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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Lincolnshire Lookup Requests => Lincolnshire => England => Lincolnshire Completed Look up Requests => Topic started by: TrishaG on Tuesday 02 December 08 14:44 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
can someone find these people?
Edward Hooton and Mary Wishlade marry in 1862 but may have lived together before then(they married in the Pancras district in March 1/4 of 1862) but I'm pretty sure lived their life in Lincolnshire afterwards).Mary is certainly to be found in 1851 in Deeping Fen as a Farm servant mistrancribed as WISHLEY.The surname I know can also be spelt WISSLOED.
The other people are her children from her 1st relationship.
Francis,her daughter in 1841 and 1851 was in Spalding Workhouse mistrancribed as WISHLEY.Mary also has a son John.
Here are the details.
Edward HOOTON-AGE C 68-b Crowland,Lincolnshire
Mary WISHLADE/WISSLOED/WISHLEY-age c50/52-born Eastbourn,Sussex
Francis WISHLADE/WISSLOED/WISHLEY-age 29-born Spalding,Lincs
John WISHLADE/WISLOED/WISHLEY-age c 25-born Spalding,Lincs
Many thanks to anyone who can help me,it's much appreciated.
Trisha. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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am struggling but I'll have another go. I have John in later censuses and his marriage I think- do you have those?
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I think you're offline now Trisha so I'll post re John because of the spellings!! No matter if youhave it already it's better than not knowing :)
hope it's him ???
Free BMD marriage : 1866 John Wishlade and Selina Wollerton
1871 RG10; Piece: 3335; Folio: 71; Page: 13 transcribed as Whitkehard
near Fontbridge (?) Leake
John 32 yrs cottager b Deeping
Selina 28 yrs b Leake
Mary 3 yrs b Leake
John 1 month b Leake
Eliza Wolerton sister housekeeper 25 yrs b Leake
1881 RG11; Piece: 3214; Folio: 77; Page: 1 transcribed as Whitehead
John 44 yrs cottager b Spalding
Sabina b Leake
John 10 yrs b Leake
Mary 6 yrs b Leake
I wonder if the first Mary died?
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,345602.15.html
this family pre- 1861 ;D ;D
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yes I saw that Mum- am going forward because that isn't mentioned- hoping that I'm helping ;D but then again ::)
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1891 RG12; Piece: 2571; Folio 60; Page 13 - correct spelling at last :D
Leake
John Wishlade 54 yrs farmer b Spalding
Selina 50 yrs b Leake
John 20 yrs farmer's son b Leake
Mary 16 yrs b Leake
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1901 RG13; Piece: 3042; Folio: 118; Page: 11
Sibsey Road Leake
Selina Wishlade 60 yrs head widow cottager b Leake
John son 30 yrs labourer b Leake
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I cannot for the life of me work out whether we're looking for Wishlades or Hootons ::) ??? ::) Either backwards or forwards ??? ::)
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Hi Hewood,
many thanks,you're definately helping.With this family I need all the help I can get.They're a broken branch on my family tree at the moment-lol
Trisha ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Oh heck - don't say that!!
It says 1861 and then mentions 'these people' - so I'm working on that :D
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that reply was to Mum and thank goodness I am finding a broken twig!
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Free BMD marriage 1858
James Buckingham and Frances Wishlade possible spouses
1861 RG9; Piece: 101; Folio: 133; Page: 41
James Buckingham 28 yrs Journeyman painter b Sussex (could be Surrey) Christchurch
Frances 28 yrs b Spalding Lincs
Frances M daur 1 yr b Middlesex Pancaras
Alexander Sawyer boarder journeyman painter v Cumberland
I've been so worried about poor Frances spending all that time in the workhouse - thank goodness!
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I'm glad you've found her too :-* Well done :-*
I must admit, I wondered .....
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Hi everyone,
you're looking for both.
The problem was ,until today I thought that a Mary Wood lived with a Mr Wishlade,had 3 children,Frances,John and Bales,then had a relationship with an Edward HOOTON who she married in 1862 by whom she had a further 6 or 7 children.
However all these posts have discounted the latter.The lady in question,it would appear had 2 relationships going on at the same time .However it's rather confusing because children from both relationships seem to have been born in the same year.It's definately the same woman in both relationship ,no doubt-now I have to find whats happening.The 1871 census Show John Wishlade showing that Eliza Wolleton(the married name of Eliza Hooton from the 1841 census)was his sister but they have different fathers.So that was a great help.
If I could find Edward HOOTON and Mary in 1851 and 1861 that would be a great help.Her surname might be WOOD,WISHLADE or HOOTON but officially they are not married.They married in Pancras district in March 1/4 1862.In 1845 he was a Beer shop Keeper in Deeping Fen age 45(he was born c 1793)and she comes from Eastbourn,Sussex b 1810.
It would be great to know who was living with them in those censuses.That would help a lot.
Thanks to everybody who's helping on this,it's helping me a great deal.
Trisha ;D ;D ;D ;D
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1871 RG10; Piece: 228; Folio: 73; Page: 58
65 Charrington Street St Pancras
James Buckingham 38 yrs painter and decorator b Christchurch Middlesex
Frances wife 38 yrs b Lincs Spalding
Selina E 3 yrs b Middlesex St Pancras
Annie Moeller boarder 31 yrs cook domestic servant
now back to John - he married a Wollerton- Selina --and I was assuming that it was an error and Eliza was actually sister in law - I'm confused again!
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Hi Heywood,
well done,
make that 3,I was wondering what became of her.
Can you tell me where they lived,wasn't St Pancras was it?That might explain why her mother married there
Trisha ;D ;D ;D ;D
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If I could find Edward HOOTON and Mary in 1851 .......
Trisha - I thought we'd found Edward in 1851 - on the other thread - living as father in law with Joseph Wenser who was married to Elizabeth Wishlade Hooton ??? ??? ???
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Hi Heywood,
well done,
make that 3,I was wondering what became of her.
Can you tell me where they lived,wasn't St Pancras was it?That might explain why her mother married there
Trisha ;D ;D ;D ;D
yes it was St Pancras
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1881 RG11; Piece: 133; Folio: 131; Page: 47
58 Castle St East Marylebone
James Buckingham 48 yrs house painter b London
Frances wife 48 yrs b Spalding
Frances M 21 yrs upholsteress b Marylebone
Selina 13 yrs b St Pancras
I'll check 1871 because Frances M was missing I think.
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can't spot Frances M in 1871.
1891 RG12; Piece: 89; Folio 94; Page 3
59 Castle St East Marylebone
Frances Buckingham head widow ??maker b Spalding
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last one- I'll have to make the tea ::)
got a scare here- she is transcribed as 'sister' but it is not so!
South Park Road Wimbledon
Frderick Comer 38 yrs mercantile clerk b London St James Weston
Selina 33 yrs b London St Pancras
Lillie 10 yrs b Surrey Wimbledon
Frank Barnes boarder 25 yrs clerk b Wells Somerset
Frances Buckingham visitor 68 yrs Upholsterer's trimming maker b Spalding
now Tricia - is it still Edward and Mary that you are looking for?
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The 1871 census Show John Wishlade showing that Eliza Wolleton(the married name of Eliza Hooton from the 1841 census)was his sister but they have different fathers.So that was a great help.
Trisha ;D ;D ;D ;D
This is the bit I don't understand re John and his 'sister'
1841 has a Sulina Wallorter - with a sister Eliza- (Eliza is shown as older) living at East Leake Allotment
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The 1858 BUCKINGHAM/WISHLADE marriage is in the IGI - but no fathers' names. :(
Note: Mary WISHLADE (the one from Eastbourne) was still a servant of the WAL(T)HAMs in 1861 and 1871. The one who married Edward HOOTON in 1862 was a different person.
I could imagine that the Edward HOOTON was the one bap in 1818 rather than his father.
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Oh Geoff - where does that leave us? :'( ??? ::)
(I've forgotten what we're looking for ;))
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(I've forgotten what we're looking for ;))
That makes two of us! We seem to have been working forwards rather than backwards.
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(I've forgotten what we're looking for ;))
That makes two of us! We seem to have been working forwards rather than backwards.
Three ??? ::) I got lost in Cambridge when Elizabeth Wishlade Hooton got married ??? ??? ???
I think it's summary time ::) ::)
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Is it me ;D or weren't we asked to work forward from the beginning?
I know that there is a previous thread re pre 1861 but not sure now, in view of Geoff's intervention who we are really looking for - are Frances and John the right children of the right person :o
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Now... I know that Edward Hooton and Mary Wood have been mentioned as a couple.
IGI has Selena b 1831 as a daughter -submitted by a member and Selena died in Michigan.
This is 'verified ' in 1841 (no relationships given but together as a family).
Edward in this case was born c 1796 so he would be getting on a bit to be having children post 1862 - if that is the assertion.
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I think that is what Trisha originally believed - but there is now a second Edward, younger, who married in 1862 ???
This applies also to Mary - the "original" Mary, born 1810 Eastbourne - would have been 52 at marriage in 1862 ???
I think we are safe in saying that the Edward and Mary who married in London in 1862 were not the "original" Edward and Mary :-\
Plus, Geoff has found (other thread ) Edward aged 82 living with another daughter :-\
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This applies also to Mary - the "original" Mary, born 1810 Eastbourne - would have been 52 at marriage in 1862 ???
and she was still in Pinchbeck in 1871 (WITCHLADE).
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I think I am following the original Edward and Mary.
Has anyone found Edward and Mary Hooton post marriage in 1862?
IGI has the extracted marriage Edward Hooton and Mary Wishlade or Woods ??? ??? ???
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There is a marriage 1847 for William Rudkin and Caroline Hooton Westlade/Westlake - presumably variants of Wishlade so this would lead you to think that the children were illegitimate, having Hooton as a middle name. However,she is with Edward and Mary in 1841 - no relationships given.
BUT if these (1841) are the children of Edward Hooton and Mary Wishlade- then are the others Frances et al not?? Frances is on IGI as Wishleat with mother Mary. no father). They are all being born around the same time - and why would Frances be in the workhouse?
Interestingly (if you go for this kind of thing) Selina and Elizabeth were both christened - same day in 1849 - wonder if these were adult baptisms of the same children of 1841 and they were then baptised as Hooton??
Tricia- please look over everything, then when you have sorted it ;D ;D ;D let us know!
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They are two distinct batches -
1) children of Edward and Mary at Deeping.
2) children of Mary at Spalding - Frances, John and Bales (died 1839)
Regarding Caroline, father named as Edward HOOTON. The transcription I have (from the register, not from GRO index) is Caroline Hooton WISHLADE (see Bourne spreadsheet - here http://s10.freefronthost.com/mi/index.html )
My suspicion is that the names were accidentally transposed as the other kids were Wishlade HOOTON.
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Thanks Geoff - I'm still struggling.
Do you think that there are two Marys then? It's odd that they are both Wishlade.
Regarding Caroline's marriage though - as she is married with the main surname of Wishlade and the middle name of Hooton that may mean that the parents are not married- do you think?
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I'm struggling too ... have you seen that submitted IGI entry for Selena HOOTEN 1831? A total red herring ... or of relevance?
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I know ??? She is in 1841 census with the family; then she is christened (records) in 1849 and as someone has quoted her death in USA - that must be fairly accurate I suppose.
I wondered (I do a lot of that on Rootschat - ponder and wonder ;)) if she and Elizabeth were baptised before they were going to be married perhaps ?
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I know ??? She is in 1841 census with the family;
More to ponder ...
But would they say she was aged 7 in 1841? Does this mean that the HOOTONs went to Spalding. Then there's the mother's name - WOOD - and Mary WISHLADE aka WOODS who married Edward HOOTON in 1862.
What happened to Mary HOOTON?
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Free BMD death 1902 Spalding Mary Wishlade 92 yrs (God love her!)
1901 RG13; Piece: 3032; Folio: 129; Page: 10
9 Green Lane Spalding
Mary Wishlade head single 91 yrs living on own means b Sussex Eastbourne
Mary E Wishlade grandaughter single 26 yrs b Lincs Old Leake
this links this Mary Wishlade with John and family.
1891 she is alone
1881 as Mary Wishlroe she is a retired servant nurse and is unmarried.
BUT there is a link to those children and in a way with those two marriages in St Pancras.
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Have I missed a bit :'( :'( :'( :'(
Or is I daft :'( :'( :'(
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Have I missed a bit :'( :'( :'( :'( Or is I daft :'( :'( :'(
just keep smiling and act normal- no-one will notice ;D
Geoff- in reply to yours - I don't know :'( :'( :'(
I have had a great idea though - get that marriage certificate Tricia- 1862 Edward and Mary and see what it says :D
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Hi,
I'm, going to have to ask the relative.I think she's got it.
Sorry for confusing you all.
Trisha ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I think that's the best thing to do - please let us know ;D
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apologies - I'm back.
Not too sure now what we have/have not
1841 HO107; Piece 606; Book: 14; Folio: 13; Page: 21
Mary Wishlade is with the Walthams.
Frances is in workhouse - where is John?
Another idea- get the marriage certificate for Frances - check re father's name.
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Geoff and Tricia,
two things:
somewhere you posted a marriage re John Wishlade Hooton (1845?) and Trisha thought that it was too early for Mary's son.
However 1841 Edward and Mary Hooton have a 15 yr old John.
re Selena Hooten (IGI) - looked at 1880 USA for a Selena born 1831 England living in Michigan- would you believe the 2nd one is in the same place as the cemetery mentioned in IGI :D Selena Kerman.
Free BMD marriage 1852 Selen Hooten and John Kerman :D
Now just how that helps or influences this ...
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Hi heywood
I'm glad you found Selena in the US - age of eldest child shows they left Lincs before 1861.
John W HOOTON married Jane WENHAM - I don't know what happened to them ... wait -
John and Jane WISHLEAD in 1851 - 3 kids at home and another next door with WHINHAMs. I can't see them after that.
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aaaggghhh ??? ???
How odd all this is!
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Hi heywood
I'm glad you found Selena in the US - age of eldest child shows they left Lincs before 1861.
John W HOOTON married Jane WENHAM - I don't know what happened to them ... wait -
John and Jane WISHLEAD in 1851 - 3 kids at home and another next door with WHINHAMs. I can't see them after that.
I can't see them either but note that their children are registered as Edward Hooton; Mary Ann Wishl*** Hooton and John William Hooton although they appear in this census as Wishlead (Wishlade) Perhaps they emigrated too. (The other child at home is a nephew)