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Hi,
can someone find this family for me?
Edward HOOTON-AGE C 58-born Crowland
Mary(Wishlade)-wife?-age 41-born Eastborne,Sussex
Frances Wishlade-age c 19-born Spalding?
John Wishlade-age c 15-born Spalding?
Many thanks,
Trisha ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Hello Trisha ;)
This looks like Mary :
1851
HO107. P. 2095 Fol. 792 Pg. 12
Deeping Fen, Warp of Elloe
Mary Wishlade Serv. Un 40 B. Eastbourne, Sussex
House servant in household of Joseph Waltham, farmer.
She's transcribed as Wishard
Still looking for the others :-\
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Here's Frances :-\
1851
HO107. P. 2096 Fol. 641 Pg. 21
District Union Workhouse, Spalding
Frances Wishley Pauper Un 18 Servant B. Spalding
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You're working well Mum ;)
Link to an earlier thread http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,341094.0.html
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Hi Mum,
thanks for finding her and Frances.I wonder where John and Edward Hooton are?It would be lovely if you could find them for me.By the way is Mary living in the same place as in 1841?I don't know the name of the head of the household there.
I'm going to put a seperate post out for the 1861 census so don't waste any time looking for them on that unless you want to.
Many thanks again,it's much appreciated,
Trisha ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Well - I can't spot John, at the moment.
The only Edward Hooton who resembles the profile is aged 60 in 1851 and is the father in law in the household of Joseph and Elizabeth Wennor. Do you want that household ?
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- in 1841 Mary is a servant, in Deeping, but not with the Walthams. She is first listed in the household.
having said that, Joseph Waltham is the previous household - so perhaps the answer should be yes :-\
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Hi,
thanks for looking them up.
Could I have both households with all the info please.The Edward Hooton(if it's him)sounds very interesting.If he has a daughter,that means he has a daughter I didn't know about.Perhaps a relationship out of wedlock or a 1st marriage I didn't know about.All very interesting.
Many thanks again.
Trisha ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Marriages Jun 1845
HOOTON John Wishlade Bourn 14 403 to (one of)
Lattimore Ann Bourn 14 403
Lumby Elizabeth Bourn 14 403
Swan Susanna Tomblin Bourn 14 403
Wenham Jane Bourn 14 403
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Hi Geoff,
well found,
now I need to find him on 1851 with one of these lovely ladies and the mystery is solved.
Many thanks.
Trisha ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Marriages Mar 1847
HOOTON Elizabeth Wishlaide Cambridge 14 21
WENSOR Joseph Cambridge 14 21
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Hi Geoff,
on second thoughts that can't be him he'ld be 9.However with a name like that it must be a very near relation that I don't know about so I'm still interested Geoff.
Trisha ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Hi Geoff,
you're finding a new side to the family I didn't know about.This is all getting extremely interesting.
Trisha ;D ;D ;D
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1841
Halfway House Farm, Deeping Fen
Edward HOOTON 45 Beer Shop Keeper
Mary 45 (NOT Lincs
John 15
Caroline 10
Elizer 8
Selina 7
James 5
The IGI also has an Edward HOOTON bap 1818 at Deeping St J of same parents.
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Sorry - I got a bit side-tracked - but I've come up with the same as Geoff ;D ;D
This is the 1851 for Edward :o 8)
HO107 P. 2097 Fol. 412 Pg. 18
Broadgate, Gedney
Joseph Wenmar (#) Head M 34 farmer B. Northampton, Warrington
Elizabeth ~ Wife M 26 B. Lincs. Spalding
Joseph ~ Son 2 B. Lincs . Gedney
Eliada W ~ Son 11 mth. B. ~ ~
Elizabeth Smith Serv. 13 B. Lincs. Lutton
Edward Hooton Father in Law M. 61 B. Lincs. Deeping
# Wenmar - surname - I couldn't make this out properly and the youngest son's name was unusual, so I went to look for their registrations, and found :
Eliada William Wensor Q2. 1850 Holbeach
Joseph Edward Hector Wensor Q2. 1848 Holbeach
and then - of course - to the marriage Geoff found in Cambridge ;D
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PS: Having now read back - I am totally confused ::)
If they didn't marry til 1862 . . . . . why were they living separately in 1851 yet Edward says married and Mary is Wishlade and single ???
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=345618.new#new
This is John and his wife - other thread ;D
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1871
Edward HOOTON 82 (indexed HORTON) is with daughter Caroline (wife of William RUDKIN).
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Hi Geoff,
great thats found Edward by 1871.Where are they living and are Caroline and he the only members of the household?
Trisha ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Dear Trish
Hope this is of some help!
1851 England Census
(Transcribed on Ancestry as Edward Harton but looks like “Hooton” to me!)
Halfway House, Deeping Fen, Deeping St Nicholas
Edward Hooton, Head, Mar., age 58, Farm 8 acres & Publican, born, Crowland, Lincoln
Mary Do, Wife, Wife, Mar., age probably 57 but could be 54, born Eastbourne, Sussex
James Gadsby, Lodger, Unm., age 60, Ag. Lab., born Spalding, Lincoln
James Cook, Lodger, Unm., age 30, Ag. Lab., born Corby, Lincoln
Apologies if you already have the info.
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Welcome ivanidea :) a good find!
So we have
2 Edward HOOTONs
2 Marys from Eastbourne
HOOTONs called WISHLADE
WISHLADEs called COOK WOOD
HOOTON marrying WISHLADE or COOK WOOD
(I used to think Eilleen's lookups were tricky)
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Think I'll go and lie down in a darkened room :-\ :-\ ::)
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I am stuck for words :o :o :o
Geoff were does Cook come into this - don't tell me I have missed something of great importance here ;)
I too am going to a darkened room Mum -
I keep thinking of questions and thoughts and hysteria is setting in -
did they lead double lives ? ::)
are there really two sets of them? :o
why was poor Frances in the workhouse? (that really bothers me) :'(
where is Mary Wishlade's son in 1841? :-\
will I ever sleep tonight- the darkened room beckons!
Goodnight everyone- come on Trisha find something out please!
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Geoff were does Cook come into this - don't tell me I have missed something of great importance here ;)
Perhaps I meant WOOD ::) I guess it was seeing that newly-found COOK lodger in 1851.
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I thought that but then wondered if that was Mary's son too - can't remember if he is James or John but think it's John!
Isn't it a strange case though - see what transpires today!
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Can you find this one in 1861?
Deaths Mar 1869
HOOTON Mary (77) Bourn 7a 214
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several Mary Hootons but none born 1792 +/- 5 yrs
3 variants within that year range but none close/suitable!
A very quick summary (yet another!)
1841 Mary Hooton not born in county - Mary Wishlade not born in county is with or next to Walthams
1851 both born Eastbourne -Edward with Mary and also with family
children of Edward Hooton and Mary Wishlade - married with Wishlade name
1862 marriage- Edward Hooton and Mary Wishlade (Free BMD) but on Family Search -extracted is Mary Wishlade or Woods
St Pancras figures with Mary Wishlade and her daughter's marriages so perhaps that is the clue together with Edward and Mary's marriage certificate which Trisha says she has access to.
They both married at Old Church St Pancras
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1841 Mary Wishlade not born in county is with or next to Walthams - and she stayed with WALTHAMs till at least 1871
St Pancras figures with Mary Wishlade and her daughter's marriages - with her daughters perhaps, but not with her - she stayed in Pinchbeck
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yes but a Mary Wishlade (perhaps not the Mary) married Edward Hooton in Old Church St - may be also known as Wood. I have tried to look for any Mary Wood(s) who might have some relevance but no!
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As a result of your pm to us, Trisha, Geoff and I have been having a think.
Geoff mused whether the two Marys could be mother and daughter! I had not thought of that at all. Their ages suggest that they could be with Mary (1) being a very young mother 16-19 yrs when she had Mary (2).
If this hypothesis were true, they would both be Wishlade and perhaps then there was a Mr Wood before Mr Hooton and she may not have married either.
There is a dilemma in the fact that Mary (2) retains her name and single status until 1901 and Edward is a widower in 1871- he dies in 1877, I think.
Can anyone find Edward in 1861? There is a Mary Hooton death in 1869, aged 77 yrs but surely even if he wasn't married to her, he would not have married her daughter when she was still alive ???
The son Edward, 1818 never seems to be around.
As Edward on his marriage to Mary is a farmer and as Edward in 1871 is a retired farmer, I wonder if there are any wills around?
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Looking at things from another angle, did Edward HOOTON and Mary (married 1862) have any known children?
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Hi,
the known children I always thought they had wereJohn b c 1826 who married Jane Wenham,Elizabeth b c 1825 who married Joseph Wenmar,Caroline bc 1831 b William Rudkin,Eliza bc 1832,Selina bc 1833,James bc 1836.However All those dates and marriages have come from these searches ,my relative always thought they had these children later,we now know better,so perhaps they didn't have any children of their own at all.The Mary who was married to Edward Hooton in the 1841 is very important.We must find out if she married Edward and her maiden name.It would answer at lot of questions ie if she is the same woman as Mary Wishlade.
As for Mary 1 being Mary 2's mother ,it's a very interesting hypothesis and worth going into.It would explains why there's 2 Mary's from Eastbourne.
Heywood,I didn't quite understand what you meant by "they would both be Wishlade then there was a Mr Wood Before Mr Hooton ".Can you explain?I think it must be my cold it's making my head a bit thicker than usual-lol
Having written this all out long hand last night(my printer doesn't work)I agree that Edward Hooton and the Mary's needs to be found in 1861(with their ages given and who lives with them).
Trisha ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Trisha ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Here are their burials at Deeping St James
7 March 1869 Mary HOOTON (76)
15 Feb 1877 Edward HOOTON (89)
We are still missing them in the 1861 census.
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Hi everyone,
could someone give me the ages of Mary Wishlade,servant(Deeping Fen) in the 1861,71, 81, 91 and if she's alive 01 census.I think she was given to me before but not the ages.
The same goes for the other Mary Wishlade/Hooton in the same censuses(if we've found her/I'm trying to do a chart to prove Geoff's hypothesis of mother and daughter relationship.It might seem long winded but it makes me feel a whole lot better seeing a good old fashioned chart at the moment.Even if it doesn't prove that I have it on paper that there's 2 of them existing at the same time.Bear with me on this,It makes me feel better,I'm poorly :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Trisha ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
By the way,I really appreaciate you all helping me on this. :-* :-* :-*
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Deaths Jun 1902
WISHLADE Mary 92 Spalding 7a 223
1901 aged 91
1891 aged 81
1881 aged 70
1871 aged 60
1861 age 50
1851 aged 40
1841 aged "30"
For the elder one, I think we have
1841 aged "45"
1851 aged 57
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Thanks Geoff,
one question,
are we sure that the 1901 Mary Wishlade was the servant one? I say this because of the granddaughter she's living with.The girl is Mary Elizabeth Wishlade daughter of John Wishlade and Selina Wollerton.In otherwords stepgrandaughter to Edward Hooton from the marriage of Mary Wishlade and EdwardHooton in 1862.I didn't think that Mary Wishlade was the servant.
I don't think the ages match.
We have a servant Mary Wishlade,also born in Eastbourne,Sussex who is on the farm of John Waltham from 1841/1871 ,1881 is retired,what is she shown as in 1891 and where is she?(I know she lives alone).She is aged:-
"30"-1841
40-1851
50-1861
60-1871
70-1881
81-1891
Then we have the Mary who is living with Edward Hooton as Mrs Hooton also from Eastbourne.Ages
"45"-1841
57-1851
Then the extranious Mary Wishlade who is the Mother of Frances,John and Bales Wishlade aged 91 in 1901(which makes her b 1810)which means she is the one who married Edward Hooton on the marriage certificate of 1862 in St Pancras and died in 1902.But which one is she?
Up to 1860 she looks the right one but after that the ages are wrong because she's married to Edward Hooton and the mother and daughter idea goes out the window.Suppose Edward married or lived with her mother,he couldn't have married the 1st Mary's daughter-could he?I have sumised that right haven't I?Anyway,It can't be right because a Mary Wishlade continues to work for Mr Waltham at Deeping Fen in 1871.
Edward Hooton needs to be found with his wife Mary on the 1871 census,unless that was him with William and Caroline Rudkin.If it was I don't remember it being said if he was Married or a widow.If he as married where was Mary in 1871 if she wasn't with him?
I have absolutely no idea who the burial for Mary Hooton in 1869 was for unless he was a bigamist and it's the 1st older Mary Hooton.
Somebody needs to help us with the Eastbourne marriage and baptism registers for 1788-c1825.
The earlier era to 1810 covers the miss Wishlades birth and will discover who Mr Richard Wood might be.Later on covers a possible marriage of Mr Hooton to a Wishlade(as none,we know took place in Lincs).I don't however think they married.
HELP.
Trisha ;D
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Heywood,I didn't quite understand what you meant by "they would both be Wishlade then there was a Mr Wood Before Mr Hooton ".Can you explain?
I just meant that Mary Wishlade gave birth to Mary Wishlade in Eastbourne then at some point Mr Wood arrives to be the partner of the older one and then he is followed by Edward Hooton (sall supposition) - hence the name Wood at times.
Another thing Trisha- there seem to be 2 Johns - so the one who Edward is with is his son (older than the other one). Mary Elizabeth is (I think) the daughter of John who is the son of the 2nd Mary.
Mary (2)'s age is consistent all the way through.
Mary (2) we are thinking but may be totally wrong is the mother of Frances , John and Bales and Frances and husband were witnesses at the marriage of Mary and Edward.
I wonder if it would be good to get the death certificates Geoff has quoted to see if there is a next of kin.
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Hello all - I would just like to say that I am still following this avidly - but don't feel I can add anyting to help - Geoff and Heywood are doing great :D
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I'm cooking chips, so can't say much.
As I said, Mary HOOTON was buried in 1869, so it would be somewhat macabre to find her with Edward in 1871.
The woman that Edward married in 1862 was the one he had been "married" to for 40 odd years.
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Yes I would like to think that- and if you are right Geoff, then Frances Buckingham the witness may be Mary Hooton's grandaughter (daughter of Mary (2) ) Otherwise I am stuck again with working it out.
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then Frances Buckingham the witness may be Mary Hooton's grandaughter (daughter of Mary (2) )
Agreed :)
As regards relationships on censuses, I found one (relating to my tree) yesterday - a mother in law described as Cousin.
Mary WISHLADE (1810) remained unmarried to the end of her days.
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Thanks Geoff,
one question,
are we sure that the 1901 Mary Wishlade was the servant one? I say this because of the granddaughter she's living with.The girl is Mary Elizabeth Wishlade daughter of John Wishlade and Selina Wollerton. In other words stepgrandaughter to Edward Hooton from the marriage of Mary Wishlade and Edward Hooton in 1862.
No. Mary E WISHLADE 26 with who she was with in 1901 was daughter of John WISHLADE who was baptised as son of Mary (1810) in 1836. This family were in Leake in 1881, indexed as WHITEHEAD I believe. So Mary E was granddaughter of Mary as far as I am concerned.
Mary, (the elder one from Eastbourne) who married Edward in 1862 died in 1869 ... their son John was born c1827 and was a HOOTON (sometimes) and should not be confused with the son of Mary(2) bap 1836.
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you're very convincing!
So if this is the case- it seems so simple after all that work- well done Geoff!
Mary Wood becomes Wishlade then lives with later marries Edward Hooton
her children
1) Mary Wishlade
2) John Hooton
3) Caroline Hooton
4) Eliza Hooton
5) Selina Hooton
6) James Hooton
Mary Wishlade (daughter) - her children
1)Frances
2)John
3)Bales
Seems sad that daughter Mary's child Frances was in workhouse for a long time and that we can't find her son John in 1851 census.
othwerwise - hopefully this is it!!
;D 8) :-*
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I think Mary (1) was WISHLADE, illegitimate of father WOOD. If she had been WOOD, I doubt several of their kids would have middle name had WISHLADE.
You forgot the elusive Edward HOOTON 1818.
Not only are we missing John (1836) in 1851, I don't think we have him in 1841 do we?
And Edward HOOTON and his wife (to be) are missing in 1861.
I think we've been more thorough than normal in this one as our starting point was in the 1830s, not realising the marriage we were searching for was in 1862.
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I think Mary (1) was WISHLADE, illegitimate of father WOOD. If she had been WOOD, I doubt several of their kids would have middle name had WISHLADE. Sorry- I was thinking she had the relationship with Mr Wood and perhaps called herself that -I was calling Mary (2) Wood/Wishlade but it is the first one!!
You forgot the elusive Edward HOOTON 1818. So I did! I was taking the names from 1841 census!
Not only are we missing John (1836) in 1851, I don't think we have him in 1841 do we? No we don't!
And Edward HOOTON and his wife (to be) are missing in 1861. Perhaps they were making wedding plans tucked away somewhere! I wonder why they went to get married there? With Frances too - who she hadn't looked after earlier!
I think we've been more thorough than normal in this one as our starting point was in the 1830s, not realising the marriage we were searching for was in 1862. You have done a splendid job!
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I must confess, it was only this morning following your post last night of 22:07 that I realised who had got married in 1862. The thought of a pair of 70year olds running off to London to wed hadn't previously occurred to me after their 40+ years of cohabitation. The consistency of Mary (1810) in her service of the WALTHAMs ruled her out of things.
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I know I didn't consider the two Mary's ages - didn't look at them at all -big sin :o
At first I thought it was a double life (exciting)
then I even said to myself 'they can't be sisters- same name!'
I wondered also if they were cousins ::) but never twigged that they could be parent/child.
I am convinced that that is the solution.
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I know I didn't consider the two Mary's ages - didn't look at them at all -big sin :o
At first I thought it was a double life (exciting)
then I even said to myself 'they can't be sisters- same name!'
I wondered also if they were cousins ::) but never twigged that they could be parent/child.
I am convinced that that is the solution.
Just one thing I forgot ... Edward HOOTON at home with wife ... and also with WINSOR daughter in 1851.
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Hi everyone,
can I start by saying you 2 are wonderful for the work you are doing on this for me.My relatives started a group last night (well my husband had to do my bi-the humiliation of it all-lol)simply for exchanging views on past research on our particular lines of enquiry.I've told them about you and they say a big thank you too.
Can you give me a very ,very(because I'm feeling very weird this morning because of my cold and the brain won't take anything too difficult)simplified overview of what you think is happening.Bullet points please.Then at least I can pass it on to them.At the moment i feel so bunged up with cold this is all going a bit over my head.
Many thanks from a poorly Trisha :'( :'((lots of sympathy and hot lemon drinks please)
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I'm not sure whether Mary (1) was born Wishlade and became Wood or vice versa
This is the supposition:
(1) Mary Wishlade Hooton c 1796 Eastbourne Sussex (1841, 1851 census)
her children:
(2) Mary Wishlade c 1811 b Eastbourne Sussex (1841- 1901 censuses)
Edward Hooton c 1818 (Family Search IGI)
John Hooton c 1826 (1841 censuses and others)
Caroline Hooton c 1831 (1841 and others)
Elizer Hooton (1841 and others plus IGI baptism 1849)
Selena Hooton c 1834 (1841 and others plus IGI baptism 1849)
James Hooton c 1836 (1841 and others)
Mary Wishlade c 1811- children
are as you say-
Frances b 1832 (1841 and others)
John b 1836 (1841 and others)
Bales b 1839 (born and died September quarter 1839- certificates would be available to check information - mother and address ??)
Lots of other info in this thread and 1861 thread which when you are better could be collated, checked and cross referenced.
Hope you are better soon
heywood
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I'm not sure whether Mary (1) was born Wishlade and became Wood or vice versa
That's my opinion too.
I think Mary (1) was a bit older - said to be 57 in 1851, 77 in 1869.
Bales WISHLADE was bap 23 July, buried 4 Aug 1839 at Spalding.
If your family have started a group and you have a bad throat, perhaps you could play the drums.
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Dear Trisha
Having reduced most of your correspondents to "darkened rooms" to recuperate, you must be eternally grateful to GeoffE, Heywood and Mum44 for their valuable contributions.
After an initial foray with the 1851 census for Edward Hooton, I, myself, retired to a "darkened room" some time ago from whence I have only recently emerged to see that you are almost "mission accomplished".
I have a possible sighting of John Wishlade (born c1836) if you are still interested and also info re the possible emigration of Selina Hooten/Hotton born c 1831 (daughter of Edward and Mary) to the USA although I am sure that you are probably aware of this.
I am only a "Rootschat Pioneer" (one measly, previous posting) but your query was most interesting and I am so pleased that you are almost "sorted".
Regards
ivanidea
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Ivanidea- you are most welcome and as you began your rootschat 'career' so successfully, I am sure you are now identified as a high flyer ;) You provided much needed information- thanks.
This enquiry goes over 2 threads - one for 1861 and this one. On one of them, and I have to admit, I can't face looking for it, we have Selina in USA and several of the other children- Hooton and Wishlade (in various guises).
Edward and Mary are still walkabout in 1861 and John Wishlade (Mary 2's child) is missing in 1841. There may be other missing ones at odd times too but hopefully when Trisha is recovered (I recommend a nice hot toddy, Trisha, if you take a nip occasionally) she will collate the info and identify the gaps.
:D
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Dear Heywood
Thank you for your kind "Welcome" and it is kind of you to talk of a successful launch to a "Rootschat" career.
Perhaps the "Hooten" thread wasn't the most straightforward of intros for a mere novice but it was certainly interesting!. Perhaps it helps that my ancestors were also part of the "Lincs Lot" and I know the "Deepings" quite well.
I, too, hope that Trisha recovers rapidly and can then tell us what more what she needs by way of further info.
Best Wishes to all involved with this "saga".
Ivananidea
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ah- inside knowledge!
You're right- not an easy one to cut your teeth on but these are the best I think! You'll be hooked soon enough and spend hours searching for the smallest clue and feeling that you personally know ??? ??? of 1861 etc ;D
Great fun!
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Another inconsistency is Edward's place of birth-
1851 gives Crowland or Deeping
1871 gives Deeping St Nick
There is a will of an Edward HOOTON (farmer of Deeping Fen 1777) - too early to be father of our Ed - but the same name - to be found here http://tinyurl.com/3euxfn
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Hi everyone,
got up to watch Strictly come Dancing after a nap and finally have struggled to the computer to see how you're all getting on-lol.
I think, Geoff and Heywood, that your suppostion is very probably correct.It would be nice to find the baptism record for Mary Wishlade b c 1811 to prove whose child she was.There's also that inconsistency as Geoff says about Edwards place of birth in 1851 /71.But you know what censuses can be like,sometimes they say the same each time,sometimes they don't).
I'm also slightly concerned about the Edward Hooton living as father in law to Caroline and William Rudkin in 1871.I always thought Caroline was Edwards daughter born c 1831.I'm not sure if it says he's a widower or not.Can someone tell me?Presumably he was a widower and he's the husband of the Mary Hooton buried at Deeping St James in 1871.He is obviously the Edward Hooton who died in 1877 in Deeping St James.Am I right on this?
Can you check Edward Hooton status in 1871 for me and where they are living?
I hope all this doesn't put Ivanidea off geneolgy-lol.It was a baptism of fire.I've never had a post lke this one before.
I am so greatful to everyone who's helped on this,I simply couldn't have done it without you,especially as I don't have access to Ancestry and a lot of other data.Even so my cold has meant I've rather stood back and let you all get on with it-sorry :-[
I have that will of Edward Hootons(1777) by the way.He's our Edward's grandather.He and his wife Elizabeth had 2 surviving children,Elizabeth (through whom my direct line goes )and her younger brother Edward who married a Mary Apethorpe on July 10th 1783 in Crowland.They had 2 children to my knowledge.Elizabeth ch 8th Sept 1784 Crowland and our Edward b Crowland(not sure of his baptism date).From that point the info came from another relative and that's when I contacted Rootschat.I'm going to put my info to them.First I'm going to read all the info they've sent through from their own research ,which might take a few days and I'll get back to you if there's anything of use to us on it.
Bye for now,Talk to you all soon,
Trisha ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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1871 RG10; Piece: 3317; Folio: 12; Page: 18
Towngate Market Deeping
William Rudkin 47 yrs ag lab b Lincs Witham on the Hill
Caroline 43 yrs b Spalding
Mary R Gilbert grandaughter 3 yrs scholar b Market Deeping
Edward Horton father in law widower 82 yrs retired farmer b Deepiong St Nicholas
Robert Richman boarder 22 yrs Primitve Methodist Minister of Towngate Chapel Mkt Deeping b Pinchbeck West
James P Langham visitor 20 yrs Primitive Methodist Minister of New Road Chapel Peterborough b Norfolk Lynn
and to think that we considered some funny shenanigans were going on with Edward- and him with Primitive Methodist Ministers in the house! :o
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Caroline has 1828 as her birth year through to 1901 (once 1827).
Couldn't see her and William in 1861 and was hopeful that when she was found Edward and Mary would be with her - but no! Found her as Friedkin ??? but no E and H.
take care :)
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Hi everyone,
ok standby for this,I've read the notes and all is answered.
You clever things have got it right. ;D
Mary Wood WAS the mother of Mary Wishlade.
Here's how it goes.
Mary WOOD-b Feb 9th 1792 married to Mr Wishlade Feb 180?(I've asked for a clarifcation on these dates.If it can be proved I'll be astounded,I still think they were living in sin)
They had 4 children
1/Elizabeth Patience-born Feb 8th 1808
2/Mary-born January 29th 1810
3/Louisa-bornJune 24th 1813
4/Edward -born August 20th 1815
After Mr WISHLADES/WISSLEODS death,Mary was married to Edward HOOTON bc Nov 5th 1777
Their children were:-
1/John b Dec21st 1821
2/Elizabeth-born June 29th 1825
3/Caroline-born Nov 16th 1827
4/Eliza-born Jan 3rd 1829
5/Selena-born May 14th 1831
6/James-born March 28th 1835
This is all written from the perspective of a grandchild of Mary Wood.It goes on to say.
Aunt Mary WISHLADE-her daughter Frances BUCKINGHAM-B mAY 16TH 1832.She had 2 daughters the eldest names Mary b 1860 .The other grandaughters name is Lillie COMER.
Grandmother Mary WOOD WISSLEOD HOOTON(Wissloed seems to be another way of spelling Wishlade) died March 4th 1869 aged 77
Grandfather Edward HOOTON died in the Spring of 1877 aged 99 years(I think he was actually 89)
Mary WISHLADE died April 6th 1902
If only they'd sent this all earlier :'( :'( :'( :'(
I'm going to put someof the census returns we've found on the group as they don't have them.
Could I have Mary Wishlade's 1881,91 and 1901 returns in full please so I can give it to them?Pity we couldn't find Messrs Hooton and Wood in the 1861 census-never mind.You win some you lose some.
I think what I need to now is harrass someone on the Sussex site and ask for a search on the Eastbourne baptisms for the 2 Mary's.Just to get it from a register and not some 90 year old family bible.
Everybody have a large glass of wine to celebrate ;).Even I feel a little bit better with the success of it all.
Trisha ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Hi everyone,
I have a bit of astounding news.
Mary wood did marry Mr Wishlade.Someone has found their marriage on the Sussex Marriage Index.
Eastbourne,East Sussex
6th April 1807
John WISHLADE-bachelor[to Mary WOODS-both of this parish
What a turn up for the books.
Trisha ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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It was a piece o' cake wasn't it?
Their children were:-
1/John b Dec21st 1821
2/Elizabeth-born June 29th 1825
3/Caroline-born Nov 16th 1827
4/Eliza-born Jan 3rd 1829
5/Selena-born May 14th 1831
6/James-born March 28th 1835
The IGI also has Edward bap 13 Sept 1818 at Deeping St James.
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A job well done!!
What good news!
I wish they'd looked after Frances though :(
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I wish they'd looked after Frances though :(
At least she had a roof over her head - poor John was missing for ages.
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true- and Frances must have been forgiving as she stood witness to the marriage.
Well done again geoff- super sleuth :D
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Hi
I came across your thread while I was googling! and I managed to find out what happened to John Wishlaide (born 1836). I found him in 1841, he was being looked after by his Aunt and her family. Louisa Wishlaide (born 1812) who married Francis Landon. At the time she had three daughters, Elizabeth (born 1837), Rebecca (born 1839) and Caroline (born 1841)
His sister Frances, was in the workhouse, I don't know why she wasn't being looked after by family. I can't find him in the 1851 census., to all avail! She was still in the workhouse until 1851, she managed to get out and go to London where she married a Buckingham and had two children, Frances Mary (born 1860) and Selina Elizabeth (born 1868). I believe Frances Mary may have died when still in her twenties, she spent a little time in the hospital and can't seem to find her past the census of 1881.
I find the whole family fascinating! Especially Mary and Edward Hooton! It appears that they were quite unconventional!