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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: Annied22 on Thursday 27 November 08 17:01 GMT (UK)
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I know there are currently at least three of us posting here who are researching families from Seaton Sluice. Two of us have already established a connection, albeit quite a distant one (one of my great great uncles marrying a great great aunt I think).
I did the bulk of my work on the family tree 25 years ago, it's quite large and sprawling and includes a number of the old Seaton Sluice names. Having had it tucked behind a wardrobe for many years, I've now pulled it out and started to look at it again with a view to tying up the loose ends. That's how I came across this forum.
I'm wondering if there's anyone else lurking/posting here who has an interest in Seaton Sluice. If there are a few of us, it would be good to be aware of each other and perhaps combine knowledge.
Ann
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Hi. My family are from Seaton Sluice, in fact my father was born there and I live just along the road. I am researching Burnett's from Seaton Sluice. William Burnett born 1776 in Nafferton near Ovingham is my 4xgreat-grandfather and I assume he came to Seaton Sluice to work in the bottle works.
I too, started my family tree years ago, before computers and last year decided to dig out all my old files to get it into some order.
Good luck!
Angela
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I have an interest in Forster & Lynn surnames from Seaton Sluice.
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Hi Angela,
I'm just down the road too, in Whitley Bay. Burnett isn't a name that features in my family history, but I think all the "old" families end up being tied in together at some point.
I've got a photocopy of a Petition to the Marquis of Waterford asking for permission to convert part of the old brewery into a church. It's dated 8th November 1855 and one of the signatures is "William Burnet",possibly your great great grandfather?
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I have an interest in Forster & Lynn surnames from Seaton Sluice.
Hi,
My great great grandmother was Elizabeth Forster, born in Seaton Sluice in 1827, died 28.02.1896. She married John Dickinson on 26.08.1848. Does she fit into your family history?
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Hello Seaton Sluice Folk,
I don't seem to have any name matches, but I do have ancestors from Seaton Sluice, and as you say it is not a very large place! Although I believe it at one time rivaled North Shields as the biggest Northumberland port/harbour!
My family were the Elstob & Dodman lot!
John Elstob (Master Mariner) married Sarah Dodman and their children were:-
Sarah Elstob
Born: 16th January 1800
Baptised 15th February 1800
Died: 8th January 1802
Buried: 10th January 1802
Mary Ann Elstob
Born: 10th December 1801
Baptised 9th January, 1802
Sarah Elstob
Born: 21st November 1804
Baptised: 27th April 1805
Married: 10th December 1831 - John Hunter (Mariner)
Married: 22nd October 1848 - Matthew Turnbull (Blacksmith)
John Elstob
Born: 16th October 1808
Baptised 12th November 1808
Margaret Elstob
Born: 21st April 1811
Baptised 20th May 1811
It is from the Parish Burial Records that I know the family lived in Seaton Sluice because when the first daughter named Sarah died in 1802 it gives the family's abode as Seaton Sluice otherwise all the records just state Earsdon by North Shields.
You never know this just might fit into someone's tree.
Happy Searching,
Patsy
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Hi Angela,
I'm just down the road too, in Whitley Bay. Burnett isn't a name that features in my family history, but I think all the "old" families end up being tied in together at some point.
I've got a photocopy of a Petition to the Marquis of Waterford asking for permission to convert part of the old brewery into a church. It's dated 8th November 1855 and one of the signatures is "William Burnet",possibly your great great grandfather?
Hi - not my William I'm afraid - he died in 1852. Interesting though. My grandfather Joseph Burnett was known to often say that he was related to everyone in Seaton Sluice.
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There exists a map of Seaton Sluice ( previously called Hartley Harbour) circa 1820s , showing all occupants names and occupations annotated against their homes.( Mostly glassworkers)
One copy of this map is in Blyth Library.
Patsy, Seaton Sluice harbour was probably one the smallest along the Northumberland coast... a small fraction of the size of North Shields, Blyth, Berwick... ( see the Seaton Sluice section within the site communities.northumberland.gov.uk )
Michael Dixon
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I've got a photocopy of that map Michael, but unfortunately it doesn't include Rocky Island, so there are some significant gaps in the list of inhabitants.
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Dear Michael,
Now I am confused!!!! Does not take much!!!!!!!!!
From the website http://www.seaton-sluice.co.uk/content/into.html (or a Google search will find it) it says
"Just over 200 years ago Seaton Sluice became the centre of a flourishing coal and glass trade, exporting to western Europe, and for its size was the centre of greater commercial activity than any other town on the North East coast with ships of up to 300 ton burden visiting the tiny harbour."
So the harbour may be tiny but the trade was considerable.
"...trade at Seaton Sluice once rivalled that of North Shields and Blyth and its success was entirely due to the entrepreneurial and engineering skills of the Delaval family."
This does mean that there were quite a lot of families involved one way or another - seamen, miners, ropemakers, sailmakers etc. etc.
Thank you for the information about the map - I would really love to visit Blyth Library to see it, but Essex is a few hours away so it will have to wait until my next visit "home".
Best Wishes,
Patsy
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Hi Patsy,
Michael will probably be able to tell you more, but although Seaton Sluice was very busy in the past, it never seems to have been that big in terms of numbers of families living there. When you read about all the industries, some of which were going on concurrently, you get the impression that there must have been thousands of folk, but as far as I can make out it was more like hundreds.
I'm in the throes of having my house re-wired and am currently trapped in my bedroom with my laptop attempting to keep out of the way of the electricians! When things get back to normal, I have a photocopy of an 1812 map which I can probably scan in 4 parts, join together and email you. I can't see any of the family names you've mentioned on it, but like I said, it doesn't include Rocky Island, Sandy Island or Seaton Lodge, all of which were home to a number of families, so it doesn't necessarily mean they weren't around.
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Dear Annie,
Thank you, and yes please. Once you are clear of the electricians a copy of the Seaton Sluice map would be lovely. If you send me a PM we can sort something out.
Best Wishes,
Patsy
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I have an interest in Forster & Lynn surnames from Seaton Sluice.
Hi,
My great great grandmother was Elizabeth Forster, born in Seaton Sluice in 1827, died 28.02.1896. She married John Dickinson on 26.08.1848. Does she fit into your family history?
Hi, All i have so far is my 4 x Gt Grandmother Mary Forster who i estimate was born circa 1788 in Seaton Sluice (1851 census). Her husband was John Lynn who i think was from Widdrington.
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Patsy,
Yes, small but busy harbour.
The Delaval family ( "lords of the manor") owned at least one coal mine, the highly-regarded glassworks at Seaton Sluice and the harbour.
The narrowness and the angle of the neck of the harbour produced dangerous sailing conditions. Some master mariners refused to use the harbour. Lord Delaval commissioned the cutting of a second harbour entrance to improve conditions. This new "sluice" also gave the harbour/community it's new name, Seaton Sluice !
In the "Photographs" and "Ordnance Maps" sections of the "SEATON SLUICE" community of the Northumberland Communities web site.....
At the third foto you can see the glassworks. At 14 and 15 and 9 you can see the cut "sluice" (has a little footbridge over it) Middle building of three on high at right hand side was/is Kings Arms.
Foto 9 is taken from the natural harbour entrance. 14 and 15 are looking seaward. There is a sharp left turn to the natural entrance.
Whenever I cross over the Seaton Burn, it looks as though there is hardly any water there, and you could easily cross over in a pair of wellies. However I know that there has been several tragedies there even in fairly recent times.
The 1860 25" version of map shows the area nicely, including Annie's areas of Sandy Island, Rocky Island and Seaton Lodge-to the left.
What I don't know is whether the new sluice was used simply to release water pressure on the harbour or whether ships used it. It was very narrow.
Michael Dixon.
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There's a copy of an 1812 map in the Watch House on Rocky Island. I took my digital camera there last year and tried to photograph it. I've just dug out the photos I took and pieced together close-up shots of all the names. I've also uploaded a shot of the entire map, which is just about clear enough to make out. (It may also be worth mentioning here that John Street later become Long Street and Hussey Street became Short Street. The latter names are how they appear on census returns.)
Here's the map (http://www.catsup.co.uk/pictures/tree/map.jpg)
Here are the names (http://www.catsup.co.uk/pictures/tree/names.jpg)
They're big pictures, so if they only appear as small ones on your screens, hover over the bottom right hand corner of each pic until a symbol appears. Click on the symbol and they'll blow up to their true size so you can read them.
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What I don't know is whether the new sluice was used simply to release water pressure on the harbour or whether ships used it. It was very narrow.
Michael Dixon.
I can answer that!!! According to a booklet by David Anderson, the cut was indeed used. He writes;
"Entrance or exit into this new cut was always problematic, as can be seen on any winters's day when the sea is running high, and it is not too difficult to imagine attempting entry in a storm and many bow spits were damaged. The Delaval papers are littered with accounts for repairs to numerous ships damaged entering the cut and the piers were also damaged frequently in storms and they too had to be repaired."
He also comments on the narrowness you mentioned as follows:
"In addition to these access and egress problems, the designed width of the cut was totally inadequate for its purpose because two ships could not pass one another. If a collier brig was fully loaded in the cut and the tide or wind was unfavourable to leave the harbour it became "stuck" and blocked the cut to other shipping."
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Hello,
I have LYNN in my Family tree. 1849
Marriage record of Thomas Jameson - Engineman, of Clarence Villa, Parish of Bishop Middleham, Son of Mark Jameson Gamekeeper. Married Barbara LYNN of Coxhoe, Durham, daughter of Robert LYNN Butcher,
i have birth records to
1850 Hannah Jameson ( My GGGrandmother) 1850 abt Born Coxhoe, Stockton, Durham
1849 Harriet Jameson B Coxhoe - 1853 Margret Jameson B Coxhoe, Durham -1854 Elizabeth Jameson B Coxhoe .
Hope this helps someone
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I have Wilsons in my family tree purporting to come from the Hartley and Seaton sluice/ Earsdon area.
Ros
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I have an interest in Forster & Lynn surnames from Seaton Sluice.
My Great Great Grandmother was Elizabeth Burt (maiden name Forster) b1840 in Seaton Sluice
Her parents were James Forster b abt 1807, Margeret (unknown maiden name at this point) b abt 1800 both in Seaton Sluice
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I also have an interest in Seaton Sluice. My family were the Doughertys (spelling varies considerably , Dockerty, Docherty Doherty, etc.) Mark Patterson Dougherty was baptised 21 Jan 1832 at Earsdon. He was a glassman aged 11 on 1851 census, lived in Seaton Sluice all his life working at the Glass Works but by 1881 was a coal miner. His parents were Charles D. and Ann Patterson. By 1841 Ann was a widow. Mark seems to be the youngest child. I have not managed to find the burial place of Charles D. Not in Earsdon burials. Which other churches should I consider?
I visited Seaton Sluice over Heritage Weekend recently and went to the Bottleworks Exhibition and the Watch House - very interesting.
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My Great Great Grandmother was Elizabeth Burt (maiden name Forster) b1840 in Seaton Sluice
Her parents were James Forster b abt 1807, Margeret (unknown maiden name at this point) b abt 1800 both in Seaton Sluice
My g g grandmother was Elizabeth Dickinson nee Forster, born 1827. Her sister Jane born in Jan 1829 married Charles Crisp. Could your g g grandmother be connected to them?
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hello I am rearching my family tree
came across a Barabra Lynn, Coxhoe, durham, Her Father was Robert Lynn Butcher
Married Thomas Jameson 1853, Easington, Durham, father Mark Jameson Gamekeeper
Not sure if this helps but please let me no
Regards
Sarah Newell
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Hi. My family are from Seaton Sluice, in fact my father was born there and I live just along the road. I am researching Burnett's from Seaton Sluice. William Burnett born 1776 in Nafferton near Ovingham is my 4xgreat-grandfather and I assume he came to Seaton Sluice to work in the bottle works.
I too, started my family tree years ago, before computers and last year decided to dig out all my old files to get it into some order.
Good luck!
Angela
I am starting to research the Burnett family tree and have discovered William Burnett (1776-1852) is my 5 x great-grandfather. Just thought I would make contact as I discovered this website and will post more if people wish.
Ian.
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Hi. My family are from Seaton Sluice, in fact my father was born there and I live just along the road. I am researching Burnett's from Seaton Sluice. William Burnett born 1776 in Nafferton near Ovingham is my 4xgreat-grandfather and I assume he came to Seaton Sluice to work in the bottle works.
I too, started my family tree years ago, before computers and last year decided to dig out all my old files to get it into some order.
Good luck!
Angela
I am starting to research the Burnett family tree and have discovered William Burnett (1776-1852) is my 5 x great-grandfather. Just thought I would make contact as I discovered this website and will post more if people wish.
Ian.
Hi Ian! Which of William's children are you descended from? I am descended from his daughter Jane (1807-1887), her son Joseph (1834-1895), his son also Joseph (1862-1925), his son my grandfather, another Joseph (1901-1954). You can contact me by email at scotta103@hotmail.com if you like. There were a lot of quite well off Burnetts in Ovingham where William was from and I am trying to find the link.
Regards, Angela
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Hi, Angel103:
I have nothing to add on this as I don't come from Seaton Sluice; however, I did want to give a piece of advice - as you are fairly new to this site. To send a PM (personal message), just double click on the name of the person you want to contact and send the message through there. It is not advisable to send your e-mail through the open forum!
Best regards
lydiaann
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Seems I am a bit behind on this thread - but am new to geneology. However thanks for the map. my 4x great grandfather was John Catcheside (No. 68) and would appreciate any info from anyone in regards Catchesides. John's daughter (Mary) married Mark Taylor (my 3x great grandfather) and would appreciate if anyone has anything on Taylor's in Seaton Sluice also.......(nice common name for you).
Thanks
Marcus
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I have an interest in Forster & Lynn surnames from Seaton Sluice.
My grandmother was Beatrice Annie Forster, her parents were Matthew and Eleanor Forster (that was her maiden name) - they had 5 children altogether and adopted one. Do these names fit with your research? If there are links please let me know.
Thanks, J Clough
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I am researching my Great Grandmother Catherine Evans family - Mary Robson Hornsby and James Evans.
I'm particularly interested in Mary's family - the Hornsby's.
Her mother was Mary Ann Brotherick and her father was Robert Hornsby both died in 1921. Their families were from around the Seaton Sluice area, Robert's family worked at the Hartley Bottle Factory. I think his parents lived at Seaton Lodge - his father was also a mariner.
This is all the information I have on them - it would be great to speak to anyone with links to this family so I can build up a bigger picture of my great grandmother's life.
Thanks, Jemilla Clough
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Hi Jemilla,
I'm three quarters of the way through a kitchen refit (which has not been without its traumas) at the moment, so I haven't got time to give you a comprehensive reply, although I will try to write more later on. For the moment, I wanted to let you know that about 4 years ago (can't believe it was THAT long ago!), another member was posting about the Brothericks/Brodericks. I live locally to Seaton Sluice and photographed one or two documents from the small library there relating to them which I sent to her. (She lives abroad.) They'll still be sitting on my hard drive. She was also in touch with a local historian in Seaton Sluice who, I think was able to give her extra information. I can't remember her username unfortunately, but there are a couple of mentions of Brotherick/Broderick on this thread.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,333351.msg2131111.html#msg2131111
I can certainly email her and ask her to come and look at your posts if she isn't visiting the forum regularly these days.
An Elizabeth Forster born in 1827 married my great great grandfather John Dickinson in 1848. Any connection?
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Anyone interested - if you visit the Port of Blyth website, you will see a map of Blyth Harbour, dated 1682, Seaton Sluice and Seaton Delaval, are spelled " Seatoun". So it looks like Seaton "Sluice" was already being used before the cutting of the 1800s.
Whilst on this subject of Seaton Sluice, I have an interest in a Bill Dent, (probably full name William) who originated from the Sluice. He would have been born about 1900, give or take a few years. He was in his 60s in the 1960s. He was a publican in Yorkshire, and the last pub he ran was in Pontefract. If earlier enquiries by me were correct, he died in Feb. 1993 in Pontefract.
If anyone has any knowledge of Bill, or family, I would be grateful for any information.
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I can share an OUT OF COPYRIGHT image with you on this subject.
It is supposedly the first ever recorded navigation chart of this area.
Philip
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I Have Lynn and Jamieson / Jameson ancestors in and around south Shields, Coxhoe, kelloe Browburn they seem to be Publicans pubs so far, with family connections Tyneside Inn, Comerical Hotel, the Rising Sun and Bluebell Inn
Any help would be fantastic
Sarah
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I'd like to find out more about Charlie Dockwrey who made Charlie's Garden at Seaton Sluice. My ancestor Charlies Dougherty born about 1790 at Seaton Sluice also seemed to be known as Dockwrey at different times. A Charles Dockray who may have been him or even his father died in June 1840 and was buried at Earsdon. Yet in the death registration indexes he is recorded as Dougherty! There does not appear to be anyone else of either name of the right age in Seaton Sluice at that time.
There is much info on internet re Charlie's Garden but most is repeated from other sources and no one seems able to clarify who this man actually was, by date of birth, parentage, family etc. I would love to find out more! Can anyone help please?
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Hi,
My husbands father, grandparents ect were all born in Seaton Sluice. Names Thew, Dixon, Taylor's from Hartley. We are from Australia, anything on these guys or photos would be great.
Regards
Bev :D
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I have an interest in Forster & Lynn surnames from Seaton Sluice.
I see you are interested in Wilkinson, my grandparents are Wilkinson's from Newsham and Hartley
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I have an interest in Forster & Lynn surnames from Seaton Sluice.
Hi it seems Forster family was at goldings hole, it is situated down the Dean at seaton sluice at the waterfall where the Mill race began, I have the census. 👍