 in .1 out. 1 just here.... me just delegating... ;D
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it might be worth looking at the property Deeds for Ann Adams widow
Broadclyst i am told is one word - i thought it was 2 too
so is Ann Gould Aka Ann Short Gould ? thats the question - well the p.o.b and y.o.b certianly match
so Ann Gould where di the Short come from?
John Gould m. Priscillia Belworthy 25 Dec 1827 Broadclyst
so the short didn't come from Priscilla - not directly anyhow
and what became fo Susan Gould?
as usual more questions than answers
oh oe more idea if Ann was married albeit breifly to a Mr Short inbetwixt times maybe thats where the Short came from or maybeim lookign atthe completely wrong family here
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Noticed you wanted it smaller.
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strange one this but
Priscilla Belworthy bp. 31 July 1825 Broadclyst d/o John BELWORTHY & Priscilla
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Cant find a marriage for Edwin Adams so what about this death?
Dec 1905 Edwin James Adams age 23 at Tavistock
Vol 5b Page 229
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Susan Gould b. 1830
1851- HO107; 1866; 60; 1;
with John & Priscilla - no ANn but thats ok cos ANn is a servant in Tawstock
so
Goosens Broadclist
John Gould 60 ag lab b. Devon North Molton
Priscilla 63 (this would be Priscilla nee Belworthy) b. Devon (T?)allaton
Susan 21 b. Devon Broadclist
in reality (the majorty of us) we marry regardless of race just as long as they come from our borough
completely unrelated
is it co-incidence that divorce rates rose with the age expectancy ?
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A possible marriage for Percy Adams :)
Jun 1925 Percy G Adams to Emma Weeks at Exeter
Vol 5b Page 224
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1841 for Priscilla / John & Susan - no Ann still
Village Broadclist
HO107; 210; : 7; 9; 12;
John Gould 40 ag lab Y
Priscilla 43 Y
Susan 8 Y
Priscilla Belworthy 15 Y
(presumably this is Priscilla d/o John & Priscill Belworthy)
back shortly
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;D First tree...
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Great Tree Les - although one thing Ann Gould was bp. gould but marries as Short gould :-\
this site is good useful for farming family ancestors in Devon
http://www.devon.gov.uk/index/democracycommunities/neighbourhoods-villages/record_office/record_offices_in_devon/guide_sources/farming_history.htm
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Throwing the generation possibles....
HO107 1893 511 19
There's a William Adams bn Tawstock 73 yrs in 1851.
F-I-L to William Dobb, who's wife is Alice.
They are into farming........ Is this 'our' Thomas's Grandad and Auntie Alice... ;D
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Hi all
back ...just for a bit ...have visitors ...Thanks for the avatar pic and tree lesanne .. :-*
What if Ann was born Ann Short who married a Mr Gould then Thomas Adams ?
will be back asap
Thanks for all your help
deb x
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in later census where does Ann give her p.o.b?
Ann Gould gives Broadclist / Broad Clyst
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Morning Toni... Back later.
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Morning all
Back, but now my anc**try isn't working ...why do these things happen on one's own hunt !! :(
deb
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i dont think your the only one having problems there are a couple of threads on here - and mine didnt work for my hunt :-\
Ann Short Gould
where does the Short come from?
thats bugging me
is there a marriage for Ann Gould to MR Short and then a detah for MR Short but surely she would be Ann Short on remarriage ?
Maybe the S after Elizabteh is for Short ratehr than Sophia if they were continuing the famiyl naming trend
and Priscilla Belworthy aaarrrgghhh i cant find a record of her online either
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NA:
Letter concerning the removal of Priscilla Gould and her two children to North Molton 3594 A-99/PO 49/6 182[?]
:o
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Hi All,
Have you found Priscilla Belworthy in 1851?
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Deb that would be Priscilla nee Belworthy but her husband John Gould was born in North Molton what date is that letter ? he was around in 1851 so cant think they would have removed them before that
Sue
Ann Gould (and her sister Susan) were bp. Broad CLyst d.o John Gould and Priscilla nee Belworthy a few years earlier also at Broad clyst (in 1825) Priscilla Belworthy was bp. d/o John Belworthy and Prisicilla
now in 1841 this Priscilla (jnr) was with John Gould and wife Priscilla with Susan - no Ann
so obviously there appears to a be a family connection with all
but its so confusing that they are all called Priscilla and John an there is no mention of the name SHORT yet ?
i know not all children were bp. with their entire names but SHORT it seems so strange there is no other record of it (online) and its not a particulary common name like Mary for example
and there we have the problem ONLINE
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Ummm also trying to figure out the 'Short' middle name
found this marriage ...but too late for us and in next county ...
Susan Short Gould to either Valantine Durbin or George Smith
Dec q 1893
Clutton Somerset
OOOOOOO LOOK :
Death;
Ann Short Adams
b c 1828
died dec q 1891
age 63
Barnstaple Devon
5b 363
so it is her !!!!!
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Susan Gould = James Oliver
sept q 1852 St Thomas
in 1861
Silverton
Exeter rd
James Oliver 30 ag lab b Silverton
Susan wife 30 b BC
Ann 8 b Silverton
Jessie 5 "
Lily 2 "
1871 still at Exeter rd
James and Ann with daus Jessie and Lily
1881
Fore street Silverton
William Radford head wid 70 retired farmer
James Oliver lodger 50
Susan 49
Jessie Gould Oliver dau 25 unm paper mill hand
1901
Parsonage Lane
Susan Oliver head wid 74 pauper b BC
can't see her in 1891
ummmm maybe the 1901 Susan Oliver is not our Susan ...age is out!
deb
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You're doing well there Deb :D :D
Barbara
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Thanks Barbara
Have come quite a way since first post ...where everything was up the pole ;D ;D ;D
deb
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well done Deb for confirming he marriage - bu perhaps the certifiate wil help you with fathers names etc
it may help decide if Ann Short gould is Ann Gould d/o John Gould and Priscilla Belworthy
and see this Ann had a sister Susan and now we have a Susan Short Gould marrying in Somerset - thats ok
North Devon/Somerset not as far away as you think and really travel was no object back then
so is there a death for Susan Short Oliver?
or a Susan Short something else
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Ummm also trying to figure out the 'Short' middle name
found this marriage ...but too late for us and in next county ...
Susan Short Gould to either Valantine Durbin or George Smith
Dec q 1893
Clutton Somerset
so if Susan Short Gould didnt marry until 1893 where was she beforehand - is that Susan married to Mr Oliver Susan sibling of Ann
and why was Priscilla adams under order to return to North Molton when niether her or her children were born there only her husband who most probably had died by then thats why she calimed parish relief and thats why the parish said she wasnt from that parish and so couldnt claim from there
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in any case it seems that Ann Short Gould had a sister Susan
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Have we got Anns marriage?
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1841. Crediton Devon
John Clarke 35 y
Betsey 30 y
George 12 y = 1829
Mary 5 y
Next door. ......William Morrish 21 y
Next door again... Ann Belworthy 20 y
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Ok...... Hope im on right track here ;D
John Gould b 1796, have we got a death for him. If not could this be him?
1871 RG10 / 2181 / 58 / 17
William Bragg head age 55 b Devon, occ ag lab
Ann Bragg wife age 48 b Devon
John Gould lodger, wid, age 75 b Devon, occ ag lab
Address Heasley Mill, North Molton
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Am i on right track Deb ??? So confused with what we need again ;D
Looked up William Bragg marriage ::)
Dec 1843 William Bragg, others on page Peter Bird, Catherine Burgess, John Burgess,
Ann Gould, Elizabeth Gould, Elizabeth Gould and William Mole.
Married at South Molton.
This has confused me even more so if its not connected to your family fine ;D ;D ;D
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:D Check out batch C050743 Crediton Devon. Clarke.
Has quite a few of our first names.
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all we know for sure is that Ann Short Gould who calimed to have been born in Broad Clyst in 1829 m. Thomas Adams
so i looked and found a bp. for an Ann Gould (no Short) d/o John Gould and Priscilla Belsworthy in 1828 and a sister Susan (again no Short) bp. in 1830
so thinking this ANn p.o.b and y.ob matches with Ann Short Gould ho m. Thomas Adams i elaborated slightly on her
so Anns parents were John Gould b. North Molton 1791 and Priscilla Belsworthy who was b. 1788 (T?)allerton - although no bp has been found - is thsi due to lack of PR's online?
John & Priscilla m. 25 Dec 1827 in Broadclyst
confusingly there is also a John Belsworthy and Priscilla having children - namingly Priscilla in 1825 also in Broadclyst
presumably these are relations to Priscilla who m. John Gould - but i have not confirmed anything there
so we have John Gould and ife Priscilla in 1841 with daughter Susan and Priscilla Belsworty (the one bp. 1825)
and again in 1851 John Gould is with wife Priscilla and daughter Susan
Deb found a letter re the removal of a Priscialla Adams and two children on TNA bac to North Molton
now this looks to be 'our'Priscilla but who are the two daughters?
Ann has been in service well since we can fnd on the 1841 census (&1851) and married by 1853
Susan is seems is living with her mother
but the other ??
and John where is he?
usally these removal orders were issued if a claim was made for parish relief no longer being able to support themselves and if they did not belong to the arish tha the parish can insist they were returned from whence they came
with no mention of John i assumed (very dangerous) that h had died and the parish was removing Priscilla back to her home parish (although North Molton was Johns home parish and not Priscillas) so that she could claim relief there - for her and her two daughters
so we need to look for Priscilla Gould and her daughter Susan after 1851 and also ascertain Johns death
but cruically we need to discover where the name SHORT comes from .
added:~
there appears to be 2 John Gould deaths in the Barnstaple reg district 1851-1861
i have not yet looked for him in 1861
Q2 1854 Gould John Barnstaple 5b 293
Q21858
Gould John Barnstaple 5b 332
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;D You've finished Hallow'een treating then Toni.
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;D You've finished Hallow'een treating then Toni.
i hate it - wanted to get back asap
wanted to have a party instead for the kids and an excuse to dress up myself but nothing doing - no money left it too late and all that
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NA:
Letter concerning the removal of Priscilla Gould and her two children to North Molton 3594 A-99/PO 49/6 182[?]
:o
the 182(?)
refers to to the year :o
its held at Devon RO ::)
you can order it online but theres a catch ::)
Open : M-F 10-6 No documents produced after 4.45 Two Saturdays per month 9.30-12.30
here is the link to the site
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/archon/searches/locresult_details.asp?LR=27
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North Molton is on IGI
this is where John Gould calimed to be born in 1791
guess waht
no John bp.s in 1791
1796 though and 1786 or 1796
now his wife Priscilla climed to be born 1788
so why would he lie about his age if he was born 1786 - unless he simply didnt know but assuming he is younger thanhis wife i would plump for the 1796 one but obviously dont take this as absolute
so John Gould bp 31.07.1796 s/o John & Ann
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it seems John bp. 1796 also had a sister Mary bp. 17 May 1798
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apologies for not being here sooner ...have been doing the halloween candy run-a-round .... will catch up
thanks for sticking with me on this one
deb :-*
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The Adams family on Halloween ;D
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So is this them in 1861?
RG09 / 1385 / 61 / 17
John Gould head age 65 b North Molton, occ ag lab
Priscilla wife age 73 b Broad Clist
Address Village, Broadclist
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woo hoo just discovered Talaton is on IGI - :)
but no Belsworthy's ::)
and only one Gould - Nicholas so marrying in brides parish did not apply -
what a i talkign about they marriedin Broadclyst that we have already 1827
so where did Priscilla really come from ?
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So is this them in 1861?
RG09 / 1385 / 61 / 17
John Gould head age 65 b North Molton, occ ag lab
Priscilla wife age 73 b Broad Clist
Address Village, Broadclist
yes thats them Sue
i hope Deb thinks it is the right family
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NA:
Letter concerning the removal of Priscilla Gould and her two children to North Molton 3594 A-99/PO 49/6 182[?]
:o
and why was Priscilla adams under order to return to North Molton when niether her or her children were born there only her husband who most probably had died by then thats why she calimed parish relief and thats why the parish said she wasnt from that parish and so couldnt claim from there
ToNi it was Priscilla Gould in the removeal orders not Priscilla ADAMS!
still rereading
deb
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Well if thats them Deb i can find no Priscilla Gould after 1861 and the John Gould i posted on
previous page fits with age. ???
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hi
Found Susan S Gould (mistranscribed as Gorla) in 1891
she is a servant aged 19 b Midsomers Norton and is working for the beauchamp Family at Norton hall
will try to trace her back to see who she belongs to ... with the name Susan SHORT GOULD she has to belong to us ...
deb :)
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so she must bethe one who married in 1893
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oooo
John Belworthy + Priscilla Periam
Extacted.... 5/8/1811 Broadclyst
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yep ...i think so Toni
In 1881 she (9yrs) is in Somerset still with parents ,,, Joshua 40 and eliza 38 both born Somerset ...we have to trace this back ....
her sibs;
Thomas 14
henry 13
William 7
Herbert 4
Francis 1
Frederick 1
all born Midsomers Norton
deb
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wow
they must be the couple that had a daughter Priscilla in 1825
here is Susan Short Goud in 1881
Clutton Midsommers Norton Somerset
Joshua Gould 40 coal miner b. Midsommers Norton Somerset
Eliza 38 (everyone b. do.)
Thomas 14 coalminer
Henry 12 coal miner
Susan 9
William 7 scholar
Herbert 4 scholar
Francis 1
Frederick 1
RG11; 2428; 24; 15;& 16
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snap Deb ;D
two doors up t'road in Midsommers Norton
(is that where Midsommers murders is filmed with Bergerac)
George Gould 42 coal miner b. Midsommers Norton
lydia wife 41 b. Compton ......
Martha Ann daughter b. MN (as is everyone)
Isaac son 14 coal miner
Harriett 12 daughter scholar
George Son 10 do.
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1871 RG10 / 2472 / 74 / 12
Joshua age 30
Eliza age 28
Emily age 6
Tom age 4
Henry age 2
Address Milk Street, Midsomer Norton
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ah ha
;D
Marriages Q3 1863 Clutton 5c 1025
Gould Joshua
SHORT Eliza
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Incase you want 1861
RG09 / 1680 / 12 / 19
Joseph Gould head age 55, b Ashwick, Somerset, occ coalminer
Harriet wife age 54, b Midsomer Norton
Joshua son unmarried age 20 b Ashwick, occ coalminer
John son age 15 b Ashwick, occ coalminer
Address 3 Catleys Buildings, Clapton Tithing, Midsomer Norton
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Well Done Toni ;D ;D ;D
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Thanks Toni
was going through that Family and back in 1851 there is a whole 'Clan; of them all born Somerset ....
deb
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Phew... ;D ;D Thank goodness for that... Well done Toni.. 8)
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is that coincidence then ?
where does Ann get her name from?
how far is Talaton to the Somerset Border
and Midsommers Norton to the Devon?
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;D ;D T/Coffee break.... Can you summarize for me to add to tree.
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so they don't belong to us then ::) although as you said ...North devon and somerset border each other ....maybe they are related wayyyyyyyyy back LOL
I need to reread again ... have lost track of the Adams/goulds and who is who
deb ...almost time for the Halloween walk-a-bout ... I can't stand Halloween either Toni .... ::) >:(
Thanks Sue and Les ... eek need a summary I think
deb
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where was Thomas Adams in 1841 ?
he would be 12
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so Thomas Adams m. cert to Ann Short Gould would give his fathers name
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so looking a Thomas
as Tawstock is not on IGI and Devon has no online OPC i have tried to search outside the box and entered in Adams male b. 1825 +/- 10 yrs Tawstockonly
these are the results
1851 John b. 1816 HO107; 1893; 601; 13;
1861 do. : RG9; 1495; 11; 15;
1871 do. (although he is a wee bit younger it is the same John - family members and all that ) RG10; 2192; 18; 28;
& William b. 1821 (so where was he born in previous years) RG10; 2183; 65; 22;
1891 John again RG12; 1780; 42; 5; (with edwin Black Adams aged 7- had to smile reminded me of Edmund Blackadder ;D )
and where is Thomas ?
ah ha here he is in 1901
1901 - Thomas b. 1829 stepafterh to the Petherbridges - does that mean father in law or actual Stepfather ?
RG13; 2153; 32; 3.
what directories are there pre-1841 ?
for Tawstock specifically but also for Boradclyst to search the Gould side
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ESP Toni :)
was just thinking what certs I need to confirm all of this and to go back further ... if that's possible ...
deb
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1850 seems to be the earliest directory for Tawstock
:-\
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was Thomas Adams actually bp. Torrington? - not Tawstock
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'ah ha here he is in 1901
1901 - Thomas b. 1829 stepafterh to the Petherbridges - does that mean father in law or actual Stepfather ?
RG13; 2153; 32; 3'
Toni ...he is with his daughter and son in law ...
arrghh can't remember which dau
deb ...may need to bring tree forward
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Toni
I posted this earlier
censuses for Thomas Adams b 1829
1901
aged 72 widow with dau and sil ...Thomas and mary Jane Petherbridge
Thomas = b TAWSTOCK
1891
Thomas = 63 b Torrington
Ann = 62 Tawstock
1881
Thomas = 52 b Torrington
Ann = 51 b Tawstock
mary J dau = 25 b Tawstock
1871
Thomas = 42 b Little Torrington
Ann = 41 Tawstock
WILLIAM = 18 b Tawstock (= Elizabeth Sophia Clark/e)
mary J = 15 b Tawstock
1861
Thomas = 32 b Great Torrington
Ann 31 = Tawstock
William = 8 Tawstock
Mary J = 6 Tawstock
1851
Ann Gould = unm ser 22 b Tawstock
Thos Adams = 22 sin b Great Torrington
1841 ?
wish Thomas would make up his mind as to where he was born
deb
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did he only have one daughter ? Mary J ?
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ok so it wasnt until 1901 he decided he was b. Tawstock perhaps his memory was going abit and he was actually born Torrington either great or little
they are only about 2.6 miles apart
Now Torrington that smy part of the country lol
my Beers were from there ;D well the next parish
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Link to Devon Parishes
http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/pmdevon.pdf
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Les ..can you bring the tree forward?
Thanks doll
deb :)
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so looking a Thomas
as Tawstock is not on IGI and Devon has no online OPC i have tried to search outside the box and entered in Adams male b. 1825 +/- 10 yrs Tawstockonly
what directories are there pre-1841 ?
for Tawstock specifically but also for Boradclyst to search the Gould side
ok so repeating this exercise for b. Torrington
and still the directories only begin with Slaters in 1852 :-\
when Thomas wasn't there - was he :-\
1841 -
1851 Thomas HO107; 1893; 615; 13; &
Wm b. 1817 Torrington also residing in Tawstock (like Thomas) HO107; 1893; 615; 12
1851 (Wales) John b.1826 HO107; 2466; 502; 33;
1861 Wm (RG9; 1496; 68; 10; )& Thomas ( RG9; 1496; 71; 15;)both as before still in Tawstock
John b. 1831 RG9; 1396; 75; 34;
John b.1821 1501: 1; 2;
Richard b. 1824 RG9; 1411; 52; 21;
1871 John b.1821 RG10;: 2198;: 43; 13;
John b.1825 RG10; 2069; 13; 19;
Richard b. 1824 RG10; 2087; 52; 96;
Thomas b. 1829 RG10; 2193; 64; 4;
1881 John b.1821 Richard b. 1824 Thomas 1829 William 1816
1891 John 1821 Thomas 1829 William 1817
1901 John b. 1821
in the latter two census John is listed as father in law
have to go and watch Gordon Ramsey
bk later
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Toni
1871
4 Cottage Harracott
Tawstock
Thomas Adams head mar 42 railway platelayer b Little Torrington
Ann wife 41 b Tawstock
William son 18 unm b Tawstock
Mary J dau 15 unm scholar b Tawstock = Petherbridge
William Adams = Elizabeth Sophia Clark/e... they are the parents of my Mary Jane Adams who married Francis Mitchell Waterfield
deb
added ,...sorry toni misread your question as to Thomas having only one daughter ... yes one daughter and one son ... I was thinking that you asked if he only had one child :-\
did he only have one daughter ? Mary J ?
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:o The music for Midsommer Murders is on the radio as I post..... spooky :o
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Thanks les ... :-*
I keep hearing the song for 'the Adams family" ... ;D
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Snippet for Broadclyst 1641... Note the names.. Adams Gould Periam...
http://www.devonheritage.org/Places/Broadclyst/BClystProtestation1641.htm
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ooo Les ...the name CLARKE is also there
deb
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Marriages Jun 1852
Barnstaple 5b 901
Adams Thomas
Gould Ann Short
Just reminding myself, where... :P
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Clarke is in Crediton going way back. I got to -1590.
If its our george b 1829.
Did you see my post earlier. ;D abt 3 hrs ago.... ;D
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does this help ?
http://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/parish_english/l.php
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this might help too
http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html
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Torrington Park Station opened in 1872
hmm wonder how may railway workers were there then
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searchable burial database for Torrington :)
http://www.torridge.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=2994
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another link
http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/GreatTorrington/
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::) Thunking.... :P :P
Deaths Mar 1850
CLARK James Henry Abelaid St Thomas 10 215
CLARKE Henry St Thomas 10 191
CLARKE James St Thomas 10 203
CLARKE Mary Ann Stoneman St Thomas 10 215
Deaths Jun 1850
CLARKE John St Thomas 10 181
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Births Mar 1850
Clarke Henry S Thomas 10 2[6]7
Births Jun 1850
Clarke Henry St Thomas 10 221
Births Sep 1850
Clark Anne Blackmore S. Thomas 10 239
Clark Fanny S. Thomas 10 239
Births Dec 1850
Clarke William St. Thomas 10 217
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Marriages Mar 1850
Bailey Elizabeth /Eliza Puddicombe
Clarke George St Thomas 10 341
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Ann Stoneman Clarke d/o James & Ann bapt 26 Dec 1812 Crediton......... ??? ???
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I am still here ...just ... it's almost time for the little horrors trick or treaters to come to our door ...
ummm good idea about looking at the railway stuff as William Adams b 1853 Tawstock seems to have come a long way in that business ...err what is a permanent way inspector anyway?
Need to open the INNE
debenem
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the Parish Church at Torrington is St Michaels - if you need to contact Devon RO and ask for some look ups thats the church to ask for
the parish church at Tawstock is St Peters and PR's go back to 1558
the church here is first appears in 1275ish
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in 1765 Benjamin Donn created a one inch to a mile survey of Devon
it might be worth having a look atthese maps to see where your ancestors were
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re William b. 1817 are we saying he is somehow related to Thomas b.1829 for certain or for certain as we can be ?
because he was bp. Torrington like Thomas and moved toTawstock the same time as Thomas
has the same surname as Thomas
i think he must be somehow
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:o Girlies.. What's about Mary Ann Stoneman Clark ??? 8)
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i havent followed the Clarkes at all Les and dont know what you are talking about
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William Adams = Elizabeth Sophia Clark/e... they are the parents of my Mary Jane Adams who married Francis Mitchell Waterfield
deb
Elizabeth Sophia Clark/e parents.... George Clarke and Elizabeth.
added. we couldn't find a marriage to go with first born MaryJane 1852.
;) Is this because the first child was Henry in 1850. Gives marriage of 1850.
The death of Henry is the same Mar 1850 as Mary Ann Stoneman Clarke reply 172 who just happens to have the same 'funny' name as the Ann Stoneman Clarke from Crediton.
We don't have a birth in St Thomas area for George Clarke.... but there is one in Crediton. 12 April 1829 s/o John & Elizabeth.... ???
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right i am with you right up to where you mention Mary Ann Stoneham Clark/e what does she have to do with it all ?
ps Stoneham is that from mothers maiden name way back ?
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1841. Crediton Devon
John Clarke 35 y
Betsey 30 y
George 12 y = 1829
Mary 5 y
Next door. ......William Morrish 21 y
Next door again... Ann Belworthy 20 y
Found it... :D
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;D ;D Come on Toni....don't leave me...
Mary Ann Stoneman Clarke is such an unusual name it had to be the same person.. don't you think :P :P
So her connection with Crediton must mean a connection for Clarke (St Thomas) & Clarke(Crediton)... wot say you. :P
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so if they married in 1850 then the 1851 census should show them together
and Morrish where have we had that name before ?
in a different hunt ?
isnt thomas admas the father of mary jane adams
if that 1841 census is correct than surely there were more chlidren in betwixt ?
Mary aged 5 is she the on whom married Francis Mitchell Waterfield
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is Mary ANn Stoneham Clarke & Ann Stoneham Clarke the same person ?
really Les you need to spell it out to me slowly as im completely lost
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Okies...Hang on...
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William Adams = Elizabeth Sophia Clark/e... they are the parents of my Mary Jane Adams who married Francis Mitchell Waterfield
deb
Elizabeth Sophia Clark/e parents.... George Clarke and Elizabeth.
added. we couldn't find a marriage to go with first born MaryJane 1852.
;) Is this because the first child was Henry in 1850. Gives marriage of 1850.
Marriages Mar 1850
Bailey Elizabeth /Eliza Puddicombe
Clarke George St Thomas 10 341
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right so
Elizabeth Sophia Clark/e d/o George Clark/e 7 Elizabeth (Bailey or Puddicombe)
this i get
then
George Clark/e s/o Mary ANn Stonehouse Clarke ???
is that right?
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::) ::) But where was Henry in 1851.... this is all supposition mind...... ;D ;D
::) Thunking.... :P :P
Deaths Mar 1850
CLARK James Henry Abelaid St Thomas 10 215
CLARKE Henry St Thomas 10 191
CLARKE James St Thomas 10 203
CLARKE Mary Ann Stoneman St Thomas 10 215
Deaths Jun 1850
CLARKE John St Thomas 10 181
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Births Mar 1850
Clarke Henry S Thomas 10 2[6]7
Births Jun 1850
Clarke Henry St Thomas 10 221
Births Sep 1850
Clark Anne Blackmore S. Thomas 10 239
Clark Fanny S. Thomas 10 239
Births Dec 1850
Clarke William St. Thomas 10 217
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Marriages Mar 1850
Bailey Elizabeth /Eliza Puddicombe
Clarke George St Thomas 10 341
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Ann Stoneman Clarke d/o James & Ann bapt 26 Dec 1812 Crediton......... ???
Annnnd because Mary Ann Stoneman Clarke is on the same Death page as that Henry March 1850..... Who the 'eck is she.... ???
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1841. Crediton Devon
John Clarke 35 y
Betsey 30 y
George 12 y = 1829
Mary 5 y
Next door. ......William Morrish 21 y
Next door again... Ann Belworthy 20 y
Found it... :D
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Henry cant died before he was born
died Q1 b. Q2 ???
Mary Ann Stoneham Clarke - no idea
i need to turn off and think about it Les
hopefully be online tomorrow
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::) Oh Flip.... born and died Mar 1850 :P :P
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Henry cant died before he was born
This has had me in hysterics ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I obviously need to reread ...not sure what the Stoneman part is ....
deb ...ever grateful :)
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and Morrish where have we had that name before ?
in a different hunt ?
Toni ...wasn't a different hunt , it was on the Cornwall board...Morris/h is my family too !!!!!!
Mabel Waterfield d/o Francis Mitchel Waterfield and Mary Jane Adams =My Nan
married
William George Middleton s/o Willaim Skinner Middleton and Annie Isabel Morris/H (she was born of Cornish stock LOL) = my granddad
So the Waterfield/Adams of Devon marry into the Middleton/Morris/h of Devon and Cornwall
deb
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Morning Deb :)
What do you want me to find ;D ;D
I can try but i wont promise ;D ;D
Why did i say morning when its afternoon ???
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Hi Sue
It's morning here ...so good morning ... ;D
I am not sure what we need ... I am reading Lesanne's info re the Stonehouse middlename ....
err need some coffee and will be back
deb
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Just trying to put this in some sort of order.
Thomas Adams b 1829 Torrington = Ann Short Gould b 1829/30 Tawstock
Ann Gould chr 27 April Broad Clyst d/o John Gould and Priscilla Belworthy who married
25 DEC 1827 Broad Clyst
But now ... is this our Ann Short Gould ??.... she insists through the censuses that she is b Tawstock 1829/30 . (Tawstock is not on IGI )
another daughter to this couple was Susan Gould ...also no mention of the 'Short' middle name; Susan married James Oliver ...all of their children are registered with the middle name Gould/Gold
the marriage cert is definitely needed to confirm her dad's name.
I am going to scout around in 1841 ...Torrington area to see what Adams are around
deb ... with a very jumbled brain this morning
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;D Morning all.....
Did you get John Belworthy to Priscilla Periam 5/8/1811 Broadclyst.
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Hi Les
yes saw that ... I'm just worried that Ann Gould does NOT equal Ann SHORT Gould :-\
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Hi
scrap this ...got confused with surnames ...was supposed to be looking for Thomas Adams ::) ::)
Found this in 1841
Merton , (reg district is Torrington)
In the household of William Roulcliff
Dorothy Gould 89 Ind
plus servants including;
Susanna Gould 16
Thomas Gould 12
deb
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Still going round in circles ...
just remembered that in 1851
Ann Gould 22 single was a servant
with her was John Gould 24 servant
both b Tawstock.
It seems that John Gould = Maria Jenkins June q 1856 Barnstaple. Is this Ann's Brother?
deb
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;D Trying every combo in IGI..... :(
We do have Thomas Adams - Ann Short ... do we ???
Oh yes ........ Okies Ann Short Gould...... 1852 Barnstaple....
Been doing the circles too and forgotten why.... ;D ;D ;D
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arrgghhhhh Les ....
Yep ...thomas Adams = Ann Short Gould
okay ...I am going to reread your posts re George Clarke's wife Elizabeth ..
Maybe the Clarkes will be easier ... ::) :P The Goulds are driving me nuts at the mo
deb 8)
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if Ann wasnt born Broadclyst then who was ?
i was sure you said she was b 1829 Broadclyst not Tawton
i am confused
yes Ann Short Gould may not be Ann Gould bp. 1828 Broadclyst
and i think only the marriage cert will help there
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Toni
My gr grandmother Mary Jane Adams d/o William Adams and Elizabeth Sophia Clark/e was b 1880 Broad Clyst/Clist
i think it's the Clarke side of the family that is Braod Clyst ... the Adams and Goulds are Torrington and Tawstock
deb
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censuses for Thomas Adams b 1829 and Ann Short Gould b 1829/30
1901
aged 72 widow with dau and sil ...Thomas and mary Jane Petherbridge
Thomas = b TAWSTOCK
1891
Thomas = 63 b Torrington
Ann = 62 Tawstock
1881
Thomas = 52 b Torrington
Ann = 51 b Tawstock
mary J dau = 25 b Tawstock
1871
Thomas = 42 b Little Torrington
Ann = 41 Tawstock
WILLIAM = 18 b Tawstock (= Elizabeth Sophia Clark/e)
mary J = 15 b Tawstock = Petherbridge
1861
Thomas = 32 b Great Torrington
Ann 31 = Tawstock
William = 8 Tawstock
Mary J = 6 Tawstock
1851
Ann Gould = unm ser 22 b Tawstock also with her is John GOULD 24 b Tawstock
Thos Adams = 22 sin b Great Torrington
1841 ?
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;D Oh yeah...... Thomas Clarke + Mary Gourd/e :P
Just one on my peculiar list.......... 22/5/1817 Stoke Damerel
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;) have you got this........
Deaths Dec 1891
Ann Short Adams 63 Barnstaple 5b 363
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Deb......Just noticed your wanting the sepia pic... where is it.. ;D
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Hi back again
No housework done ::) Lesanne the sepia pic is further down on the link ...first pic is the original ...ooo maybe the original B&W , actually more grey, is a good one for my avatar .... thanks
The death of Ann Short Adams is Ann Short Gould ... ;D
deb
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Okay ...working with the Clark/es
1861 Queens Sq, Broad Clyst RG9/1385 folio 53 pg 1
George Clarke head mar 30 ag lab
Elizabeth wife 30
Mary J dau 9
Elizabeth dau 6 = William Adams.... she is Elizabeth Sophia Clarke
all born Broad Clyst
so who is Elizabeth , the mum? ... Bailey or Puddicombe? or someone else
Someone, I think you did Lesanne, found George in 1841 with mum Betsey and dad ...err can't remember
will look
deb
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here is the 1841 one for George
1841. Crediton Devon
John Clarke 35 y
Betsey 30 y
George 12 y = 1829
Mary 5 y
Next door. ......William Morrish 21 y
Next door again... Ann Belworthy 20 y
Found it... :D
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no George Clarke
Elizabeth Puddicombe or Bailey bp. Broad Clyst
:-\
where to go now ?
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there is an Elizabeth Puddicombe bp the right time(to be her on the 1861 census) i.e. 1830 at Exeter though :-\
ELIZABETH PUDDICOMBE Birth: 17 AUG 1830
Christening: 16 SEP 1830 Combe Street The Tabernacle-Independent, Exeter, Devon, England
d/o JOHN PUDDICOMBE & MARY
also
Eliza bp. 30.11.1828 Bridford d/o Wm & Mary
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oh blow there are loads of Elizabeth Baileys born the right time too
;D
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on the non-conformist BMD
Adams Thomas 1827 Birth Devon this is the ref if you want to know
RG4 1215
it is very expensive site though
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Toni - where can I find the non-conformist BMD? I'm looking for some Norfolk ones.
Thanks
meles
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Hi Toni :)
Okay can't find a great fit for an Elizabeth Bailey in 1851 but there is an Elizabeth PUDDICOMBE
Tiverton
John Puddicombe 57 tinman and brazier b St Mary Exeter
Jane M wife 57 grocer b Surrey Kingston
Elizabeth unm 21 dressmaker b Tiverton
Hy Hill Spurway visitor 34 painter b Bampton
possible marriages for George Thomas with an Elizabeth on the page;
*Elizabeth Ball
Sep q 1850
Stoke Damerel
*Elizabeth Bailey
* Elizabeth Puddicombe
mar q 1850
St Thomas
*Elizabeth Taylor
sept q 1850
Axminster
deb
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Hi meles ;D nice to see you !!!!
gotta go our for a couple hours ... ::)
be back later
deb :)
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Hiya Deb. Sorry to but in on your thread, but I'm having trouble with my elusive non-coms! :)
meles
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??? Well, I'm blowed if I can even find the link. ::)
Perhaps they like the colour version................ 8)
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We lost internet in this area yesterday, just got it back so will read through :)
Hope we have no probs with it today ::)
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Meles
Non-conformistBMD
http://www.bmdregisters.co.uk/
searachable free but if you want to view anything
expensive
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What about this Elizabeth Bailey ( spelt Bealey ) b 1829 in Reg disrict Torrington ???
HO107 / 221 / 4 / 3
Parents John and Elizabeth, other children Maria age 20, John age 20, William age 15 and
Mary age 7 ::)
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;D Morning all... Have to catch up... back later
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Ok... What do we still need to find?
Going round in circles here ;D ;D
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Hello Sue, Those circles.... :o :P :P
Deb was leaning toward the parents of Elizabeth Sophia Clark/e 1855.
Believed to be George and Elizabeth.
with Mary J 1852 ~ Eliz Sph 1855~ Fred George 1866~ George Thomas 1874.
I did find a George in Crediton 1829 S/O John & Eliz.... a possible.
and a possible marriage is John Clarke & Elizabeth Mardon 1829 St May's steps Exeter.
One intriguing person is Mary Ann Stoneman Clarke... seems to be born in Crediton and died in ... St Thomas reg dist. in the same place as a Henry Clarke.
Could she be the link to Crediton for 'our' Clarke family in St Thomas..... ??? ???
Will be in and out today.
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Long shot but what about this George Clarke b 1831 in 1851 HO107 / 1867 / 413 / 3 ???
He is living with Addems family Christow, Devon says St Thomas district ???
Head of house is a Joseph Addems with wife Ann and their children, George is a servant.
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Hi Sue,
Coo... that looks a poss....
Do you have bp's & ages for Joseph and Ann Addems?
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Here it is Les but im not sure ???
Joseph Addems head age 26 b Bridford, Devon, occ farmer
Ann wife age 40 b Dunsford
Anna M dau age 9 b Bridford
Mary A dau age 8 b Bridford
Joseph son age 4 b Bridford
George Clark servant age 20 b Drewsteington, Devon ??? occ farm servant
William Densem servant age 19 b South Towton, occ farm servant
Mary Milford servant age 18 b Dunsford, occ house servant
James Gane servant age 12 b Christow, occ farm servant
Address Bowden, Chirstow
Dont know where these places are though ???
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Hi Deb,
Was getting lonely here ;D ;D
Not sure about family i posted ???
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Hi Sue
I had also seen the George with the Addems ( ;D) family ... I need a map as I am not sure where Drewsteignton is ....
I like your find of Elizabeth BEALEY ...have we followed her and her family up on 1861 ...just to make sure she isn't still with them.
Also Elizabeth Ball ...
possible marriages for George Thomas with an Elizabeth on the page;
*Elizabeth Ball added ... there is a possible for her aged 19 b Thorverton, in 1851
Sep q 1850
Stoke Damerel
*Elizabeth Bailey ... Possibly Elizabeth BEALEY in 1851 b Torrington
* Elizabeth Puddicombe .....Possibly Elizabeth Puddicombe b Tiverton in 1851
mar q 1850
St Thomas
*Elizabeth Taylor
sept q 1850
Axminster
I will check 1901 again to see if She is still born BC
deb :)
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Joseph Addems is alot younger than Ann.. 14ys ::) is this a 2nd mar: and George is a stepson/lodger
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http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/pmdevon.pdf
Devon parishes link.
There's a St Thomas in/next to Exeter.
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In 1861 Joseph Addems is age 46 and Ann is 50 ???
They are still in Christow with Joseph and Anna and 3 servants.
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does this site help ?
http://www.familytreeconnection.com/records/tax.html
its a bit later on :-\
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::) Looking for a father for 'our' George c1830ish.
1871 Gt Torrington, New Street.
RG10 2198 26 45
George Clarke 72 bp. Newton (b?)racey ??? =1799ish. ::)
Ann 56 Gt Torrington.
John L Gilbert 20 Stepson... Gt Torrington
Marriages.
George Clarke + Ann Gilbert Torrington 5b 962 Dec 1860
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are we certain its Elizabeth Sophia Clarke bc 1855 you are looking for ?
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Toni
My gr grandmother Mary Jane Adams d/o William Adams and Elizabeth Sophia Clark/e was b 1880 Broad Clyst/Clist
i think it's the Clarke side of the family that is Braod Clyst ... the Adams and Goulds are Torrington and Tawstock
deb
Here it is Toni. Deb has Mary Jane's birth cert.
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ok, so we are not just going on the Elizabeth S entry int he census then
its difficult this hunt
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;D Newton Tracey :P :P amap link......
http://www.devon.gov.uk/localstudies/110321/1.html
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I can't see them at the moment but I think Deb/ Sue has posted the censusii with Eliz S's... :P
Could do with pulling them forward....
Doing our food .. sunday workers will soon be here.
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try this site
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~footprints1/dev1/parishindex.htm
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also this site
http://www.uk-genealogy.org.uk/england/Devon/index.html
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Im still here, im lost again ;D
Agree with you Toni, it is a hard hunt ;D
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Hello Sue, Did you make a note of those census with Elizabeth Sophia on them.........
I've got to page 4... 8)
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Sorry no... ;D
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another possible marriage
William Adams dec qtr 1875 St Thomas vol 5b pg 73 with Elizabeth Sophia Clark the only other on the page.
OOOO just noticed that on the 1901
when William Adams is at 10 Bannawell street Elizabeth his wife has middle initial "S" , also in 1891 Elizabeth has initial that has been transcribed as an 'L" could be "S" ....
deb .... ;D
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[
Elizabeth Clarke dec qtr 1854 St Thomas vol 5b pg 47
I think this may be her mum;
Elizabeth Sophia Clark
mar q 1855
Exeter Devon
5b 82
deb
I think this is she in 1861:
Broad Clist, Devon
? Square
George Clarke H M 30 Ag lab
Elizabeth Clarke W M 30
Mary J Clarke D 9
Elizabeth Clarke D 6
All born in Broad Clist
RG9/1385/53/1
just checking ::)
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Guys
You have all been so great ... I just wonder why, that when it is my hunt, that the days are filled with things I HAVE to do and whenit's everyone elses hunt I have hours and hours free to scavenge ,,,, maybe Murphy's Law ... I hate Murphy ..whoever he was ;D ;D ;D ::)
It's latish Sunday evening here (had ...and I mean HAD to go for Linner (Lunch+dinner) with the in-laws ... I will try to pull together a summary ...
deb xxxxxx :)
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hi back
hope this helps a little ..... I know I only have one day left .... but maybe we can figure it out ... I will order certs to hopefully confirm and will let you know ...
I have summarised but onlu using what we know for sure ...or as sure as we can be ....
so here it is; I have had to spead it to more posts as I exceeded the allowed amount of words... oe something ...that's NEVER happened to me LOL ;D
My Nan, Mabel Waterfield, was the d/o Francis Mitchel Waterfield (b 1872 Tavistock) and Mary Jane Adams b 1881 Broadclyst, Devon.
Francis Mitchell Waterfield = Mary Jane Adams Dec q 1899 Tavistock, Devon.
1901
30 Bannawell Street, Tavistock
Francis M Waterfield 25 Petty Officer RN
Mary Jane 20 b Broad Clyst nee ADAMS
Winnifred M 11 months b Devonport
(Mabel and sisters still to be born)
1891
10 Bannawell street, Tavistock
William Adams head 38 permanent way inspector/L&SW Railway b Tawstock
Elizabeth L or S wife 36 b Broad Clyst nee Clarke
William 14 tool carrier of L&SWR b BC
MARY J 10 b BC ... my great grandmother! MJ Waterfield, mother of my nan , Mabel Middleton nee Waterfield...see avatar ... Mary Jane Waterfield nee Adams with her 7 :o girls ...Mabel sitting to the left of her on a stool/table ??
Edwin 8 b BC
Lucy 6 b BC
George 4 b BC
Selina 2 b Cornwall Launceston
Betram 2 months b Tavistock
In 1901 they are still at 10 bannawell st, with more children, Percy 8 and John 5. William, the dad still born TAWSTOCK and Elizabeth S Adams, the mum , born Broad Clyst.
Next door at 11 Bannawell st, ; is Elizabeth Sophia Adams nee Clarke's brother Frederick;
1901
11 Bannawell Street
Frederick G Clarke 31 sawyer on Railway/plate b BC
Rachel J wife 31 b Ide
Ernest G 10
Beatrice 6
Lily 5
Frederick H 7
Violet M 1
all children b Tavistock
1881
8 New Buildings Broad Clyst
Willm Adams 28 railway lab b TAVISTOCK = b 1853
Elizabeth wife 26 b BC = b 1855 nee Clarke
William 4 b BC
Mary Jane ADAMS 3 months b BC = Francis Mitchell Waterfield
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CLARK/E FAMILY:
George Clark/e b 1831 Broad Clyst/Bradninch/Silverton = Elizabeth ?? b 1831 Broad Clyst
children;
1. Mary J 1852 Broad Clyst = ??
2. Elizabeth CLARK/E b 1855 Broad Clyst = William Adams b 1853 Tawstock, in 1875
3. Frederick George b 1866 Broad Clyst = Rachel Jane Winsor(b 1876 BC) in 1890 Exeter ..he's living next door to his sis , Elizabeth in 1901..Bannawell St Tavistock!
4.George b 1874 Broad Clyst = Mary Jane W Port b 1878 Ugborough, in 1890 Exeter
note 1871 census William gevas 50 boarder b Rewe with them
census info;
1871
260 High St, Exeter RG10/2068 folio 60 pg 12
Elizabeth Connett wife mar 55 trunk & portmanteau maker b. St Thomas
Elizabeth Clark 16 domestic servant b. Broadclist = William Adams
1861
Queens Sq, Broad Clyst RG9/1385 folio 53 pg 1
George Clarke b 1830 Broad Clyst
Elizabeth wife 30 b BC
Mary J dau 9 b BC
Elizabeth dau 6 b BC ...this is Elizabeth Sophia =William Adams
Possible marriage; thanks to Lesanne;
Marriages Mar 1850
Bailey Elizabeth
Clarke George
Puddicombe Eliza ...note Eliza not Elizabeth
Now George's wife always refers to herself as Elizabeth and not Eliza ... Sue aka jamajo found an Elizabeth Bealey in 1851:
"What about this Elizabeth Bailey ( spelt Bealey ) b 1829 in Reg disrict Torrington
HO107 / 221 / 4 / 3 = Parents John and Elizabeth, other children Maria age 20, John age 20, William age 15 and Mary age 7"
1851:
Rectory Cottage, Silverton HO107/1888 folio 96 pg 9
George Clark 20 ag servant b. Bradninch
1841; George Clarke; a 9 year old in Silverton HO107/226/12 folio 9 pg 13
OR
1841 ;
1841. Crediton Devon
John Clarke 35 y
Betsey 30 y
George 12 y = 1829
Mary 5 y
Next door. ......William Morrish 21 y
Next door again... Ann Belworthy 20 y
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ADAMS FAMILY :
censuses for Thomas Adams b 1829 Torrington/tawstock and Ann Short Gould b 1830 Tawstock
1901
aged 72 widow with dau and sil ...Thomas and Mary Jane Petherbridge
Thomas Adams = b TAWSTOCK
Ann Short Adams nee Gould has died by then:
Death;
Ann Short Adams nee Gould
b c 1828
died dec q 1891
age 63
Barnstaple Devon
5b 363
1891
Thomas Adams= 63 b Torrington
Ann Adams nee Gould = 62 Tawstock
1881
Thomas Adams = 52 b Torrington
Ann nee Gould= 51 b Tawstock
Mary J dau = 25 b Tawstock = James Petherbridge
1871
4 Cottage Harracott
Tawstock
Thomas Adams head mar 42 railway platelayer b Little Torrington
Ann wife 41 b Tawstock nee Gould
William Adams son 18 unm b Tawstock= Elizabeth Sophia Clark/e b 1855 BC
Mary J dau 15 unm scholar b Tawstock = Petherbridge
1861
Tawstock
Hilarew?
Thomas Adams head 32 ag lab b Great Torrington
Ann Adams wife 31 b Tawstock ...nee Gould
William son 8 b Tawstock = Elizabeth Sophia Clarke
Mary Jane 6 b "
1851:
Tawstock
Rollston
Peter Cowan Land agent and Family plus
John GOULD 24 unm groom Stable Lad B Tawstock
ANN GOULD 22 Unm ser B TAWSTOCK
{on same Page; amended
Elizabeth Mary GOULD wid 67 spinster b tawstock
Mary Elizabeth dau unm 16 glover b Tawstock
could they be related to Ann ? } = Maybe a good idea to follow up on these Goulds ;
Elizabeth Mary bc 1784 b Tawstock
John Gould bc 1827 b Tawstock
Mary Elizabetb Gould bc 1835 b Tawstock
can we find the 'SHORT' name anywhere for them?
1851; from Osprey
1851 Thomas Adams is a servant on farm belonging to Lovering family at Week, Tawstock HO107/1893 folio 615 pg 13...in 1901 Thomas the 'step father in the Petherbridge household is on the same page as a Lovering's farm.
1841 ?
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Mabel Waterfield D/o Francis Mitchell Waterfield and Mary Jane Adams b 1880 BC
Mary Jane ADAMS (1880) d/o William Adams (1853 Tawstock) & Elizabeth Sophia Clark/e (1855 BC)
William ADAMS (1853) s/o Thomas Adams (1830 Torrington) & Ann Short Gould (b 1830 Tawstock)
Elizabeth Sophia Clark/e (1855, BC) d/o George Clark/e (1830 BC) and Elizabeth ?? (b 1830 BC) possibly Bailey?
Certs are def needed to go further back ...arrggggghhhhh
This statement I made on page one has come back to haunt me ......
at this rate I'll be back to the 1600's in 10 minutes .....
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following up on the Goulds ; see 1851 census on the same page as Ann Gould ser and John Gould serv
Elizabeth bc 1784 b Tawstock
John Gould bc 1827 b Tawstock
Mary Gould bc 1835 b Tawstock
Okay couldn't find anything and then rechecked the 1841 arrggghhhhh
I had made a mistake, a biggie ::) :P :-[
Mary Gould = 1784
Elizabeth Gould = 1835
still can't see Mary =1784 but here is a John 1828 and
and an Elizabeth 1837
1841;
Tawstock
William Gould 41 Y
Mary 41 Y
JOHN 13 Y
ELIZABETH 4
ummm still not right
were the heck are they??
deb ...getting really really frustrated ... ::)
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In 1841 there is an ANN SHORT with parents John, 25 and Mary 23, living in Tawstock ...she is 9 = bc 1832ish but there is something funky abover her age ...cannot make it out ...wonder if someone could check ...
HO107/221 19 Fol: 7pg 8
I cannot find an Ann GOULD b 1829/30 Tawstock !
need sleep ...12;03 Monday
deb 8)
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The same is over the 4th down from Ann......Martha Brown. Still trying to work it out.
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And Mary Foslett under Martha Brown............could it be something like 2/12 and 6/12?
Or 2/W.........9/W
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Aha..........could it be 9 Mo.........as in 9 months??
OK, I'll stop guessing now.... ::)
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In 1841 there is an ANN SHORT with parents John, 25 and Mary 23, living in Tawstock ...she is 9 = bc 1832ish but there is something funky abover her age ...cannot make it out ...wonder if someone could check ...
HO107/221 19 Fol: 7pg 8
I cannot find an Ann GOULD b 1829/30 Tawstock !
need sleep ...12;03 Monday
deb 8)
just athought about this
maybe ANn was born ANn Short but her mother remaired a Mr Gould ?
can we find a SHort / Gould marriage (other than the one in Somerset?)
also Elizabeth Sphia Clarke birth cert will should give her mothers maiden name
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;D Morning peoples.
Had a look for Mary Short marriage 1841-1852..
Hmmm ...quite a few. Nothing much jumps out
Mar 1844 Exeter......
Mary Ann Short (on same page as) John Clarke ::)
Sept 1846 Crediton........
Mary Ann Short (ospa) Harriet Gould ;)
This one looked a bit dodgy, as the ref above it was missing and similar.
Run the scan and all appears ok with 2nd run. The 1st run is the page before... ;)
Oh and Harriet with tt not t.
T break methinks.... ;D ;D
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Les i really don't know what to suggest for Ann Gould other than the marriage cert
she clearly marries and dies with the Short middle name
the marriage cert wil give us both Thomas and Anns fathers names
unless of course they were illgitimate
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Hi All,
Deb...... The Bealey family i found was from 1841 and it looks like i missed off another
child ??? Between William and Mary there is an Elizabeth age 12 b 1829 :)
Sorry about that folks.
Will be on and off today but will try and help ;D ;D
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Oh......Ignore last post just re read ::)
Deb had already wrote Elizabeth should be 1841 though :)
Cant be awake yet ;D ;D ;D
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;D ;D ;D Sue Elizabeth would be 11yrs at the birth of Mary Jane if bc 1841.....
Mary Jane Clarke 1852
Can you post the 1841 ref. It looks like I can get into Anc*** today.... :D
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What about this Elizabeth Bailey ( spelt Bealey ) b 1829 in Reg disrict Torrington ???
HO107 / 221 / 4 / 3
Parents John and Elizabeth, other children Maria age 20, John age 20, William age 15 and
Mary age 7 ::)
Found it page 15 8)
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Had a right job trying to find it. :-\ Found it with (William Bealey 15)
Bealey/Bailey. 1841.
Roborough.
High Bickton. Sub dist.
Torrington. Reg Dist.
Fremington. Hundred.
John 50 Y
Elizabeth 45 Y
Maria 20 Y
John 20 Y
William 15 Y
Elizabeth 12 Y
Mary 7 Y
Added... Possible marriage: John Bailey + Betsey King 22/9/1819 Stoke Dameral.
B No: M052421
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Hi all
Back again with my coffee , trying to wake up ...couldn't get to sleep last night for thinkijng of this hunt ....arrrghhhhh ...i must be addicted :o 8)
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Morning Deb... You're up early.... ;D
There's no obvious daug Elizabeth Bealey/Bailey for this couple on IGI.... :-\
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Maybe it's too early for me ... can't find the Bailey/bealey peeps in 1851
deb
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HO 107 1894 132 12
1851 Roborough. Bealey Family.
John 61
Elizabeth 60
John 30
William 25
Elizabeth 21 unm ??? Yikes..... ???
Mary 17
Elizabeth Blackman 6 (Gran d, Gt Tor)
Next door Ann Bealey 11 Matilda 13?
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Hi Back
ooo Lesanne ...so Elizabeth Bealey is not married by 1851? oooopppsss ::) :-\
Okay what about this ....
re;
George Clark/e b 1831 Broad Clyst/Bradninch/Silverton = Elizabeth ?? b 1831 Broad Clyst
children;
1. Mary J 1852 Broad Clyst = ??
2. Elizabeth CLARK/E b 1855 Broad Clyst = William Adams b 1853 Tawstock, in 1875
3. Frederick George b 1866 Broad Clyst = Rachel Jane Winsor(b 1876 BC) in 1890 Exeter ..he's living next door to his sis , Elizabeth in 1901..Bannawell St Tavistock!
4.George b 1874 Broad Clyst = Mary Jane W Port b 1878 Ugborough, in 1890 Exeter
Okay ...Long shot here
What If George was married prior to Elizabeth or their first child was out of wedlock.
Their first child Mary J b 1852 BC
then Elizabeth Sophia Clarke b 1855 BC
There is a marriage of a George Clark = Elizabeth Saunders 1854 StThomas.
In the 1841 and 1851 censuses we find
1841, Broad Clist = Elizabeth Saunders 10 with parents Joseph and Jane and sibs (one of them having the name Sophia)
1851 Broad Clist = Queens Square, Elizabeth Saunders still with mum dad and sibs
(was it the Clarkes or Adams that always lived in Queen Suare BC ?)
Now looking for births ...we find Elizabeth Sophia Clark in Exeter 1854 ...I can't spot a really good Mary Jane Clarke b 1852 ...
deb with thinking cap on ;D
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1891
George and Elizabeth Clarke = BC QUEEN SQUARE
1881
George and Eizabeth Clarke with sons Frederick and George = BC, 1 QUEENS SQUARE
1871
Still at QUEENS SQUARE , BC
ooooooooooooooooooooooo ;D ;D ;D
1861
QUEENS SQUARE, BC
George Clarke 30
Elizabeth Clarke 30
Mary J 9
Elizabeth 6
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Joseph SAUNDERS :o 63 carpenter wid .... Elizabeth Saunders dad was Joseph and a carpenter
John 20
edward 18
(Elizabeth Saunders' sibs)
;D ;D
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;D Births Sep 1853
SAUNDERS Mary Jane Bideford 5b 473
What you reckon.... ??? ???
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1851 mistranscribed as Landers
BC, Queens Square
Joseph SANDERS head 49 Carpenter
Jane Mary wife 48
ELIZABETH 19 house serv b BC
Joseph 14
john 10
Charles 8
Edwin 6
James Wood father in law wid 76 navy Greenwich Pensioner
what do you think??
deb
ooo Les .... ;D
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:o 8) Looks kewl to me... and Jane Mary's dad, Mr Wood...... at last a presi for you.... ;D
Who's gonna find him in the NA list's first.... race ya..... ;D ;D
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hee hee
;D
ps that coffee sure does work LOL
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1841
BC
Joseph Sanders carpenter 45 again transcribed as Landers
Jane 38
Maria 20
Sophia 17
Elizabeth 10
Caroline 7
Joseph 5
John 2
Charles 1
one page back
William CLARK 47 pen.
deb
PS ..could never find a marriage for Mary Jane Clark/e maybe she married under Saunders/Sanders
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Hmmmmmm there's an Isaac Woolacott ospa a Mary Jane Sanders Torington...
Did we get Isaac B4 ::)
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i really have lost the plot
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1841
BC
James Wood 65 ag lab
Jane 65
William 25 shoe maker
Mary 24
Sarah 2
assuming that William amd mary are married with dau Sarah.
IGI has christenings for James and Jane Wood , Broad Clyst ...why can't I find my other BC peeps? :(
ummm will look for them ...no idea about an Isaac
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Toni
I found a Marriage for George Clark = Elizabeth Saunders in 1854 ...this is after first dau Mary Jane was born ....
Elizabeth Sophia Clarke is also their dau and born in 1855 ....
So we think Mary Jane is Ilegit ...as we can find Elizabeth Saunders in 1841 and 1851 b BC ...which fits with Elizabeth b 1830 who is with George in all subsequent censuses ... always living in QUEEN SQUARE in the 1861 census Joseph Saunders f/o Elizabeth is living in same house
1861
QUEENS SQUARE, BC
George Clarke 30
Elizabeth Clarke 30
Mary J 9
Elizabeth 6
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Joseph SAUNDERS 63 carpenter wid .... Elizabeth Saunders dad was Joseph and a carpenter
John 20
edward 18
(Elizabeth Saunders' sibs
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okay with you now, what do you want me to look for?
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Just gonna set up a few 'housework' props.... ;D ;D I'll be back.
Pensioner James Wood.... Hmmm 1798 ish... ;)
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James Wood greenwich Pensioner ...Lesanne he was bc 1775 BC ;D
Joseph saunders was bc 1798
deb ...who has to really really do real housework ;D
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okay
so we have James Wood (1775,BC) = Jane??
they had;
James Wood = 02 DEC 1798 Broad Clyst
John Wood = 23 NOV 1800 Broad Clyst
William Wood = 06 AUG 1816 Broad Clyst
Jane Mary Wood = 22 JAN 1803 Broad Clyst she married Joseph Saunders , The carpenter..they had ;
* Elizabeth Saunders (1830) = George Clarke (1830)
they had ;
* Elizabeth Sophia Clarke (1855) = William Adams (1853)
they had;
* Mary Jane Adams (1880) = Francis Mitchell Waterfield (1878)
they had;
* Mabel Waterfield = William George Middleton
who had my dad who had ME!!!!
wooopeeee ...broke the 1800 barrier , the first time with this lot ;D
umm who did James Wood b 1775 Marry ...Jane ??
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Possible to a Jane Slade 11/12/1796 Lympestone...... where's that? M051321
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James Wood m. Sarah Virtles 02 May 1775 Broad Clyst
James Wood m. Mary Brooke 15 Oct 1819 BC
so James & Sarah could be parents of James who had James, John, William & Jane Mary
in turn James b,. 1798 m. amry Brooke
i would presume from this that Jane who m. James bp 1775 was no OTP
it was usual to marry in the birdes home parish
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children of Joseph Sa(u)nders and Jane - BC
ELIZABETH SANDERS -01 JUL 1831
JOHN SANDERS - 31 DEC 1837
EDWIN WOOD SANDERS 11 JUN 1843
MARIA SANDERS - 27 JAN 1822
JOSEPH SANDERS - 04 MAR 1827
JOSEPH SANDERS - 25 DEC 1835
CAROLINE WOOD SANDERS -23 MAR 1834
SOPHIA SANDERS - : 09 MAY 1824
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oo thanks Toni
thanks Les and err I have no idea where Lympestone is :-\ :-\
I can't find James Wood's Chelsea pensioners stuff on NA :-\ :-\
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re William Wood bp 1816
so he has a duaghetr Sarah aged 2 in 1841
and a wife mary
so i looked for a Marriage and found
Marriages Jun 1838 Exeter 10 173
BULL Sanders
CLARKE Mary
Delve Jane
GOVIER John
MONSLEY Charles
SANDERS Mary Wright
THOMAS Sarah
WOOD William
and a possible to Mary Rose ;D in Q3 1838 Tiverton 10 373
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can you believe these two surnames together ...from NA
William Saunders apprenticed to Joseph Gould 3594 A-99/PO 51/72[Devon Record Office, Broadclyst Parish] Date: 1806.
:o :o :o
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Edwin Wood Sanders
(age out slightly on some fot hese census returns - nothing unusual)
1881
RG11; : 2145; 101; 5
1891
RG12; 1683; 104;5;
1901
RG13; 2036; 60; 9.
Deaths Q1 1907 St. Thomas 5b 49
Sanders Edwin Wood aged 63
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:o Is that apprenticeship in Doc's online... :P :P
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Admiralty: Service Records, Registers, Returns and Certificates ADM 6/229/2...James, Edward John Lloyd, Andrew McConnell, John McDonald, George Morris, David Perry, James Thomas, Thomas Ward, Robert Webster, Patrick Whelan, Robert Wilkins, James Wood Greenwich out-pensioners applying for admission into Greenwich Hospital as in- Date: 1822.
Source: The Catalogue of The National Archives Admiralty: Service Records, Registers, Returns and Certificates ADM 6/237/1...James Mason, William Parker, William Patten, William Pugsley, Joseph Shepherd, John Smith, William Smith, Charles Thomas, Charles Travess, John Wilson, James Wood Greenwich out-pensioners applying for admission into Greenwich Hospital as in-pensioners Date: 1830.Source: The Catalogue of The National Archives Admiralty: Service Records,
Registers, Returns and Certificates ADM 6/244/3...Roper, John Ryland, William Scarry, David Tabb, John Torrington, Mark Warman, John Weldon, Robert Weston, James Wood Greenwich out-pensioners applying for admission into Greenwich Hospital as in-pensioners (after service in the Royal Navy, Royal Marines Date: 1837.
Source: The Catalogue of The National Archives Admiralty: Service Records, Registers, Returns and Certificates ADM 6/226/1...John Kent, William Lewis, Michael McCabe, John Norman, Thomas Othello, William Richardson, Joseph Rogers, George Smith, John Watson, Thomas White, James Wood Greenwich out-pensioners applying for admission into Greenwich Hospital as in-pensioners (after Date: 1817.
Source: The Catalogue of The National Archives Admiralty: Service Records, Registers, Returns and Certificates ADM 6/227/6...Wilmore, James Wood, John Wright, William Young, John Armstrong, John Baxter Greenwich out-pensioners applying for admission into Greenwich Hospital as in-pensioners (after service in the Royal Navy, Royal Marines or the Naval Dockyards) Register of candidates Date: 1820.
Source: The Catalogue of The National Archives
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Can someone tell me what to look for please as im completely lost again ;D ;D
You have got on so fast, i only picked kids up and got them sorted and Blimey i dont know
whats what now ;D ;D
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Sue
we had a find .... George Clarke married Elizabeth Saunders
so we have James Wood (1775,BC) = Jane??
they had;
James Wood = 02 DEC 1798 Broad Clyst
John Wood = 23 NOV 1800 Broad Clyst
William Wood = 06 AUG 1816 Broad Clyst
Jane Mary Wood = 22 JAN 1803 Broad Clyst she married Joseph Saunders , The carpenter..they had ;
* Elizabeth Saunders (1830) = George Clarke (1830)
they had ;
* Elizabeth Sophia Clarke (1855) = William Adams (1853)
they had;
* Mary Jane Adams (1880) = Francis Mitchell Waterfield (1878)
they had;
* Mabel Waterfield = William George Middleton
who had my dad who had ME!!!!
I have to do some stuff ...really need to get out of PJ's (already 11;30 :o)
Is Tephra around ..to open next part or shall I do it?
not sure where we're headed at this stage Sue ... LOL
deb
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Do we have a bp for James Wood..
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/trafalgarancestors/results.asp
Will play with tree update.
Back later after dinner... or B4 ;D ;D
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les
Looked for a Jane Slade b c 1776 BC ... nothing
James Wood s/o James Wood
16 JUN 1776 Broad Clyst
a possible Marriage for his parents , From Toni
James Wood m. Sarah Virtles 02 May 1775 Broad Clyst
deb
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Jane Wood born c 1803.
James Wood/Jane Slade 11/12/1796 mar: not born :-\ oh I'm confuddled now.... ;D ;D
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ooo Lesanne
there's a Gould from Exeter and some Clarke/es from Exeter on the Trafalgar Link
ekkk We needefte a tree pleafe
I must get Dressed ..and I have just broken a tooth chomping on M&Ms
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Are you going to post part 2.....
I've gotta go to vet. Get the stitches out... appoint 5.30 so back abt 6.30ish.
If I post the tree we have then tell me what to add.... ;) ;)
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Ok..... Im gonna do address search for Broad Clist in 1841 see if i can find anything ;D
If it dont help or you dont need them ignore them ;D
Just gotta try and do something ;D
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There's a Mary Clarke age 15 b 1826 with a family called Snell, living at Barton Farm
Also found a Elizabeth Sanders age 21 b 1820 living with John and Mary Norris and several others
at Addle Hole Farm ;D
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Hi Sue
the Elizabeth Sa(u)unders we have is d/o of Joseph Saunders and Jane Mary Wood ...they have been often mistranscribed under the name La(u)nders ....
I am not sure what we need ...I have to do another Summary to add to the tree ... arghhh
I will be back in a bit ...Hope you can make sense of the last couple of pages ... ;D
deb :)
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Back from vets.. I'll wait for part 2... ;D ;D
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No problem Deb ;D ;D Still searching Broad Clist ;D
Im just doing this incase something turns up ;D
Here are a few more ive found but we may have had them already ;D
William Gould b 1816, wife Sarah b 1816 and aMary Gould living with family. No dob for Mary
Thomas Belworthy b 1811
Richard Clark b1765 and next door is Elizabeth Clark b 1822 and next to her Thomas Clark b 1797
Joseph Sanders b 1816 and wife Ann b 1821
Grace Clark b 1796, Jane Clark b 1826 and Nathl Clark b 1831
John Sanders b 1817
William Saunders b 1826 in same house as Thomas Clark b 1830
Made notes on these incase any of them may be useful ;D
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Hi
Link to part 2 ...trying to paint bathwoom as well LOL
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=338876.new
Thank you all soooooo much
deb :-*