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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Perthshire => Topic started by: annejan_1 on Monday 17 November 08 20:42 GMT (UK)
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Looking to solve 2 mysteries. First death information on Duncan McLaren b. Jan. 11, 1784 m. Isobel McGregor Dec. 11, 1813 then they seem to disappear.
Second his nephew Peter b. Oct. 30, 1825 m. Janet McLaren Dec. 16, 1849. She remarries Robert McKerracker in Canada. Family Bible says Peter died May 20, 1855 but not how or where or where he is buried.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Also does anyone know of any historical fiction depicting life draining the Mosses? Thanks Jan
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I have a copy of an old magazine article about the clearing of the Moss if that would be of interest to you.
I don't know of any fictional writings though.
Cheers.
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Thanks for the reply. I have one article called "The Moss Lairds" by an Achie McKerracker. If yours is different I'd sure be interested as I'm descended from 3 families that lived that experience. Getting it to me might be a problem as I live in Canada.
Thanks again :)
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PM me with your e-mail address and I will try to send it as an attachment.
Cheers.
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The article came through fine and has been read with interest. Very complex and long term undertaking was the draining of the moss. Fascinating for me to read how my folks would have carved out a dwelling albeit a bit damp. Also new to me was the varying depth to the peat. From the description it looks like my Kirk Lane folk were in the deep end (10'-12') and probably were experienced from work on the shallower Drip Moss/Low Moss end.
Thanks for your trouble. Its greatly appreciated. :)
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Glad you found that article of interest.
Here is a sketch that tries to show the habitats of those engaged in clearing the Moss.
(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee209/38fergie/Roots%20Chat/DwellingIllusA.jpg)
I think I scanned it from a book titled 'Thornhill and its environs'
Cheers
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Thank-you Fergie - another real gem to have. I can feel the damp and cold although can't imagine the wind being a problem.
Back to the Fergusons. My connection is Mary who, while she married John McLaren in Comrie (1782), was living on the moss (Wester Rossburn) until at least 1798. She isn't listed alive or predeceased at the family's location, # 3 Kirk Lane, when the 1814 census was completed for the Moss. The Duncan in my original post was her son. Her daughter Mary married a James Ferguson.
Would you have any idea where ships bound for Canada or Australia left from in the area?
This is all like a great detective novel!! Cheers, annejan
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Hi Anne -
www.theshipslist.com/ships/passengerlists
may help..
I have the Brig Sophia from Freenock 26 Jul 1818 to Quebec and Montreal
There is McLaren families out of Balquidder and Ferguson families out of Kincardine.
It may help.
Heaps of luck with the McLarens/Fergusons ::) cannot find any connections with mine..but you never know LOL
patvp p.s. have a look at the thread Daniel Ferguson (stuck again) that's my lot
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Hi again - Do you have a date of birth for Mary Ferguson and a place of birth may help
Have a Mary on my print out of OPR's born 1762 at Balquidder to Duncan Ferguson and Margaret McGrigor.
All the best ..Patvp
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Sorry I have no birth or death date for Mary Ferguson - only that she married John McLaren in Comrie Dec. 17/1782. He is reportedly born @ 1752 in Balquidder. No death dates for either.
They lived at Wester Rossburn and she must have been alive for the last child's birth @1800. By the census of 1814 they are living on Kirk Lane but Mary isn't mentioned - just John and 7 kids.
They would have been my 3rd G grandparents thru the oldest son Duncan.
thanks for the try, annejan :)
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Hi Anne - do you mean 1841 census ???
That would have made John McLaren c1752 at Least 89 years old.
patvp
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No, I'm referring to the special census commissioned for the Blair Drummond Moss area in 1814. It lists each allotment on each lane on the moss giving the names & ages of the family members, their meagre possessions, where they came from and how long they had been on the moss. In this John is listed as 62 years old. Would you like the URL?
cheers, annejan
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Hi Anne - Yes that would be helpful, am more curious than anything else. :P So many Ferguson's and McLaren's
, the mind "boggles"
My g/g/grandmother was a Jane Ferguson born 1830 Thornhill, Kincardine. she died in 1891 at Deanstone, Kilmadock.
Her father was John Ferguson c1792 Callander he died in 1870 Kincardine, and Jane McGregor 1797-1870.
His father was Duncan Ferguson c1772 (shepherd) and Janet McNab.
Still have a long way to go before I sort them all out.
Don't know if you have the birth from Scotland People.
Parents John McLaren and Mary Ferguson if not let me know have printed them out..it may be a help ..regards patvp
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I just realized that its a document so no URL. It was kindly sent to me by another McLaren in Scotland. If you send me a pm I'll send it as an attachment. annejan
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(http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee209/38fergie/Roots%20Chat/HeadstoneBlairdrummond.jpg)
I took the above photo a few months ago while on a visit to Blairbrummond cemetery.
I thought it might be of interest to you.
It's the only stone that I saw bearing both the names 'Ferguson' and 'McLaren'
Could I request a copy of the 1814 census that you have. I only have a copy of one page.
Fergie.
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Thanks for that Fergie, am still checking it out, must fit somewhere !!
Re the 1814 census send me a PM or my e.mail
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Fergie - was that you that sent me an e.mail just signed Robert at talk.talk
Not sure whether to open or not ;D all the best Patvp
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Yes, it was me. 8)
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Hi Fergie - have just sent you the Moss Census - big file so hope you have it o.k. be sure to let me know.
As always..patvp
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Thank you Pat.
That Moss Census is a brillient document. I spent ages last night looking through it and will now have to do some serious re-thinking about my ancestors location at that time.
My GGG grandfather, Peter Ferguson, was born in Kincardine in 1801 and I had assumed that they lived on the moss at that time. but neither him nor his parents, Donald and Marren, are on the Moss Census in 1814 although Peter was farming ( and clearing) at Robertson Lane in 1841.
So it's more head scratching and trying to figure out, if they were not on the Moss, where were they ????
Fergie
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Hi Fergie - ::) know exactly how you feel.
Think we may have gone through this before..have no Peter, but do have a Daniel c1803 born Callander his parents Daniel and Marrian Ferguson. Daniel married Margaret McLaren.
Appears quite a few folk from Callander were on the Moss but so far cannot tie my lot in either.
Have forwarded an 1841 census with a couple of Feruson's on it, my lot are the McKay's at Laurencfield he (Alexander) must have bought "Rhinanclach"from James Stewart later !!! and am still trying to sort it all out.
Sometimes it is all so confusing LOL.
Talk later..Pat
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My peter Ferguson married Ann McNaughtan on 24 November 1824 in Kincardine.
The Ferguson's on the 1841 census don't have any connection to my lot. But then again...I have just now spotted one of my Donald/Daniel Ferguson's born 1807 which makes him the same age as the one in your census page . ???
Just uncovered a ledger dated 1912, that gives (among other things) a list opf tenants on Blairdrummond Estate and the rents they were paying.
There is only one 'Mrs McLaren' in Kirk Lane.
I can email you a copy of the page if you wish.
Fergie
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Hi Fergie and Pat, Glad you've found the 1814 census as interesting as I did. Luckily my folks were all there on Kirk Lane: McLarens at #3, McGregors at #5 and McKerracchers farther up the lane at #32.
So, Fergie, you can see how nicely the account and sketch fit into the picture for me.
If anyone finds transcriptions for the old cemetary there - the one in your gravestone picture Fergie, I'd love to look for Duncan McLaren (b.Comrie 1784) and his nephew Peter McLaren (b. 1825 Blair Drummond Moss & d. May, 1855 the Moss)
Happing hunting to all ...... Jan
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I will keep a lookout for McLaren headstones the next time I visit Blairdrummond.
I don't know when that will be though.
Can I assume that you have seen the McLaren's listed in the 1851 index for the Parish of Kincardine.
Cheers.
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No, I don't believe I have seen the 1851 index - hard to get going from Canada. I'm just going to have to get there to wander these places and spend time in archives etc. :)
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Cheers! Jan
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Jan.
You have an email.
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Hi Jan and Fergie - Well at least you two are getting somewhere..am still looking for a marriage of Daniel Ferguson and Margaret McLaren ??? can't find one anywhere SP or IGI that's in Port of Monteith or Callander..what a conundrum ;D
too hot and sticky to do anything this morning..looks like rain.
as always Pat
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Yes please Fergie..could you send me the relevant page would be appreciated..not that I am hanging on to hope ;D
Pat
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Thanks muchly Fergie - How did you get the rental pages..curious to see more.
Regards Pat
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Hi all!
I have lots of people from "The Moss" in my tree. Virtually all lines on my mother's side can be found there.
I have Fergusons living in Summerlane, and Rossburn Lane.
McFarlanes in Kirk Lane (they moved there from Balquhidder before the 1814 Census) - I attach a photo of my ggg gran who was born and died there in 1828, Isabella McFarlane.
Also I attach a photo of my 4x great gran Jean McLaren born 1800 in Westwood Lane. Her father John McLaren moved there in 1788 from Lochearnside.
I also have Dows, Robertsons, Kings and McCalls on all of those roads.
I have photos of the area taken recently if anyone wants to see them.
I would love to see the 1912 document referred to as I know my family were still there then.
I would be delighted to share info with anyone who thinks we may have a connection.
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Hi valr - Wish I could sort out my McLarens and Ferguson's like that... ;D but we keep plodding on..how lucky you are.
Re the Moss census if you PM me your e.mail address will forward to you o.k.
From a wet and muggy Queensland..Patvp
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Hi Jan - Meant to say thank-you before now re the 1814 Moss census..or did I.. ;D
Also do you have any more info re the McGregors at Kirk Lane.
Any info appreciated.
Regards and thanks..patvp
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Hello, there is a name I know Annejan, have you still got your old E-mail addy?? McKerracher resercher amongst others, go to http://buchananstewart.tribalpages.com
regards Doun
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Hi,
I am related to McGregors, McLarens and McCallums all from Kirklane.
My grandmother was Marion McGregor 1887-1975 She was born in Kirklane as was my great grandparents, John McGregor and his wife also my great, great grandparents James McGregor and Janet McCallum.. They are buried in the old graveyard at the top of Kirklane opposite the church.
I live only about four miles from Kirklane, Parish of Kincardine, Perthshire, now within Stirling District, so I know quite a lot and have loads of information.
I can easily call there and photograph graves, buildings etc.,
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Thanks for the note. Have you seen the 1814 Moss Census? My folks came from # 3 Kirk Lane (McLarens) - Duncan, age 29 then, was my 3 Gr. grandfather. He married Isobel McGregor late that year. I'm assuming she is the Isobel from #5, daughter of John & Janet.
My other line comes from #32 Kirk Lane John McKerracher and Elizabeth McNaughton are my 4G. grandparents. My line follows from son Finlay, age 35 in 1814. His Son Robert eventually married Duncan McLaren's daughter Janet. They are my gg grandparents.
Re: the McLarens at #3. I have a death certificate for Duncan's younger brother Peter. He died in Gargunnock in late fall 1855. It also says his son Peter died on the Moss in the spring of that year and Peter's daughter Isobel died 2 years earlier.
Some of the McLarens and the whole Finlay McKerracher family came to Canada.
Would it be alright if I emailed you direct to tell you who/what I'm looking for?.
Jan
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My ancestors are
Alexander McCallum and Margaret McLaren then
Janet McCallum and James McGregor then
John McGregor 1861-1935 and Ann Dunsmore 1858-1949
Not sure if this family line is yours.
My McGregor line goes further back they are
Alexander McGregor 1766-1837 then
John McGregor 1803-1886 and Marion Mene Robertson.
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and I will reply.
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Someone i know was working on an old house, when he found an old newspaper under the floor.
He gave me a quick look one day and i came across this article.
Don't know if it will be of any use to anyone.
THE NORTH BRITISH AGRICULTURIST.
December 17 1890.
Disappearance of a Farmer.
A farmer named Alexander McLaren
residing in Kirklane, Blairdrummond has been
missing since Wednesday last and fears are
entertained that he has accidentley fallen
into the Forth and drowned.
There was a market at Kippen on Wednesday
and McLaren bought some cattle there, with
which he left the village shortly after darkness
had set in, intending to drive them home.
He was last seen in the vicinity of the
Bridge of Frew, which crosses the Forth in
Kippen Parish.
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Thanks for posting this piece from the old Paper. As I have McLarens who farmed on Kirk Lane I found it interesting. I must dig out my files to see if there is a possibility it could have been one of them. I have an ordnance map of the area and see Kippen but not the Bridge of Frew. I am in Canada - can you tell me where it might be or is it a place that doesn't exist now?
A story like this begs as many questions as the details it gives. I wonder, for instance, why wait 'til dark to start back over territory like that? Whiskey tents as the sale? :) What happened to the cattle? ??? etc. etc. Thanks again for your thoughtful posting. Jan
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Hi Jan and Fergie - Well at least you two are getting somewhere..am still looking for a marriage of Daniel Ferguson and Margaret McLaren ??? can't find one anywhere SP or IGI that's in Port of Monteith or Callander..what a conundrum ;D
too hot and sticky to do anything this morning..looks like rain.
as always Pat
Could this be the one you're looking for?
DONALD FERGUSSON
Marriages:
Spouse: MARGARET MACLAREN
Marriage:
26 JUL 1835 Callander, Perth, Scotland
Regards,
Nel
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Hi annejan.
If you look at your OS map the Bridge of Frew crosses the Forth on the B822
Kippen too Thornhill road (of course in 1890 the roads wouldn't have been numbered) there is a newer bridge there now but i think the remains of the old bridge are near Fordhead farm.
It looks to me that he has intented to go the B822 turn off at Frew Toll on to the B8031 (Coldoch rd) join the B873 Blairdrummond then down the Kirklane
from there, not 100% sure ,but i think that would have been the nearest crossing point of the river.
There probably was a bit of drinking being done, and being that time of year
it would have been getting dark around 3 in the afternoon.
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Thanks Nel for that info but I had already found it just at the begining of this year.
Hi Kenny - Another little snippet of info..where do you find them. Am going to have another look at the Moss census this morning and see if I can find some connections i.e. Stewart/Ferguson/McLaren..and the whole damned thing.
All the best Pat
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valr - I noticed you had McFarlane's from Kirk Lane.
Would the following MI from a stone in Blair Drummond fit with any of yours:
"To the memory of John McFarlane, late of Kirklane died 15th? June 1851 aged 64
John his son died 2nd? December 1852 aged 26
Thomas his son died ? May? 1864? aged 36
Margaret Graham his wife died 19th? ............?
And their? children
Charles died May 18?? aged 43 years
Isabella died March ???? aged 65 years"
The inscription is quite worn so the above is just what I can make out.
Anne
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Fergie,
My name is Ken Hill, my Gt, Gt Gt Grand parents were Peter Ferguson and Ann McNaughtan. My Gt Gt Grand Mother was Margaret Ferguson, thier daughter b 1840, she married my Gt Gt Grandfather Robert Hill in 1861 and died in Roxburgh in 1917. Their son Peter, my Gt Grandfather emigrated to Canada with his family in 1903. In the old manner I am Peter's, Margaret's, Robert's, Peter's, Peter's, David's son Kenneth, and I am understanding your post's correctly we are 1st cousins 4 times removed. I have been stuck on the Ferguson side for several years now and have some leads the most interesting is the Fersuson's were on the homestead next to my Gt Grandfather in Saskatchewan. They were always refered to as cousins but I was never able to prove a definative link. I have my work on Rootsweb world connect at the following link:
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=kandshill_gamma&id=I01578
The information back from Peter and Ann is speculation and I have been working for at least five years off and on to confirm it. Happy to meet you. The email contact at the link is correct. Looking forward to hearing from you.
Ken Hill
Thank you Pat.
That Moss Census is a brillient document. I spent ages last night looking through it and will now have to do some serious re-thinking about my ancestors location at that time.
My GGG grandfather, Peter Ferguson, was born in Kincardine in 1801 and I had assumed that they lived on the moss at that time. but neither him nor his parents, Donald and Marren, are on the Moss Census in 1814 although Peter was farming ( and clearing) at Robertson Lane in 1841.
So it's more head scratching and trying to figure out, if they were not on the Moss, where were they ????
Fergie
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Hello Cousin Ken.
Yes there is a definite connection there as Peter and Ann were also my G. G. G. grandparents.
You have email.
Robert.
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Try the Gargunnock history website.
It is run by a John Mclaren who's family have been in the area since the 1700's
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valr - I noticed you had McFarlane's from Kirk Lane.
Would the following MI from a stone in Blar Drummond fit with any of yours:
"To the memory of John McFarlane, late of Kirklane died 15th? June 1851 aged 64
John his son died 2nd? December 1852 aged 26
Thomas his son died ? May? 1864? aged 36
Margaret Graham his wife died 19th? ............?
And their? children
Charles died May 18?? aged 43 years
Isabella died March ???? aged 65 years"
Thanks Ann and sorry for being so slow in replying! Unfortunately those names are not in my tree but there may just be a distant connection I havent found yet!
Val
The inscription is quite worn so the above is just what I can make out.
Anne
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Ann! I have found the connection to the people in the gravestone you mentioned. My ggg grandfather's brother, wife and children .... :)
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Fantastic!!!
If you send me your personal e-mail address by PM, I'll send you copies of the photos I took of the stone. They're not particularly good but you can just make out most of the inscription!
Anne
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Thanks again for the photos Anne!
Val
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My pleasure Val!
Anne :)
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STEWART/MCLAREN connection
My gg grandmother, Jane McLaren (also Val's ancestor) married Duncan Stewart, who was originally from Balquhidder, Lochearn area, Achra (Auchraw) to be specific.
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Does anyone have any information on an Archibald/Alexander McLaren that married a Catherine Lamb on 23 March 1806? on his marriage certificate, he is listed as living in Kirk Lane so presumably he was a moss laird or at least the son of one. He had three children, John born 1807 in Kirk Lane, Mary born 1809 in Falkirk and my direct ancestor Archibald born sometime around 1814 in Saint John, New Brunswick. Unfortunately, he isn't on the moss census as he left before it was taken and I have found it nigh on impossible to trace his tree back any further. Ancestry hints seem to be suggesting that his father may have been a "Robert Crotich McLaren" but without a paper trail, I am hesitant to assume that is correct. Any help would be much appreciated.
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Hi Ross,
I have no information on your McLarens, but thought you might be interested in this article about the Moss Lairds put together by Chuck Speed.
https://www.chuckspeed.com/balquhidder/history/The%20Moss%20Lairds.htm
Also, on Scotlands People there is a marriage of an Alexander McLaren to a Catherine Lamb, which you may already have, in Kippen in 1806.
Achra
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P.S. The article by Chuck is taken from “The Moss Lairds” by Archie MacKerracher
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That is a brilliant piece of reading.