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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: countryboy51 on Friday 18 July 08 09:37 BST (UK)
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Doing another line of my family history and have reached brick walls. Trying to find the history of relatives Michael Francis Emphield born not sure when probably in the 1880's but died in Fitzroy Vic Australia 1938. He was married to a Florence Emphield (nee Harding) who was born in Melbourne Vic not sure when married Michael around possibly late 1890's They had a daughter Elizabeth May Emphield about 1905 or so.
We are led to believe that Floence Harding was the daughter of a John Harding who married a lady with the surname of Leigh. This Leigh (First name unknown) was supposedly the daughter of a famous Engliush pottery maker'.
The only Leigh that I can find is a William Leigh co founder of the famous Burleigh Pottery at Stoke On Trent.in the 1850's or so that may have some association. At this stage I cannot find any connections anywhere.
Anyones help would be appeciated to back before Michael Emphield's time and during and after his time. All names mentioned are deceased
Cheers countryboy51
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Hi countryboy,
Here's a start....marriage of Michael Francis Jos Emphield born Melbourne to Florence HARDING born Liverpool in 1895.
Ref = 4968
....dee
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Tried spelling variations but I can't find a birth for Michael Francis Joseph EMPHIELD at all in Victoria.....
......dee
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Michael and Florence had a son, Harold James EMPHIELD, in 1899 in Orbost.
Ref = 5196
....dee
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Hi Dee
Thats very interesting as we thought Florence was born in Melbourne. There should probably be a record somewhere of her and or parents arriving by ship into Australia. By the same token Emphield is a very unusual surname in the picture of things and I cant find any record of Emphields coming into Australia
Cheers Allan
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Allan, there are the births of 3 more children plus Florence....would you like those details?
The marriage certificate of Michael and Florence may well tell you where they both came from. It is possible that whoever did the indexing confused the birth places. An Index is just that......an index done by people who make mistakes at times.
......dee
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Surname: EMPHIELD Michael Fran died in 1938 aged 62 reg no 1069 at Fitzroy
Parents unknown
Florence EMPHIELD died in 1956 aged 77 reg no 17337 at SALE
Father John Harding mother Florence unknown
Some of the couples children’s deaths
James George EMPHIELD died in 1958 aged 51 reg no 23189 at SALE
Harold James EMPHIELD died in 1971 aged 71 reg no 1073 at HEYF
Albert Francis EMPHIELD died in 1980 aged 84 reg no 18887 at ORBO
William Arthur EMPHIELD died in 1982 aged 79 reg no 01987 at ORBO
Digger - Death Index. Victoria 1921-1985
Jenn
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Maybe he was born overseas in UK and he and Frances came as a married couple? It is interesting that Michael lied on his WW1 army papers as he originally entered the army under the name of Francis Emphield from Orbost and did not list Florence as his nok. In the army files he later admitted that his real name was Michael Francis Emphield on a statdeck although he still didnt acknowledge to them that he had a wife Florence. The history from Arthur Emphield down is fairly clear
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dee
Some of the names of the children are interesting as they are unfamiliar to me
Cheers countryboy51
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Interesting to note that this couple is included on a couple of family trees one on Rootsweb and the other on Ancestry.com ( which you need a subscription to view)
You can only take them at face value but Florence Harding seems to be fairly well researched and there is no Leigh surname going back to 1700.
Micheal Francis Emphield seems to be a bit of a conundrum through, most likely as perhaps no marriage certificate was purchased to see in fact where he did come from, assuming he told the truth!!!!
Jenn
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Well...here are the births I've found so far, Allan.....
Elizth May EMPHIELD born 1905 in ORBOST
Ref = 12780
Flor EMPHIELD born 1911 in ORBOST
Ref = 31041
Jas Percival Geo EMPHIELD born 1908 in ORBOST
Ref = 5916
Wm Arth EMPHIELD born 1902 in ORBOST
Ref = 12756
....dee
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I've found marriages for Harold, Elizabeth, James and yet another child whose birth I haven't found......Mary Alice EMPHIELD.
Would you like the marriage details, Allan?
.....dee
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Thanks Dee thats great
Arthur Emphield my father was born around the later 1920's and to my knowledge he was the son of Elizabeth May Emphield with father unknown
Cheers Countreyboy51
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I would love the marriage details Dee
Cheers countryboy51
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PMed them, Allan.... :D :D
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couple more deaths
Florence VIZARD died aged 54 in 1964 at Melbourne reg no 9085
father Michael Emphfield mother Florence Harding
Elizabeth May McClarty died aged 71 in 1976 at SALE re no 14224
father Michael Emphfield mother Florence Harding
regards Jen
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Wonder if there were births interstate.....cos I really can't find the missing ones..... ??? :-\
.....dee
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Sorry Dee I have no knowledge of any Interstate Births
cheers Allan
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Dee I hope I havent mucked messages up by doing that
Countryboy51
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No...it's OK, Allan.
Am trying to sort some Electoral Roll info.....
.....dee
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one missing birth accounted for
ENFIELD Albt Francis born 1895 at Newport reg no 31604
father Mich Francis mother Flor Harding
Jenn
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Well done, Jenn! :D
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Thanks Dee I must get ready for work now as I'm on night shift. Hope to taLK to you again tomorrow its been extremely rewarding
Cheers countryboy51
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It's been Jenn as well, Allan....lots of us on here work as a team...... :D :D
.....dee
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Dee
another child whose birth I haven't found......Mary Alice EMPHIELD.
might she not be one of thiers, there are a couple of other EMPHIELD's on the death index
regards Jenn
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Possibility then Jenn......just that there were no
other Emphields in the earlier indexes that I noted....... :D
....dee
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Esther Hart Maud EMPHIELD died aged 32 in 1935 at Orbost reg no 14726
Mother Flor Harding West father Henry Macley
Irene Mary EMPHIELD died aged 64 in 1969 at SALE reg no 5005
Father Henry Jo Smith mother Mary Ann CURRIE
so these two deaths may have no bearing at all for Mary ALice Emphield, maybe her birth wasn't registered.
regards JEnn
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another death
Dawn Muriel CATER died in 1968 aged 22 at PARK reg no 913
father Malcom McLarty mother May Elizabeth EMPHIELD
Jenn
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Now this is interesting….these are all the EMPHIELDS listed on the Electoral Rolls that are online up to 1936…..
In 1903 Michael Francis Emphield and wife Florence are in Orbost. Michael is working as a labourer.
In 1909 Michael Francis Emphield and wife Florence are in Murrungowar Orbost Victoria. Michael is working as a labourer.
In 1914 Florence Emphield is still at Murrungowar Orbost Victoria.
Michael is not listed at all in 1914.
In 1919 Michael Francis Emphield is at 122 Princes St, Port Melbourne Victoria and working as a seaman while Florence is still in Sale at Thompson St.
Then we get to.....
In 1924 Florence Emphield is in Raglan St Sale Victoria
In 1924 Matthew Francis Emphield is at 28 Edsall St, Malvern Victoria occupation given as rly. emp. ???
In 1931 & 1936 Matthew Francis Emphield is at 154 Alma rd St Kilda Central Victoria occupation is Railway employee
Now who is this…..is it Michael going by Matthew? There is no Michael listed for any of the above years…….
The rest.....
In 1931 Florence Emphield and children James George, Florence and May Elizabeth were living in Raglan St Sale. James George was working as a carter.
In 1936 Florence Emphield and children James George, Florence and May Elizabeth were at Maffra Road, Sale. James George was working as a carter.
In 1919 Albert Francis Emphield is in Orbost Victoria and listed as a motor mechanic.
In 1924 Albert Francis Emphield & Harold Emphield are at Cabbage Creek Orbost Victoria, with Albert listed as farmer and Harold listed as labourer.
1931 Albert Francis Emphield & Harold Emphield are at Cabbage Creek Orbost Victoria, Albert listed as motor driver, Harold as labourer.
1931 William Emphield is at Tarbuck’s Orbost Victoria and listed as a labourer. Also there is Esther Harriet Maude EMPFIELD, home duties.
In 1936 Albert Francis Emphield , Harold Emphield & William Emphield are all at Cabbage Creek Orbost Victoria, Albert a driver, Harold a labourer, and now William is the farmer. No sign of Esther Harriet Maude EMPFIELD.
......dee
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James George EMPHIELD served in WW2.
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/
....dee
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Now I have found the marriage of a Matthew F. Emphield to a Violet K. Waters in the district of Woolwich 2nd quarter 1917 1d/2034.
??? ??? ???
Interestingly, this is the only EMPHIELD result for a search of all UK and Ireland databases on Ancestry.
....dee
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now Michael Emphield ww1 has him signing up as MAtthew but then there is a stat declaring he told porkies made an erroneus false statement and his name really was Michael Francis and he had a wife and 6 kids.
(Now I can claim to fame here the Edsal Street in Malvern is named for an Ancestor ;) but that is an entirely different story.)
I wonder then on the Rootsweb information has Michael Francis Emphield father as James. an Allan Wiles is alledgley investigating the Empfield name.
Jenn
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JEnn
Along with dee thank you very much for your valuable info. You were also very helpful JEnn wiyh my research into the Adams and Laing side of my family research. From that my brother and sister are going to pay the Springvale cemetary a visit to check out the sites. At this stage I won't be able to as I live in Queensland. We also have some marriage certificates etc to apply for and follow up.
Let me now fill you in with the connection. Lyla Laing (who was born in Sydney 9/3/1925 to Robert Alexander Laing & Rosa Adams) was firstly married to Desmond Wiles on 28/2/1948 at Burwood. Desmond died in 1959. Lyla then married Arthur Emphield on 31/5/1969 in Geelong. Arthur Emphield was born on 5/12/1924 in Sale Vic. we think to Elizabeth May Emphield with father unknown. We think Arthur was bought up by other family members possibly the grandparents not knowing that Elizabeth was his mother then.?
Cheers countryboy51
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JEnn
I think I gave you Michael's name as Francis in the army when it should have been Matthew. I will have to check the records again as I failed to pick up that he declared he had a wife and 6 kids
CheersCountryboy51
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JEnn
You also mentioned Enfield as an alternate name with that Birth record. As Michael was good at changing names do you think he made a whole new name for the family for whatever reason ?
Cheers Countryboy51
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Good morning Allan,
Jenn will probably give you her opinion whhen she is online. However, for what it is worth.....I would nopt be at all surprised if Emphield is not Michael's original name. it may be.....but there are very few variations to be found, and as you see from my earlier post.....only one record pops up for EMPHIELD on the whole of the UK and Ireland databases available through Ancestry.
And that is a Matthew F. Emphield. :-\
If you can afford it, it may well be an interesting and possibly informative exercise to purchase that marriage certificate. Exchange rate is excellent for purchasing English certificates at present.
....dee
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Morning Dee.
Just got home from night shift and thought of these questions while I was working and had to get them to print before I forgot. You made a good point there and it will be worth following up because of the name.
Cheers Countryboy51
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Allan I have been following this thread with interest.....and note the information on the name EMPHIELD and HARDING on Mary Cotter's page on Worldconnect citing
Allan WILES is researching the EMPHIELDS...
now that info would have been given to Mary...may I ask...are you that person?
I have also seen on the web, can't recall at the moment, the family of LAING, EMPHIELD, WILES etc. I am wondering if you have also placed the information? If not it may be worth you while doing a search and contacting the person. If you can't find the data on rootsweb, then ask for help. :)
Cheers
cando
Edit Have sent a pm to Allan with a bit of the info found on rootsweb.
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Cando
How are you
I am Allan and I contacted Mary Cotter some time ago because Michael Frances Emphield appeared as the husband of Florence Harding. She informed me that she was purely a researcher and not related to the family & had no info on Michael at all except being the husband and that is where it finished up so the lead became exhausted and I made no further contact with her. After seaching for a few weeks it was suggested to me to go onto rootschat as there could be a lot of helpful people there and so I did. It said on the sign up to use a different user name for confidentiality hence countryboy51
I am part of the Knowles family search sight through the Ruth Davy connection but they do not cover my branch of research
Cheers countryboy51
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Now Allan you sent me a pm which consisted of my message to you returned to me!!
I am wondering if your message above was meant to be a pm.
The reason I asked you directly was reference was made to rootsweb and ancestry data on the EMPHIELD and HARDING very early in this thread. You made no comment not did you make a comment when Jenn referred to the name researching the EMPHIELD name. I consider it would have been polite for you to have written something....considering your name was noted.
Mary Cotter's page is well known to many researchers...I have been communicating with her for some time as she had listed some of my family and much of the information was incorrect. I have also given her correct information on my OH's family. She is passionate about research and I am surprised you contacted her for additional information as she states on the website that she knows no more than she has detailed.
As your given name has been noted as an EMPHIELD researcher [and you had mentioned the name WILES on the thread] I had no qualms about asking you if you were the person.
Well now we can move on knowing that you are aware of all the data on Worldconnect and rootsweb.
Some more for you...and more for you to think about.
I was puzzled that we couldn't find a birth for Michael Frances EMPHIELD born Melbourne as stated on the marriage index. I note he is Roman Catholic as stated on his WW1 enlistment papers... perhaps that would account for the additional saints' names.
What do you think of the following....allowing for illiteracy and accents
Tried spelling variations but I can't find a birth for Michael Francis Joseph EMPHIELD at all in Victoria.....
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HANDFIELD Joseph
Father Joseph Mother Margaret FLYNN
At Melbourne 1875 Reg #17591
It is the only registration to this couple!
EMPHIELD did not appear in the Victorian indexes until the marriage of your Michael Francis Joseph....and as dee mentioned, it is only occurs once in the indexes in UK...and I wonder if it was Michael marrying in 1917 as Matthew Francis EMPHIELD. :o :o
Before you can validate your EMPHIELD tree I think you need to see the marriage registration of Michael Francis Joseph's and find the mother's name. Let's hope it isn't SMITH ;D
Another birth - Unfortunately privacy restrictions on certs within the last 100 years prevents you downloading this image....but it is the only birth I can see for Mary Alice. Mmmm wasn't Michael Francis Joseph/Matthew at WW1 - oh for some certificates ;D ;D
another child whose birth I haven't found......Mary Alice EMPHIELD.
A possibility....and you would need to purchase Florence HARDING's death cert to see how many chn are noted.
ENFIELD Mary Alice
Father Frank Enfield
Mother Florence ENFIELD
at DANDENONG 1916 Reg#19818
I'm not sure if the marriage details for Mary Alice were pm'd to you by dee. She was very young when she married :o
I will detail it again just in case the reg was not included and find the groom's dob
EMPHIELD Mary Alice
MCCORMACK James Joseph
1932 Reg#33680
You would have to purchase the marriage cert to validate if the following was the groom....more that twice her age!
MCCORMACK James Joseph
Father Joseph Mother Catherine MAHONEY
At Epping 1898 Reg#10738
More to think about and follow up.
Cando
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Did a quick search of some of the Melbourne cemeteries as dee noted Matthew/Michael F was living in St Kilda on the Electoral Roll 1936
http://www.fcmp.com.au/
Michael F EMPHIELD aged 62 is buried at Church Of England: Compartment R Grave 1080. Date of service 29 Jan 1938
Allan you don't have to apply for certificates in Victoria...you can purchase and download immediately from
http://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/home
Cheers
Cando
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Good morning cando
Sorry to you and Jnee about the muck up yesterday With being on night shift I was tired and I didnt know why I was making all these mistakes. Could it have been that when i typed a post reply and clicked post a red message came up saying I had messages waiting for me. Instead of clicking to find out the meesages I scrolled down and clicked if I remember correctly my message to be sent. Could this action have caused the things to happen.
With all this confusion I decided it was time to go to bed and get some sleep . I have just arrive home now and that Is it for my nightshift for another 8 weeks.
As to the name business I was not sure how to answer this as when I signed up for Rootschat They said not to use your real name for confidenciality reasons as the user name hence I used Countryboy51. Again I apologise to yourself and JNee for the confusion created. I will send you this part now, make myself a cuppa, then sit down and answer youir last post. I think I have been missing posts when answering and I need to concentrate and answer each one individually
Cheers Al;lan
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Cando
My contact with Mary Cotter was very early in the piece when I had just started. The only info I had on Michael Emphield was his WW1 army record (which was confusing enough) and when I saw his name on Mary's sight I was hopeful of something coming to light. I guess what you are saying about Mary's sight is that I need to validate Florence & Michael by getting certificates.
As for the data on the Worldconnect & Rootsweb,our family has now been included down from Ruth Davey connection down and I found it with the mention of My Grand Parents Robert Alexander Laing & Rosa Adams and so made the contact with sknowls. It is the actual dead ends which I am working off which is the core of our family heritage (ie: not to say that Ruth Davy is not part of that core).
From your research into Michael it appears that he has lead a very colourful/mystifying life. Maybe he was avoiding being traced because of name changes.
As regards to the following section off Handfield etc (between the 2 quotes) it is very cleverly put together, and as you said I will need to get the marriage registration before proceeding any further with Michael. As soon as it is to hand I will let you know the result. Mary Alice will be another good one to follow up.
Thank you for the site for death certificate info - it could prove very helpful.
I hope I haven't waffled on too much
Cheers Allan
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Well now we can move on knowing that you are aware of all the data on Worldconnect and rootsweb.
Cando
I feel my comment on a previous thread says it all ;D
You are correct in your thinking Allan re certs....and if I was researching this family I would purchase the marriage cert in 1895 [hopefully some of Michael's information is correct] and perhaps Florence's death certificate....this should give you the names of all their chn. Further purchases of one or two of their chn birth certs would be interesting to see if his information is consistent. I would also consider purchasing the marriage cert in UK in 1917.... I guess it depends how keen you are to explore and find all the info.
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
You have been given the necessary references you will need to purchase certificates both from the Vic bdm and GRO.
Cheers
Cando
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Cando
On behalf of the family thankyou to yourself, JEnn , Dee and all the others who contruted in both family lines. There is a fair bit of work for myself and other family members to track down the facts via certificates. You have certainly put a lot of time into the research and I'm sure we will get some great and I believe interesting results. Keep your eyes on both sites as I will keep you up to date with th results
Cheers Allan
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Hi Cando
For your interest we have purchased the marriage certificate of Michael Emphield and Florence Harding. It revealed the following that the parents of Michael were James Emphield (Gentleman) and Margaret Flynn and the parents of Florence were John Harding (Farmer) and Susannah Leigh (not Susannah Aldred as listed on Mary Cotters ancestry site) The family were certain that the surname was Leigh and that she came from a famous English pottery family.
I hope you found this interesting and I will let Mary Cotter know what I have found out.
Cheers Allan (Countryboy51)
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That is good to hear you purchased the certificate
We would be interested to know where and when was he born please?
and Florence when and where was she born?
there is this birth in Victoria
HANDFIELD Joseph born 1875 Melbourne reg no 17591
father Joseph Mother Margaret Flynn
kind thoughts Jenn
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Hi Allan - pleased you purchased a cert to help you on your way and I am sure Mary will welcome the correct info :)
Jenn this birth was posted in reply#39 ;D Info certainly gets lost in long threads ;D
Cheers
Cando
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The two following death registrations are at Orbost...and the only Susannah HARDING death reg on the indexes in Victoria.
HARDING John
Father Harding William Mother Elizabeth TAYLOR
74 years in 1896 at Orbost Reg# 14779
HARDING Sussannah
Father Aldred Jno Mother Sussan H ALDRED
64 years in 1895 at Orbost Reg# 10667
So you can see where Mary sourced her information.
I found the following marriage on free bdm -
Jun qtr 1859
ALDRED Susannah Manchester 8d/242
HARDING John Manchester 8d/242
If it is your John HARDING then perhaps ? 2nd marriage for Susannah.
Cheers
Cando
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And a bit more....just to confuse the issue, but interesting as there is a LEIGH connection.
1851 Census HO107/2222/84/8
Living at Bury Old Road, Union Terrace, Broughton
Alice FLETCHER Head Widow Age 71 Proprietor of House b. Lancs Manchester
Mary Ann LEIGH Dau Unmarried Age 52 Proprietor of House b. Lancs Manchester
Charles LEIGH Son Unmarried Age 39 Silk and Cotton Merchant b. Lancs Manchester
John LEIGH Son Unmarried Age 39 Proprietor of houseb. Lancs Manchester
Susannah ALDRED Grand daughter Unmarried Age 23 b. Lancs Manchester
John ALDRED Grandson Unmarried Age 21 Warehouseman b. Lancs Manchester
William ALDRED Grandson Age 14 Scholar b. Lancs Manchester
Mary Ann CASSIDY Servant Age 16 b. Lancs Manchester.
1861 Census RG9/2522/7A/8
Tissington, Derbyshire
John HARDING Head Married Age 38 Cotton spinner b. Derbyshire, Sea Hall
Susannah HARDING Head Married Age 32 b. Manchester
Alice HARDING Dau 7 months b. Derbyshire, Tissington
William HARDING Father 74 Retired Farmer b. Derbyshire, Hopton
1871 RG10/3600/82/13
Similar residence but John's father Wm is not listed and addition of Alice aged 8 and Sarah aged 10 months.
1881 RG11/3654/13/20
Living at 12 Village Street, Everton, Lancashire
John HARDING Head Married 58 Dairyman b. Derbyshire, Sea Hall
Susannah HARDING Wife Married 53
Alice HARDING Dau Unmarried 20
Elizabeth HARDING Dau Unmarried 18
Sarah D HARDING Dau Unmarried 10 All b. Tissington Derbyshire
Florence HARDING* Grand daughter 1yr b. Lancs. Liverpool
*No wonder there was confusion as to whom were her parents. Obviously with Susannah being 53 years of age, Florence has to be the dau of either Alice or Elizabeth.
This could be Susannah with Florence and Sarah D on the passenger lists - only Susanna/h HARDING on the Unassisted list arriving in Vic. I dismissed the record earlier because of the spelling and Susannah's age;D
HARDING FLORENCIUS 9 APR 1889 HABSBURG F 250 007
HARDING SARADINE 16 APR 1889 HABSBURG F 250 007
HARDING SUSANNA 54 APR 1889 HABSBURG F 250 007
Either John's or Susannah's death cert would give you the name of their chn and verify the above info.
More for your family to sort out.
Cheers
Cando
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So cando does that mean that Florence Harding bornn 1880 was 15 when she married John Harding?
and that Sussanah Aldred married John Harding?
*No wonder there was confusion as to whom were her parents. Obviously with Susannah being 53 years of age, Florence has to be the dau of either Alice or Elizabeth
it does say grandaughter for Florence ;D
Jenn
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So then the marriage
John Harding
Sussanah Aldred appear on the same page in 1859 second quater
district of Manchester Lancashire
deleted allready supplied by Cando.
Jenn
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Florence married in 1895 in Vic and it looks like she was 16 years old as she was 1 yr on the 1881 census.
Only Florence HARDING birth in the period in Liverpool
Births Dec 1879
Harding Florence Liverpool 8b 116
There is a LEIGH connection on the 1851 census.
Of course certs need to be purchased to validate info. Perhaps a purchase of one John or Susannah's death certs.
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Yes Cando I noticed the Leigh conection on the 1851 census you have supplied!
Jenn
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Jenn just quick look at the census and bdm's....all needs to be validated with certs etc. However looks pretty convincing to me.
Now 1841 Census HO 107/573/15
Living at 21 Deangate, Manchester
Susannah ALDRED Age 30 Provision dealer b. county
Susannah ALDRED Age 13 b. county
William ALDRED Age 5 b. county.
Now the question is was Susannah aged 30 the dau of Alice FLETCHER and sister to Mary Ann, Charles and John LEIGH all children of Alice, detailed in the 1851 census. Obviously Alice FLETCHER was married to ? LEIGH to have offspring with the surname LEIGH ;D ;D
Cheers
Cando
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Already detailed but noted that John has father William as on 1861 census.
HARDING John
Father Harding William Mother Elizabeth TAYLOR
74 years in 1896 at Orbost Reg# 14779
and from IGI
ALDRED Susannah
Baptism 10 Mar 1828 Cathedral, Manchester, Lancashire, England
Father John ALDRED
Mother Susannah
Cando
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not sure if allready posted
deaths in Victoria
Sarah Dean WATT died aged 74 in 1944 at W Bwick reg no 11047
Father Harding Jno Mother Susannah ALFRED
Alice Taylor SWALLOW died aged 65 in 1926 at Orbost reg no 7085
Father Jno Harding Mother Sussanah ALDRED
so the lass on the boat Saradine might be Sarah Dean :)
Jenn
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Cando on the 1861 Census
there is
Crumpsall Lanacshire living at 102 Stone Wall Terrace
Mary Ann Leigh Head unmarried 61
Elizabeth Fletcher Half Sister 43 unmarried
no occupations etc show ing for either born Manchester
William Ladred nephew 24 unmarried salesman in general warehouse born manchester
Jenn
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The purchase of a death cert of two would validate some of the finds.
Think Allan needs time to sort out all the info and work out where to go from here. Perhaps this is already known to the family.
Cando
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Just got home from work to find all the messages posted. I certainly need time to sit down and digest it all. Thankyou Cando, Tropicalj and others for the info. I will keep you posted and chase up any certificates needed. It is proving a real interesting search
Cheers Allan (Countryboy51)
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Hi Allan et al,
I think I've figured it out - have sent this info to Allan via email but thought you all may be interested - I reckon she WAS Susannah Aldred but Susannah Leigh was HER mother (I've seen grandmother's nee names given as mother's nee names before, & in this case since it was really gm & ggm...), who was chr 1803 Manchester Cathedral par Wilson & Alice Dean, then Alice remarried to Joseph Fletcher 1815.
Cheers,
Mary (from THAT rootsweb tree...)
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Hello there
and Welcome to Roots chat
if you are THAT Mary then you have certainly helped a lot of people all over Australia
hope you enjoy your time on here
kind thoghts Jenn
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Hi Mary...and welcome to rootschat :) :)
We have exchanged emails re the SKIPWORTH and PEERS trees ;D ;D
I agree....she was Susannah ALDRED and mother was Susannah LEIGH married to John ALDRED as per info found and detailed...but left it to Allan to draw his own conclusions.
Florence HARDING could not have been her dau - named as grand daughter on the census....Susannah ALDRED was 52 when Florence was born...probably the illegitimate dau of Alice or Elizabeth.
1881 RG11/3654/13/20
Living at 12 Village Street, Everton, Lancashire
John HARDING Head Married 58 Dairyman b. Derbyshire, Sea Hall
Susannah HARDING Wife Married 53
Alice HARDING Dau Unmarried 20
Elizabeth HARDING Dau Unmarried 18
Sarah D HARDING Dau Unmarried 10 All b. Tissington Derbyshire
Florence HARDING* Grand daughter 1yr b. Lancs. Liverpool
Previous census showed Susannah b. Manchester
Cheers
Cando
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Hi Jenn & 'Cando',
Thanks for the welcome Jenn, don't know how you replied so quickly though, seemed virtually instantaneous!
And glad the fruit of my obsession has helped lots of people, that is its purpose!
Get worried when I suspect or discover errors, though, glad this one seems to be sorted - all seems 'beyond reasonable doubt' when combined with the census recs in this chatroom.
And I recall you, 'Cando', & glad we concur in our deductions!
Cheers,
Mary
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HI THERE I NOTICED SOMEBODY ASKED ABOUT THE MICHAEL EMPHIELD. I HAVE INFORMATION FOR THAT PERSON.
I AM LOOKING FOR ANY FAMILY HISTORY ON THE EMPHIELD FAMILY VICTORIA AUSTRALIA
Moderator Comment: topics merged :)
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HI
ARE YOU LOOKING FOR EMPHIELDS
I AM NEW TO THE ROOTSCHAT, I AM SQUIZGOLF. I HAVE INFORMATION MY GRANDMOTHER IS ELIZABETH MAY.
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I have sent a pm to Allan drawing his attention to your request on the Beginners Board and now here ;D
Cheers
Cando
and now Berlin Bob has moved your message here as well :)
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Hi Squizgolf and Cando
Squizgolf I have replied to you personally and am recording a posting here. In the last few days I have received a lot of info on the chat line. My sister who is now heavily into researching the emphield line (getting marriage certificates etc ) We now have quite a bit of info to digest and sort out . My sister is presently on holidays for at least another week and when she returns I will get her to join my chat line and join in the conversations in about 1 weeks time.
Cheers for now
Allan Wiles (Countryboy51)
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thats great
I hva been searching for pics of the Emphields because i have nothing about them. I am intrigued though, did you say elizabeth was your mother? is this true????
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Arthur Emphield my father was born around the later 1920's and to my knowledge he was the son of Elizabeth May Emphield with father unknown
Hi squizgolf..... one of Allan's replies...just to help clarify things ;D
Cheers
Cando
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Hello everyone,
Im new to Rootschat -what a wonderful resource this is!
Ive just been reading the various posts on Michael and Florence Emphield and am most intrigued!! More particularly - their daughter Mary Alice Emphield born 1916 whom I have a connection to.
My great grandmother's cousin John (Jack) Tarlton and his family were one of the early families of Murrungower near Orbost, living on a neighbouring selection from Mr and Mrs Emphield from about 1888 onwards.
When Jack Tarlton died in 1958 he left his Estate to "his friends James and Mary Alice McCormack" (nee Emphield). I tracked down the descendants of that family and had a long conversation with her son about 10 years ago.
He indicated his mother had told him that her real father was Jack Tarlton (and not Michael Emphield) and thats why he had a lot to do with her over the years. She also said most of the details on her birth certificate had been registered incorrectly including the spelling of her surname ("Enfield"). However on official paperwork she always put Michael Emphield and Florence Harding as her parents, as far as I know at least.
I must try and get back in touch with him now that I've revisited this line again.
I see now it is likely that Michael F J Emphield would have been at WW1 in 1916 when she was born.
Its very interesting about Michael Emphield's ancestry. I had a little bit of a look myself. Could Joseph and Margaret have been illiterate and the name "Emphield" has evolved? Its an unusual spelling. I found a couple of things under the name "Hemphill" on the Vic Pioneers Index: -
Joseph HEMPHILL married Margaret FLINN 1874 in Victoria (Ref 507)
He was born in Tennessee and she was from County Clare in Ireland.
They had daughter Emily HEMPHILL born 1874 Sandridge, VIC who died aged 9 weeks
then I think I found the father's death -
Joseph HEMPHILL d 1876 (Ref 6360) aged 36 - born in America
Father - John
Mother - <blank>
If this is correct, Michael's father would have died when he was a baby and that may explain the "James" on the marriage certificate instead of Joseph...I couldnt see what happened to the mother. It would be interesting to note who the witnesses are on Michael's marriage certificate, which may just give a clue if the mother remarried.
Its interesting also about the marriage of "Matthew Emphield" to Violet K Waters in Woolwich in England in 1917. It must be Michael using his WW1 Alias (?)...and that there are NO other Emphields. I wonder what happened to Violet.
regards
James
(astorgrand110)
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Hi James and welcome to rootschat.
Thank you for you informative post....most interesting.
I think your findings and reason for same are certainly possible. Some certs need to be sighted - the ones you mention and.....
Reply#39
HANDFIELD Joseph
Father Joseph Mother Margaret FLYNN
At Melbourne 1875 Reg #17591
however if mother or father signed with a X it may at least explain the variations spelling on the registrations.
Illiteracy and accents certainly caused many errors in the bdm's, :(
Cheers
Cando
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??? hi Jack
welcome- wow after all you have written has made me more confused than ever. My grandmother was an Emphield and my new cousins will be just as mixed up. thank you for the input.
squizgolf
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forgive me james i had jack, told you im confused. shouldnt write things when tired.
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:o No probs - sorry for the confusion - it is hard to sort all the little bits of info out...its certainly interesting! Together we'll all get to the bottom of it all somehow! I must get in touch with Mary Alice's son again. She had a large family and some of them still live down at their farm south of Koo Wee Rup.
I also have some historical info on Murrungower & the early families somewhere which Im currently trying to find.....it mentioned the Emphields and their selections etc.....
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:o No probs - sorry for the confusion - it is hard to sort all the little bits of info out...its certainly interesting! Together we'll all get to the bottom of it all somehow! I must get in touch with Mary Alice's son again. She had a large family and some of them still live down at their farm south of Koo Wee Rup.
I also have some historical info on Murrungower & the early families somewhere which Im currently trying to find.....it mentioned the Emphields and their selections etc.....
Well don't forget if you eed any help just post up a new topic so lots of eager people can offer any assistance
kind thoughts Jenn
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Hi
I note that you seem to have this research under control so wont bore you with pages of data. Michael Francis (Mick) Emphield married my great aunt Florence Harding in 1895. The younger sister of Florence married my grandfather and have done considerable research here. They had 6 children and Mick enlisted in WW1 with commendable service but was gassed. At time of enrollment Mick did not divulge he was married but declared he was single, thus his income diverted elsewhere.
I note you have declared Mick from Orbost which not quite correct, as he was born in Marlo, and some of the family became involved in a trucking business in the Cabbage tree Creek area.
Most of their 6 children married.
Wont go any further as am probably duplicating what already known to you.
Bruce Watt
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Hi Bruce...Welcome to rootschat :)
The younger sister of Florence married my grandfather and have done considerable research here.
Bruce Watt
I am curious...who was the younger sister of Florence HARDING b.1879 Liverpool? I am writing this from memory and without going over the long thread again.... :).
Perhaps you can enlighten us....a number of us were involved with helping Allan.
Cheers
Cando
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Hi Mary...and welcome to rootschat :) :)
I am directly related to the Harding family and am disappointed to note that some of research by Cando is incorrect. Nobody was illegitimate despite this conclusion is the easy way out.
Bruce Watt
We have exchanged emails re the SKIPWORTH and PEERS trees ;D ;D
I agree....she was Susannah ALDRED and mother was Susannah LEIGH married to John ALDRED as per info found and detailed...but left it to Allan to draw his own conclusions.
Florence HARDING could not have been her dau - named as grand daughter on the census....Susannah ALDRED was 52 when Florence was born...probably the illegitimate dau of Alice or Elizabeth.
1881 RG11/3654/13/20
Living at 12 Village Street, Everton, Lancashire
John HARDING Head Married 58 Dairyman b. Derbyshire, Sea Hall
Susannah HARDING Wife Married 53
Alice HARDING Dau Unmarried 20
Elizabeth HARDING Dau Unmarried 18
Sarah D HARDING Dau Unmarried 10 All b. Tissington Derbyshire
Florence HARDING* Grand daughter 1yr b. Lancs. Liverpool
Previous census showed Susannah b. Manchester
Cheers
Cando
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My grandmother was Sarah Dean Harding who was the next youngest of the Harding family bar one (b) 1870 (d) 1944. The three (3) sisters who immigrated to Australia with their parents, among other things became fine horsewomen.
Bruce Watt
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Hi Bruce...
I am sure that all who participated in this thread will be interested in your information. I think you will find that I used the word probably in my thoughts on the birth of Florence in 1879....after all her mother's age was given as 53 on the census and Florence was listed as grandaughter Aged 1. Bruce this was taken from the scan of the census. Sarah Dean's age was listed as 10 years.
I think we would all be interested in your data....many of us spent a great deal of time trying to help Allan with his family.
I guess the possible birth certificate of Florence b. 1879 Liverpool would answer lots of questions.
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
Dec qtr 1879
HARDING Florence Liverpool 8b/116
Cheers for now
Cando
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Ok Cando here we go.
Florence Theodora Harding's birth Dec Qtr 1875, Vol 7B, page 398. She died in 1956 at the Sale Hospital 23 Jan 1956, Register 17337.
I realise it is easy to assume a error exists in her birth records but at birth her mother Susannah was 46, and the father was 53, having married at 40 yrs. Unusual but not impossible. Also shipping records confirm Florence was 14 when she arrived in Melbourne on the "Hapsburg" on 12 April 1889. An interesting fact here is that the family arrived in 2 separate parties and I unsure of the reason why. The "Hapsburg" broke down after leaving Colombo and drifted for several weeks before being rescued by another ship. The father John and eldest daughter Alice arrived on an earlier vessel. Why did this family immigrate is something that has puzzled my family for generations, they owned a successful cotton mill called "Woodeaves" visited by father which I believe still stands and is classified by the British National Trust. They were genteel stock and immigrated to Gippsland to a place called "Cabbage Tree Creek", which can only be described god forsaken country. My family believed some stock they held in British Railways went bad and may have forced their hand.
Their son John died on the voyage from England although have been unable to obtain a death certificate. But my father always swore that is what he was told by his Mother Sarah.
I also believe there is a transcription error on Florence's age in the 1881 census, and it should read 6 not 1. Another error is in the name of the town, it should read Tissington, not Tossington.
I have been investigating my own family tree for 20 years, and if I had told my father when he was alive that it was considered his aunt may have been illegitimate..would have caused an uproar...some families yes but not the Hardings..
Bruce Watt
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Thank you Bruce for the information....most enlightening and interesting. Thank you for so much detail. :)
You will certainly understand that when researching one can only be guided by information on the census and bdm and shipping records etc and all being paper based records, errors and omissions will occur in transcription.
The bdm you mention
Births Dec qtr 1875
HARDING Florence Bingham 7b/398
The district Bingham spans the boundaries of the counties of Leicestershire and Nottinghamshire..
The transcribed records on the Unassisted Arrivals in Vic are obviously also wrong which is not an unusual thing. Can be frustrating at times...I found an ancestor only yesterday on the records with her age out by 10 years....but fortunately she had a most unusual name with was for once, transcribed correctly.
Online Victorian Shipping Records
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=23
HARDING FLORENCIUS 9 APR 1889 HABSBURG F 250 007
HARDING SARADINE 16 APR 1889 HABSBURG F 250 007
HARDING SUSANNA 54 APR 1889 HABSBURG F 250 007
Similarly I have often wondered why my ancestors emigrated as they were successful cotton brokers in Liverpool and owned a mill at Stockport. But of course I am speaking of a period previous to your family's emigration.
Bruce perhaps the following from the Victorian death index also led us to believe that Florence was born in 1879.
EMPHIELD Florence
Father Harding John Mother Florence UNKNOWN
At SALE 77 years 1956 Reg#17337
This would indicate a birth of c1879 and certainly led us astray.
Bruce do you think this is your family on the 1881 census with an an error in the description of Florence to head of household, her age and place of birth and Susannah's age ?
1881 RG11/3654/13/20
Living at 12 Village Street, Everton, Lancashire
John HARDING Head Married 58 Dairyman b. Derbyshire, Sea Hall
Susannah HARDING Wife Married 53
Alice HARDING Dau Unmarried 20
Elizabeth HARDING Dau Unmarried 18
Sarah D HARDING Dau Unmarried 10 All b. Tissington Derbyshire
Florence HARDING Grand daughter 1yr b. Lancs. Liverpool
I don't know a lot about shipping records, but I thought the death of John would have been noted on the manifest. I have on seen shipping records in South Australia but would assume [that word again ;)] that most would be similar in the period. Wonder if his death is noted on the Victorian Marine Index?
Once again thank you for detailing your information and hopefully you may understand how my probable assumption was made. I participate on this board to assist not upset people.
Cheers
Cando
Added later....Bruce I took the census information from Ancestry,.com which is identical to the data on familysearch.org except for the spelling of Tissington.....Tossington on familysearch.org.
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Cando
Victorian Shipping Records are still being transcribed and the Hardings (the women) Fiche 250, page 7. I agree they hold many challenges and are prone to error while being transcribed.
Here is Alice Hardings story:-
She immigrated to Victoria with her mother and 2 sisters also on the "Habsburg".She first married a James Tarbuck at Orbost approx 1890 , but he died in 1908, and she then remarried a James Swallow at Cabbage Tree on 5 Jan 1916. Alice died at Orbost in 1926, and neither marriage produced any children. She also ran a pub in a Gippsland town called Marlo which still stands to-day. Unfortunately it caught fire when she owned it with much damage. My grandfather used to help her by pulling beer when he gave farming and Council duties away.
1881 Census is it my family?. Well I have assumed yes, the names line up, the ages are reasonably close bearing in mind some people guessed or lied about their ages. The occupations dont accord with my understanding, and we have some errors. This family is as close as I can get so have assumed they are my family. I know that Elizabeth died shortly after this census, but not sure of the precise details other than she spent some time in an "Infirmary".
Now I agree that if someone dies while at sea the details are normally recorded at the destination port, but John Harding has as yet appeared. But my father always maintaned his mother Sarah Dean told the family that John died at sea. I was only 6 when she died so I just dont know. I have a friend involved in transcribing these shipping records so will ask her if anymore updates will soon be available.
Now could I ask a question please re Florences grandparents John Aldred & Susannah Leigh. They had 5 children one of whom was Alice Dean Aldred (b) Nov 1834. Has anyone done any research which may indicate beyond doubt whom she married. It can only be Ralph Houghton or Dr. Septimus Rydeherd. Has anyone done any research into this line.
Many thanks.
Bruce Watt
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Bruce we only help with requests as detailed by fellow 'chatters...so unless one of your relations has done some research and posted it here....there would be none on this site.
Bruce I have spent a bit of time today on the online 19th C British Newspapers - In the past I found most of my ancestors' bdm announcements there. I was hopeful of finding Alice ALDRED's marriage announcement but unfortunately nothing. Have you searched for her under both names on the 1861 census? Her age and place of birth may help identify her
Found the following...just for you info...only Harding birth listed for your family. I searched through to 1880.
The Derby Mercury [Derby, England] Wednesday August 29th, 1860 Issue 6702
Births
At Woodeaves on Sunday 26th of August, the wife of John Harding Esq., of a daughter.
It appears that Woodeaves Cotton Mill was sold in 1883. I was hoping to see an image of it...I am very interested in the Cotton Industry in England. I have searched on the National Trust site but it only seems to list properties that are open to the public.
Oh Bruce have you Florence's birth certificate? Allan may be interested in it.
Cheers
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My family believed some stock they held in British Railways went bad and may have forced their hand.
Notices from the London Gazette
The Bankrupty Act 1869
In the County Court of Staffordshire, holden at Burton-on-Trent.
In the Matter of Proceedings for Liquidation by Arrangement or Composition with Creditors, instituted by John Harding, of Woodeaves, in the parish of Tissington, and county of Derby, Cotton Spinner.
NOTICE is hereby given, that a First General Meeting of the creditors of the above-named person has been summoned to be held at the Royal Hotel, Market-street, in the city of Manchester, on the 3rd day of September, 1873, at three o'clock in the afternoon precisely.
Dated this 13th day of August, 1873.
JOHN JOSEPH WISE.
Church-street, Ashborne
Attorney for the said Debtor
Bankruptcy Act 1869
In the County Court of Staffordshire, holden at Burton-on-Trent.
In the Matter of Proceedings for Liquidation by Arrangement or Composition with Creditors, instituted by John Harding of Woodeaves, in the parish of Tissington and country of Derby. Cotton Spinner.
GEORGE BENJAMIN BROWNSON, of Parwich, near Ashborne, Auctioneer and Valuer, has been appointed Trustee of the property of the debtor. All persons having in their possession any of the effects of the debtor ust deliver them to the trustee, and all debts due to the debtor must be paid to the trustee. Creditors who have not yet proved their debts must forward their proofs of debts to the trustee.
Date this 4th Day of September, 1873.
Bankruptcy Act 1869
In the County Court of Staffordshire, holden at Burton-on-Trent.
In the Matter of Proceedings for Liquidation by Arrangement or Composition with Creditors, instituted by John Harding of Woodeaves, in the parish of Tissington, in the county of Derby, Cotton Spinner.
The creditors of the above-named John Harding who have not proved their debts, are required, on or before the 25th day of June 1874 to send their names and addresses, and particulars of their debts or claims to me, the undersigned, George Benjamin Browson of Parwich near Ashborne, in the county of Derby, the Trustee under liquidation, or in default thereof, they will be excluded from the pending dividend proposed to be declared.
Dated this 10th day of June, 1874
G P Browson,
Trustee.
Perhaps this explains their move to Everton in Lancashire.
Hop you find this all interesting.
Cheers
Cando
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Hello there All
What a lot of information you have found Cando, excellent work. One can only imagine that Bruce will be very happy with what you have found.
Jenn
ps a big welcome to Roots chat for Bruce, as you can see lots of lovely folk happy and willing to help with researching your branches.
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Cando
Ok thanks very much for the info on researching. Yes have checked the 1861 census but the info is not conclusive, but thanks again.
So there was a declaration of Bankruptcy, by the Hardings, which clarifies reasons for their actions, but why they chose Cabbage Tree Creek, I will never understand, I know the countryside in that area well. However the fishing on the nearby coast is excellent, but of course they were not a fishing family. In 1984 my father visited Woodeaves and took some photos (the then owners agreed), and somewhere I have an article written by some British Heritage Magazine on "Woodeaves". I can dig it and scan a copy if you like but it would take a few days or so.
I dont have Alice Harding's birth certificate only her death but Free BMD confirm birth as
Births Sep 1860
HARDING Alice Ashborne 7b 463
Meanwhile thanks Jen for your welcome. I just stumbled across this board.
Bruce Watt
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Your'e most welcome Bruce :)
A little advice if I may, if you want any information etc on a different family/person etc please start a new topic that way a lot more of our fellow RCer's will see the topic and contribute if they are able
Jenn
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Oh Bruce have you Florence's birth certificate? Allan may be interested in it.
Cheers
Bruce I think you misread my question :)
Cheers
Cando
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Oops I did; sorry...No I dont have Florence's Birth Certificate.
Bruce Watt
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I would certainly be interested in reading the info about Woodeaves.
There are a number of documents on National Archives including the purchase of land for the building of the mill from the owners of Woodeaves Estate.
Thought the following summed up the history quite well....
At the side of Bentley Brook a little way from the village of Fenny Bentley are the remains of Woodeaves Mill. The original mill buildings were constructed by John Cooper in 1784 for his hosiery business , but were demolished early in the 20th century. Approximately 100 people were employed there including many of the residents of Fenny Bentley. They also manufactured cotton doubling which was then transported to Nottingham and used in the lace and curtain trade. The mill was powered by water from Bradbourne Brook and fed by means of a ¾-mile long canal which also carried goods to the mill in small boats. The mill converted in the 19th century to steam power and one building held a 16hp engine. Production ceased around 1908 but some of the buildings were later used as a cheese factory.
Further reading of London Gazettes indicate that John HANDLEY developed/improved machinery for the doubling of cotton and other fabrics. I would imagine they were patent applications...I didn't find what the numbers indicated....perhaps licence numbers. If you are interested I will find them again...when I have a spare moment ;)
I hope Allan or his sister will make a decision to purchase some of the birth certificates of his ancestors.
Cheers
Cando
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Hi Cando and everyone. I have been away from rootschat for a while for various reasons My sister has got most of the Victorian certificates but we were wondering how to go about purchasing the UK birth,death and marriage certificates. I would also like to thank all of you folks on rootschat as it has assisted in bringing together some of the family branches and to start up private dialogue with them. It has been a very rewarding experience.
Cheers Allan (Countryboy51)
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Hi Allan :)
Perhaps read this link first
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/faqs.asp
I use this link to purchase online
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
You will need the reference numbers for each cert application....available by searching on
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
Ask for assistance...if you need it.
Many family history/genealogy societies provide a service and purchase on your behalf, but it is a tad more expensive that way.
Good luck :D
Cheers
Cando
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Will do Thanks once again cando
Allan (Countryboy51)
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Hi everyone and to my new cousins, all i can say is WOW, we have a lot to get through don't we. i will be going home to Vic to see the family next year and will be taking lots of pics around cementaries, I hopefully will get a lot more info when i sift through mum's stuff,she will have a lot of things from nan (Elizabeth Emphield). i will share everything.
Many thanks ;D
squizgolf
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Hi Squizgolf
All my fathers family from Orbost, and have spent a lot of there over the years. I have done a lot of research whem Mick Emphield married my great aunt Florence Harding, including his war record.
Please advise if you require any assistance.
Bruce Watt
Ps- I am now retired and live in Rosebud.
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Hello Bruce,
My husband's grandmother Violet married Mr Emphield in England in 1917 during WWI.
We were told that he died before the end of WWI.
Apparently this is not so.
Do you have any information on What he did on his return to Australia? It has become one of the mysteries of our family tree.
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Hi :)
Welcome to rootschat.
On the electoral rolls post WW1 he is listed as a seaman and railway employee. Pre WW1 he was a labourer.
You can purchase for AUD$17.50 and immediately download his death cert if you wish from
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage
You will need the surname, registration number and year
EMPHIELD Michael Fran
Father Unknown Mother Unknown UNKNOWN
Death Place FITZROY 62 years 1938 Reg#1069
His WW1 record has been digitised and you can read it on
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch.aspx
>Search as guest user
>Search just using EMPHIELD
>Click on display and then on the blue digital record
Cheers
Cando
Edit to add info
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Micheal F Emphield was my great grandfather. I can give you most or all of his family tree from the time of his marriage.
Happy to deal direct and my email is
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Thanks moderator; I am almost computer illiterate and need all the assistance I can get.
Re ; countryboy 51, I can remember his father well. But lost all contact after he met Lyla
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Hi curraw,
A Big Welcome to RootsChat. ;D
countryboy51 has not been online for over a year. Hopefully he will get notification of your reply and will be in touch soon.
Cheers Kris :)
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I have spoken to my mother --shiela scott nee emphield - and she can tell countryboy about his 'unknown' grandfather
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H i Moderator, will those three posts qualify me to send a PM --- if so how do I go about it
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Hi curraw,
You will find information on the PM system here in our help pages.
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I hope countryboy will be online soon. Since you were new I did PM him your email when I removed it. ;D
Cheers Kris :)
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I have just found this web site. I am Elizabeth May Emphield grandaughter. I see my other sister has been in contact and tried to answer some of your questions. Would like to get in contact with you some how countryboy51
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Hello tumble 1 and Welcome to Rootschat ;D
You will need to post another couple of messages and then you can send a personal message to countryboy51.
See the Reply before your posting ;)
Regards
Alison