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I haven't been on here for a while so I'm hoplessly out of date.
How long has the 1911 census been online?
It hasn't demolished my brickwall though,unfortunately!
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Hi Happy Granny.
Received an email last evening to say it launches today 13 Jan 2009.
"We wanted you to be the first to know that the 1911census.co.uk website launches officially tomorrow"
Still not complete though...........
Counties not available for launch but coming soon:
England:
Durham
Cumberland
Northumberland
Westmorland
Yorkshire – East Riding and North Riding
Wales:
Anglesey
Brecknockshire
Carnarvonshire
Cardiganshire
Carmarthenshire
Denbighshire
Flintshire
Glamorgan
Merionethshire
Montgomeryshire
Monmouthshire
Pembrokeshire
Radnorshire
Peter
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It came online today - my brickwall is similarly firmly in place! :(
Form says just put country so that's what great-great-great-grandfather did - just "Germany" >:(
Ah well, I'm sure it'll still be interesting to follow all their lives another 10 years.....
This is the first census which will show my grandfathers - my paternal grandmother was still "baking" and my maternal grandmother never left Australia so they're not there.
All part of the puzzle! ;D
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Good morning Happy Granny,
The 1911 census went online today. It suddenly makes the fact that I have to get up for work at 5am worthwhile as I can beat the rush and managed to find both my Granny and grandad. ;D
Thornhill121
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Thanks.
It was found by a complete fluke...a sleepless night so I decided to have a look at my tree after a few months rest.I was trying to look at it with fresh eyes!
I signed into the 1901 site and saw the 1911 census.
I thought,after a lot of discussion on this site, that the 1911 census wasn't going to be released early.
Sue
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Havnt had time to look yet, is the last bit still blanked out?
peter
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No it doesn't appear to be blanked out.
I must admit though it hasn't got me any further... yet!
The credits disappeared in the blink of an eye though, as I wanted to look at a couple of originals.
Sue
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I have only just noticed that my great grandfather is described on the 1911
census as a "builder labour (sic) in receipt of an old age Russian" !! :P
Conjures up all sorts of pictures
Sue
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Havnt had time to look yet, is the last bit still blanked out?
peter
Yes blanked out till 3rd Jan 2012( 100 year ruling on sensitive info)
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Cheers Carol.will look for myself later.
Peter
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I have only just noticed that my great grandfather is described on the 1911
census as a "builder labour (sic) in receipt of an old age Russian" !! :P
Conjures up all sorts of pictures
Sue
Are you sure it doesn't say "in receipt of an old age Pension?"
Anna
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Hi Anna
On the original it says pension but the transcriber has put "old age Russian"...
honestly! I have completed the error form
What part of the census is blocked out as the page looks complete to me?
Sue
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Hi Sue
it will be the far right hand column.
Peter
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Yes Peter....the infirmity bit is blanked out.
I hadn't looked at the top of the column and as I printed the original off, and the sticker is white, it didn't show up.
I have just re-looked at the original online ::)
Sue
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More info here
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7816516.stm
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Apologies to Find my Past for all the bad things I said! :-X
The 1911 census is to be released tomorrow and West Yorkshire has been transcribed! :-* Life doesn't get any better than that! ;D ;D ;D
Jill
Moderator comment: topics merged
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i'm just catching up with the posts
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Great to see Nottinghamshire live. Found my g grandparents with 10 children, but still no sign of my grandmother. How frustrating!!
Lynne
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Cant find either of my parents, nor their parents ... in fact, can't find anyone !
Good job I havent paid anything yet !
Could it be that both my parents being disabled from birth, the whole sheet has been blanked, rather than the end column ?
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I have found lots of people with Lancs and Cheshire and W Yorkshire the vast majority of mine are covered
I have not however spent a penny, I will look at this at the National Archives on my next visit
Provided the name is not to common, you can often find out who is in the household by clever use of the search facilities
Bob
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I've followed the link from findmypast.com but the site won't load on my computer.
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Now that Lancashire is available, life is great ;D
Found the three grandparents who were born by then, including my granddad aged 3 months & found OH's 2xGgrandparents & discovered there are 3 dead children as well as the 7 live ones, so more investigating for me.
Being careful with my credits though & not downloading everything, just where I had no address or there were extra people listed.
Made a couple of error corrections too, so feeling smug ;D
SandraC
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My mother was down as Goock instead of Gooch. Good job I knew where they lived.
I invested £6.95. Found my mother and father. Now I have no more credits left. Seems a lot for just 2 records. Don't think I will bother with anyone else unless it is my husbands family.
Sylviaann
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I found most of mine on the beta testing and one more now that Kent has been released. Brilliant my great great grandparents, trouble is I thought they had 8 children, they had 13 and 5 died so I've got to go hunt 5 more children. ::) ;D
Kerry
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Hi
I couldnt resist buying more credits and viewing the original household transcripts now that Essex has been released.
Ben
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Hi Julie
the link you need is http://www.1911census.co.uk/
Peter
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http://www.1911census.co.uk
Does it for me.
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Hi all,What info is on the transcripts?
I take it the full one is the actual form they filled in by their own hand? Thanks....haven't bought credits.....Yet ;D
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Hi ricoba
see Reply #14 on: Today - above
they show an example
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To Claire on the previous thread.
Thanks for the tip, there he is large as life!!!with a street address.
I felt quite emotional :o
Cheers
Jo :)
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woo leicestershire is there
transcripts are worth viewing if they are not a direct descendant i think - more for your money that way
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Just discovered one of my ancestors was running a "Private Home for Feebleminded" in 1911 . . .
Must have been the inspiration for Channel 4's "Big Brother" ;D ;D ;D
More seriously, I was very pleasantly surprised to find the site worked so well this morning, but also disappointed to find a few very obvious transcription errors. I only found one person because I knew where she lived.
Mike.
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Just discovered one of my ancestors was running a "Private Home for Feebleminded" in 1911 . . .
Must have been the inspiration for Channel 4's "Big Brother" ;D ;D ;D
More seriously, I was very pleasantly surprised to find the site worked so well this morning, but also disappointed to find a few very obvious transcription errors. I found one person only because I knew where she lived.
Mike.
ooops! clicked Quote instead of modify :-[
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Will it be possible to view the 1911 at the National Archives for nothing????---ever hopeful
Ringrose
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Just discovered one of my ancestors was running a "Private Home for Feebleminded" in 1911 . . .
Must have been the inspiration for Channel 4's "Big Brother" ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D
More seriously, I was very pleasantly surprised to find the site worked so well this morning, but also disappointed to find a few very obvious transcription errors. I only found one person because I knew where she lived.
It's also a shame that with it being household by household you are unable to view the people next door .. unless you pay a great deal more .. having said that I'm certainly not complaining, this has made my day .. ! :) :)
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I can't believe where this morning has gone! It's been great just searching on different names. Credits don't last long, do they and I've only been looking at transcripts.
One occupation is described as "APGE BOY". Has anyone got any thoughts about what it should say. I don't want to pay for the full page at the moment.
Better do some work now!
Lynne
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Page Boy - mispelt maybe
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:-\ Robert Norris c1869 Kilburn........... Still in the coal shed......... :'(
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I've messed up already - against my better judgement I purchased some credits, found my chap, downloaded the page (not transcript) and ......?
Wrong one!!!! :'(
I really thought I'd nailed him! Very disappointed and I feel a teensy little bit ripped off.
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I've messed up already - against my better judgement I purchased some credits, found my chap, downloaded the page (not transcript) and ......?
Wrong one!!!! :'(
I really thought I'd nailed him! Very disappointed and I feel a teensy little bit ripped off.
I did that twice last night. 60 credits down the drain :o
Anna
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To Claire on the previous thread.
Thanks for the tip, there he is large as life!!!with a street address.
I felt quite emotional :o
Cheers
Jo :)
Happy to help :)
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I've followed the link from findmypast.com but the site won't load on my computer.
No it doesn't work that way round, but if you go to
http://www.1911census.co.uk
as suggested by others, you can log on using your FindMyPast log on details. I already had some credits (although I do have a sub) as in the early days FindMyPast used to give you credits when you notified them of transcript errors. I wondered what I was going to do with them. ::) Unfortunately, I only had 14 and I've just spent 10 looking at the record of my g.uncle. I now know that after leaving an orphanage in 1908 and joining the army, he was at barracks at Aldershot in 1911 with other members of his regiment. Now I'll have to buy more credits to look at the transcription.
Unfortunately, my brick wall is still there. My g.grandfather lived in E.Yorks, so not showing yet, but I'm not sure there is anything on the 1911 census that would point to his background, that is not on the 1890 and 1901 census. I need to know his mother's name and nationality.
Lizzie
Lizzie
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I've messed up already - against my better judgement I purchased some credits, found my chap, downloaded the page (not transcript) and ......?
Wrong one!!!! :'(
I really thought I'd nailed him! Very disappointed and I feel a teensy little bit ripped off.
I did that twice last night. 60 credits down the drain :o
Anna
I suppose it's cheaper than getting the wrong BMD cert :-\ So far i've been lucky with my own line. Not had much luck with a friend's though :(
I see that there are now a few requests for 1911 look ups cropping up on the forum and all getting similar replies. Wonder if there's any way of making it clear that it is expensive.
Gadget
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I've just had 4 e-mails, all with different reference numbers stating:
Thank you for contacting The 1911 Customer Support Team.
Your enquiry has been received and has been assigned call number XXXXX
Please reply to this email if making any enquiries about the status of your enquiry.
We aim to resolve all enquiries within two working days.
The 1911 Customer Support Team
What is all that about, I've not made any comment or enquiry about the 1911 census. :o
Lizzie
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For those disappointed at not finding a male relative, bear in mind the Overseas Army and Navy sections are still to be added. Plenty of young/ish men will be skulking there!
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Oh, poor Anna - you must feel very disappointed - yep - transcripts for me from now on .... I've limited myself to 60 credits only (at this stage ;)) so when they're gone, that's it!
They should let you buy the tanscript for 10 credits and upgrade to the original for a further 20 credits if you find the right one. ;D
Gadget, Of course you're right about it being cheaper that buying the wrong cert. It probably grates a bit because we're so used to viewing censuses via subscription and not having to be so careful.
Yes, I've noticed the lookups too. Not sure if people realise that access is open to all (they may think it's subscription rather than credits).
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Another query. If you don't have any (enough) credits, do you get a message stating "We are sorry but the image is not currently available", or does that mean even if I buy some credits the image is not currently available. Why would that be if the transcription is there?
Lizzie
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hi all...me too..i have limited myself to 60 credits too... just interested in seeing my ancestors own writing and occupations.
I would use it again if i was desperate to find a particular person but it is expensive.....
Debz
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Another query. If you don't have any (enough) credits, do you get a message stating "We are sorry but the image is not currently available", or does that mean even if I buy some credits the image is not currently available. Why would that be if the transcription is there?
Lizzie
for some reason it sounds as if the image is NOT available, because when i've done a search and went to d/l image
if you havn't got sufficient credits it takes you to the buy credits page and prices etc,
maybe best to contact them if thats the only one you want and then find it's not available
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Ahhh I have had such a happy morning!!
I'm about £30 worse off (!) but have cleared up a couple of mysteries that I've been looking into for YEARS - it's so lovely to have tied up some loose ends. And also to find some extra children I didn't know existed!
It's strange seeing the actual handwriting of my great great grandparents. ;D
I thought there was a transcript error on one, as his name was down as 'Tom Doris Waite' so purchased the original. Lo and behold for some bizarre reason that was his name.
I think I need to have some self control and stop for today though. :D
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luchtime and so have used it wisely in scrollign throguht he census well i didnt have to scroll found them straight off :)
my Nan with her parents and 7 siblings one just a baby daughetr at 3 weeks old
and her mothers father who was recently widowed (in 1910) he was with a diferent daughter and her husband (and also another son) but he has filled in the section re how many years married and children which is brilliant
the problem i have is that the addresses are no longer there anymore all seem to be under multi storey carparks / shopping centres or blocks of flats :(
and francis frith does not have them on their site any ideas re this it would be nice to see a photo or drawing of the dwellings
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hi just trying to save a few pennies here what info is transcribe please does it give nimber of children etc
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Toni what address are you trying to get old pic's off?
alison
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It would seem that it's easier to get on the 1911 site than the parent FindMyPast site at the moment. Do you think they've been rejigging the server space :-\
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I've messed up already - against my better judgement I purchased some credits, found my chap, downloaded the page (not transcript) and ......?
Wrong one!!!! :'(
Yes, same thing happened to me too. Is there any way we could donate unwanted images anywhere, or would that be naughty?
Evie
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hi just trying to save a few pennies here what info is transcribe please does it give nimber of children etc
this is info you get for each
ORIGINAL (30 CREDITS)
NAME
RELATIONSHIP TO HEAD
MARITAL STATUS
AGE
YEARS MARRIED
TOTAL CHILDREN BORN ALIVE
CHILDREN STILL LIVING (AMOUNT NOT NAMES)
CHILDREN WHO HAVE DIED (AMOUNT NOT NAMES)
OCCUPATION
INDUSTRY OR SERVICE TO WHICH WORKER IS CONNECTED
WORKER OR SELF EMPLOYED
WHETHER WORKING AT HOME
BIRTHPLACE
NATIONALITY OF PERSON BORN IN FOREIGN COUNTRY
INFIRMITY (HIDDEN UNTIL 2012)
AMOUNT OF ROOMS IN THE HOUSE
SIGNATURE OF HEAD (OR PERSON WHO FILLS IN FORM)
POSTAL ADDRESS
TRANSCRIPT (10 CREDITS)
NAME
RELATIONSHIP TO HEAD
MARITAL STATUS
YEARS MARRIED
SEX
AGE IN 1911
OCCUPATION
WHERE BORN
DETAILS OF ADDRESS
also just a note the original is as it says a jpeg of the original census form
the transcript is the above in a notepad (ie you won't see the handwriting)
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Alison, if you go on the 1911 site, you can have a good look round for free. They have a sample transcript and a sample originalcensus form together with some notes to explain. You can also do some searching for free and rank the results.
General comment,not addressed to anyone in particular; I think it's quite a good site and not too expensive - someone has to pay because there's no such thing as a free lunch ;D
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As the image I wanted that is not available, is an army camp in Aldershot, I don't suppose it matters at the moment. It won't have my ancestors signature and I've got the address of the barracks from the basic transcript.
I did buy the census page of my paternal grandparents and their two eldest children. I would think my gran filled in the census, as the signature at the bottom which I presume is my grandfather's (its his name), is in different handwriting to the rest of the census. As I have my first birthday card from my paternal gran (grandad died long before I was born), I can compare the handwriting.
Lizzie
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thanks well theres a few errors lol Christopher frederick SMITH thought would be easy to find ....
this is how they have HIM.... SMITH, CHARLOTTE FREDER but still worth it lol
roll on Durham and East yorks lol
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Toni what address are you trying to get old pic's off?
alison
i only tried Francis Frith do you know of others?
or do you mean the actaul address?
olive street Leicester and Liverpool Street Leicester
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the leicestershire record office might have photo's of that area might be worth an email to see, i'll have a look in some leicester books i've got to see if theres any mention in them.
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Tried Google Images?
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I've just found my partner's grandfather but at this rate I shall have to mortgage the house. Will A******y be getting their claws on this at some stage or will we always have to be paying to see each individual household?
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I know I am technically inept, but I did manage to print an image page from the beta site.
How do I do it now the site is properly launched?
The image is huge, how do I make it smaller?
I tried to print one, there was one page with just a heading, and one page with just the left hand side of the image!!! :-[
Help! Non technical words of one syllable please, and assume no previous knowledge!
Kooky
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Switch to the "printer-friendly" option offered on the screen, and make sure your printing preferences (for your own printer) are set to landscape, not portrait.
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I've been on the site over lunch and 60 credits disappeared in the blink of an eye :o Luckily I limited myself to 60. ;D ;D
Its a real shame you can't see the neighbours as well as this usually tells you alot about the area where your ancestors lived. Sadly it has not solved the problem of my grandad's adopted sister though. This means I will have to wait for the 1921!!!! :(
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Its surprising how much you can glean just from the free index with some inventive searches ........ with full name and age that helps pinpoint anyone with more unusual names etc. I'm biding my time and having a good play around before parting with any money!
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Just found ref to getting the credits 10% cheaper - there's a promotional code:
http://www.1911census.org.uk/1911access.htm
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Cats Ears, Thank you. Where does it say 'printer friendly' on the actual image, not the transcription.
I have tried again and am offered 3 pages. Page 2 has only part of the form on it
Help!
Kooky
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Cats Ears, Thank you. Where does it say 'printer friendly' on the actual image, not the transcription.
I have tried again and am offered 3 pages. Page 2 has only part of the form on it
Help!
Kooky
I think I just downloaded the originals and saved them, then printed them from the PC.
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Just found ref to getting the credits 10% cheaper - there's a promotional code:
http://www.1911census.org.uk/1911access.htm
Thank you Gadget
Every little helps!
Kerry
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Printing
Download,Save and then copy to Word - Landscape. You can resize on the page, I have found A3 is best (if you have that option).
Peter
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I'm pleased to have found my mother & two of her sisters, all four grandparents, one great grandfather, & a set of great grandparents. One great grandmother should be there, but I can't find her. Probably mistranscribed >:(
I'm not impressed with the quality of the transcriptions. I've one girl down as son & male, when she's clearly a daughter with her age in the female column on the original. And yet another mistranscripton of Stutely >:( >:( It's at the level of Ancestry, they must be using the same people ;D It should be better, the prices they are charging.
Betty
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Thanks all! I think I've done it. Not sure how.......... :-[
Kooky
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Just found ref to getting the credits 10% cheaper - there's a promotional code:
http://www.1911census.org.uk/1911access.htm
Thanks Gadget :D Found most of my direct ancestors during the Beta testing and was tempted yesterday to buy more credits to search sideways, glad I resisted :D
Susan :)
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I found a gg grandfather in the workhouse in Christchurch, Bournemouth. I thought he'd died sometime between 1881 and 1891!!
I've now traced him through 1891 and 1901 too. A brick wall down I never even knew I had. :)
Paul
P.S. There's a full list of all districts and places with their census references here:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=353037
It's quite useful for refining/confirming your search before paying for the image/transcript.
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I am very happy - smashed my brick wall during the beta test and finally know the identity of of my great grandfather for the first time!
He was the employer of my great grandmother!
Tracy
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I've tried relative on both sides and it can't find them.Different names and counties and ages. They should be there. Is everything uploaded yet? Is it the site playing up? Or am I doing something wrong? ???
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:) Fab, but expensive. I found my grandad in 1911. It was impossible to resist the temptation to look at the actual image. I'm worrying that I know my credit card number off by heart. ::)
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I found one family had used Mr and Mrs on their form and so that is how they were transcribed. When I looked I found lots like that. Try advanced searching with surname and also someone else you would expect to be in th house.
Sue
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Hi
I am looking for my grandma who would have been 24 and almost certainly "in service". Nothing under her surname - Mosedale. Is it possible to use wildcards? I tried MOS* but it found nothing.
Any ideas?
Lynne
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I found one family had used Mr and Mrs on their form and so that is how they were transcribed. When I looked I found lots like that. Try advanced searching with surname and also someone else you would expect to be in th house.
Sue
Thank you. I found my Great Grandmother (see my avatar) by looking for her Father.
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Hi
I am looking for my grandma who would have been 24 and almost certainly "in service". Nothing under her surname - Mosedale. Is it possible to use wildcards? I tried MOS* but it found nothing.
Any ideas?
Lynne
Hi Lynne This page gives some useful search tips http://www.1911census.co.uk/content/default.aspx?r=33&68
I'm not sure wildcards are actually working just yet, but there are other search items you can use such as place of birth etc.
Kerry
modified - wildcards are included, at the bottom of the link above. :)
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From the 'Launch' email ...
We expect the site to be very busy at first, and so we have taken a number of measures to make sure that as many people as possible can get their searches completed successfully. The first is that we have deliberately restricted some of the search functions on the site, meaning that the search is not as flexible as it will be later on. Secondly, we are only allowing users to download original pages, rather than view them directly on the website.
Obviously, we will 'unlock' the powerful search features and switch on image viewers as soon as possible after launch and let you know by email and via the blog when we have done this.
During launch, if the site becomes exceptionally busy, we will also restrict the number of new people entering the site. We want to allow the people who are already using the site to complete their searches rather than make the site impossibly slow for everybody. We have built the site to withstand a very large (but not infinite) number of visitors, so if you find that you are not being allowed in, please bear with us. Real-time service updates can be found on our blog, which we advise you to check frequently for the latest news.
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I found one family had used Mr and Mrs on their form and so that is how they were transcribed. When I looked I found lots like that. Try advanced searching with surname and also someone else you would expect to be in th house.
Sue
Thank you. I found my Great Grandmother (see my avatar) by looking for her Father.
Actually, scratch that. She's not on the census at all under her name.
She'd have been 16 so maybe in service???
Would that be under her masters name then?
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Would that be under her masters name then?
She shouldn't, anyway! :o
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Hi Kerry
Thanks for that. The site states -
"Wildcard searching
Wildcard searching allows you to replace letters or sequences of letters with an asterisk (*), if you are unsure of how a name was spelt, or can't find it with the usual spelling.
A wildcard can be used at the beginning of a word, where it is especially useful as capital letters in cursive writing are more likely to be transcribed incorrectly are perhaps looking for a Rollind or a Collins."
I tried *os*dal and got the message "A wildcard cannot be the first character" !!
Lynne
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not yet implemented - see Launch email .... extract above ....
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I bought 280 credits and just did transcripts as I am doing mine and my husbands. Had lots of finds and only half a dozen wrong ones but no luck finding my grandfather could not find him in 1901 either. Will they be letting us search by first name only in the future does anyone know?
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(I haven't read all through this thread ...) ... but having worked out I need/would like to see about 20 pages, which at about £3 a page, is £60 ! Other searches may well occur to me ...
If I took out a subs to FindMyPast, would it cover the 1911, does anyone know ? I was wondering if it would work out cheaper ...
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Not yet. Lydart, but see my message reply #67
Gadget
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Paul Caswell wrote: I found a gg grandfather in the workhouse in Christchurch, Bournemouth. I thought he'd died sometime between 1881 and 1891!!
I've now traced him through 1891 and 1901 too. A brick wall down I never even knew I had. :)
Just to deviate off topic for a mo, we had an excellent lecture about the Christchurch Workhouse by members of our Archaeological Society who have done all sorts of research into it's history.
Linky removed due to dodginess >:( - they have a great website with loads of info which can be found by googling "Christchurch workhouse."
Fred
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No it says on FindMyPast that later in the year you can get a subscription that will include the 1911 but at the moment its just pay as you go
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Catching up on 1911 census - interesting thanks
Cas
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Just found all four Grandparents on the first search - no big surprises but nice to see my Gdad George Pettigrove in print as Pettigrove and not Frost. Also found my GGGDad Thomas Lee again- after no trace in 1901. Found one error with an age and that's on my first night. Will we be sharing
"leftovers" on the site?
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Hello. I did try to contact you before but am new to this. My Grand Mother (Paternal) was Druscilla Pettigrove daughter of Richard Pettigrove and sister of Patience, Mariah (Riah) etc. I think we may be related and wondered if you had more information that we have in common. I keep getting stuck, Have so far found that Mariah married Jacob Rossiter (Coco). Am I on the right lines? Thanks for any help.
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After much searching and bemusment as to why none of my rels could be found Discoverd Durham and North Yorkshire are not on yet ....booooo... :'(
....wonder how long I will have to wait..... ???
...should have checked this thread first... ;)
Vonni
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Hi Vonni
My family also lived on both banks of the Tees so I too am frustrated and green with envy for all the happy brick wall breakers. And I cannot resist the temptation to fritter away my beautiful credits on the OH's relatives down South.
Grrrrrr
Gobbo
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Hi Gobbo
My other half is from East Riding of Yorks - so no luck there for me - and none of them seem to have been on trips away either - and just when you need them to skip town as well ::)
:'(
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hi
my only rellies not in ireland at this time (1911) are in glamorgan
::)
berni
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Does anyone know how to find the Royal Household on the 1911 Census?
My grandmother worked for the Royal Family and she may be there as I have not been able to find her elsewhere on the census.
Her name was Mary Agnes Harrod born 1883 Guildford Surrey
Any help greatly appreciated.
Lilybell
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Saw it on another thread - indexed as King, George ::) ::) ::) ::)
Gadget ;D
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Thank you for your quick reply
I tried that but maybe I am doing something wrong got nothing. for my search.
Lilybell
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I got it by putting
king, george
as suggested in the surname box with nothing else filled in
Rosie
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His birth year was 1866 and first names King George, district .. St George .. ! :)
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I found both my grandparents aged 3 and 1 which pleased me.
But it seems rather expensive, the credits disappear far too quickly!! ;D
Jane.
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His birth year was 1866 and first names King George, district .. St George .. ! :)
And he's in an Institution ...... :D
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In 1911 my maternal grandparents were in Spain, and my paternal grandparents were in Scotland, so I won't be rushing to buy any credits!
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Oh wow! I've been dying for this census to be published. For years, it was assumed that my late Grandad and his brother and sister had another sister who died in childhood. Turns out that there were two more! So, what was a group of three siblings who were maybe four has now turned into six... How many more skeletons are out there?! :)
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No luck getting on for me - can't even ping the website.
Either crashed already or australia is locked out
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Me neither! :(
A couple of times it lets me get so far, then says access denied! I've bought credits, so I'm puzzled as well as fed up.
Stella.(in Australia too)
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I'm from Australia and have not had any trouble accessing site and downloading information. Am looking for one person in Kent but cannot find her. Most likely an error in transcribing and will have to try a number of alternatives with surname.
Good to read all the advice from fellow rootchatters on how to make best use of the site and tips re searching.
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Thanks to all
Could not find my grandmother with the Royal Household or anywhere else.
Found her brother Clifford and her Father Hatch but she is not with either of them.
Perhaps she is living/working at one of the locations not done yet. Sure would love to find her.
Any suggestions welcome.
Greetings from Calgary(we are having a Chinook)
Lilybell
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I too am in Australia but had no problems getting in to the site last night and again this morning. It is expensive though - but worth it. I found my father and discovered he had a sister two years older than him - but don't know what happened to her because she was never mentioned. I also found details of my father in laws foster parents. They were James and Mary Elizabeth Higham living in Woerth Street, Leeds - if anyone knows of any Higham families would be pleased to know if they still exist in Leeds. The only disappointment I had was not being able to find my father in laws parents. They were in Leeds in 1903 for the birth of my father in law, then seem to have disappeared. They are a complete mystery. Maureen
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alswilson
the leicestershire record office might have photo's of that area might be worth an email to see, i'll have a look in some leicester books i've got to see if theres any mention in them.
Cats Ears
Tried Google Images?
Thank you for your replies
yes i have tried goggle images nothing immediately stands out but then i dont know what i'm looking for exactly
re Liverpool Street, Mike on RC kindly looked up on his 1915 map and found the location and size of building obviously as this is a ma p it doesnt show frontage of bilding or the like but its something to go on for now.
i have refrained from purchasing more credits at present simply because i do not have the money to ... but ti won't be long!
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I think the corporate filter blocked it at work ???
Anyway its OK from home but I must say I am dissapointed the transcript doesnt seem to have the address or the piece number . Not good if you want to do a one place study etc - seems like I will have to wait for house search to do that !
One other thing - I may be cynical but the more they have transcription errors, the more likely people are to view the original - hardly an incentive for them to correct errors. And if you report an error you have already paid the extra ! - seems a bit unfair.
Otherwise its great to have a new resource
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I am dissapointed the transcript doesnt seem to have the address or the piece number
In fact it does, in a box a little further down the screen (didn't see it at first either :P) - easier to see if you click 'view for printing' :)
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Hi
It's probably not worth buying the transcript (10 credits) for somebody listed as in an institution: the list only shows
NAME
AGE
SEX
RELATIONSHIP (inmate, patient or whatever)
You do not get any place of birth information but this can be seen on the "original page" for a cost of 30 credits.
The Institution address may be missing from the "original page" and the name is missing from the transcript for at least one of the institutions I have stumbled across (All a bit annoying after I had effectively wasted 40 credits).
All the best
Gobbo
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So far I have only found two out of four grandparents and one of those is mistranscribed. The one I really wanted to find my grandmother Lily Roberts is one that doesnt come up (she was an orphan by then so I wanted to see who she was living with) and my grandfather William Hilton doesnt either (I want to check his brothers to see if there is an elusive Mark and Luke)
It gobbles credits to quick for my liking. I think most of mine I will be hanging on to until it comes on one of the subscription sites - I've lived this long without knowing so another year or so will not make much difference
Willow x
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I couldn't find my lovely grandmother at first and was very disappointed, but as I have time off work I tried different spellings and yes it was mistranscribed. Rimmer was tanscribed as Rummer as this has happened before I wasn't surprised, it is worth plugging away.
So far 3 of the 5 I have purchased have transcription errors, but they have been worth getting.
Sad to see how many children died, very moving.
Jacqui
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I still haven't found my grandma, but did find her parents with younger children. Decided to buy the full page to confirm the total number of children born. I thought there were about 13 and at least 2 deaths. Sadly, the page shows 10 born and 10 living and they are the ones listed. It doesn't always work!!
Lynne
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Hi
I have found many instances where children of my ancestors have died and whereas before I never knew about these so I will follow these up.
Ben
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The Institution address may be missing from the "original page"
The address was shown at the bottom of the page for my g.uncle who was in army barracks in Aldershot. I suppose that perhaps his name was on the last page of the census so if he'd been on an earlier page no address would show. Also in his case the transcription is not available, doubt it would show his signature though. Poor man was dead before the 1921 census, killed in WWI in1917 in France. Parents dead by the time he was 8, put in an orphanage until 14, joined the Army at 14, dead at 24.
Lizzie
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Just a thought.
Are any asylums included? Since they are not yet allowed to disclose the details in the last column ("lunatic, imbecile, feeble-minded" etc), have they held back any actual institutions of this type? Because it would be implicit that an inmate of such an institution .... you see where I'm going with this.
However there's no reason why details of officials and staff of such institutions can't be made available, is there?
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The asylum one of my g.uncles was in is listed, as is his name. The address is given at the bottom of the page and starts "County Lunatic Asylum". He is shown as a patient.
Lizzie
Modified.
ps. So if anyone thinks their ancestor was in an asylum in the Manchester area in 1911 and their surname starts with the letters Do to Mc, I might be able to help as I can still view the page I paid for, and in any case I printed it off.
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I bet I am the last one to find this out...................If you click (for example) on the DISTRICT title it sorts the things into A~Z, likewise with YEAR OF BIRTH etc.
Dumb old Hector............
Peter
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The asylum one of my g.uncles was in is listed, as is his name. The address is given at the bottom of the page and starts "County Lunatic Asylum". He is shown as a patient.
Thanks. That makes a bit of a nonsense of hiding the "sensitive details" elsewhere, doesn't it? ::)
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apologies if this has been covered but I can't work it out and don't want to waste credits trying, if I buy a transcript for 10 credits and decide to then buy the original page, is it still another 30 full credits, or just 20 to 'upgrade'?? Thanks.
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Hi Acorna,
That's 30 more credits I'm afraid :(
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The asylum one of my g.uncles was in is listed, as is his name. The address is given at the bottom of the page and starts "County Lunatic Asylum". He is shown as a patient.
Thanks. That makes a bit of a nonsense of hiding the "sensitive details" elsewhere, doesn't it? ::)
I've got the opposite of that. I know my great grandfather was blind because my Mum told be about it - he was involved in a fire at a forge or something like that. However, it's all blanked out and I won't be able to know 'officially' until 2012.
Gadget
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OK, thanks Tati.
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Hi
My ancestor George Clift was lame according to the 1891 and 1901 census. I have not yet viewed the 1911 returns but will do so soon. He was 71 by 1911 and in previous censi he was a bootmaker.
Ben
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I wonder if someone can help me with a fresh pair of eyes and maybe some county advice.
I was so excited about the release of the 1911 census as I would finally be able to find that ancestor that vanished from the 1901 census. But alas no. I know he lived way beyond 1911 so it's not a case of him dying between census.
Ther person I am looking for is Henry (William) Carpenter born 1870 in Stretham (Stretham seemed to be in London on 1870 census then was later listed as in Kent and then Surrey). I seem to be able to find anyone that could fit. Where was Stretham in 1911, was it part of London, Surrey or Kent?
I just need to narrow it down a bit more.
Any help gratefully received!
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There's a Streatham, is that the one you mean? try entering it as birthplace in the search details, leaving the county out, and see if that yields anything promising.
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I think I have managed to trace my Grandfather who was in the army in 1911. The military transcript shows he was based in this country (Horfield Barracks in Bristol), but I cannot confirm it is him as the original image is not available. The original would confirm his place of birth.
Any ideas when the image may be made available as I thought the whole of Gloucestershire was online?
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Of course DUH! I cannot believe a typo might be the reason I cannot find him. Maybe I should give it a rest for a while and have a cup of tea lol ::)
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Hi
The disability column is a very sensitive issue so we wont find out until 2012 whether Great Aunty Mary Ann was a certified nutter ;D :D :o
Ben
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That's why I'm surprised they've listed asylum patients. Surely they should have been blanked out for the same reason. ??? Inconsistent, innit.
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I swore that i would only spend 60 credits...then 80 year old dad called me to drop a hint that he'd loved to know where his father was in 1911......
bless, he was so pleased with the info.... grandfather died at 48......it is great to see their writing too...
it doesn't give parish details etc like the other census recs
does it ?
Debz
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Hi
The disability column is a very sensitive issue so we wont find out until 2012 whether Great Aunty Mary Ann was a certified nutter ;D :D :o
Ben
Is that how long we have to wait before we can get the other side of the page ( for which I am assured I have already paid with my thirty pieces of whatever) or is it just that in 2012, they will unblank that column?
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Does anyone know if institutions have been listed such as Holborn Workhouse, I cannot find the person who was definitely in the work house as at 1911 census date, he had an unusual name but is not there on any list
Louisa Maud
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..............it doesn't give parish details etc like the other census recs
does it ?
Debz
that is only temporary. Once the rush has died down a lot more information will be made available and this will apply to any extracts taht you have downloaded in the meantime. (There was a post about it either on here or the 1911 site yesterday). They will send emails when they increase the functionality so as long as you are down to receive emails you will be OK
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Hi
I was told that the disability column would be blanked until 2012 once 100 years is over.
Ben
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Does anyone know if institutions have been listed such as Holborn Workhouse, I cannot find the person who was definitely in the work house as at 1911 census date, he had an unusual name but is not there on any list
Louisa Maud
I don't know about Holborn but a person that I knew was in an institution (orphan working school London) from a postcard sent to her in 1912 was listed as being in an institution in 1911 although I didn't use my credits for her just yet to see if it was the same one.
Evie
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Hello, Louisa Maud,
When you call up the first list of the names you are interested in, look at the LH column, most are Households but here & there Institution shows, so they do show them. I did see a note somewhere that it is difficult for some Institutions due to the amount of patients or inmates. If it is an unusual name you are looking for, it may have been mistrasncribed or you may have to wait until later in the year when the Enumerator's schedules will be available.
Meliora
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Hi
I was told that the disability column would be blanked until 2012 once 100 years is over.
Ben
Yes that is correct.
However there is a lot of information not immediately accesible eg parish etc that will become so once the rush dies down
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Just discovered a little foible for those who have more than one PC.
I have a laptop and a desktop in separate rooms which naturally both have the same IP address. I forgot to log out from the 1911 site on the laptop before closing it down. When I went to log in on my desktop, it wouldn't let me - told me someone else was already logged in with that username - Yes, me!!!
Gadget
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Thank you all for your replies, I suppose it is possible due to the sensitive nature that we have to wait the full 100 years.
regards
Louisa Maud
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Not really relevant I know but H M King George is in an Institution ::) ::)
Rosie
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Just discovered a little foible for those who have more than one PC.
I have a laptop and a desktop in separate rooms which naturally both have the same IP address. I forgot to log out from the 1911 site on the laptop before closing it down. When I went to log in on my desktop, it wouldn't let me - told me someone else was already logged in with that username - Yes, me!!!
Gadget
I had the same problem yesterday because I think I had two browsers open ::)
Kerry
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1911 wont let you have 2 browsers on the go at one time. Ancestry however do which is handy if you want to search and view your tree at the same time.
Gary
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Hi Gary
That would explain it then! ;D I find it quite handy sometimes. Oh well!
Kerry
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Most sites do allow multiple log ins - including FindMyPast and Scotland's People - both Brightsolids. I've just checked - so why is 1911 so awkward ::)
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I guess it is to limit the amount of users at the moment while they are worried about overload, maybe eventually it will be enabled.
Kerry
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you dont have to be logged in - so one browser could be doing the searching etc, and t'other whatver needs an Id ?
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I discovered it by accident, Newf. I wanted to check 'My records' which needed me to be logged in :(
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The "sign out" doesn't seem to work for me. A friend was here yesterday and wanted to do a search and download, so we logged in his details on my PC. Afterwards I signed out and closed down. But when I went in today, it greeted me with his name!
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Hot off the BBC News web site..................
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7828215.stm
The release of the 1911 census has been immensely popular so far, says Elaine Collins, commercial director of findmypast.com. By midnight on Tuesday, there had been 3.4m searches and 17.4m page views.
How much per page view.............??
Peter
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thats 'server statistics' - not a count of paid for census pages !
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lot of hits even so. If only 50% are paid views still a lot of ££££
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dunno - 'pages' will be refering to every site 'page' that the server delivers .... like this page we are on now.... so not sure you can put a % to it - still well busy tho .... there used to be some site stats on here that were eye watering too ...
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lot of hits even so. If only 50% are paid views still a lot of ££££
I don't imagine it's anything like that. So far I've done dozens of searches and not paid a penny (but found out lots of info, thanks to the "others in household" fields. ;D) I'm sure there are plenty of casual surfers as well, just typing in names to see if they can find their grandparents, etc. who aren't doing serious research.
I'd be surprised if any more than 0.1% of page views are people using credits. ;)
Incidentally, surely these prices aren't going to remain so high? Maybe they will drop the number of credits required in a few months time when the initial rush dies down? I hope so, anyway...
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I have found a relative who was in an institution but nowhere on the page does it tell me what it was. Does anybody have any idea how I might find out?
Happy hunting!
Brigcs
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Do those statistics include the X amount of times I have tried to download an image that the help desk keep telling me is there and the problem is resolved, they can see it etc so I will be able to download it BUT I STILL CAN'T >:( >:(
I've given up now.
Kerry
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does anyone know if the 1911 census will be on ancestry ??
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The "sign out" doesn't seem to work for me. A friend was here yesterday and wanted to do a search and download, so we logged in his details on my PC. Afterwards I signed out and closed down. But when I went in today, it greeted me with his name!
Hi everyone ...
The above is what has happened to me ...... I wonder why it won't sign off/out?
deb
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Read the info on the site and various threads here and elsewhere.
It will be where it is for a few months? and then maybe on FindMyPast by subscription.
The CEO of Ancestry said just after the venture capitalists took over that he was "Not bothered by not having the 1911, most people know about those years anyway" or something very similar. You can read about this on the Ancestry message boards.
They will get it eventually - not sure when, however.
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seems like another money making scheme, so not going to be able to follow up all the families I am tracing!!! :'(
At least I can use the index search to find where (uncommon) surnames are hiding out and speculate relationships thru freebmd sites.
Not going to be as satisfying as seeing the actual page I know but funds just won't allow to view - I need to win the lottery then I can get all those outstanding certificates too!
::) :o ;)
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I cleared up a couple of mysteries yesterday, found my gg uncle Albert, turns out he was in the Navy not the army as my gran had insisted, and his brother Frederick, I know he'd married soemone called Florence and the name of his kids, including twin boys but have never pinned them down, found him in 1911 lodging with a Tomlin family in Greewich with a daughter caled Florence & lo and behold, twins fred & Walter turn up on the GRO with mothers maiden name of Tomlin closely followed by the girls.
I'm not going to be able to use it a lot at that price, only needed to get one image though.. but can glean a fair amount of information from the searches, I've located a few people that way and then jumped to directories/freebmd etc to get a bit more info. I can remember nearly bankrupting myself with the 1901, going to have to behave a bit more with this one!
Now I need Brecknockshire as my grandad Richard Allan Dean was born in Brecknock feb 1911, can't find his parents in 1901 or a marriage for them so have a whole branch missing hopefully this will help... if not I'm going to have a tantrum LOL
Jen :D
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If I dont do the lottery for 3 weeks, I'll save enough to download one page ... or should I still do the lottery and see if I win the big one, in which case everyone on RootsCHat can have a free page or two on me !
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Lydhart
Have you checked out this thread?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,353037.0.html
I've just tried it on a couple of families and have got a lot of new info, found a few children I didn't know about and can get down to which village they are in... I've just rooted out an extra Lucas in Stourpaine (Dorset) we were a bit stuck before cos we knew the father and mother had moved Blandford way but not which village.
Jen
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To my surprise I got on it with no problems last night (granted it was nearly midnight!). I bought my 60 credits and used 20 to look up my parents. No surprises there, except my grandfather wasn't with his family. Stupidly, I didn't follow that up but went looking for people in other trees I've researched. For two of my friends it was a non-starter; Sunderland and Hull aren't on there yet. But I used another 30 credits to look up another friends grandparents. Tonight I've just gone back to use my last 10 credits to find my grandfather Herbert. And there he is - but where? He's a patient, presumably in hospital, but this is the last of 3 pages and it doesn't tell you what the institution is. I'd have to spend another £6.95 to find that out.
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lot of hits even so. If only 50% are paid views still a lot of ££££
So far I've done dozens of searches and not paid a penny (but found out lots of info, thanks to the "others in household" fields. ;D)
How can you search for "others in the household"? I've not found any way to do this other than paying, and even then, it may be the wrong family.
The "search address" function does not seem to be much use either since it is not possible to enter a house number.
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Suttontrust, I turned up an institution for one of my searches which had no address on it but when I clicked the next page it was the next building, so I went back and obtained the transcription instead which is cheaper anyway and that had the address on it. I hope that helps someone.
Daff
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I've seen quite a few questions this evening that may benefit from the technique I posted here:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,353037.msg2310652.html#msg2310652
It describes a way of tracking down the census reference of the person you've found. From that you can easily discover quite a lot, including sometimes a better idea where, other household members, neighbors etc.
Paul
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I've found the the transcriptions to be rather poor compared with Ancestry, ie plenty of errors. If typical this is going to make searching more difficult. I paid to check original returns but it got pricey. 1901 and earlier census returns sometimes helped.
Does anybody else feel that the transcription rate is higher than for Ancestry?
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Daff,
You helped me!
Thanks ;D
Brig
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I don't know if its higher than ancestry but they are falling into the trap of transcribing abbreviation marks as surnames. 8 of mine who had Do (for ditto) in the surname field have been transcribed with the surname D along with nearly 3000 others.
I've reported the error on my 8 and asked them to change it - someone else can do the other 3000
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Does anybody else feel that the transcription rate is higher than for Ancestry?
I haven't seen enough to say, but I've certainly seen a few. Some are genuinely poor transcriptions, others are faithful reproductions of what has been misspelt on the original.
For the latter, I know the rule is "transcribe what you see", but in cases of obvious misspelling, eg where someone has misspelt Thomas as Tomas, I do feel that they should index both versions.
I didn't get the original image, so can't say if my relative really wrote his name as Stphen .....
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I don't know if its higher than ancestry but they are falling into the trap of transcribing abbreviation marks as surnames. 8 of mine who had Do (for ditto) in the surname field have been transcribed with the surname D along with nearly 3000 others.
I've reported the error on my 8 and asked them to change it - someone else can do the other 3000
They should have asked Rootschatters to do the work, we wouldn't be making that mistake! ;D
I have just spent a happy half hour in and around Brightlingsea, where there are dozens of my extended family, still living. How I wish this was on Ancestry and I'd know all about all of them by now. As it is, all I've been able to do is exclaim "Ooh, look, he's still alive!" or similar and add "After 1911" to the date of death column in my tree. ::)
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if you purchase credit and view a transcription rather than the actual image, do you still get to know the address they were living at??
??? :-\
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I just found a GEROGE STOCKLEY??
Honestly, if we find this many in such a short time I am wondering if we've got someone more worth pillorying than Ancestry. ::)
Paul
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Does anyone know when they will be sorting out the 1911 census wildcard search. It still isnt working, despite me making them aware when the beta site was available. I have some difficult names, so it is impossible to find them without.
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I must share this transcription howler
Enid Myfanwy Williams is transcribed as
Enid MYFANNY Williams
Bob
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Plimmerian, Yes it is in a box on the left hand side at the bottom!
Kooky
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I just found a GEROGE STOCKLEY??
That's what I meant in my previous post - if that's a misspelling in the original and they've deliberately reproduced it, it's doing no one any favours.
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fieryfemale
To ensure as many people as possible can search, initially some of the features are turned off, as was the case with the beta trial.
Explanation given here
http://www.1911census.co.uk/content/default.aspx?r=24&104
Susan
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Absolutely Cats Eyes, I am beginning to think there has been even less care taken with this one. ::)
Paul
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fieryfemale
To ensure as many people as possible can search, initially some of the features are turned off, as was the case with the beta trial.
Explanation given here
http://www.1911census.co.uk/content/default.aspx?r=24&104
Susan
ahhh that explains it, will have to wait till they turn all features on then.
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just tried searching for Ada STAIT (born 1906 Ormskirk area)
and various spellings and have drawn a blank!
No father Joshua STAIT (d. 1921) or mother Annie STAIT (d. c1940s)
I'm worried now!
Wish we could search on a first name with a year of birth and location!
:o :'(
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How can you search for "others in the household"? I've not found any way to do this other than paying, and even then, it may be the wrong family.
The "search address" function does not seem to be much use either since it is not possible to enter a house number.
To correct myself, you can search for others in the household, as long as they have the same surname. Here's how you do it, with one of my examples:
1. I know I am looking for Albert Garrard, born 1888, and last seen living in North London in 1901. I find two born within 2 years of 1888; one in Lambeth and one in Shoreditch. I'm not sure which one is mine - so let's guess it's the Shoreditch one.
2. Search again, but type in "Shoreditch" in the "Residential Place" and remove the year of birth search criteria. Make sure only one name comes back - in which case he is the only Albert Garrard in Shoreditch.
3. Remove "Albert" from the Personal Details first names, and add "Albert" to First names in "Other members of the household". You will then see everyone else in that household with the surname Garrard.
4. This is the right one! I recognise most of the names from 1901. I discover that two more siblings have been born since then.
It might be the case that Step 2 brings back more than one match. In which case, if you know someone else who would be in the household (a sibling, a parent, etc.) add them to the "Other members in household" until you get only one match with no year criteria, then eventually add both names to the "Other members of the household" forenames to find everyone else who is there.
Using this technique, I've managed to find all the other people in the household with the same surname in every case. When they remove the mandatory restriction on surname later in the year (as they have said they will) then we'll be able to search for other people in the household.
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I'm having the same trouble. Frances Sarah Sutton is there somewhere, I've tried everything I can think of, but no sign of her. Typical, of all my direct ancestors, she is the one I really wanted & the only one I can't find >:(
Betty
just tried searching for Ada STAIT (born 1906 Ormskirk area)
and various spellings and have drawn a blank!
No father Joshua STAIT (d. 1921) or mother Annie STAIT (d. c1940s)
I'm worried now!
Wish we could search on a first name with a year of birth and location!
:o :'(
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It looks like FreeBMD had the busiest day in their history yesterday, as people cross-checked BMD registrations with newly-found relatives on the 1911 census!
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/UsageInfo.html
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Hi
I can remember when the 1901 census was released and the whole system crashed due to overload.
Ben
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It looks like FreeBMD had the busiest day in their history yesterday, as people cross-checked BMD registrations with newly-found relatives on the 1911 census!
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/UsageInfo.html
Think An*try did as well by the problems some of us have had with it. I was trying to check my Leah cousins and it took ages to find anything on that or Free BMD.
Ironically 1911 was faster than FindMyPast or any of the others ::) ::) ::)
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http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/UsageInfo.html
Have to admit I had no idea those statistics existed until just now .. ? :D
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just tried searching for Ada STAIT (born 1906 Ormskirk area)
and various spellings and have drawn a blank!
No father Joshua STAIT (d. 1921) or mother Annie STAIT (d. c1940s)
I'm worried now!
Wish we could search on a first name with a year of birth and location!
:o :'(
i also had a slight problem like yours last night when searching for my wifes relations,
her family is also ormskirk, but i tried lancashire and it found them ok, (funny enough when i found them they WERE IN ORMSKIRK?) having said that i just tried the Staits you mention and also couldnt find them, MAYBE they didnt return a form? maybe in another area for the census? or hopefully for you its not been added YET,
as Darren S states follow his instructions for searches that you know a few that should be in the house,
or leave the area out just start with a surname, then add a year of birth, and then add a christian name of anyone you know thats there, as ive mentioned before i have been chuffed with info i have found, but 16 million records i think some errors are to be expected, hopefully it won't hold to may people up
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apology double post
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Wow!
I was sent a copy of the original by a relative and it showed what I was hoping for - that my grandad wasn't living at home with the family.
But digging deeper, my eldest aunt wasn't there either so I followed her up and found her with HER grandad, his wife of six years and a half sister to my grandmother.
The half sister, Eva, is someone that I vaguely remember as a child and now it all fits into place.
Still not sure about my grandad though, will have to do some more digging.
I agree the 60 credits go nowhere. I have 20 left so can look at 2 more transcripts.
All in all, I think, for me, it was a resounding success.
Hope others are having the same sort of luck!
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Well, I've seen it all now ::) ::) ::)
A relative of mine, Billy Meredith, one of the football legends of the early era has been transcribed as a 'Professional Foatloller' b. Derbyshire Chisk P. (Denbighshire, Chirk) and my Uncle Jack Mates (John) was living with him as a boarder - i wondered why he wasn't at home with his family :)
I think this calls for an error report
Gadget
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I just followed Darren's instructions for finding "others in household" and it worked a treat...very clever. Thanks for that...I'm just off to try another family now ;D ;D ;D ;D
Milly
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Well, I've seen it all now ::) ::) ::)
A relative of mine, Billy Meredith, one of the football legends of the early era has been transcribed as a 'Professional Foatloller' b. Derbyshire Chisk P. (Denbighshire, Chirk) and my Uncle Jack Mates (John) was living with him as a boarder - i wondered why he wasn't at home with his family :)
I think this calls for an error report
Gadget
Maybe he was a foatloller in his spare time ? ;) ;D
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[Yes, same thing happened to me too. Is there any way we could donate unwanted images anywhere, or would that be naughty?
Evie
What are the rules concerning this please?
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I did post the following earlier but I think it may have been overlooked due to the volume of posts on here. Does anyone have an answer?
I think I have managed to trace my Grandfather who was in the army in 1911. The military transcript shows he was based in this country (Horfield Barracks in Bristol), but I cannot confirm it is him as the original image is not available. The original would confirm his place of birth.
Any ideas when the image may be made available as I thought the whole of Gloucestershire was online?
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3. Remove "Albert" from the Personal Details first names, and add "Albert" to First names in "Other members of the household". You will then see everyone else in that household with the surname Garrard.
Cheers, simple and effective !
Given the seemingly high rate of mistrans found by this small sample of the search population, I feel even more strongly about FindMyPast's (Beta) rules and ongoing charge rates ....
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It's amazing how much you can find out by adding and removing search terms though. I've just found out as much about a certain family as I would get from the transcript (apart from unrelated household members and the exact addresses, which aren't important to me in this case).
Using 1891 & 1901 census details as a guide, plus FreeBMD to check for deaths/marriages, I have found one son still in the same place as a boarder, other son working as a footman in London, and father & daughter moved to somewhere in between.
You can put head, daughter, servant, boarder etc in the relationship field, as well as widow, single etc in the keyword field to confirm marital status, and have a guess at occupation.
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To correct myself, you can search for others in the household, as long as they have the same surname. Here's how you do it, with one of my examples:
I've got the idea now..............BUT on searching for Henry CORBEN who was alive in 1911 the right one failed to appear at all. Simply searching for CORBEN and the place of birth found him indexed as "HERNY" !
By inputting HERNY I was then able to find his wife Jane........but then I knew that anyway!
The indexes do not appear to include place of birth...........or am I missing something?
David
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The indexes do not appear to include place of birth...........or am I missing something?
You mean the search results? No, but you can enter a place of birth in the advanced search if you have an idea what it might be. Be flexible - it took me ages to find someone I knew to have been born in Sheerness. She just wouldn't come up! Turned out she had put "Sheppey, Kent". Mind you, if I'd just put Kent in I would have found her earlier.
They ought to include the birthplace in search results, though. It would actually relieve pressure on the site as we wouldn't all be spending so much time on trial and error. >:(
You'd think after going to the trouble of running the test, they would have spent a bit more time and thought on the feedback instead of rushing the thing out so fast.
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just searched for Robert H Smith in Toxteth Park and also found a:
Myfanny Robert Smith female aged 9 in Toxteth Park!
:-[
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plimmerian
This isn't so unusual, I know a family where the Gt grandfather insisted all children had his Christian name including the females, and it has been carried out on all births since, yes even the females still
LM
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[Yes, same thing happened to me too. Is there any way we could donate unwanted images anywhere, or would that be naughty?
Evie
What are the rules concerning this please?
At the moment, the RootsChat Copyright team are discussing the whole subject of the 1911 census. The terms and conditions of the 1911 site state that the downloaded images are for your personal use. Generally speaking an unwanted image will only contain 1 household, unlike previous enumerator schedules.
May we take this opportunity to remind you that as with other census images and transcriptions, we DO NOT allow either to be posted on RootsChat.
RootsChat Moderating Team
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just searched for Robert H Smith in Toxteth Park and also found a:
Myfanny Robert Smith female aged 9 in Toxteth Park!
:-[
I think you can stop being embarrassed. It will be Myfanwy surely :D
Gadget
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just searched for Robert H Smith in Toxteth Park and also found a:
Myfanny Robert Smith female aged 9 in Toxteth Park!
:-[
I think you can stop being embarrassed. It will be Myfanwy surely :D
Gadget
But it says a lot about the skills, or lack thereof, of the transcriber, don't you think? ::)
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Quite a lot, Jen. did you see my foatloller of last night ::) ::) ::)
There seem to be a considerable number of transcriber errors highlighted on this thread and the previous Beta one.
the error reporting is a nuisance as well. i had to submit 3 error reports for one household transcription (one for each person who was wrongly transcribed) rather than one. More work for those of us who have already paid!
Gadget
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hi any one know when the 1911 is coming out on A******y,do we have to wait until 2011?
Steve
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My grandfather is listed as a boarder in a house in Birkenhead. His cousin is also listed as a boarder on the same page. There are just the two of them on the page. I recognized the address as the same one where my grandmother was living, so I searched her name and obtained a transcript with the identical reference number and address but she is listed on her own with the occupation Boarding House Keeper. None of this comes as a surprise as the history was known from family and they married in 1912, but why would there have been two separate schedules made out for the same address? Is this typical for the 1911 census?
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Well, that's bit of a swizz, but may explain why one of my rellies appears as the only person in the household. She too is described as a boarding house keeper. I thought it was odd that there were no boarders. However, I've no chance of finding them (if there are any) until they allow searching without a surname. >:(
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Now that I think of it, in previous censuses families boarding in someone's house were classed as separate households, weren't they, as long as they occupied separate rooms? You can get two "heads" in the same house, and there's a pen stroke dividing the "households" on the enumerator's sheet.
But charging more than once for the same address is just plain unfair, if it isn't an institution running to several pages.
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Quite a lot, Jen. did you see my foatloller of last night ::) ::) ::)
There seem to be a considerable number of transcriber errors highlighted on this thread and the previous Beta one.
the error reporting is a nuisance as well. i had to submit 3 error reports for one household transcription (one for each person who was wrongly transcribed) rather than one. More work for those of us who have already paid!
Gadget
I did indeed see it. I felt it wouldn't have looked out of place on the index of old occupations but couldn't quite come up with a definition for it. ;D ;D
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I take it the 1911 will eventually be free to view at libraries like the others?
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But charging more than once for the same address is just plain unfair, if it isn't an institution running to several pages.
Cats Ears
I'm beginning to think there is quite a bit unfair about this census and the manner in which it is being sold/presented ;) Are there going to be enumerator's pages available later or were they destroyed? The handwriting on the two pages I have downloaded so far look suspiciously like they were written by the same person, so probably done by the enumerator and not my relatives even though they were both literate. It's also going to cost a fortune to look for any related households in the same area. ::)
H
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Newton-le-Willows, Lancs
maybe found as:
Newtonle Willow, Lance
Richard as Ritchard
Ethel as Eathel
Florrie as Florie
Annie as Aniey
Selina as Selnia
Simm as Timms
ironically for the first time ever all my "Plimmer" lot were spelt correctly!
8) ;)
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The terms and conditions of the 1911 site state that the downloaded images are for your personal use.
May we take this opportunity to remind you that as with other census images and transcriptions, we DO NOT allow either to be posted on RootsChat.
RootsChat Moderating Team
Fair enough, thank you for your reply.
Evie
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Further to my earlier post about an ancestor Henry Corben being indexed as HERNY, I did a search for hypothetical Herny Smith and Herny Brown.
There are 23 such Smiths and 8 Browns.
While one can understand that the minims in handwriting can cause confusion between "r" and "n" these transcription errors must sadly indicate that as with the 1901 census, there is a basic lack of knowledge of UK names and geography.
Unless of course they really ARE called Herny..................
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Hi all
any suggestions for alternative spellings to this one "FERNYHOUGH", she was born in 1902, first name Muriel.
Any help greatfully received.
Peter
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The ones that come to my mind are Firny for the first part and how for the second part :-\
Mind you judging by some transcriptions I have seen in the past you might even want to try Phernyhough!! Then you need to think about the way the F is written and what could it be mistaken for a T perhaps, a P??
Kerry
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Cheers Kerry
I will give that a bash and see what happens. My poor old brain is getting a bit fried :o
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Know the feeling Peter, I think I'm all 1911ed out! Need to do something different ;D
Kerry
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I did this earlier -
"Hi Cant find Muriel FERNYHOUGH 1902 - Macclesfield 3Q 8a 206 on the 1901 census, any suggestions re alternate (mistranscibed) surnames?"
Spot the Error (if you can?)
Peter
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Ive just spent an enjoyable time looking at the census. I got the images for my directs and I did recognise the writing as being my 2 grandfathers and I think the 2 ggrandfathers are genuine.
I paid up yesterday and had trouble getting into search today but once that was done I was amazed how quick it was. Still got 3 missing names so will try variations tomorrow.I had trouble finding my grandma Hepzibah but when I eventually found it I could see why my granfathers writing had been mistranscribed.
I dont seem to have so many to look up on this census as I did on the 1901.
Ringrose
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I did this earlier -
"Hi Cant find Muriel FERNYHOUGH 1902 - Macclesfield 3Q 8a 206 on the 1901 census, any suggestions re alternate (mistranscibed) surnames?"
Spot the Error (if you can?)
Peter
Bottom of the class for spelling, Peter! ;)
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hi any one know when the 1911 is coming out on A******y,do we have to wait until 2011?
Steve
Will it be on Ancestry at all ??
This reply on another topic doesn't mention Ancestry, but it does explain a fundamental difference in the format of the data available.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,353052.msg2313588.html#msg2313588
Bob
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Any other companies wishing to host the 1911 census on their sites will have to purchase the digitised photos, and then do their own transcriptions and indexing.
It's very unlikely that the National Archives will allow others access to the original documents, so companies will have to negotiate with Brightsolid for pricing.
assume you are referring to the fact that the 1911 was the last one on paper - Nat Archives hadnt filmed it ?
The points quoted above are just an opinion. So I'd say that the jury is still out - Ancestry have recently commented that their current focus is on older data - possibly an element of sour grapes, but doesnt preclude them adding the 1911 at some future date.
IMHO
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genjen
as I said the poor old brain type devise is Fried somewhat so the spooling mistooks will come fick and thast.
:D
Peert
Think I need a BEER......................
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genjen
as I said the poor old brain type devise is Fried somewhat so the spooling mistooks will come fick and thast.
:D
Peert
Think I need a BEER......................
Or maybe a nice chilled wine. I know the feeling, Peter.
I am now having to decide which certificates are the most important, in order to find out what on earth my 1911 findings mean!
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I expect this question has already been asked BUT why doesn't the transcription contain all the information from the census entry?
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... because they want you to spend 30 more credits? :P
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There must be loads of other sites with this kind of discusion going on, i wonder (but doubt) if anyone from FindMyPast has even bothered to get a feel for customer reactions and comments.
*Peter uses spellcheck* ;D
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hi any one know when the 1911 is coming out on A******y,do we have to wait until 2011?
Steve
Will it be on Ancestry at all ??
This reply on another topic doesn't mention Ancestry, but it does explain a fundamental difference in the format of the data available.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,353052.msg2313588.html#msg2313588
Bob
thanks Bob,i thought there would a question somewhere about,just couldn't find it.
cheers
Steve
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"Hi Cant find Muriel FERNYHOUGH 1902 - Macclesfield 3Q 8a 206 on the 1901 census, Spot the Error (if you can?)
Bottom of the class for spelling, Peter! ;)
I would imagine that exact spelling was the last thing on her parents mind in 1901 ....... as she wasnt born till 1902 she was, as they say, no more than a twinkle in her dad's eye!
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There must be loads of other sites with this kind of discusion going on, i wonder (but doubt) if anyone from FindMyPast has even bothered to get a feel for customer reactions and comments.
*Peter uses spellcheck* ;D
Are they going to be bothered if we all keep spending our money anyway?
But it is such a shame that we won't be able to browse this one in the way that I for one have done with the others, through An****ry. And it certainly puts the mockers on any of us trying to help someone else with their research. I can't afford to do my own look-ups, let alone anyone elses. :(
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... because they want you to spend 30 more credits? :P
I've been enjoying looking at the 1901 for our families. I downloaded as many images as I could for my money and had 10 credits left - just enough for a 'transcription', I thought. I was really disappointed that it was only a partial transcription. >:(
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Bought credits.................. found a few................ but Grandfather Alfred Godbehere in West Riding Yorkshire still eludes me....blast him. One annoying thing about the site though..it says you can use a wildcard* and the description says use it at the beginning as sometimes Capital letters are transcribed wrongly.....It won't let you do that....throws up a box saying you can't use wildcards at the beginning......beginning to think it may be the Irish Census.....lol (apologies to our Irish rootschatters)
jan
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Me too Bearkat - I'm sure the majority of us had surprises especially with the children born alive / children dead columns. 10 credits is more than what they charge for 3 images of the other censuses after all >:(
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Bought credits.................. found a few................ but Grandfather Alfred Godbehere in West Riding Yorkshire still eludes me....blast him. One annoying thing about the site though..it says you can use a wildcard* and the description says use it at the beginning as sometimes Capital letters are transcribed wrongly.....It won't let you do that....throws up a box saying you can't use wildcards at the beginning......beginning to think it may be the Irish Census.....lol (apologies to our Irish rootschatters)
jan
Some features are disabled at present, explanation given here
http://www.1911census.co.uk/content/default.aspx?r=24&104
Susan :)
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I did post the following earlier but I think it may have been overlooked due to the volume of posts on here. Does anyone have an answer?
I think I have managed to trace my Grandfather who was in the army in 1911. The military transcript shows he was based in this country (Horfield Barracks in Bristol), but I cannot confirm it is him as the original image is not available. The original would confirm his place of birth.
Any ideas when the image may be made available as I thought the whole of Gloucestershire was online?
I had the same problem while they were doing the beta. You get all the way through to the image but instead you get a little note telling you its not there.
I reported the problem but the image was for a relative for a christmas present so I don't want it now so I cant check if they fixed it.
Have you reported the problem? I seem to remember a reasonably easy way to do it.
Paul
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Despite the lack of search facilities, ability to see neighbours, cost and every other moan and groan isn't it great that the site hasn't exploded like the site when the 1901 was released. That's a real positive. ;D
Kerry
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I agree Kerry :)
I really expected the whole thing to grind to a halt like the 1901.
I have managed to find a lot of my direct ancestors and the index search is sufficient to group together the families of siblings without paying for downloads.
Overall I am quite happy!
Barbara
PS just wish the institution info was a bit clearer
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I was doing so well, finding lots of ancestors on the 1911 site. Well, that was until Mrs Thudnut came home from work early and found out how much I had spent :o
It didn't help that I started giggling like an idiot! (Happy that I had found so many).
When, oh when, will I learn........
Thudders ;D
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I'm getting bored with the 1911 now :o
I've got everyone except two - waiting for the other counties - unless I go for 3rd cousins(1-n removed). I've not had many problems at all with the searches, apart from some daft transcription errors in the details. I've spent about £75 and that's it really.
I think that it might be an age/generation thing - I knew of them all before - a few extra births and some extra (dead) births but that's it. I did all the hard work over the last 10 years (and bits from when I was 8-12)
Now I'm checking up on the BMDs for bringing them forward. It would also be nice to do some neighbourhood investigations.
What I'd like are some of those early Scottish burial/Kirk sessions to come online and some more early Welsh ones.
Gadget
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I looked up something I'd been puzzling over for ages and found exactly what I wanted. fantastic.
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1911 says Great granny had 12 children ... I've only ever located ten of them ... any ideas how I might find the other 2 ??
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A transcription that I looked at first had only two members of the household present, leaving a baffling puzzle. However, the original image that I then paid for had two more people in the household (including the husband!) and cleared up what would have been an impossible mystery. Phew!
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If you click on neighbours do you lose credits.I was tempted but thought |Id be giving money away.
Ringrose
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A transcription that I looked at first had only two members of the household present, leaving a baffling puzzle. However, the original image that I then paid for had two more people in the household (including the husband!) and cleared up what would have been an impossible mystery.
A matter for complaint, I'd say. Ask for a refund !
If you click on neighbours do you lose credits.
Yes, you would be charged. If you go into "My Account", you can tick a box "Warn me before each use of credits".
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1911 says Great granny had 12 children ... I've only ever located ten of them ... any ideas how I might find the other 2 ??
Lydart my great great had 13 and 5 died, now I only know about 8 and I don't know how many of them lived or died. So I am going through the birth registrations for that surname in that registration area and comparing with deaths in the same time frame ie they married 1885 and must have stopped having children due to age by about 1907. Apart from getting to Surrey to look at baptism records this is the only way I can think of.
If you come up with a quicker idea let me know ::) :)
Kerry
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If only they had had a rare name ... ::)
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Could some have been twins where only one survived? I suspect that might be the case with one of my families.
(Just in case you are only looking at dates in between known births)
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Things I don't like about the site:
- when you hit the back button all your names have disappeared and you have to re-enter it all - a pain when sometimes you just want to change one letter.
- as others have mentioned - the wildcard search doesn't work - an asterisk mid-name reads as a space and obviously gives no results.
- year of birth is only +/- 1 or two years.
- when you click on back button - get the message "webpage has expired" so you have to refresh and info has to be resent, then sometimes all info has to be re-entered.
My "back button problems" don't seem consistent (eg sometimes you need to re-enter info, sometimes not) - maybe I'm doing something wrong. I also realise some features are disabled at the moment.
- but mainly I don't like the way I can't find my OH's grandmother. ;D
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- when you hit the back button all your names have disappeared and you have to re-enter it all - a pain when sometimes you just want to change one letter.
If you click on Search Again (green button, near top left) you should find that the info you typed in is still there.
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1911 says Great granny had 12 children ... I've only ever located ten of them ... any ideas how I might find the other 2 ??
Lydart my great great had 13 and 5 died, now I only know about 8 and I don't know how many of them lived or died. So I am going through the birth registrations for that surname in that registration area and comparing with deaths in the same time frame ie they married 1885 and must have stopped having children due to age by about 1907. Apart from getting to Surrey to look at baptism records this is the only way I can think of.
If you come up with a quicker idea let me know ::) :)
Kerry
My mother always understood that her father was one of eleven children.
A few years ago we discovered that there was a twelfth child who died shortly after birth - she was actually his parents first child.
Courtesy of the 1911 Census we have now discovered that there were two other children who died in infancy as well, so my grandfather was one of fourteen children!
We've searched on FreeBMD and think we have identified the two mystery children. More certificates to order!
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Things I don't like about the site:
- as others have mentioned - the wildcard search doesn't work - an asterisk mid-name reads as a space and obviously gives no results.
- year of birth is only +/- 1 or two years.
Haven't they said that these restrictions are only temporary? They deliberately restricted the search to make sure the site could cope on launch, and plan to introduce these as soon as the demand abates a bit. Think I read this on the site or in an email.
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I was hoping that address information would be more specific than thr 1901 for my adopted village.
I took a sample of about 40 houses (half the village) This is only the case in a few addresses. But I think I read that enumerators notes (which will be released later - free with images you have already 'bought') will show the head of each houshold, address and a description of the route the enumerator took. Hopefully you can pinpoint actual houses from that. Looking forward to that happening.
Another thing I read was the average number of children per household is 2.8 so family sizes are way down on mid 1800s. I suspected birth control was already entrenched in 1900 onwards (from BMD searches) - meaning census are not as rich as previously - in fact in many cases a strategic birth certificate might offer more information fro the money. - if you are payng per view
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Ruskie/Tewin
I posted this on page 17 :-
Some features are disabled at present, explanation given here
http://www.1911census.co.uk/content/default.aspx?r=24&104
Susan :)
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I was hoping that address information would be more specific than thr 1901 for my adopted village.
I took a sample of about 40 houses (half the village) This is only the case in a few addresses. But I think I read that enumerators notes (which will be released later - free with images you have already 'bought') will show the head of each houshold, address and a description of the route the enumerator took. Hopefully you can pinpoint actual houses from that.
If it's anything like our village, it may be that many dwellings simply didn't have names or numbers. Many of our old cottages were demolished decades ago, and others knocked together to make larger houses.
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So disappointed becuse all that escapes is Gran Annie Leay ALDRIDGE - found possible parents, a perfect match - her age is wrong and maybe transcribed as Irene and the siblings are different to 1901; very confused!!! (nb: His occupation transcribed as carter cool - guess it should be carter coal, worries me how accurate the transcription really is)
Also great Nan Ellen NAYLOR not at home with other family members and none in the correct area - she could be anywhere!!!
:o ::) :-\
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Here's an amusing bit of carelessness, found by accident:
Last names: BART M V O A D C
First names: SIR ROBERT K ARBUTHNOT
(My apologies to Mr. Bartmvoadc's descendants in case he actually existed)
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iv been doing some searching on it and found all my rels so far. i havnt paid for anything yet and wont until it becomes a subscription site.
its fairly easy to find who's in the household without paying as long as they have the same surname.
i did find my gg grandmother was from from ireland even though on all the other census she has said hull.
perth :) :)
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Thanks Dave - I still think the "back" button should work. "Search again" implies "new search" (well, it could do).
Thanks Susan - I've had a look at the link ;D) which explains some of my gripes. I understand the reasons but I don't like it - now, it would be a different matter if the cost of credits was reduced to compensate for only some of the features being enabled .... ;D
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Here's an amusing bit of carelessness, found by accident:
Last names: BART M V O A D C
First names: SIR ROBERT K ARBUTHNOT
(My apologies to Mr. Bartmvoadc's descendants in case he actually existed)
A bit of poor transcribing. BART is an abbreviation of Baronet
Here he is...........
Sir Robert Keith Arbuthnot, 4th Bt of Edinburgh, KCB, MVO. Born Alderminster, Worcester 23 March 1864. Rear Admiral. Killed at the Battle of Jutland 31 May 1916 in command of HMS Defence. There is a plaque in his memory in Glasgow. Boxing champion. An enthusiastic member of the Motor Cycling Club; an annual rally in the Isle of Man and a TT trophy for service members are named after him. ADC to HM George V 1911-12. There is a hamlet and post office named after him in Saskatchewan. Married, 11 December 1897, Lina MacLeay (born 11 August 1868; died 29 May 1935), daughter of Colonel Alexander Caldcleugh MacLeay, CB.
Here's the write up of the action at Jutland
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9A07E1DB173BE633A25754C0A9619C946796D6CF
Alan NZ
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I did post the following earlier but I think it may have been overlooked due to the volume of posts on here. Does anyone have an answer?
I think I have managed to trace my Grandfather who was in the army in 1911. The military transcript shows he was based in this country (Horfield Barracks in Bristol), but I cannot confirm it is him as the original image is not available. The original would confirm his place of birth.
Any ideas when the image may be made available as I thought the whole of Gloucestershire was online?
Can anyone help? I would be very grateful.
Whilst writing I am also trying to locate Ethel May Davis born in 1903 in Kingswood, Gloucestershire. Parents: Wallace Henry Tom Davis and Florence Ida Davis. Ethel married in 1925 where her father is shown as Henry Wallis Tom davis. In 1925 she was still living in the same area of Kingswood, so I have no readon to believe she wasn't there in 1911.
I'm running out of ideas :-\
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Hi CB,
There's a Wallice H T Davis in Keynsham Somerset, born Kingswood. Other people in the household:
Coreem M C age 10; Florence T age 34 ; Hilda W age 6; Maud A age 3; May E age 8; Reginald W age 9
:)
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Tati
You are a STAR! ;D
You may well have found her. All I need now is the original page, which is not yet available, for my grandfather & I will have found all my grandparents.
Many, many thanks.
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Morning All
has anyone tripped over an Ethel Gladys Baillie, born 1890 Twickenham. I can find her younger sister Gladys (13) still living with 63 year old Robert Baillie (Father) in Twickenham. He on 02 April 1911 was living at 57 Holly Road. Ethel Gladys Baillie on the 17 April 1911 (when she married) was living at 67 Albert Cottages (no road given). Would love to find her 15 days before she married my Grandfather - Frederick Jesse Coster Mills ( I have found him OK).
Cheers
Peter
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just tried searching for Ada STAIT (born 1906 Ormskirk area)
and various spellings and have drawn a blank!
No father Joshua STAIT (d. 1921) or mother Annie STAIT (d. c1940s)
I'm worried now!
Wish we could search on a first name with a year of birth and location!
:o :'(
Try Joshua START with wife Annie, and Bertha, Enock and Ada all at Omskirk.
It is possible to search on a first name only (or even with no first name) if you enter (,) in the surname field. Put in all three characters - a comma inside brackets.
I found the tip on another message board and it works for me!
:)
Koromo
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Yes, that DOES work - thanks for sharing Koromo! That is an absolute boon!
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Koromo you are a star! ;D Put (,) for surname and grandfather's first name, year of birth and place and found him!!! Transcribed totally wrong (lol) instead of Godbehere...................Godbekers !!!!!! Grandma is there also, her surname should be Burt but census has her down as single, servant, housekeeper with the surname Godbekers also :o. I know they lived together but Grandad could have told a lie and said she was his wife (she would have been 7 months preggers at the time with my Dad's sister! (lol)
Jan
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Hi
Quite predictably my elusive gt gt uncle Archibald Douglas b 1844 Egham Surrey is not appearing on the 1911 census
After terrific efforts he was found in 1891 as Douglas Archibald
In 1901 I never found him, though I know he was living in Mortlake in 1898.
I must have viewed numerous pages trying to find him, god knows what that would cost on the 1911
He lived until 1924, and there is a photo of him with my aunt who is still alive, b 1918 when she was about 2
Bob
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Hi
The (,) is fun but unfortunately I have still not found my missing person. And even worse have been thrown off because the site is very busy
. They suggest that I read the blog whilst waiting.
Grrrrrr
Gobbo
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Has anybody found this aspect of payment very annoying, I know I have,
I have a full yearly subscription in FindMyPast for an explorer package so I can look at all census years etc. but can I look at the 1911. NO. I have to buy credits to do so but these credits can be used also in FindMyPast. So where is the justice in that.
Meliora
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1911 says Great granny had 12 children ... I've only ever located ten of them ... any ideas how I might find the other 2 ??
Lydart my great great had 13 and 5 died, now I only know about 8 and I don't know how many of them lived or died. So I am going through the birth registrations for that surname in that registration area and comparing with deaths in the same time frame ie they married 1885 and must have stopped having children due to age by about 1907. Apart from getting to Surrey to look at baptism records this is the only way I can think of.
If you come up with a quicker idea let me know ::) :)
Kerry
Hi Kerry ...I'm only up the road from Surrey History Centre. If you want me to look up anything for you send me a list...
Milly
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Has anyone else had trouble viewing the original images? I have only tried to look at one original image so far and it has not worked. Is this expected?
HoppShill
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Hi
At the moment to see an original image you must download the file to your computer and then view the download. I do this by clicking twice on the name of the download file and up it comes in Windows viewer.
Good luck
Gobbo
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It is possible to search on a first name only (or even with no first name) if you enter (,) in the surname field. Put in all three characters - a comma inside brackets.
:)
Koromo
Excellent thanks Koromo,
I tried the (,) and it worked... then I wanted to find others in the household (step siblings) with a different surname so once I had the person I wanted narrowed down to the only one in that area, I put the (,) in the surname box, the district they lived as shown, the first name of the person I found in the "other first name" and the step sibling surname in the "other surname" box...and there they all were just as they should be. Unfortunately I already knew they would all be together and was just testing - but now I know it works I can have a go on others I'm not so sure about.
;D
Milly
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All that comes up is a message saying We are sorry but the image is not currently available. There is nothing to click on to download it
Thanks
HoppShill
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Hi
That is frustrating. Unfortunately there do seem to be missing bits even for the counties they claim are complete.
All the best
Gobbo
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That's true Gobbo
I have been trying to download the transcription for my great grandfather who apparently was with the Royal Navy in Weymouth. Every time I try to download I get a message saying image not available automatically generating a ticket to the help desk and then I get answer saying that military records are only available for counties that are currently loaded.
well unless I am going loopy Weymouth is in Dorset and Dorset is supposed to be available >:( I've given up for now.
Kerry
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Sorry if I've missed this in a previous posting - I found that surnames starting Mc weren't appearing - through other methods found they'd been transcribed with a space between the Mc & the rest of the name.
In the course of browsing I's spotted an Alic and a Lavinah - they may be accurate transcriptions in which case someone will have an easy search - if not ???
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It is possible to search on a first name only (or even with no first name) if you enter (,) in the surname field. Put in all three characters - a comma inside brackets.
:)
Koromo
Excellent thanks Koromo,
I tried the (,) and it worked... then I wanted to find others in the household (step siblings) with a different surname so once I had the person I wanted narrowed down to the only one in that area, I put the (,) in the surname box, the district they lived as shown, the first name of the person I found in the "other first name" and the step sibling surname in the "other surname" box...and there they all were just as they should be. Unfortunately I already knew they would all be together and was just testing - but now I know it works I can have a go on others I'm not so sure about.
;D
Milly
Just found some more - and then in advanced search kept entering different options for "relationship to head" eg nephew, cousin etc and also place of birth - to work out who some of the other household members were. ;D ;D
UPDATED... And occupations too ;D
Milly
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you dont need to put the ',' in parenthesis - it works ok on its own .....
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Sorry if I've missed this in a previous posting - I found that surnames starting Mc weren't appearing - through other methods found they'd been transcribed with a space between the Mc & the rest of the name.
thanks for that tip, just found a family by name of McNeil, wondered if they'd all emigrated!
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And if you put in the census reference from a transcript/original already downloaded, then alter the SN number by adding or subtracting ..... then use the "no surname" dodge, you can view the people in the neighbouring households.
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Thank you for the hint about the comma in the surname field, it works a treat ;)
Sadly it has not allowed me to find the one remaining great aunt missing from my maternal grandmothers side. She should be there as she didn't marry until the autumn of 1911 - but no sign of her.
I will just have to hope that something took her into Wales or Yorkshire, on census night, and she will turn up, like the proverbial bad penny, once the remaining counties, etc. come online!
Nell
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I've had no luck finding one particular older person who I KNOW was alive and most likely living in greater Manchester. I've looked all whichaways and still come up short:
George LAMB, born c.1838-42, Leeds or Hunslet, Yorkshire
occupation: boilermaker
In 1901 he was living on Parker Street in Bradford, Manchester
He died in 1914 at 80 Howarth Street, Bradford, Manchester
The thing is, I found his wife, Ann LAMB, living in Ardwick with her daughter, Harriet, son in law (John William JERVIS, head), grandson, and a mystery child, who was possibly a granddaughter (I haven't bought the page yet, being "between" credit cards).
Family legend - heard almost 30 years ago - had it that Ann left George, who was an apparently brutal man, so he could be anywhere, but I assumed he'd be in the Bradford area. I haven't found him with his other three daughters, either.
Be warned: there's a George LAMB of correct-ish age and birthplace living in Ecclesall Bierlow (Sheffield), but he died in 1916 and is not mine.
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Hello Lambendsor (AKA IGS)
Have you searched using only a , in the surname box?
Filling in only George, year of birth 1840+-2 and place of birth: Leeds produces 140 Georges of about the correct age, I wondered if he had used an alias would you recognise a name from the given list. The George Lamb who ISN"T yours shows up :-\
I hope it helps. Not my idea I hasten to add (see a little earlier in this thread) but it helped me find 2 sets of grandparents within 20 minutes after going bald with frustration all week!! ???
Cheers
jo
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This is probably obvious to everyone, especially those who read the instructions, but I will post anyway just in case.
In the "other members of the household" box, I originally only wrote one name as I thought that is all the programme would recognise.
I then added other names to narrow down the results.
One particular family has sons and daughters with the same names as parents, so as well as searching for my Margaret, I added in the "other members of the household box", 2 Williams, 2 Thomas's, one Margaret and narrowed the result to one.
[apologies if this has already been mentioned or I am stating the obvious]
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Other marks work too
,
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to mention a few ...
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I believe someone earlier in this link said they had found the person theywere looking for in an Institution but the name of the Institution was not shown.
I have found that if you click the slot for "View for Printing", top RH side of page it will show the name of the Institution at the bottom of the page.
My apoligies if this has alrerady been mentioned.
Meliora
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I think middle names were mentioned earlier as a way of refining the search.
I have just discovered that searching without a middle name, where one exists on the transcription, can return a null result!
For example: searching for Reuben BAYFORD found nothing - even with various spellings. Searching for William BAYFORD found lots - including Reuben William BAYFORD!!
Strange!
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Thats odd.
I searched for a Mary Anne Williams .... result, nothing.
Then I dropped the Anne, and up she came, but WITH the Anne in the transcription !
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Me too, I found the same with a Reuben Leonard, drop the Leonard and up it came with the Leonard there. Hmmmm
Kerry :-\
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Some kind of prejudice against Reubens??
:o ;D
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Hi
Meliora wrote
I believe someone earlier in this link said they had found the person theywere looking for in an Institution but the name of the Institution was not shown.
I have found that if you click the slot for "View for Printing", top RH side of page it will show the name of the Institution at the bottom of the page.
I was looking for Robert Slade and found the wrong one as the inmate of an Institution. The transcript gives the address of the institution, "21 Marylebone road, Marylebone W, London" but does not give the name of the institution. A quick Google failed to turn up the name and as he was not my Robert Slade I lost interest. (My Robert did turn up in another institute - patient, Islington Infirmary - I was happy to find him but not pleased to have wasted 40 credits on the other one!)
All the best
Gobbo
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I note what Meliora said about "view for printing" but cannot find this particular 'slot' as the download fills the whole page.
My problem is that having found my family without father living in Marylebone I later found him in an institution and try as I might I cannot find what or where this institution is.
Is it the workhouse or hospital or prison or nuthouse?
joboy
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Well it is usually 'easy' - just back up the pages until you see the name - however under current greedy charging reginme that might not be the best way
Bob
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This might be a silly idea, but if the address is on the return could you not try and google it?? You might get lucky.
Kerry
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This might be a silly idea, but if the address is on the return could you not try and google it?? You might get lucky.
Kerry
Not a silly idea Kerry ........ it's just that there is no address at all otherwise I would have automatIcally googled ... what I see is a page of 8 columns which have the main headers from 'name to the blanked out last column' and no address at the bottom or anywhere else for that matter .... I have 'zoomed' in and out but what you see is what you get ... very frustrating indeed.
Joboy
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Joboy
That is frustrating. :(
Kerry
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Hi Joboy
I think that you need to spend 10 credits on the transcript. This will tell you nothing of your ancestor that you do not already know but at the very bottom of the page on the left there should be an address box, which may or may not include the name of the institution.
Good luck
Gobbo
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This might be a silly idea, but if the address is on the return could you not try and google it?? You might get lucky.
Kerry
Not a silly idea Kerry ........ it's just that there is no address at all otherwise I would have automatIcally googled ... what I see is a page of 8 columns which have the main headers from 'name to the blanked out last column' and no address at the bottom or anywhere else for that matter .... I have 'zoomed' in and out but what you see is what you get ... very frustrating indeed.
Joboy
Hi JoBoy,
If you track down the full census reference you should be able to get at least a better idea where it is. What file name did it offer you when you downloaded the image? If you don't remember, download it again. You are looking for RDxx SDxx EDxx.
Paul
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If you track down the full census reference you should be able to get at least a better idea where it is.
Speaking of which . . . does anybody know how to decode the file names? Is there an index to the place names somewhere?
As an example, here is one of mine (although I do actually know where this is): RG14PN9988_RG78PN525_RD192_SD2_ED9_SN5
Mike.
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If you track down the full census reference you should be able to get at least a better idea where it is.
Speaking of which . . . does anybody know how to decode the file names? Is there an index to the place names somewhere?
As an example, here is one of mine (although I do actually know where this is): RG14PN9988_RG78PN525_RD192_SD2_ED9_SN5
Mike.
Hi Mike,
RD192_SD2_ED9 Orsett Fobbing
See http://www.ancestryhost.org/caswells//1911/RG14.pdf
Paul
Spreadsheet: http://www.ancestryhost.org/caswells//1911/RG14-Public.zip
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Hi
There have been a number of comments about the accuracy of the transcriptions. This is an important matter since it affects the success of one's searches. A letter in yesterday's Telegraph (17 Jan 2009) suggested that the quality was very poor. As a rough check of quality I have compared the names and ages of 30 institution occupants with the names and ages that were on the actual image page. The original page was obviously written as quickly as the clerk could and is not particularly clear - the "ck" combination on first reading looked like "col", "s" at the end of a name is an almost horizontal tail, and the clerk invariably spells "William" as "Willaim" but the transcription gives the name as "William". Among the 30 names there are, I believe, two transcription errors - "Sean" for "Sears" and "Whilmann" for "Uhlmann". In addition one age, recorded as 26 is probably 76 - the clerk writes "7" with a curved stroke similar to the top of a "2" and there is frequently a light stroke joining the base of the "7" to the following number so the confusion is understandable.
It took me quite a few minutes to do this check and I can understand that FindMyPast probably cannot afford such an effort. I think that we have to accept that there are errors and just notify FindMyPast as we find them in the hope that they will gradually be corrected.
All the best
Gobbo
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It's hard to say for sure about the quality of transcriptions, because when we read stuff, we already know what we are looking for, as opposed to the transcribers who will see hundreds of disjointed names in the course of a day. Quite often we see threads on this forum asking for help to read handwriting on documents, and it's only when someone else "cracks it" that it becomes blindingly obvious what it says. Of course, there is another problem on the 1911 census - on all previous censuses, we only got to see the emunerator returns, so you had a whole page of writing in the same hand, to make comparisons, and the emunerators (on the whole) had fairly good handwriting. On the 1911 census, the entries were written mainly by the householders themselves, or a child in the family who could read and write, so you will only have a few lines in the same hand, and often the handwriting will be very poor.
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Is it known if the enumerator was with 'the family' when the information is re-written underneath the original family attempt.
I ask as the re-written info could differ, in a birth place, by a few hundred miles..
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For reason's only beknown to themselves, a very small section, with the two birthplaces, that I had posted, has been removed.
Do tell if all the 'what does this say' posts will be removed.
You will be removing for an awful long time........... ::)
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I agree Nick, transcription, by its nature, is intrinsically prone to misreading due to handwritng. However, names appearing such as GEROGE, XRICHARD and the ubiquitous DO suggest that there is something more going on here than just 'difficult to read' writing.
Paul
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Oh, I'm not making excuses for them........ I daresay that they are more inclined to speed than accuracy :)
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given that there's well over 30 million handwritten names, its probably a bit early to generalise on the basis of a few dozen reported here ... or opinions on handwriting quality in general .....
Prior to 1911, the household schedules were destroyed once the details had been transferred into the enumerators’ summary books. But for the 1911 census both sets of records have been preserved, which means seeing one's ancestors own hand , in addition to the edited version in the enumerators’ summary.
allegedly the enumerators summaries will be available a couple of months after launch, so that will make an interesting comparison on transcription of just one persons hand .
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Hi
At least one of the strange transcriptions could be quite helpful to an interested family historian - look up Florence Cook, born 1907, and you will find on the surnames list
"COOK BY FIRST HUSBAND"
All the best
Gobbo
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Can I make a big suggestion to share the files with other members of the family.
this will save some members shelling out twice, I have already done this.
also when it comes to the 2011 can people scan/copy their forms when they're all filled in and save that to disc, as it might save the agony waiting to 2111
saying that there may not be a census in 2021
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just tried searching for Ada STAIT (born 1906 Ormskirk area)
and various spellings and have drawn a blank!
No father Joshua STAIT (d. 1921) or mother Annie STAIT (d. c1940s)
I'm worried now!
Wish we could search on a first name with a year of birth and location!
:o :'(
Try Joshua START with wife Annie, and Bertha, Enock and Ada all at Omskirk.
It is possible to search on a first name only (or even with no first name) if you enter (,) in the surname field. Put in all three characters - a comma inside brackets.
I found the tip on another message board and it works for me!
:)
Koromo
You are a STAR!
Thank you so much for that - may be able to persuade someone to purchase credits now.
;D ;)
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this one made me laugh:
1911-
BURNETT, GORGEENA F 1910 1 West Derby Lancashire
Guess this is her though:
b. Dec qua 1910 West Derby
Burnett, Georgina Wise
haven't viewed original so it may have been written like that!
;) ;D
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I've just seen a "LIZER".
Don't think she's the one I was after, but it would be interesting to see the other names on the form! ;D
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Hi JoBoy,
If you track down the full census reference you should be able to get at least a better idea where it is. What file name did it offer you when you downloaded the image? If you don't remember, download it again. You are looking for RDxx SDxx EDxx.
Paul
Thanks Paul ..... it worked OK ... Brilliant .. so I have identified the entry as Christchurch (RD7 SD3 ED21) .... now all I need is to know the institutions in this vicinity ... a workhouse perhaps?
joboy
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How about:
The House of Mercy, Union Place, Christchurch, MARYLEBONE [1861]
Others here: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/hitch/gendocs/institute.html
Paul
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Hi Mike,
RD192_SD2_ED9 Orsett Fobbing
See http://www.ancestryhost.org/caswells//1911/RG14.pdf
Paul
Spreadsheet: http://www.ancestryhost.org/caswells//1911/RG14-Public.zip
Belated thanks for the helpful links, Paul . . . have been offline for a couple of days.
Mike. :)
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Thanks Paul for narrowing down that address for me .. very much appreciated,
Joe
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They have started unlocking some of the previously locked Search facilities. Today it’s the use of wildcards.
For details see
http://blog.1911census.co.uk/
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My 1911 census has taught me a lesson - after years of looking for hubbies
gt grandfather Patrick cavanagh - born Ireland 1881ish - i now discover
in fact born Widnes Lancs so no wonder could never find him. Also - then
looked thru all my stuff to discover it was all just 'common knowledge'
he was born in ireland. In fact - his own father andrew was. Check
and recheck.
Mariam
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theres a new choice selection under the name related fields ..
- Exact name
- Names starting with
- Wildcard name
and it seems wildcards are ONLY for names - not places ....
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Excellent news ;D
Shall I search for some more or save my money :-\ ;)
Kerry
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Well as I said on a Mailing List this morning,whilst there maybe no keener genealogist than myself,I made a conscious decision quite early on in the piece that I would have nothing to do whatsoever with the 1911 Census Website.I'm sure that I speak for many of those who maybe on somewhat limited and fixed incomes in saying that the Site is little more than a profiteering scam.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham
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William, whilst I might agree that the 1911 is on the expensive side we mustn't lose sight of the fact that FindMyPast have purchased this census as an enormous cost, plus, it is early, we have all been waiting for this census to arrive, we have a choice, 30 or 10 units, or not to purchase any at all and wait.
I reckon the reason why you have to buy new units is because of the huge layout FindMyPast have paid out to secure the 1911 before anyone else, old units from findmypast won't give them a new influx of money, perhaps when they are somewhere near having recouped the cost it will either be included in existing units or become a subscription, till then it looks as if we have to pay up if we want the information, we have the choice.
I am also on a fixed income and have chosen to pick and choose the units I purchase, on the whole it is a good thing for most of us genealogists
regards
Louisa Maud
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I have to say that my conclusions are widely shared on many Mailing Lists and Message Boards.As a by no means trivial aside to this,if Ancestry had operated on a similar basis to this I would have been bankrupt many times over by now!Until it is available on another platform on a more reasonable basis I will continue to ignore it.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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BrightSolid / FindMyPast have a 6 months exclusivity agreement from the time of their version being 'fully launched' - so any other provider would then have a long lead time after procuring the new films (all done from scratch by BrightSolid) and a licence from the Nat Archives, do thir own transcription and ......
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Have to say not used 30 credits on original views (robbery!)but have notified them when I think or know a transcription is wrong. Pleased to say had emails to say all the ones I have reported have been corrected!
(Yes, I know, it should have been done correctly first time!)
;) ::)
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I agree with the many rootschatters on here that the spellings and mistakes on the 1911 are a disgrace. Who actually transcribed these records? Don't they know anything about searching for correct place names in an atlas or somewhere? Also it's just general incompetence when they put "France" instead of "Francis" when the chap's father is spelt correctly just above.
What about these three... Yorks, Knowerborough, Staffs, Mesclelomer and Scotland, Straumer.
No wonder they would prefer us to spend 30 credits to read the original rather than 10 for a transcription.
Judy
I have just read the previous comment and I have notified them too if I notice an inaccuracy in my family's record.
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Why are people sounding so angry?, we have a choice, buy or not to buy, no need for people to feel so angry, can't any of these companys do anthing right now, we were all after decreasing the 100 years, ok, 3 years is neither here nor there but we have it NOW.
LM
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We do indeed have a choice,it is whether we contribute to this Companies gross profiteering or not.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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louisa maud , I agree with you up to a point - it's our choice whether to pay the price asked, but having paid it I think we have the right to expect a quality product, and the quality of some of the transcriptions stinks.
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have a friend who researches but suffers ill health - she is delighted to have been able to view her ancestors on the 1911 census - when she thought she might never get to see it or fill in some gaps! :)
she does agree it is very expensive though but in a money ruled world we can't expect anything less! I think we should get a refund of credit for poorly transcribed entries though, which might get them to check the whole thing again with care!
:-\
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back to the debate about FindMyPast charging full-whack for images et al during the Beta-Test period - some were saying that it was still a 'privilege' to be able to see their ancestors, despite being expected to 'test' and comment on mis-trans etc .....
Now we have 'quality issues' in the almost-final product, tis interesting to note how the views are skewing round to FindMyPast being the villain ;)
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They have said in a reply to comments on the blog that they have deliberately transcribed all the spelling mistakes in the originals. So if great- grandad wrote Herny and Frolence instead of Henry and Florence, Herny and Frolence is what's been transcribed and indexed.
How helpful. Not. >:(
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WALOB ::)
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is it not possible for them to do what ancestry has done ie:
Herny / Henry / Hry / H etc
and give all possible options listed alphabetically or on a star rating??
am I making sense??
:-[
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back to the debate about FindMyPast charging full-whack for images et al during the Beta-Test period - some were saying that it was still a 'priviledge' to be able to see their ancestors, despite being expected to 'test' and comment on mis-trans etc .....
Now we have 'quality issues' in the almost-final product, tis interesting to note how the views are skewing round to FindMyPast being the villain ;)
They may have become a villian, but I still prefer them to the other villain ::) ;)
Kerry
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They may have become a villian, but I still prefer them to the other villain ::) ;)
Kerry
You mean there is more than one!?!?!?!?
;D :D
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They have said in a reply to comments on the blog that they have deliberately transcribed all the spelling mistakes in the originals. So if great- grandad wrote Herny and Frolence instead of Henry and Florence, Herny and Frolence is what's been transcribed and indexed.
How helpful. Not. >:(
Whether it is helpful or not it is the right way to do it.
First rule of transcribing is write what you see not what you think it should be.
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newf
naughty naughty
LM
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say it like it is .... in my book.
Yes, there will be instances where the Householder mis-spelled, but the number of other examples are already legion. My Father's middle name was very clear (and not because it was what I expected to see), and they managed to change it to David - which has just 3 letters in common, so guesswork at something they didnt recognise rather than write what was there ? !
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Whether it is helpful or not it is the right way to do it.
First rule of transcribing is write what you see not what you think it should be.
I can see that, but why not double-index the entries that appear to be misspellings. Index Herny as both Herny AND Henry.
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Whether it is helpful or not it is the right way to do it.
First rule of transcribing is write what you see not what you think it should be.
I can see that, but why not double-index the entries that appear to be misspellings. Index Herny as both Herny AND Henry.
The more alternatives they have to put down the more work is involved. This was the biggest census by miles that has been transcribed so far and if they sat there putting down every alternative they would have taken even longer to make it available. And let's be honest this difficulty with the spelling of names will be largely solved once all the functionality eg wild cards etc are available
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One of my ancestors Phillippa Symons Metherell eventually turned up transcribed as 'Symons Philips' (admittedly this was 1891 not 1911)
While waiting for the original scan to download, I was preparing to write a scathing letter to Ancestry . . . then, guess what . . . that was exactly how it was written by the enumerator! All the other entries for the household were written with the surname last, so clearly a misunderstanding by someone back in 1891 . . . and full marks to the transcriber!
I get as frustrated as anyone by obviously lazy transcription work, but I agree, write what you see. It could take an awful lot of time and a lot of intuition to try to 'correct' them all.
Mike.
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I dont think anyone has a problem with the fundamental rules of transcription - this sub-thread started because of the 'quality' issues being reported.... Ankerdines being most recent, but there have been dozens.
But having said that I guess we shouldnt lose sight of the fact that there's over 30 million names to transcribe, so what is being reported here is just a small % of the user population ......
I believe on their Blog, FindMyPast are suggesting a 98+ % accuracy ? ::)
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As far as the two perhaps villains referred to,I would choose Ancestry a thousand times over FindMyPast.I have heard instances of it taking 240 units simply to find one particular household.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
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1911
SWIFT ELIZABETH HELLOUS F 1896 15 Leeds
could this be:
Births Dec 1895
Swift Elizabeth Healas
just for reference!
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In Reply #311 Paul mentioned his table of 1911 census districts.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,352985.msg2319218.html#msg2319218
This table has been now placed in the RootsChat Reference Library.
See Topic: 1911 Census Districts
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,354796.0.html
Bob
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Wild card searches is now live, and seems to work.
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back to the debate about FindMyPast charging full-whack for images et al during the Beta-Test period - some were saying that it was still a 'privilege' to be able to see their ancestors, despite being expected to 'test' and comment on mis-trans etc .....
Now we have 'quality issues' in the almost-final product, tis interesting to note how the views are skewing round to FindMyPast being the villain ;)
Since most of us in the beta test only downloaded about 5 images each, I don't think we were in much of a position to judge about the quality of the transcriptions then, were we ? I had one person who could not be found on an index search, but was found by address, but I've since seen some of the (mis-) transcriptions, and I can see what they were complaining about.
Given the same situation, would I do it all again ? Yes of course I would.
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The transcription errors would not be such an issue if it were subscription, would they ? Annoying but not expensive.
They hve stated that subscription would be available later in the year. Initially if you are sceptical you might say 'Why would they" but while PPV might be lucrative, subscription might poach long term customers from such as ancestry.
My renewal for ancestry is due feb 09 but I wouldnt switch unless the 1911 were on subscription.
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Sorry for being a very old dunce but I do need some help with this.
My ancestor 'James William Flower' a widower was not with his children in 1911 as they were with their grandparents.
I subsequently found James William Flower and he was in an institution but there is no address on the page (have searched and so have others) and the only reference that I have is on the search page and what is shown is;
FLOWER JAMES WILLIAM (RG14PN577 RG78PN20 RD7 SD3 ED21 SN1).JPG
Can anyone please identify the type of institution and it's address?
Joe
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Sorry for being a very old dunce but I do need some help with this.
My ancestor 'James William Flower' a widower was not with his children in 1911 as they were with their grandparents.
I subsequently found James William Flower and he was in an institution but there is no address on the page (have searched and so have others) and the only reference that I have is on the search page and what is shown is;
FLOWER JAMES WILLIAM (RG14PN577 RG78PN20 RD7 SD3 ED21 SN1).JPG
Can anyone please identify the type of institution and it's address?
Joe
Since it will cost any of us at least £2.70 to view the image you quoted, I don't think you're going to get many takers. The institution was probably the workhouse, which is where people went for a variety of reasons, the most obvious being in debt and having nowhere else to go, but workhouses also served as hospitals, so he could have been ill.
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We do indeed have a choice,it is whether we contribute to this Companies gross profiteering or not.
Regards
William Russell Jones
Cefn Mawr
Wrexham.
What is so wrong with companies making a profit in this country ? Maybe you prefer the ones that don't, like Woolworths and Zavvi ?
Oh no, wait a minute, they're all closed ::)
The choice is simple - if you think something is too expensive, or you can't afford it, then don't buy it. I'd quite like a Mercedes S-class, but I can't afford it, and I don't deride people who can.
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Has anyone observed how quickly the transcription errors are being corrected?
Last Thursday, I reported 5 errors (involving 3 people) on one household transcript of 6 people. I received confirmation on Sunday that my corrections had been accepted and changes would be made. So far this hasn't happened. I realise that there must be masses of such errors to correct but would be interested in hearing from others about the speed of corrections.
Gadget
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but there is no address on the page (have searched and so have others) and the only reference that I have is on the search page and what is shown is;
Hi Joboy - Paul Caswell loaded up the RG etc refns - see further back in this thread, and Berlin Bob used it and provided a search engine here
http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/reflib-c1911-districts.php
this narrows your search down to Christchurch, St Marylebone - but you will have to wait for the RG78 images to be released in the next phase from FindMyPast.
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Has anyone observed how quickly the transcription errors are being corrected?
Last Thursday, I reported 5 errors (involving 3 people) on one household transcript of 6 people. I received confirmation on Sunday that my corrections had been accepted and changes would be made. So far this hasn't happened. I realise that there must be masses of such errors to correct but would be interested in hearing from others about the speed of corrections.
Gadget
I reported a transcription error on the first or second day of the Beta and received reasonably prompt acknowledgment, but it remains uncorrected as at this morning.
Anna
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Hi Joboy - Paul Caswell loaded up the RG etc refns - see further back in this thread, and Berlin Bob used it and provided a search engine here
http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/reflib-c1911-districts.php
this narrows your search down to Christchurch, St Marylebone - but you will have to wait for the RG78 images to be released in the next phase from FindMyPast.
Looking at Christchuch district in St Marylebone in 1901, the entries which were enumerated separately as institutions were:
Salvation Army Shelter: lodging house for men - not registered (Lisson St & Burne St)
Sisters of Mercy convent (11 Harewood Ave, St Johns Wood NW)
The Hotel Great Central (no street name given
Registered Lodging House (James Grant lodg. house keeper) (3,4,5 Little Grove St, Church St)
House Boy Brigade, public institution (146-8 Marylebone Road NW)
... so maybe not in a workhouse. ;)
K.
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There was a huge workhouse on Marylebone Road / Northumberland Street, which was enlarged in 1901. It is in the Christchurch district, I believe ;)
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?StMarylebone/StMarylebone1881.shtml (Click on St Marylebone Union at bottom of page)
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"Institution" sounds so grim and forbidding, one tends to forget about hotels and the like. (Not to mention royal palaces! ;D)
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In 1901 the Marylebone Workhouse was not in the Christchurch sub-district — it was apparently in The Rectory sub-district. The districts will not necessarily be the same in 1911.
I have slightly modified my post above in the interests of fairness.
K.
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"Institution" sounds so grim and forbidding, one tends to forget about hotels and the like. (Not to mention royal palaces! ;D)
I thought I read somewhere in all the details, that in 1911, anyone whose household could not fit on a single page schedule had to fill in an "institution" form instead. So could just mean a large household.
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Large households could be issued with 'Large household' schedules for up to 40 or 100 names. It was up to the registrar to decide what was a large household and what was an institution, and where appropriate to appoint the head or resident officer as enumerator. The instructions are not very clear on the exact definition of a large household as opposed to an institution, so you can expect some variation.
Buckingham Palace is a case in point, where you could make a good argument either way. In 1911 it appears as an institution - but I don't suppose His Maj did the enumerating!
Mean_genie
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Has anyone observed how quickly the transcription errors are being corrected?
Last Thursday, I reported 5 errors (involving 3 people) on one household transcript of 6 people. I received confirmation on Sunday that my corrections had been accepted and changes would be made. So far this hasn't happened. I realise that there must be masses of such errors to correct but would be interested in hearing from others about the speed of corrections.
Latest blog entry says that they will not correct the index if the transcription matches the original entry.
Our policy is to accept changes only if they match what is on the original page (i.e the household form). So if your ancestor made spelling mistakes on the original page, they will be carried through into the transcript. This is actually more common than you might think, so please be sure to check the original page before you assume that there is an error, rather than an accurate transcription of the original document.
Ancestry show contributed corrections, and add them to the index, while keeping the original, so that a search finds both versions. Much more user-friendly.
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"Institution" sounds so grim and forbidding, one tends to forget about hotels and the like. (Not to mention royal palaces! ;D)
I thought I read somewhere in all the details, that in 1911, anyone whose household could not fit on a single page schedule had to fill in an "institution" form instead. So could just mean a large household.
Interesting point - I must try to remember that :)
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Our policy is to accept changes only if they match what is on the original page (i.e the household form). So if your ancestor made spelling mistakes on the original page, they will be carried through into the transcript. This is actually more common than you might think, so please be sure to check the original page before you assume that there is an error, rather than an accurate transcription of the original document.
So FindMyPast wants us first to check the original entry against the transcript before reporting an error? They must think we are made of money! I am sure my grandmother knew how to spell Stranraer. Surely she knew it wasn't Straumer, Scotland, as did her husband my grandfather. I have reported this error and had confirmation that they have received my indication. No change reported yet though.
Judy
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But it seems they won't add the correct spelling to the index if it was misspelt on the form.
I really cannot see how it compromises anything by including such corrections in the index. An index is simply a finding aid, no more, no less.
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RE: James William Flower 1911. Is this him?
Age:50. M. At: 345 Little Grove st, Lisson Grove, NW. St Marylebone.
Registered Lodging House. :)
Devis ;)
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I sent corrections during the beta testing, had acknowledgement, to-date none have been corrected.
They were all transcription errors, one family the step daughter had been missed off the transcription (she's on the original) her brother was entered on transcription as step-daughter ::). In another family of eight, six of the christian names had been transcribed incorrectly, the handwriting was good.
Susan
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Despite having been told several times conflicting messages about the transcript for my military great grandad in Weymouth, I still can't download it. I've given up.
I am prepared to wait but the most annoying thing of all is everytime I go to site and try to download the image it generates an help desk message. I just want to be able to quietly and surrepticiously try to download until the day that they finally upload the image and I can get it :-X
Kerry
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Ha ha ;D Just tried again, they have finally taken away the download image button from the transcript. They have obviously got bored of all the help desk messages too.
Now I just have to wait till it appears. But if only they could have been honest enough right at day 1 and tell me they hadn't uploaded the image yet instead of all the conflicting c**p I have had from each different person who has answered the message. >:( >:( >:(
Kerry
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Sorry for being a very old dunce but I do need some help with this.
My ancestor 'James William Flower' a widower was not with his children in 1911 as they were with their grandparents.
I subsequently found James William Flower and he was in an institution but there is no address on the page (have searched and so have others) and the only reference that I have is on the search page and what is shown is;
FLOWER JAMES WILLIAM (RG14PN577 RG78PN20 RD7 SD3 ED21 SN1).JPG
Can anyone please identify the type of institution and it's address?
Joe
Since it will cost any of us at least £2.70 to view the image you quoted, I don't think you're going to get many takers. The institution was probably the workhouse, which is where people went for a variety of reasons, the most obvious being in debt and having nowhere else to go, but workhouses also served as hospitals, so he could have been ill.
Nick ... perhaps you misunderstood me ... I am not asking for someone to look it up having already done that myself and paid for it.
What I was asking is 'can anyone identify (or crack) the code on the search page (ie that reference that we need to 'click on' in order to view the page).
Upon 'clicking' I get the page that I have paid for but there is no address shown on it and this old dunce thought perhaps that someone here can decode the search reference which must relate to a particular district.
Joe
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RE: James William Flower 1911. Is this him?
Age:50. M. At: 345 Little Grove st, Lisson Grove, NW. St Marylebone.
Registered Lodging House. :)
Devis ;)
Could this be the address you want?
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RE: James William Flower 1911. Is this him?
Age:50. M. At: 345 Little Grove st, Lisson Grove, NW. St Marylebone.
Registered Lodging House. :)
Devis ;)
Could this be the address you want?
Thank you Devis ......... certainly looks like hime and very close to where he lived formerly .... could I ask how you cracked the code or,if not, how you found him ... would love to know for future reference?
Joe
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I thought I should add this for the record.
I wrote to FindMyPast a couple of days ago as follows;
"I found the ancestors that I sought BUT without the father who would have been about 50 years old … so I did a search only for him and he shows up in an institution.
Trouble is there is no address shown for the institution therefore I dont know where or what it is.
I have zoomed in and out but no luck.
The search reference is;
(RG14PN577 RG78PN20 RD7 SD3 ED21 SN1).JPG
Is anyone able to provide a clue to the address please?
Joe"
and they responded by advising me to go to their 'blog' page at;
http://blog.1911census.co.uk/2009/01/tips-for-finding-your-ancestors-via-address-search/
which I did and which just led me into asking the same question of others who use the blog.
Bit of a time waster as most of the entries are seekers to the same question.
joe
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JoBoy, you didnt go back far enough in bthe thread ref 'code-cracking' - even tho your query has been answered, for future refn check replies #364 and #366...
:)
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,354796.0.html
Is this thread in 'census and resource discussion' any use?
Also if you have viewed the transcript of a page, the address should be at the bottom of the page. (possibly in 'print view' I can't remember)
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I am trying to find an occupant of Holborn workhouse on 1911, I have tried various ways including wildcards and all the suggestions that have been made to others, he was born in Sweden and that doesn't even bring his name up, I know this person was admitted 1909, I have his death cert dated March 1912, so I know where he was, can I find him, no, I can't, strange thing is the death cert gives his place of death was Holborn Workhouse, the registration district as Shoreditch and sub district Shoreditch North West, I am confused to say the least
Any help appreciated
Louisa Maud
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He may only have been in the workhouse because he was ill. In the days before the national health and insurance, the workhouse infirmary was used as a local hospital.
If you put up his name and year of birth etc, someone may be able to find him.
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tHANK YOU
I have done all the usual things and even had a very knowlegeable friend of mine look for me, my query also is why Shoreditch
LM
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Hi
Many of my ancestors wre in the workhouse because they were ill.
But my ancestor Thomas Clift was in the workhouse in 1861 and he was still married but his wife Elizabeth was dying of phthisis and was dead by May 1861. Thomas remarried in 1865. I wonder if he couldnt cope with her being ill or something.
Ben
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Hello, LM,
This might help.
some addresses
Holborn Union Workhouse, St Andrews London
as you know St Andrews comes under the Ciry of London
Holborn workbouse, 158 Grays Inn Rd.
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?Holborn/Holborn.shtml
this mentions the City Rd site & has a good explanation of the various Holborn workhouse with pictures,
The Info leaflet no 26, Poor Law Records in London & Middlesex, City of London, Archives, Guildhall.
states " Holborn Workhouse is in the City Rd, Shoreditch" so their registration district would be Shoreditch.
Confused, I'm not surprised.
Meliora
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Hi
Many of my ancestors wre in the workhouse because they were ill.
But my ancestor Thomas Clift was in the workhouse in 1861 and he was still married but his wife Elizabeth was dying of phthisis and was dead by May 1861. Thomas remarried in 1865. I wonder if he couldnt cope with her being ill or something.
Ben
Many of the old workhouses became hospitals in the 1900's. My grandfather died in the Greenwich Workhouse of pthisis (TB) in 1896. My father died of cancer in the same place in 1983, but by then it had become the Greenwich District Hospital (although at first it was known as St. Alfege's Hospital).
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Nick ... perhaps you misunderstood me ... I am not asking for someone to look it up having already done that myself and paid for it.
Yes, sorry about that, I thought that you maybe assumed that by posting the name of the picture that we could see it. There is a function to post pictures on the forum, but we have to be careful not to post too much of the image, or we fall foul of the copyright censor.
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Thank You Meliora
I think I might have become de-confused now, well as ever I will be.
I must admit I never realised the Holborn Workhouse was in Shoreditch, as I have said before, one lives and learns and one should never be surprised
regards
Louisa Maud
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Thanks everyone for your contributions to this discussion.
I have locked it - because it is so long - and the key points have been summarised here:
Topic: 1911 census - Rootschatters' tips for success
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=355239.new
I would welcome further additions to the above thread - send them to me by PM and I will try to distil them!
Feel free to start another thread on the Census and Resource Discussion board to discuss other issues as they arise.
Note: now that we are a little wiser as to how to use the census please post specific problems with your research on the relevant county board and keep the new thread for discussion on general themes.
Thank you!