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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Oxfordshire => Topic started by: lisauk on Thursday 03 February 05 21:54 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone help no matter how small the information.
I am looking for the birth palce and the parents of James Alexander Breakspeare or Breakspear.
James married Selina Bridgwater in 1902 Oxford and was born around 1871.
I have found a record online which states his name as Alexander James Breakspeare for his marriage but I am unsure as I thought he name was james but I do know that this is definately my relation that married Selina Bridgwater in 1902.
Any information would be a great help, my breakspear's may have been travellers.....
Cheers Lisa
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Oh, dear - not a lot of help, I'm afraid.
The only reference I can find so far is this:
Living 55 Nelson Street, Oxford St Thomas
Ann Breakspeare born c. 1842 Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, England Unmarried, Housekeeper Oxford St Thomas
James Breakspeare born c. 1868 Hardwick, Oxfordshire, England Son, Oxford St Thomas
John French born c.a 1834 Heyford, Oxfordshire, England Head, Carpenter Oxford St Thomas
Ann's relationship to John French is given as Housekeeper
and John Breakspeare's relationship to him is given as unknown.
Although Ann's birth year is given s 1842 it is very difficult to read on image - she may be younger.
I can't find them in 1871
Tricia :'(
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If you send for the marriage cert it should give his father's name (or not if he was illegitimate). And, he probably called himself by his middle name -lots did.
Tricia
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Lisa, I can't answer your question but we may be of use to each other in the future. I'm researching the tree of a friend who has cousins called Breakspeare. We don't know the connection yet, she's waiting for information from her brother, but it's likely that a Breakspeare married a Scott early in the 20th century. If you recognise that, PM me.
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Update - have found him on 1871;-
James Breakspear 3 Hardwick, Oxfordshire, England Stanton Harcourt Oxfordshire
Hannah Clack 69 Stanton Harcourt Wife Stanton Harcourt Oxfordshire
James Clack 70 Stanton Harcourt Head Agric lab Stanton Harcourt Oxfordshire
Sod's law........ Doesn't give an address and doesn't state relationship, if any, of James to these people!!!
Tricia
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The mystery deepens - you'll wish you never asked.
1871; one possibility for mum??
Ann E Breakspear 20 Oxfordshire, England Daughter Needlewoman St Aldate Oxfordshire
Lydia Breakspear 11 Wellington St, London, England Daughter St Aldate Oxfordshire
William Breakspear 44 St Peter Bailey, Oxfordshire, England Head Plasterer St Aldate Oxfordshire
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I think you should send for marriage cert to verify his occup and father's name and possibly his name.
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Thank you for everyones input very much appriciated.
I have also found a James Breakspear, Born 1871 on the 1891 census he was 20 which would be the right age and he is a soldier.
Would this mans military record tell me anything and where could i get it from?
Please keep looking for me it is all very interesting.
Suttontrust i dont know of any scott as yet but i will let you know if i come across one.
Finding James parents is turning out to be a problem.
Cheers Lisa
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There is also a James Breakspeare on the 1901 census aged 40 married to a different person. Now, it can only be this chap if the 1st wife died and he re-married within 2 years. Perfectly feasible especially if all these ages are being recorded incorrectly.
That's why it is important to send for his marriage cert with Selina - it should have a wealth of inform and should state if he was a batchelor or widower. If it is the soldier boy it may say this on the cert.(I can't see this soldier boy on 1901) but he may be the same person as the chap on 1871 and 1891.
Witnesses on certs can be important as well.It is also the only piece of concrete evidence that you have. This is not an easy search and I think everything hinges on sending for it. What do you think?? ??? If he has a named father we need to search again. Until then it is only guesswork.
Tricia
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1901 chap - but living in Lancashire
Ellen breakspear 38 Lincolnshire, England Wife Litherland Lancashire
James breakspear 40 Oxfordshire, England Head Litherland Lancashire
No address recorded. His occupation is a labourer preceded by a word I can't decipher
Tricia
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Send for it under Selina's name in case there is a problem with his first name.
It may be quicker at the moment to apply direct to Oxford enclosing a self addressed stamped envelope, a cheque for £7 payable to Superintendant Registrar and the marriage request.
Or you could give them a ring first to check they are willing to provide it. They don't need the reference numbers - this is just for the GRO Office in Southport.(which is unindated with requests at the moment.
Bridgwater, Selina
Quarter ending June 1902
Oxford
Volume: 3a
Page: 1555
Register Office
Tidmarsh Lane, Oxford, OX1 1NS.
Tel: 0845 129 5900.
Sorry if you know all this ;D ;D
Tricia
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Can I order the certifcate online somewhere?
James had children from the years 1902 - 1920 as far as I know they were all with Selina.
I will order the marriage certificate as it is the only thing to do next.
Lisa
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You can order it on line at www.1837online.com but as I said it will get a couple of weeks or longer as they are so busy.
It's up to you ;)
Tricia
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I may go to Oxford Records Office tomorrow can I order one there?
Can you view the information on the certificate at Oxford records Office?
Will i find out his fathers names etc from the Oxford records Office?
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Don't think they let you view certificates - you have to purchase for £7 - no cheap way round this, I'm afraid.
You can only get his name from birth/marriage cert.
Tricia
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I was not worried about paying the money it was just the time it takes to get the certificate that i was concerned about.
Cheers Lisa
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Sorry, didn't mean it like that. :-\
Good luck :D
Tricia
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Sorry i did not mean it like that either, did not want people to think i was tight thats all :-)
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I have been ringing 0845 129 5900 and press 5 for certificates for the last 25 mins but an answerphone keeps answers saying there is noone available to take your call at the moment and you can not leave a message.
The first time I rang someone answered but the answer phone cut in and they put the phone down, what is going on at the Oxford Registry Office???
How annoying.
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Don't give up now - wait til after 2pm - probably a bit like Post Offices and Banks - they all go to lunch at the same time.
Everyone has been researching over the weekend,I expect. Hang in there - you're to close to quit
Tricia :-[
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I just got through to the Oxford Registy Office but they can not help me until I know which church the marriage took place in, does anyone have copies of the registers or know how I can find this information out?
Cheers Lisa
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Have sent you a message
Tricia
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I have found my gt gt gran on the www.1837online.co.uk website but I am unable to find her birth.
Her death is registered as Annie Breakspear, Headington 1892 age 52, I have found a Mary Ann Breakspear born Chipping Norton in 1839 but I am unsure if this could be her.
Could anyone take a look on the 1841, 1851 and 1861 census’s for me and see if you can find the Mary Ann Breakspear and may be she will have a connection to Hardwick, Stanton Harcourt or even the Clack family.
Cheers Lisa
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Guess I jumped in to quickly with Mary Ann I have found my gt gt gran on the 1838 page on www.1837online.co.uk
She was born in Jul-Aug-Sep 1838.
Registered as Ann Breakspear, Witney
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So this would tie in with the 13 yr old found in the 1851 census
From 1851 census
172 - Stanton Harcourt
Rebecca Breakspear H W 45 Frock Maker NK
Ann Breakspear d 13 Frock Maker SH
Eliza D 6 SH
did some digging on Rebecca
Marriage from Southleigh Oxfordshire
1822 5th February Thomas Breakspear = Rebecca Ayres
Registers for Hanborough Oxfordshire
baptisms
1828 Jan 27 Ann d/o Thomas & Rebecca Breakspear lab
1829 Mar 12th Ann d/o Thomas & Rebecca Breakspear lab
1832 Mar 25th Elizabeth d/o Thomas & Rebecca lab
burials
1828 Jul 6 Ann Breakspear aged 6m
1834 Jun 6th Thomas Breakspeare aged 30
marriage 1835 September 8th - Handborough Oxfordshire
William Stockford bach = Rebecca Breakspear widow
This is the only Rebecca Breakspear I can find in the area at the time - the plot thickens!!
Debbie
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I would like to find out more information about the Soldier James Breakspear who was 20 he was in the 1st Battalion Oxfordshire Light Infantry, Alverstoke, Hampshire on the 1891 cenus.
Can someone tell me exactly what information i need to find to get a copy of his records and where I can obtain them from.
Kind regards Lisa
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I have just been looking at all this information - I wondered if anyone would know the father of this Thomas Breakspear? I have my family tree through Handborough,Eynsham, Freeland.
I have traced my direct family back to 1760 and am trying to get back a bit further with great difficulty. In my direct line I have a few children born to an Ann Breakspear (1824) - Augustine Breakspear, James Lay Breakspear, Mary Ann Breakspear and Sarah Ann Breakspear - all out of wedlock. Ann went on to marry a John Jarrett and have another 3 - 4 children. Ann Breakspear's father was Richard Breakspear (1783)married to Mary Coombes. They had 8 children between them.
Anyone with any links to any of these people would be fantastic. I have lots of information too on individuals, but I would love to link some of them to others family trees.
Karen Breakspear ;D