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Hi everyone
Im trying to find out some more about my 9xGt Grandfather: Anthony ROWSE baptised on 22nd March 1618/19 at St Mary's Church, Truro. The IGI named his Father as Wilhelmi ROWSE (William?).
There is a thought that Anthony's Father was William ROWSE, an MP for Truro in the 17th Century and that he was descended from the ROWSE Family of Halton.
"My" Anthony married Frances MAUNDER at Truro in 1647 and produced a son, also named Anthony, born in 1658 that at some stage moved to St Agnes where my ROWSE line continues.
Id be grateful to hear from anyone with connections to the ROWSE's or MAUNDER's and whether or not anyone can help on the ancestry of Anthony, born 1618!
Thanks, Graham
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Graham: Have just seen your entry. Much work has been done on the ROUSE/ROUS/ROWSE family of Devon and Cornwall. Copies of Street's A Genealogy of the Rouses of Devon and Peters' A Rouse Family of Devon (both include Cornish branches) are in West Country Studies library, Devon FHS library (both in Exeter) and the Soc. of Genealogists (London) To date it has been impossible proving that the Anthony bap Truro 1619 was the son of William, the one-time MP for Truro (William married Mary Robarts).
The Anthony born 1658 was 3rd child of Anthony and Frances and from them the line from St Agnes is well documented to the present day although Burke once carried an entirely erroneous family tree. (No descent is known from Anthony's brother or sister - Stephen baptised 1654 and Frances bap 1655)
Col. David Rouse (pronounced Roose) of this family has only recently died
The likelihood is that any ROUS person born in Devon or Cornwall before 1600 that (so far) cannot be proved to be linked to the main line at St. Dominic or Modbury came from a junior line two, three or more generations before Sir Anthony Rous (died 1620) of Halton at St. Dominic.
Rufulogica
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Hello Rufulogica
Thanks very much indeed for your very helpful reply.
I had a feeling that this was the case, as Ive tried hard to prove that Anthony, bapt 1619 was the son of William Rouse.
Perhaps it'll have to remain as one of those possibles and a mystery.
Thanks again
Best wishes, Graham
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http://www.uk-genealogy.org.uk/england/Cornwall/visitations/index.html
VISITATIONS OF CORNWALL
HELLO
I HAVE AND PUT MESSAGE RE ROUSE
I DO NOT UNDERSTAND VISITATION BUT IT APPEARED TO HAVE THE NAMES YOU WERE HELPING WITH
SYLVIA
SYLVIA
RUFULOGICA MAY UNDERSTAND ::)
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ROUSE
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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re Visitation post, thank you for that. Since the eldest son inherited all - or most of - his father's wealth (and taxation was a factor in carrying out the Visitation, done in England by a Herald), it was necessary to establish an inherited line of inheritance from as far back as possible. It was not necessary to note all siblings which is why it is so difficult establishing junior lines of any family prior to about 1550
Rufulogica
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thanks
it was worth a try
sylvia
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(and taxation was a factor in carrying out the Visitation, done in England by a Herald), it was necessary to establish an inherited line of inheritance from as far back as possible.
Sorry, but I don't think that is necessarily the case. Heralds are officers of the College of Arms and have no role in taxation at all. The visitations were carried out for the purposes of recording the use of coats of arms. For this reason they recorded the pedigrees of the families using coats of arms. The families had to prove their entitlement to these arms either by grant or by long use. The pedigrees show the descent of the right to arms.
Nell
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i hope this helps from cornwall opc
birth
Truro St. Marys
19 Jan 1622
Franciscae MAUNDER maybe frances
Filia
Jacobi/ Maria parents
Truro St. Marys
22 Mar 1617
birth
Anthonius ROWSE maybe antony
Filius
Wilhelmi Gen
birth
Truro St. Marys
1 May 1658
Anthony ROUSE
parents Anthony/ Frances
sylvia
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Good Evening Graham
Quite by accident I was going through my own family notes and cames across a William Rowse who married a Madeline Ena Rickard circa 1936. Unfortunately I have no details of where the wedding took place. Just wondering if William happens to be on a branch of your tree?
Regards
Peter Rickard
Melbourne Australia
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WAS THE ANTHONIUS ROWSE THE ONE YOU ASKED ABOUT
SYLVIA
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Hi,
I hear, that you are trying to find out info about the Rouse Family in Cornwall. Col David Rouse who past away last year was my uncle and sadly my father passed away 7 years ago. My uncle had 3 sons Martin who still lives in Cornwall, John who lives in Sweden, and Charles who lives in Australia. he also has a daughter who lives in Scotland. I live in Kent with my husband and two daughters. if you find out any info regarding our ancestor please let me know.
Rebecca
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I might be able to help.
I decend from the Rouse family ( although not your line ). I'm in contact with Prof J Street who wrote The Geneology of the Rouses. Jack Streets friend and co-writer Dr Peters, may also post on these forums as well.
I have also spent many years studying the Rouse lines.
If you want to PM me more details, I will take a look and see what I can find.
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hI,
I have a separate post on Rootschat about Richard Roose, a tailor, son of either Richard or John Roose, born Truro c1817. By 1841 he was living in Wales
I wondered if the Roose name could be a variation of Rouse? Does the research discussed here cover the early 1800s?
Tks
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Hi, We have the book by John Street, and I have been in sporadic touch with Dr Peters too. Anyone in touch, please give them my best regards. Still searching after 16 years, for Grace Rowse, mother of Edward Langman Rowse (b. 1778 Totnes, Devon, illig.). Grace left the baby in parish care and married a Henry Beedle by special licence in Totnes the following year. Naturally the CRO does not hold that licence in the archive. So where did Grace come from and where did she go?
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I am interested in any connections with the ROWSE family and St. Agnes Cornwall.
Anthony Rowse was born circa 1799 and married Ann (unknown surname) around 1824.
Eventually Anthony moved to Mary Tavy Devon and was connected with the mining industry there.
One of his children was Agness (born 1833) married first ......Sargent. She then married Josiah Richards Ball who was a mining engineer. Agness and Josiah both died in Minera, Wales.
I am researching the BALL family and would like to find information about the marriage of Agness Rowse and her first husband.
Michael Ball
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Very sorry I can't help with any Cornish branches although I am convinced they must all join up somehow. And yes, I do think Roose is highly likely to be a variant bearing in mind that most people did not write, they just mumbled their name with an accent, and someone else, quite possibly deaf, tired or in a hurry, wrote down what they thought they heard. Shakespeare is said to have spelled his own name five different ways!
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Hello. This is my first post to this site so please forgive any mistakes.
I read the post by Peter Rickard. I have a James Hele Rowse b 1839 Harford married to a Sarah Ann Rickard. Her father Cornelius Rickard was b abt 1800 <Saint Mellion> Cornwall, ENG. James immigrated to Canada with his family in 1855 to Ontario.
I have 3 Williams Rowse's in a row born in Devon abt 1590, 1616 Plympton, St. Mary, Devon, and abt 1645 Devon. The 3rd one married Jane Hawkin(g)s in 1669 and had a son John b 1682 who mar Thomasin Richards in 1718 Devon. Their daughter Sarah had an illegitimate son by a TURPIN and named the child John Turpin Rowse b 1747. His son James Hele Rowse b 1790 Harford Devon, had a son James Hele Rowse b 1814 and this last James is the father of the James born 1839 (in the 1st paragraph)
Any chance my Devon Rowse ancestors are kin to your William?
Cornelius Rickard's father James was b 1770 and d 1830 in Saint Mellion, Cornwall and was mar to Sasanna Curties
Best Regards
a_j_m_
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Hello AJM, I am assuming you are in Canada?
I have yet to establish a connection with your line of Hele & Turpin Rowse, but I am in touch with a lady in Sussex who is DEFINITELY connected.
She has asked me to direct you to the Ancestry board to make contact with her.
Also, when I started to answer your message I discovered that I could forward it to a friend, so I did send it to her.
I hope you manage to link up, and wish you the best of luck, mowsehowse.
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Hello mowsehouse
Yes I live in southwestern Ontario in Canada. Thank you for your reply. I hope I can make contact with the lady from Sussex. This Harford Devon line is a whole new trail for me to follow. Pun intended
Thank you
a_j_m_
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Hi AJM - I did let her know about the posting here, and if you try Ancestry you should link up that way too.
Good luck.
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To mowsehowse and a j m , I have just seen your entries. You both need to see John Street's 'A Genealogy of the Rouses of Devon' in which chapter 6 is devoted to what he calls Rowse of Wembury. It has all the details of the John Hele Rowses.
Copies of Street's book in England are at the Society of Genealogists and libraries in Exeter and Plymouth. Your local librarian might help locate a copy for you
Rufulogica
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Many thanks. I do have a copy of John's book, in fact I collaborated with him quite closely for the Brixham chapter, but the story is not finished - and there surely MUST be someone out there who is interested?? Somewhere??
:)
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??? Hello a.j.m.
Did you get in touch with Katie? Was it productive?
I feel a bit sad to have heard nothing?? ::)
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Hello. Sorry mowsehowse. No, I haven't been able to get to the library to use ancestry yet to see if I could make contact, but my searches have been far from unproductive. I have come across a couple of directly related Rowse genealogists who have compiled much pertinent info. I have been digesting it all ravenously.
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Hello,
Whilst nothing to do with the Rouses of Cornwall I am researching the Rouses of Warks,Worcs,Glos.
There are all the various spellings to go through and I think Rosse is a possibility but Rose does not seem to be, as there were both Rouses and Roses in the various villages. It would be interesting to know how the names were pronounced years ago to get over this difference.
I was initially attracted to the idea of connecting mine with armigerous Rouses of Worcs. etc (subsequently Rouse/Boughtons) as this would take me even further back. This family had lands where mine come from, in the 1400 & 1500s but I can't make any connection, so I think perhaps younger branches were omitted from Visitations.
daveb
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Hi ajm - glad you are making progress.
David - I have never come across any Rowses in your specialist counties, but if you know of a "Grace" birth and then no more info, please do give me a shout. I would guess our missing lassy was born between - say 1745 and 1765.
Good luck both of you.
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Hello,
Of all the hundreds of my Ro(u)(w)ses I've never come across a "Grace" yet. Sorry
daveb
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Well please keep your eyes peeled because she IS out there somewhere!! ::)
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Street's book, A Genealogy of the Rouses of Devon, lists twelve of the name of Grace Rou(w)se between 1557 and 1887.
Rufulogica.
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Thank you.
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I thought perhaps I should make a little more of this.......
I worked quite closely with John Street for the Brixham Rowse family chapter, as you will see from page 365.
It is his conclusion that the Grace Rowse born in Widdecombe in 1756 is the most likely candidate to be the mother of Edward Langman Rowse.
The original Overseers documents held at the Devon County RO do have it that the pregnant Grace Rowse was a was a "widow" although I gather that particular word was used for any state of woman without a "husband" much as "spinster" was also used in various ways.
It is true that Grace married Henry Beedle at Totnes in 1779 and then apparently left the area, abandoning baby Edward.
Until I can find some word of her, post 1779, sadly, the end of the story will remain a mystery.
???
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I have been researching my family of ROOSE from the Liskeard area for several years, but have hit a wall at John ROOSE & Dorothy MOONE marriage 18 June 1695. I cannot find their baptisms or parents. My only information is their children. Philip baptised 6 March 1695, the year following their marriage. John baptised 1698 and Cornelius baptised 23 Sep 1702. Their offspring moved via St Keyne, Duloe to Polperro where they stayed for over 200 years.
If the naming pattern is correct; Philip would be named after his paternal grandfather, John after his father, but Cornelius could be a brother to his father or his maternal grandfather(?). I think there could be a link with the Rous from Halton quay, but cannot find it. Any help or suggestions please?
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I have always suspected the Cornish & Devon Ro*ses to be connected way back - but I doubt I will ever prove it.
Good luck with your search; this site often produces amazing contacts!
:)
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Hello
I've joined this forum only recently so I've only just seen this post. I'm descended from a William ROWSE (b.1790) and Jane ROSEVEAR from the St Austell area. I was wondering if they made an appearance on your tree at all?
Kind regards
Purdie
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William ROWSE (b.1790) and Jane ROSEVEAR from the St Austell area.....................
Sorry Purdie, not on our tree as yet, :'( but still hoping for a breakthrough one day
Good luck.
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Hi a_j_m_
I also have the Harford / Plympton Rowses in my tree. I am descended from John Turpin Rowse b1747 and also John Turpin Rowse b1779 (brother of James Hele Rowse).
I couldn't find the paper trail of James Hele Rowse b1839 - the marriage you mentioned to Sarah Ann Rickard and their subsequent move to Canada. Can you point me to the source for this.
I am hoping to trace the origins of my distant cousins who emigrated from Devon.
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Hello
I have a direct descendant called ELIZABETH ROUS OR ROWSE as it is sometimes written.
Born: in Edmerston, Devon
Marr: 27 Jul 1622 in Modbury, Devon
Buried: 9 Oct 1632
She married
Barnard FLAMANK OF
BOSCARNE
Bap: 27 Aug 1598 in Boscarne
Died 27th October 1658
Their marriage was celebrated in a shield which is now stored in Bodmin Museum and heres the link http://www.bbc.co.uk/ahistoryoftheworld/objects/zislk_AfRM21OI9fR6fHbw
The shield was part of a BBC programme called "Cornwall in 100 Objects" so it is viewed as typically Cornish.
They are my 10th great grandparents.
As I am following someone else's "tree" I am attempting to verify my direct ancestors, namely grandparents at this point, so have no details on siblings and parents for Elizabeth Rowse/ Rous at the moment.
You have her birth date and location, so this may be of help.
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I am stuck at Emanuel Rouse born in 1673, by most accounts in Smithfield, Rhode Island, but some claim Barbados, and some claim somewhere in Devonshire. He seems to have been married to a Ann Harris in Clyst Hydon, Devon in the 1690s, and she seems to have died in Rhode Island, but there is no record of it. It seems odd that they left England right around the time John Rouse of the Rye House Plot was executed. Some claim he is the son of one of the sugar planters of Barbados, Thomas Rouse in particular is often mentioned. This may simply be a modern contrivance based on the notion that Emanuel is sounds like it should be a Hispanic name when in fact it was fairly common among English Quakers and even Puritans.
Some have also mentioned a John Rouse of Marshfield, however, that linage a pretty well-known and there is no Emanuel among them. Others have claimed a Thomas ‘Rose,’ however, DNA has just about proven that the Rouses and Roses are not closely related at all.
I have heard that a book The Genealogy of the Rouses of Devon contains information about the Barbados branch which might confirm, or at least eliminate Thomas Rouse of that place. In America they tended to marry into old lines of Cookes, Greenes, Clarks, and Tripps, which trace back a long way in England.
With many of my other lines claiming descent from Odin (seriously), having a roadblock on my direct paternal line is frustrating. Any help or advice is appreciated.
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Hello NJR2. I do own a copy of John Street's remarkable "Genealogy" though it saddens me to report there is no Emanuel in the index. However there is as you know, a lengthy chapter devoted to Barbados with a Thomas in every tree, so I am sure we can work on this..... where do you want me to start precisely?
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Hello
I have a direct descendant called ELIZABETH ROUS OR ROWSE as it is sometimes written.
Born: in Edmerston, Devon
Marr: 27 Jul 1622 in Modbury, Devon
Buried: 9 Oct 1632
She married
Barnard FLAMANK OF
BOSCARNE
Bap: 27 Aug 1598 in Boscarne
Died 27th October 1658
Their marriage was celebrated in a shield which is now stored in Bodmin Museum and heres the link http://www.bbc.co.uk/ahistoryoftheworld/objects/zislk_AfRM21OI9fR6fHbw
The shield was part of a BBC programme called "Cornwall in 100 Objects" so it is viewed as typically Cornish.
They are my 10th great grandparents.
I am just looking at this post....
You are looking for "details on siblings and parents for Elizabeth Rowse/ Rous"??
According to John Street's "Genealogy:
Her parents were Ambrose Rous of Edmerston who married Magdalen Osborne daug of Peter Osborne of "Chicksand Priory" Ampthill, Beds.
They had numbers of children:
Anne born & died 1588
Thomas
Magdalen m 1616 Daniel Coteele
William m 1617 Mary Robartes
George
Mary m Joseph Symons
Thomas
Katherine m 1617 Francis Wills
John m Mary
Ralph 1604 -1606
Anthony 1606 - 1660
Anne m 1633 John Ashford
Ambrose 1608 - 1654 m1636 Martha Ball dau of Thomas Ball of Chudleigh.
That is what the big book says.....
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Hi, I am new to this but was wondering if you could help. I am looking to trace my family line back as far as I can, and from what i have found my great, great grandfather William Rowse lived in Australia (where I am from) in 1861 in Creswick Victoria because he had a son there William Giles Rowse. He was married to Mary Jane Giles. I don’t know if he was born in Aus or came from somewhere else. I was wondering if anyone new this or even when the first Rowse’s came to Aus and where they were from. Thanks Adam
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Hi, I am new to this but was wondering if you could help. I am looking to trace my family line back as far as I can, and from what i have found my great, great grandfather William Rowse lived in Australia (where I am from) in 1861 in Creswick Victoria because he had a son there William Giles Rowse. He was married to Mary Jane Giles. I don’t know if he was born in Aus or came from somewhere else. I was wondering if anyone new this or even when the first Rowse’s came to Aus and where they were from. Thanks Adam
Sorry to say I can find no mention of William Giles Rowse in John Street's "Genealogy of the Rouses of Devon".