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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Devon => England => Devon Lookup Requests => Topic started by: windy66 on Monday 24 November 08 16:05 GMT (UK)
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Can anybody help me..I'm searching for James Turner 1839 1890 who lived in Northam in Devon,he was married to Mary Rook1841 1867,any help would be great,i have done a lot on Mary but have failed on James at the moment.
many thanks
Windy of Wales..............
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do you know where and when they married.?
do you have a marr cert ?
where was mary born?
where did mary die?
where did james die?
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Thanks Wozzle,
I have some details,James born 17 Aug 1839 Appledore Bideford,Married Mary Rook 5 July 1862,and i've got the1871 census as dist7 pge33 and also 1881.
Mary born sept 1841.
My main goal is to find James mother and father as i have already got their children,
Many thanks for anything you find
windy
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What name and occupation does he give for his father on his marriage cert? - you have an exact date so I assume you have the cert.
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might have found him in 1861
unfortunately he is in lodgings in stoke damerel,devon
says born 1840 in appledore occ. carter.
RG9/1507/16/15.
if you want the full entry then i will post it here
does'nt help much with regard to finding parents though
even if it is the right one.
will see if i can spot him in 1851.
mick.
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Have you seen him in 1861
This looks like the right one - RG9 1507 16 15, a boarder in the h/h of Richard Garrel.
same one as Wozzle has found
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found this on 1851
HO107/1895/385/2.
james turner cross.
can SKS check itout as i have to go offline now.
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Cheers!!!
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Buckland Brewer
John Avery 40 Ag Lab bn B'land Brewer
Mary Ann 43 bn Northamm
MAry Ann dtr 6 bn BB
Sarah Ann dtr 4mths bn BB
Thomas 2 son bn BB
James Turner Cross 11 soninlaw bn Northam
but no way of knowing if this is the right JAmes Turner or not. There are lots around in Devon born 1839/40ish
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Sound like the right one,his son was George Cross Turner born 22 jan 1865 bideford.
My problem is why son in law when he was only 11.
Thanks again
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windy as lizdb says
do you have the marr cert and if so what is the fahers name and occ also what is james occ.
as for the term son in law i think i am right (but not positive)that it means stepson.
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Sounds right then.
son in law usually means step son
So probably Mary's from a previous marriage.
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marr index
name; john avery
y.o.r. 1844
qtr. jan/feb/maar
dist. bideford
vol. 10
page; 75
on the same page amongst others
mary ann cross
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No certs as yet just getting to grips with James, and roots chat really,that will be my next set of certs from gro(pay day friday)
I know now to give you all the details i have
windy
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I cant seem to get my head around the marriage in 1844,i have james and mary in 1862,and mary was born in 1841.
sorry if i'm not making sense
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if you are talking about the marriage between john avery and mary cross
in 1844
mary cross (if we are right) was the mother of james turner.
i think you may be getting mixed up with the mother and mary born 1841 who was james's wife.
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,i have james and mary in 1862,and mary was born in 1841.
What do have for 1862?
The wife of James in the 1851 census, details above, was age 43 in 1851.
It appears from the info that has been found that she was probably the mother of James Turner Cross (Iwonder if his dad was a Turner and that is why when older he used that surname? Without the marriage cert we do not know if she was single or a widow). She then married John Avery in 1844 and they had Mary, Sarah and Thomas of their own, appearing together as a family in 1851.
ooh just seen , Wozzle has sorted this too - yes in your first post you said James's wife (nee Rook) was born 1841.
Mary (prev Cross), born about 1807, who married 1844 is (possibly) JAmes's mother.
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will talk tomorrow .Had my grans funeral today. Thanks for info today.Tie up tomorrow.
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Thanks all,
I have got my head around all this now,2 x Mary's etc,i will send away for James birth cert and see if there is a father named,will keep you posted.
Many thanks again.
p.s i have more family in beer and seaton(miller and bartlett)but i better give you a rest for a while.......
Windy
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The 1841 census for Appledore, Northam shows:
Market Street
Henry ARNOLD 22 Mason born Devon
Fanny ARNOLD 32 born Devon
Mary CROSS 30 born Devon
James L (?) CROSS 1 born Devon
Susan OATWAY 20 born Devon
A George & Ann CROSS both aged 65 are also shown at One End Street.
Northam Baptisms:
18 Jan 1840 James Turner CROSS son of Mary CROSS, Spinster of Appledore
5 Oct 1806 Mary Ann CROSS dau of George & Sarah CROSS
So sorry, but your James appears to be illegitimate - I would guess that his father's last name was TURNER.
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DOB.
Thanks for that great news on finding james for me,and his mother,and her parents,i wish i could see the wood from the trees like you all do.
Anyway many thanks
Windyxx
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Glad it helped. Just a suggestion for future Devon based queries - always check GENUKI's pages for the parish of interest - there you would have found the census, baptism, marriage & burial records - all for free. Go to:
http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Northam/index.html
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Thanks for the Genuki's address,I do'nt think i have that detail info for my Welsh ancestors on the glamorgan genuki so i did'nt think to look on the devon site,but i think you can buy them on disc not free.
At the moment i'm learning where i can find out all the things you already know, so thanks for helping me.
best wishes
Windy