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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Caernarvonshire => Topic started by: Elli8982 on Friday 07 November 08 10:27 GMT (UK)
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I am searching for information on the Crowther Wilkinson family. George William Crowther Wilkinson was born 24 Jan 1843 in Birmingham, England and died 14 Mar 1914 in Bangor, Wales. I have information that he was a Sargent Major when he died and could have possibly changed his name from just Crowther to Crowther Wilkinson but have no other information than that. He married Maria Pullen in 1877 in Portsea and had 4 children that I definitely know of: Private Arthur Edward Crowther Wilkinson, 43959, who was born in 1880 in Bangor, Wales and was killed in action 28 Feb 1917 in Arras France; Gunner Herbert Crowther Wilkinson, 30282, who was born in 1884 in Bangor, Wales and was killed in action 7 Nov 1918 in Belgium; Frank Pullen Crowther Wilkinson who was born 1887 in Bangor, Wales and died 1973 in Australia and George Harry Crowther Wilkinson who was born 1879 in Bangor, Wales and died 1930 in Portland. I cannot seem to find any information as to when or why George William moved from Birmingham to Wales. Also unable to find any more information on Frank Pullen who moved to Australia.
Any help would be appreciated.
Elli
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There is a George W Wilkinson on the 1871 census aged 26 and a Corporal in the R M Artillery (i'm not a military person so I don't know whether this makes sense!). Birth place is BIrmingham, and he is listed as being at the North Barracks, Walmer, Kent. RG10/1005/66/8
Then on the 1881 census George W Wilkinson is living with wife Maria and son George. George senior is a Sergt R M A drill instructor, so I am relatively confident that this is the same person as above. RG11/5575/82/39
Forgot to add the point I was trying to make! Which is that it looks like his move to Bangor may have been to do with his job, and so perhaps his service card would give a reason for a move.
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I've just had a look on the National Archives website, and service papers for the Royal Marine Artillery are catalogued at ADM 159/20. They are an open document but take 3 days to produce.
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Thanks
I'm probably being really inexperienced here but I have never used the National Archives website before - what does ADM 159/20 relate to?
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Piece details ADM 159/20
ADM Records of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, Coastguard, and related bodies
Division within ADM Records of Royal Marines
ADM 159 Admiralty: Royal Marines: Registers of Service
Subseries within ADM 159 Royal Marine Artillery
Stan
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This caught my eye because I went to school in Sydney (quite near Parramatta) with a girl who was a Crowther-Wilkinson.
If you go to the National Archives of Australia website,
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch/index.aspx
and click on RecordSearch, then type in "Crowther-Wilkinson", select "Phrase" from the drop-down menu, and hit "search" ... you'll find enlistment records for Herbert George (b. Birmingham 13.6.1919, enlisted Cowra NSW, NOK Crowther-Wilkinson, Ruby), William (b. Birmingham 27.5.1920, enlisted Parramatta NSW, NOK Crowther-Wilkinson, Gladys), and Frank (b. Birmingham 5.5.1921, enlisted Leppington NSW, NOK Crowther-Wilkinson, Frank).
None of these has yet been digitised for viewing online, but you can probably apply for copies by using the reference numbers listed.
Also found Frank's death registration (can send you the registration number if you wish to apply for a copy of the certificate) on the NSW BDMs website, : - this gives his parents as George William and Maria. Additionally, there's a death registration for Fanny Crowther-Wilkinson (aged 76, father William) who died in 1967.
Hope this is some sort of help :)
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That is brilliant, it has given me a lot of help thanks. Now I just need to see whether I can find out when they moved to Australia.
Thanks a lot.
Elli
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FreeBMD brings up a marriage for Frank P and Fanny Bunn, in Aston, in the March quarter of 1918 - looks like the family moved back to the Birmingham area after George William's death.
Findmypast.com shows Frank, wife Fanny, children William, Herbert George and Frank Jr arriving in 1925 ... Frank & Fanny appear on the 1930 and 1936 NSW Voter Lists, living in Granville NSW (my old stomping ground lol).
Have also found marriages for William, to Gladys Lavinia Bartholomew, in Granville in 1942 and Herbert George to Ruby Burkett at Concord in 1943. Can't find anything for Frank Jr as yet, though.
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Thanks Deb D that brilliant.
Something else that I have stumbled on is where is George William in 1861? I have serached every census record I can find to locate him and he doesn't seem to be anywhere. I have found that I think his mother died in 1852 and his father in 1859, his sister was staying with their aunt and his brother was a lodger with the Evans family but I cannot find George or his other brothers anywhere. Wondering whether he enlisted earlier than he should have for his age????
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Hi Elli,
A friend from Australia told me you were searching for information on George Crowther-Wilkinson. I am Frank Pullen Crowther-Wilkinson's grandaughter and am discovering cousins all over Britain. George remarried after the death of Maria from childbirth complications and he had a son -- Victor Lyndhurst Crowther-Wilkinson. One of my cousins in England has done extensive research on the family and I'm sure would be happy to pass on what she has to you. Frank Pullen and Fanny Bunn had six boys -- Herbert, William (deceased), Frank, Sydney, Victor and Arthur (deceased). We also recently discovered a cousin in Wales on Facebook. There are now four generations of Crowther-Wilkinsons living in Australia. All except for one of my first cousins has kept the hyphenated name.
Cheers,
Gail
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Frank Crowther-Wilkinson, his wife Fanny and three sons Herbert, William and Frank left England in 1925 on The Balranald and settled in the Sydney suburb of Granville.
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There y'go, Elli - Gail is the girl I went to school with, luckily we got back in touch a couple of years ago (via FriendsReunited, in fact!). You two can take it from here ;D
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Thanks so much Deb D, you're a star!
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Gail has sent me your queries about the Crowther-Wilkinsons and I have a large amount of information!!! George William was my great grandfather and my mother was able to fill in a lot of gaps in the information added to all the things from Australia. We didn't know that she had any cousins in Oz until my cousin's husband was looking something up on the White pages and asked her if she had relatives there! Her sister contacted Frank and that led to ......!
I am still trying to find out why George William went to Bangor and there aren't any concrete things to say why but it would seem that he volunteered for the Militia. I, too have a gap when he was in his 20's but newly found cousin Shirley sent me a lot of photos and there is one of him obviously abroad. He moved to Portsmouth to be in the Royal Marines and was a Physical Instructor in Bangor, North Wales.
I have a copy of George's enlistment paper -the only surviving paper for him (I had a professional searcher looking for things as could not make any headway with the ADMs etc). He gave his age as 19 but he was, in fact, 15 and was born on the 5th May 1844. The difficulty in tracing his birth certificate was the he was born Crowther and not Wilkinson! He enlisted as a Wilkinson and my theory is that he did not want to be associated with his father, Jonathon Crowther, who had given fictitious accounts to the Times newspaper (he was a Times Correspondent) and was given the sack. I went to the Times archives and copied out the 7 letters sent to him. He probably did it as his wife had died and he was left with a very young family of 10 children.
If you can let me have an address I can send on a lot of the information. You can also see the research on the Crowther ancestors done by the Makinsons on their website. http://home.comcast.net/~makinson/index.htm and then go into the family tab to Crowther. We had got stuck on Wilkinson as that was given as father's name on GW. marriage certificate and the Makinsons had got stuck on the descendents of Jonathon Crowther!
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What a fascinating thread is unravelling here, I am reading it agog!!
You lucky 'Crowther Wilkinsons'. What us Joneses, Roberts and Hugheses wouldn't give for a distinctive name like that to research!
I loved reading this!
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It's not quite as easy as it may sound - George William's father was called Crowther and then George William took on the name Wilkinson when he joined the army! Some of the descendents have both names, some are hypenated, some only have one of them and amazingly more likely to have taken the Wilkinson part instead of the Crowther!
It's taking some doing but I understand where your coming from Bronnie!
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hello elli8982, Im matthew lock grandson of Arthur Robert Edwards from Bangor, Gwynedd. Arthur Edward Crowther wilkinson was my grandads grandad, so that means he's my great great grandfather. i have looked into this as my mother was telling me about him and his brother dieing in world war 1. my grandfather has loads of books and pictures of old family photos and knows alot of information about the crowther wilkinsons as he and i am a crowther wilkinson decendant. I am interested in looking up the family tree and its more fastinating as i am in the british forces. try reply. !¬
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I find it sad that Arthur Edward Crowther Wilkinson was killed in action 28/2/1917 with the 10th Battalion RWF barely two weeks after his youngest child Jessica was born. He married Maggie Williams 18/2/1908 at Bangor Registry Office. Maria Crowther born 20/6/1908, Lily Crowther 22/6/1910, Arthur Edward Crowther 18/4/1914.
No doubt you are aware of his entry with photo (and his brother Herbert) in the book Cofeb y Dewrion
http://www.bangorcivicsociety.org.uk/pages/hisso/cofeb/index.htm
He had attested 30th November 1915 and was put in Class B Reserves. He was mobilised 24th June 1916. After training at Kinmel Camp he was posted to th 10th Battalion in France on 15th November 1916
The War Diary entry for 28/2/1917 states that the battalion was relieved in the trenches by the 1st Royal Scots. 9 men were killed and 9 wounded that day. Nothing about how but it will most probably have been shelling etc as opposed to any action/attacks.
Gwil