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Title: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: Westy on Tuesday 18 November 08 15:14 GMT (UK)
Hi
I have been researching my Grandad, John (Jack) Burke b1908 and his parents Patrick b1800 & Margaret (Maggie) Mythen b 1881. I have recently received a copy of the 1911 Census for him and have found out the names of his siblings for the first time.
Patrick b 1902
James b 1903
Charles b 1906
Maggie b 1909
They lived in Mounthoward Lower, Monamolin, Gorey Co. Wexford.
My Grandad died in 1997 and until I started my quest no one in the family knew anything about his Irish family at all, which is funny seeing that he had 6 children. Does anybody out there know of the family or better still are doing research as well and may have any of them in their tree. I would really appreciate any infomation as living in the UK it is very hard to do any kind of research.
Cheers
Westy
Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: HODGKISS77 on Wednesday 04 February 09 00:54 GMT (UK)
Hello there.

I am not sure if we havea match but My grandfather was called Patrick Joseph Burke born 1902 in the area u state your Grandfather was born and lived.
I have very little info other than he maried my Grandmother Margaret Mary Sunderland in the late 1920's in Ferns near Enniscorthy Co Wexford?

Doyou have any other info on your Burke Family as i will ask my Mother as she would know more info.

Regards

Hodgkiss77
Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: deepthinker on Wednesday 04 February 09 10:54 GMT (UK)
Irish civil registrations (1845-1958) went on-line this week (February 2009).  You can search for individuals or just surnames at:

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=2;t=searchable;c=1408347

I too have families originating in Ferns and Camolin and Ballycanew and Gorey etc etc, but no Burkes it would appear.

Good luck.

deepthinker
Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: Westy on Wednesday 04 February 09 17:53 GMT (UK)
My grandfather John (Jack) Burke had a brother called Patrick born in 1902 and his parents were Patrick b1880 and Maggie Mythen b1881 they were married in Boolavogue Catholic Church in 1900. If you can find out his parents name then we may have a match. My grandad came to the UK somewhen in the 1920's / 1930's and married Lily Hutchings. The other children were James,Charles & Margaret. It would be great if there was a link
Cheers
Steve
Thanks deepthinker for the link to the new on-line Irish records I have found a few names but now have to find out how to view the records !!
Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: shanew147 on Wednesday 04 February 09 19:38 GMT (UK)
The familysearch website does not have the record details to go with the index,
if you find a promising record on the index search you can use the details to order a cert form the GRO - see thier website : www.groireland.ie

they will require the name, year & quarter, registration district, volume no. & page


Shane
Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: HODGKISS77 on Thursday 05 February 09 03:56 GMT (UK)
Hello!

I have just found out some informtion from my mother about my Grandfather Patrick Burke.
He was Born in September 1905 in Townland-Ballytracey-The barony is Gorey and the Parish is Kilcormick and the PLU is Enniscorthy,Co Wexford.
His Parents Where Michael Burke And annie Leary both living In Ballytracey.
Perhaps My Michael Burke could be related to yours as think my Grandfather may not fit in as he was born in 1905 excact!
I am very aware that Boleyvogue is very near Ballytracey so there must be a connection with my Burkes and yours?
I am sorry i don't have any further Info apart from the above and all that i have already posted on here?

hope to recieve a reply from you soon....it would be interesting to see if our Burkes are related in some way?

Regards

Hodgkiss77
Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: HODGKISS77 on Thursday 05 February 09 04:00 GMT (UK)
Hello Deepthinker...
You mentioned that you have familyin the ferns area....You don't have any Furlongs-Sunderlands or Leary's do you ? I amalso currently trying to trace them to!
Any info would be of help if you are researching any of these names?
Regards
Hodgkiss77

Irish civil registrations (1845-1958) went on-line this week (February 2009).  You can search for individuals or just surnames at:

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=2;t=searchable;c=1408347

I too have families originating in Ferns and Camolin and Ballycanew and Gorey etc etc, but no Burkes it would appear.

Good luck.

deepthinker
Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: trying hard on Wednesday 31 March 10 13:10 BST (UK)
Hi
I have been researching my Grandad, John (Jack) Burke b1908 and his parents Patrick b1800 & Margaret (Maggie) Mythen b 1881. I have recently received a copy of the 1911 Census for him and have found out the names of his siblings for the first time.
Patrick b 1902
James b 1903
Charles b 1906
Maggie b 1909
They lived in Mounthoward Lower, Monamolin, Gorey Co. Wexford.
My Grandad died in 1997 and until I started my quest no one in the family knew anything about his Irish family at all, which is funny seeing that he had 6 children. Does anybody out there know of the family or better still are doing research as well and may have any of them in their tree. I would really appreciate any infomation as living in the UK it is very hard to do any kind of research.
Cheers
Westy


My grandmother was Margaret Burke, from Mt. Howard born 1882
Her Parents were:  Patrick Burke and Margaret Swords Mt. Howard

Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: trying hard on Friday 09 April 10 23:12 BST (UK)
Hello Deepthinker...
You mentioned that you have familyin the ferns area....You don't have any Furlongs-Sunderlands or Leary's do you ? I amalso currently trying to trace them to!
Any info would be of help if you are researching any of these names?
Regards
Hodgkiss77
I am researching my family and my grandmother was margaret burke her parents were Patrick burke and margaret swords. from Mt Howard. going through my records  i have come accross a Michael Burke married to Catherine Sunderland 1n 1899 i hope this helps you i am not sure where it fits in with my search if at all yet. good luck

Irish civil registrations (1845-1958) went on-line this week (February 2009).  You can search for individuals or just surnames at:

http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=2;t=searchable;c=1408347

I too have families originating in Ferns and Camolin and Ballycanew and Gorey etc etc, but no Burkes it would appear.

Good luck.

deepthinker
Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: moguemosey on Sunday 25 April 10 21:12 BST (UK)
Hi
I am also researching Burke's of Mounthoward, Monamolin, Gorey. Patrick Burke was born c.1880.
Patrick Burke age 20, son of Patrick Burke, married on 30.9.1900, Margaret Mythen. Witness is James Swords. They have 5 children in the 1911 Census for Mounthoward. I'm sure there must be a connection. Did your Margaret Burke marry more than once?
Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: trying hard on Friday 14 May 10 09:14 BST (UK)
My Grandmother, Margaret Burke married three times!!   First husband died abt.1918.
second husband died 1938, her third husband (1949) was from laoise.
Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: moguemosey on Friday 14 May 10 12:51 BST (UK)
Hi
Your information confirms it; we are researching the same family. I have information on most of Margaret’s seven siblings. Their parents Patrick Burke and Margaret Swords marriage appears in the marriage register in Monamolin RC Church for 1867 but the marriage was not registered with the Civil authorities so it does not appear in the GRO registers, I do not know whose fault this was. Because of this we are unable to find out the Fathers of the Bride and Groom.

Some of Margaret’s nieces, nephews and cousins went to her funeral in another County, but they could not remember where it was.

I would be interested in sharing information. Please contact me through a Personal Message.


Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: Marion B on Tuesday 15 March 11 21:14 GMT (UK)
Here are photos of great grandparents' grave (Thomas and Catherine Burke)and my G Grandfather's brother  (Patrick Burke) and his wife (Margaret) and their son (Michael's) grave.  They are buried in the Monamolin graveyard.

My g grandmother was born Catherine Murphy and was known as 'Bow-wow' and her and Tom lived in Monamolin/Boolavogue.

Anyway, I don't know if the dates on the stones help at all or will just confuse matters as I don't know how many Burkes there are in that area. My grandfather was also called Patrick Burke and was born (I think) in 1899, possibly in Coolroe, but lived at Ballinavounia, Kilmuckridge until he died in 1984.
Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: rosemod60 on Sunday 20 November 11 18:02 GMT (UK)
Any chance you would have information on James Kinsley (Kinsella) born abt 1754 Mount Howard Lower, Monamolin, Wexford?  He married a Mary Sinnot (var spellings) and they had the following children, born between 1805 and 1818: Catherine, Michael, John, James, Mary, William, David and Ellen.

Some members of this family emigrated to Wyoming County, Pa and eventually founded the village of Stowell there, where they built a church that still stands today.

Thank you for any help that you can offer.

Mary
Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: moguemosey on Thursday 24 November 11 00:31 GMT (UK)
Hi Mary

I do not have much original information on our Kinsella of Mounthoward line. It mostly comes from the Family Tree on the Internet for Kinsley of “The Irish Settlement”, which you are probably aware of.

On that Tree it shows the Mary Kinsella you mention (daughter of James Kinsley and Mary Sinnott) in your post marrying Michael Swords.

Their daughter Margaret Swords married Patrick Burke in 1867.

On the headstones in the previous post, by Marion B, you will see:

Patrick Burke died 30th March 1963 aged 81 yrs,
Thomas Burke died 12th Oct 1968 aged 88,

Patrick Burke and Thomas Burke are the sons of this Margaret Burke nee Swords and her husband, the above mentioned Patrick Burke, who married in 1867.

I hope this is of some use, and you can understand what I am saying.

In Monamolin Graveyard there are several graves of the later generations of the Kinsella families who remained in Ireland.

I will hopefully attach a copy of the family tree of “The Irish Settlement”

Mogue.

Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: Marion B on Friday 09 December 11 21:42 GMT (UK)
Thanks a lot for supplying this information, moguemosey. I thought I'd found all the information I could.

I now know that I am also a direct decendant of James Kinsella and Mary Sinnott (There must be a lot of us around now...hundreds probably!) They are my Gx5 grandparents. Patrick Burke and Margaret Swords are my GG grandparents. Amazing to stumble on this information.  :)

 
Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: rustico93 on Sunday 02 September 12 13:24 BST (UK)
My Grandmother, Margaret Burke married three times!!   First husband died abt.1918.
second husband died 1938, her third husband (1949) was from laoise.

Hi all,new to RootsChat! My Grandmother was Margaret Burke. She wed Bernard(Bryan?) Redmond 1902.Census of 1911 living Ballinagam Lower,had at least 9 children before Bernard/Bryan died of Spanish Flu in 1918.She wed Edward Doyle in 1920,had 3 children.Edward died 26/12/1938,age 63yrs.
She then wed Patrick Phelan in 1949 - no children. Buried with 2nd. husband Edward in Donaghmore Cemetery, Ballygarrett,Wexford 30/10/1951 age 70yrs. Patrick buried Clonenagh Cemetery,Mountrath,Laoise.
I have no info on my Grandfather at all.
Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: rustico93 on Sunday 02 September 12 16:39 BST (UK)
My Grandmother, Margaret Burke married three times!!   First husband died abt.1918.
second husband died 1938, her third husband (1949) was from laoise.

Hi all,new to RootsChat! My Grandmother was Margaret Burke. She wed Bernard(Bryan?) Redmond 1902.Census of 1911 living Ballinagam Lower,had at least 9 children before Bernard/Bryan died of Spanish Flu in 1918.She wed Edward Doyle in 1920,had 3 children.Edward died 26/12/1938,age 63yrs.
She then wed Patrick Phelan in 1949 - no children. Buried with 2nd. husband Edward in Donaghmore Cemetery, Ballygarrett,Wexford 30/10/1951 age 70yrs. Patrick buried Clonenagh Cemetery,Mountrath,Laoise.
I have no info on my Grandfather at all.
My Grandmother, Margaret Burke married three times!!   First husband died abt.1918.
second husband died 1938, her third husband (1949) was from laoise.

Hi all,new to RootsChat! My Grandmother was Margaret Burke. She wed Bernard(Bryan?) Redmond 1902.Census of 1911 living Ballinagam Lower,had at least 9 children before Bernard/Bryan died of Spanish Flu in 1918.She wed Edward Doyle in 1920,had 3 children.Edward died 26/12/1938,age 63yrs.
She then wed Patrick Phelan in 1949 - no children. Buried with 2nd. husband Edward in Donaghmore Cemetery, Ballygarrett,Wexford 30/10/1951 age 70yrs. Patrick buried Clonenagh Cemetery,Mountrath,Laoise.
I have no info on my Grandfather at all.
Trying Hard 2
Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: moguemosey on Tuesday 17 June 14 23:39 BST (UK)
Hello All.

Sad news.

Marks Burke passed away yesterday, the last of the siblings born to Patrick Burke and Margaret Mythen.

He was in his 95th year.

Funeral tomorrow, Wednesday, in Monamolin after 11 o'clock Mass.

May he rest in peace.

Mogue.
Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: psun on Sunday 19 July 15 05:17 BST (UK)
Hi,

I am also researching Burke's of Mounthoward (just beginning and haven't got very far).
James Burke born approx 1903 Gorey, Co. Wexford, mother's maiden name of Mythen - is my Grandfather. 1911 Census shows him at Mounthoward Lower with parents Patrick and Maggie Burke (nee Mythen). Can anyone here please kindly provide any information regarding this family line/tree? Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Many thanks

Psun.
Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: moguemosey on Thursday 23 July 15 02:28 BST (UK)
Hi Psun, welcome to the Burke family research.

My wife is a Grand Daughter Mary Kinsella (nee Burke), sister of your James Burke.

Where did James move to?

I attach photo of headstone in Monamolin Graveyard.

Michael Burke died 1953 (brother of James)
Mary Kinsella died 1999 (sister of James)
Margaret Burke (nee Mythen) died 1961 (Mother of James)
Patrick Burke died 1963 (Father of James)

Parents of Patrick Burke (died 1963) were Patrick Burke and Margaret Swords. They had eight children.

I attach details of the 8 children

Margaret Swords parents were Michael Swords and Mary Kinsella. They married in 1832.

Follow the Swords Kinsella thread here:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=464164.0

I will send more photos next time

Bye for now
Mogue


Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: moguemosey on Sunday 26 July 15 06:51 BST (UK)
Hi Psun

Before the Monamolin Register was started, all the records appear in the Kilmuckridge (LITTER) Register. The Link is:

Kilmuckridge (Litter):  http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0600

They cannot be searched by name, but they can by date. So I used the Event Filter for MARRIAGES and Date Filter for 1832. It brought me straight to the marriage of Michael Swords and Mary Kinsella on page 75.

You will notice that their marriage is entered twice in the Register, on page 75 and 76, with the entry on p. 76 crossed out. Note the different witnesses.

I attach a copy of both entries.
We will now have to find all their children in the Baptisms, good hunting.

Regards
Mogue



Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: psun on Sunday 26 July 15 06:52 BST (UK)
Hello Mogue,

Thanks for all that information about my Great-Grand parents and their siblings - and the photo too!
It was nice to be able to show my mother the gravestone of her grand parents and the place where they are from and lived.

Regarding my Grand Father James (b.1902), He married Ellen (nee Manley) and they lived inside the Collins Barracks at Dillion's Cross in Cork, James was a Provost Sergeant.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collins_Barracks,_Cork

They had 5 children whilst they lived in the barracks, all girls. The first was born in 1933 and the last in 1944. There was a RC church inside the Barracks's too where I understand the children were baptised.
Ellen was originally from Limerick but I don't know the story of how she and James met, but I did find an entry for their marriage in the civil registrations index (for the registration district of Limerick) in 1932.

In about 1948 the family moved to England, they lived in the city of Bradford in the County of West Yorkshire. There Ellen died in 1957 at the age of 50 and James Died in 1979 at the age of 76.

Thanks for the link to the Swords Kinsella thread, there is some very interesting information in there too, I shall be investigating the links to the online parish records to see if anything turns up. I am a bit confused by the references to the Margaret that married three times though, if she was our Margaret then wouldn't one of her three husbands have been called Burke? I see all three husbands have been named on the thread by one of her descendants on the thread - but none of them are Burke? How can this Margaret be Margaret Mythen (or even Margaret Swords)?

To date I have been using the "Ancestry" web site, as a member, for researching and building up the Burke family tree and for doing record searches online, but I have not gotten so far with that. Hopefully these parish records will give me some new leads.

It would be great to see any more photos if you have them and thanks again for your help!

Regards and bye for now,

Patrick.
Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: psun on Sunday 26 July 15 06:55 BST (UK)
Ah, hello again Mogue!

I see you have just posted as I was typing my own post!
I'll be sure to check out the Kilmuckridge register for baptisms too.
Thanks again.

Patrick
Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: psun on Sunday 26 July 15 07:02 BST (UK)
Hi
I have been researching my Grandad, John (Jack) Burke b1908 and his parents Patrick b1800 & Margaret (Maggie) Mythen b 1881. I have recently received a copy of the 1911 Census for him and have found out the names of his siblings for the first time.
Patrick b 1902
James b 1903
Charles b 1906
Maggie b 1909
They lived in Mounthoward Lower, Monamolin, Gorey Co. Wexford.
My Grandad died in 1997 and until I started my quest no one in the family knew anything about his Irish family at all, which is funny seeing that he had 6 children. Does anybody out there know of the family or better still are doing research as well and may have any of them in their tree. I would really appreciate any infomation as living in the UK it is very hard to do any kind of research.
Cheers
Westy

Hi Westy,

I am the Grandson of the "James b 1903" in your list(above). Please read my other posts in this thread for some further information regarding James Burke.
Also any questions you think I may be able to help you with then please feel free to ask! or if you have discovered any family history relating to our common ancestors the please let me know as I am also currently researching the Burke's of Mounthoward.

Regards,

Patrick.
Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: moguemosey on Sunday 26 July 15 08:40 BST (UK)
Hi Patrick

Great to hear from you.

The information in the family was that James joined the Army in Cork and then went to England and joined? the Army in England.

James’s brother Joe married and lived in England.

James’s sister Maggie married and lived in England.

Did James have any contact with them?

I will check if I have any address for them.

The last time James was home was about 1958/60.

The Margaret who married 3 times was an Aunt of James (b.1902). She was a daughter of Patrick Burke and Margaret Swords and appears in the chart above, born 14th May 1882. All the Margarets make it a bit confusing.

I will look for my list of all James’s (b1902) brothers and sisters and send it to you.

Bye for now
Mogue
Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: Westy on Sunday 26 July 15 11:50 BST (UK)
Hi Patrick I am the grandson of John Burke your Grandfathers younger brother and its great to hear from you. I see you have been communicating with Michael (Mogue) he has a lot of info on the Burke line and is a great help. I have been over to Ireland a few times and met Michael who took me on an amazing journey showing me all the places that the Burke's lived I even went back with my Mum, my Uncle Kevin, Auntie Shelia & Auntie Christine and met many of the surviving relatives who they had never met. We were lucky enough to meet Marks Burke and his wife Bridie before he unfortunately died. He was one of the youngest boys and they had no idea what had happened to their brother John when he left for England, was it the same for James, did he ever communicate back to Ireland. I am in the process of going through my Burke research as I am going to Dublin in a few weeks and hope to find out more. I have several certificates for our shared Great Grand Parents Patrick & Maggie which I will sort and send to you in a PM. I have a few photo's as well so for now I will add one of Patrick Burke, its not very good but I am lucky to have it
cheers Steve
Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: psun on Sunday 26 July 15 16:19 BST (UK)
Hi again Mogue,

Regarding the information you heard about James joining the army in Cork and then went to England and joined the army is partly true:
As far as I know at some point James left Monamolin (I don't know when this was) but in Limerick during 1932 he got married to Ellen Manly/Manley (of Limerick).
I know he had a long career in the Army, at some point he was a provost sergeant in Collin's Barracks, Cork - his first daughter was born there in 1933. He had 5 daughters whilst in the barrack's and stayed there until he left for England. Apparently about 1948 there were no real work opportunities for women and Ellen, being the mother of 5 girls who were at or nearing working age, decided that she wanted them all to move to be near her sister - Bridget Manly - who had previously moved to England. So she and the girls went and she told James he could follow them if he wanted to, which he eventually did, reluctantly, as he wasn't a great fan of the English (to put it mildly!).

He definitely didn't join the British army though, on arrival in England he found some kind of work "indoors", such as office or factory work I presume, but he wouldn't do that as he said he had to be "working outdoors". So he found a job as a street lamp glass cleaner, cleaning the gas lamps that lit the streets in those days.

I don't think James had contact with his siblings in England, at least I know his daughters never heard or saw any of them. I am unaware of his brother Joe you mentioned (who moved to England). I am currently only aware of James' sibling as of the 1911 census (Patrick, Charlis, Jack and Maggie), although I hear from family that James was said to be one of thirteen children. It would be really helpful if you have details of all James' brothers and sisters.

My mother recalls some Burkes attending James' funeral and one introducing himself as James' brother (perhaps John, Jack or Joe).

It is interesting to hear James was last home about 1958/60, do you know if it was just a short visit or did he return for a while? His wife Ellen had died in 1957 and I think the daughters would have probably moved out into their own places by then. I understand James married again after that to a lady named Doris where they continued to live in the city of Bradford in West Yorkshire until James died in 1979.

Thanks for the clarification regarding the Margarets, it makes more sense to me now I was getting a bit confused for a while there.

I appreciate all the information, it is helping me no end!

Regards,

Patrick.
Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: psun on Sunday 26 July 15 16:47 BST (UK)
Hello Steve (Westy),
It is great to hear from you too!
Yes I have been in touch with Mogue regarding the Burkes and as you can see he has been a great help already in my research of the family tree.
It's amazing that you have been to Ireland and met with Marks Burke, I would never have suspected that their could still have been living siblings of my grandfather.
James' story does sound similar to John's in that James didn't appear to keep up communication with relatives in Wexford when he left (he first left Wexford for Cork, where he lived for many years, before moving on to England - see my previous post on this thread about that). James' wife and children knew virtually nothing about James' family in Wexford and the children never met their paternal grandparents, aunts and uncles, etc.
My mother was surprised and interested to learn, only the other day, that her grandfather was called Patrick and her grandmother was Maggie! Before then she had no idea. (Thanks to Mogue's postings and the gravestone photo).
She was even more surprised and interested to see the photo of her grandfather Patrick Burke that you posted, as she had never seen him before and never expected to.
We certainly appreciate your posting of this information (and photo) and it would be wonderful to see any other photos and documents that you might be able to send if it's not too much trouble.

Good luck with your research in Dublin!

Thanks again,

Patrick. (PSun)
Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: moguemosey on Thursday 30 July 15 00:29 BST (UK)
Hi Patrick

Thank you for all the information, funny how some of the siblings kept in touch with each other in England and others didn’t.

Jack (John), James, Joe and Maggie went to England. Joe and Maggie kept in touch with each other. They and their families holidayed together in Wexford, probably in the 1960’s early 70’s. We have no contact details for them.

I attach headstone of James’s brother Charlie Burke born 1905, buried in Monamolin Graveyard. I will send more soon

I have sent you a Personal Message (PM)

Bye for now
Mogue

Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: moguemosey on Thursday 30 July 15 14:26 BST (UK)
Tom Burke 1914-1979 who died at Lower Ballinastraw, Monamolin, Gorey, Co. Wexford, brother to James Burke.

Regards
Mogue
Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: psun on Friday 31 July 15 01:13 BST (UK)
Thanks again Mogue,

It is great to hear from you and get some more information about my ancestors. I am keeping family here up to date with developments, in particular two of James' daughters are interested to find out more about their father, his family, background etc.

How many of James' siblings do you know of? I have a few, but like I said before, it has been the understanding of his daughters that James was one of twelve (or maybe thirteen) children.

I was wondering who Michael Redmond was, he is named on the gravestone of Thomas Burke (Died 22 Jun 1979)? I came across the birth record of a Margaret Mythen, in Wexford, daughter of James and Jane Mythen (Nee Redmond) and was curious if it could be our Margaret Mythen.

Thanks for taking the trouble to post the photos and other useful information.

Bye for now,

Patrick.
Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: moguemosey on Friday 31 July 15 02:12 BST (UK)
Hi Patrick

As far as I am aware there were 12 children born and possibly twins died at birth, making 14 in total. Hopefully over the weekend I will have all the names and dates sorted out.

Michael Redmond, I believe, is the first husband of the widow that Tom Burke married.

Bye for now
Michael
Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: moguemosey on Friday 31 July 15 02:53 BST (UK)
Hi Patrick

Margaret Mythen/Mithan/Migan (as spelt in different records) was the daughter of Patrick Mythen and Bridget Wafer, who married in 1880

Margaret Migan born June 1881
Her mother Bridget Migan (nee Wafer) died 2 months later in August 1881.

Baby Margaret Mythen was then raised by her mother's mother Catherine Wafer. In 1900 Margaret Mythen married Patrick Burke.

Bye for now
Mogue
Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: moguemosey on Friday 31 July 15 02:58 BST (UK)
Hi Patrick

Were you able to open the PM (Personal Message) I sent you?

Mogue
Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: psun on Friday 31 July 15 03:15 BST (UK)
Hi Mogue,

Thanks for the information, I did read the PM you sent it was very interesting. I will mention it all to my mother later and see if it rings any bells for her, although she has always said that she (and her sisters) didn't ever see grandparents / aunts / uncles in Wexford and their father (James) never told them anything when they asked about the family on his side.

It is curious as to why James was like that and didn't keep in touch with his family in Wexford, my mum and her sisters never understood why that was. I will PM you back later once I have had a chat with my Mum.

Talk to you later,

Patrick.
Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: Westy on Friday 31 July 15 16:01 BST (UK)
That's so strange Patrick as my Grandad Jack (John Burke) was exactly the same, my Mum and her 5 siblings knew absolutely nothing about his parents or siblings until I started researching his ancestry !
I have sent you a PM
cheers, Steve
Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: psun on Friday 31 July 15 16:32 BST (UK)
Hi Steve,

I know, it does seem strange (not knowing why things were like that). I do know, from James' daughters, that James was a very strict and proper man. a Provost sergeant in the Irish army, who whilst at home expected the floors to show his reflection in them. Also, his girls had to be very proper in appearance and behavior. No makeup or modern fashion dressing up. My mum told me that if they where to walk into town (in cork) that James would give them strict instructions that when they got near a protestant church (that was on the high street) they had to cross to the other side of the road and under no circumstances were they to look at it. My mum recalls that he used to clean his gun religiously and when finished would ask her to look down the barrel, she said it would shine like gold.
They are some trivial things, but at the same time may give a little insight into James' personality and character.
I wonder if having left the rural environment in Wexford, at that time, and having moved into city living had anything to do with him being reluctant to acknowledge his family roots when he was in Cork and England. Or maybe there was some kind of falling out with his family in Wexford that prompted him leaving there.

Cheers,
Patrick.
Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: moguemosey on Monday 10 August 15 23:58 BST (UK)
Hi All

I attach a list of the 12 Children of Patrick and Margaret Burke nee Mythen.

Mogue
Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: moguemosey on Tuesday 11 August 15 23:50 BST (UK)
1911 Census details for Patrick & Margaret Burke nee Mythen, in Mounthoward Lower.

Mogue
Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: moguemosey on Saturday 15 August 15 00:11 BST (UK)
Hi All

The following is a thread for Thomas Burke (aka “Tom the Jock”), born 8 March 1872, to Patrick Burke and Margaret Swords (as you can see from the chart above, reply #20).

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=223349.msg1173631#msg1173631

Thomas Burke headstone, here at reply #12 could have wrong age on it as born 1872 and died in 1968 = 96 years old, not 88.

Thomas Burke who married Kate Murphy and Patrick Burke (Headstone here at reply #12 & 20, photo reply 26) who married Margaret Mythen, were brothers.

Mogue
Title: Re: Burke's of Mounthoward
Post by: moguemosey on Sunday 11 September 16 00:36 BST (UK)
Hi all.

Images of Civil records of Births 1864-1915, Marriages 1882-1940, Deaths 1891-1965 are available free of charge from the Irish Government website:

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp

Copies of these entries are available now with Marriages back to 1845 and Deaths back to 1864 to be added at a later date.

Lots of our Burke certs to see and download, mostly in the “Gorey Registration District”.

Here is a link to a post re Patrick Burke of Mounthoward who registered 3 deaths the same day in 1918, including his wife Margaret Burke nee Swords.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=755545.msg6050680#msg6050680

Good hunting
Mogue.