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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Midlothian => Topic started by: grianaig on Sunday 18 January 09 19:29 GMT (UK)
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Looking for more info on a George Swan (b)1818 in Liberton. Don't really have much info of his children apart from the direct line nor do I have info on his brothers or sisters.
All I have is :-
George Swan (b) 1818 Liberton, Midlothian
(m) Jane Susan Clark
Henrietta Swan (b)1852
William Clark Swan (b)1853
Jane Clark Swan (b)1854
John Swan (b)1856 \
(m) Margaret McLean / my direct line
Alison Banks (baulks) Swan (b)1857
Mary Clark Swan (b)1859
Margaret Swan (b)1861
Would love to hear from anyone who is related or has info of any of the above.
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George Swan, Tobacco Pipe Manufacturer died 9 April 1881 aged 63, usual residence 115 Albert Street Leith. Married 1st Jane Clark, 2nd Mary Clark - Parents: George Swan, Coal contractor Gas Works and Alison Banks and advised by his daughter Henrietta Swan.
A marriage: 1890 SINCLAIR DAVID SWAN ALISON BANKS NEWINGTON EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN
There is an interesting entry in the 1881 census for 115 Albert Street Leith:
Jane SWAN Daughter Unmarried 26 F Drapery Sales Woman Edinburgh, Scotland
Margaret SWAN Daughter Unmarried 19 F French Polisher Edinburgh, Scotland
Euphemia SWAN Daughter Unmarried 11 F Scholar Edinburgh, Scotland
Jemima SWAN Daughter Unmarried 9 F Scholar Edinburgh, Scotland
George SWAN Head Married 51 M Tobacco Pipe Maker Edinburgh, Scotland
Jessie SWAN Daughter Unmarried 13 F Scholar Edinburgh, Scotland
Catherine SWAN Daughter Unmarried 3 F Edinburgh, Scotland
Mary SWAN Wife Married 47 F Edinburgh, Scotland
Mary SWAN Daughter Unmarried 21 F Printer Compositress Edinburgh, Scotland
Philip SWAN Son Unmarried 7 M Scholar Edinburgh, Scotland
There was a Jane Swan/Clark died in 1865, age unknown and the marriage to Mary Clark was on 31st December 1867 - her parents were George Clark/Henrietta Granger. Could they have been sisters?
In the index for the 1861 census the following have the same reference which could imply the same family grouping.
SWAN GEORGE M 42
SWAN GEORGE M 21
SWAN HELEN F 25
SWAN HENRIETTA F 9
SWAN JANE F 6
SWAN JANE F 34
SWAN JOHN M 5
SWAN JOHN M 26
SWAN MARY F 1
SWAN WILLIAM M 8
IGI has his birth of course:
GEORGE SWAN
05 APR 1818 Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland
Father: GEORGE SWAN
Mother: ALISON BALKS
Siblings etc:
JOHN SWAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 21 JAN 1816 Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland
MARGARET SWAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 05 JUN 1814 Liberton, Midlothian, Scotland
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My 3rd great grandparents are George Swan and Allison Banks. 2nd great grandparents are George Swan and Mary Clark (sister of Jane). Great grandparents are Jemima Swan and David Hook McKenzie. Their son Colin was my grandfather.
Would love to share any information. I have acquired quite a few records for this line.
My apologies if the posts more that once. I was trying to attach a photo of Jemima, unsuccessfully.
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I have been in touch with someone from Canada who helped me piece this info together, maybe you know her, Irene McKenzie?
Would really love to get more info on the Swans as they are hard to trace and well lets face it, not all the facts are available online.
Hope to hear from you soon, e-mail (*)
Cheers
Iain
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Hi all :)
Just caught up with this thread and remembered that I too have Swan surnames in my tree from Liberton, Midlothian.....starting with William Swan b 1734 whom married a Margaret McAlpine. They had a daughter Isabel b 1759 whom married a Adam Borthwick. William and Margaret also had the following children...
Isabel b 1759
John b 1760
Janet b1763
James b 1766
Marion b 1768
William b 1772
Agnes b 1774
Margaret b 1776
Do any of these 'Swans' fit with anyone else?
Cheers
:D
Kimberly
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Hiya
Been a while since last on here, but I've been in contact with a woman in Edinburgh who seems to be a distant relation with certs confirming a link with myself and possibly you.
Don't know how accurate her source data is but it's worth chasing up.
cheers
iain
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George Swan of Liberton was my mother's grandfather. The info that you have is more or less correct - Mary and Jane Clark were definitely sisters who lived together with their brother Philip when Jane and George were married. He subsequently married Mary and had 5 more children. The youngest, Catherine Swan, was my grandmother. I have researched this part of the family in some depth so if you need further info I would be glad to provide it.
Rena
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Hi Rena
If you could post details it would be very welcomed, as you know you get bits and pieces of info.
As I got info, found out that George(1818) was married 3 times, to Isabella Sommerville, then to Jane Susan Clark & Mary Clark. So still a lot of catching up to do.
Cheers
Iain
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Hi Iain,
Happy to post all info that we have with regards to George. We have lots of census info. The branch we come from is George Swan/Mary Clark. What is your connection to George. I will post info by Sunday. Are you a Scottish relative? If there is any specific info you may need let me know.
Regards
Rena
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Hi Rena
MY connection if through my Mums side of the family, George Swan & Jane Susan Clark.
So my lineage would be
George(1818) - John(1856) - John(1885) - John O'Hara(1911) - Margaret(my mum) then myself.
As you can see George would be my 3x G Granda, and yes I still live in Scotland. As far as I know that my Mums Dad were the only ones to move to the West Coast, the others by large still live in or around Edinburgh and the Liberton area. Have traced a few distant cousins and half cousins to Canada & NZ even down to England.
Anything that you have would be of value, as I am willing to share any docs that I have showing my connection to George(1818).
Cheers
Iain
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I am searching for parents of Alexander and Robert Swan. They came to USA in late 1700's. Both were in the Milling business so maybe learned their trade from their father. Family legend has another brother but I do not have a name for him.Alexander married in 1805(Virginia USA) and Robert married in 1795(Maryland USA) so think Robert was the oldest. Alexander is in Personal Property list in Virginia in 1799 so he was most likely 21or above.Think he was born mid 1770's., Robert mid 1760's. I hope someone can help me find this lost branch of our Swan family.
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Hi Iain,
Georges parents George and Alison Banks were married on 1st October 1813, He was coal contractor/gas worker lived in Liberton. I think there was a John Swan born Dec 1815, think maybe Georges brother. He was born at Edgehead Liberton.We have George born on 9th March 1818. Possible christening date would be 5th April. He married Isobella Somerville in 1840. He was 19 and she 18. Had one son George, then one daughter who died before 1851. They lived in Little Jacks Close, canongate in 1841 census. 1851 census 42 Big Jocks Close- George 32, Jane 24, George 11, Phillip Clark (pattern Maker) 16 and Mary Clark (scholar)11 (both siblings to Jane).
George 42 and Jane 34, Living with them (22 St Johns Street) (married In 1850) in 1861 census were:
George 21 (Son of Isabella Somerville and George)
Henrietta 9
William 8
Jane 6
John 5 (your line?)
Mary 1
Mary Clark -21 and Philip Clark - brother and sister of Jane Clark.
Serving Maid also.
In 1871 Census:
George and Mary Clark were Married and lived in 8 East Adams Street. Married in Dec 1867. I think there first Daughter Jessie, was born in 21st October 1967 before they married. (On birth certificate down as illegitimate)
George 52
Mary 31
Henrietta 19
William 18
Jane 16
John 15
Mary 11
Margaret 9
Jessie 3
William 2
Euphameia 1
My granny was born in 1877 - 31 Albert Street -Catherine Banks.
George Swan (1818) was the last moderator of the High Constables of the Canongate which disbanded in1856. He died on the 9th April 1882 in the new RIE of its time, aged 64. He died of Carcinoma of the stomach, pleurasy, pneumonia (left side), cirrhosis of both kidneys, gangrenous left foot. (My daughter added 'misuse of the groin region!') Mary Clark died 1886. Probably from exhaustion!!
George had at least 5 brothers, but haven't looked into this. I remember my mum saying he was the smallest of 6 brothers and he was 6' tall.
I have copies of the minutes of each meeting that Geoge attended of the high constables. Some entries suggested that he was often late and fined for behaviour unbecoming to a business man of the community!!
Hope this helps with your search. If not let me know if can help in any other way
Rena
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Iain,
Found a little bit more info. 1881 census - 115 Albert Street:
George 61 (this is not true as he should be 63)
Mary 41
Jane 26
Mary 21
Margaret 19
Jessie 13 (illegitamate - my great aunt, can only remember her)
Euphemia 11
Jemima 9
Philip 7
Catherine 3 (my granny, who died when I was 5 in 1938)
regards
rena
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Hi Iain & Rena
I tried posting this earlier but it didn't seem to post.
I am connected to this line through Mary Clark. My gr grandmother was Jemima Swan who was married to David Hook Mckenzie. Jemima is Catherine's sister. Jemima and
David has Colin McKenzie. He married Jenny Campbell. They had Colin McKenzie (my father) and Jean. I wonder if you might remember by Aunt Jean. Jean Mckenzie married James Adam. My aunt remembers some of the older family members as well. Jean is now 83 living in Cullen.
I would love to share any info that you have. I have quite a bit of documentation that I could forward.
Please contact me at (*).
I have photo's of Jemima and David but the last time I tried to post them here they didn't upload.
Regards
Irene
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Rena,
As for Catherine did she marry an Alexander Strathdee? if so have found 1 entry for them in the 1901 Census giving that they had a son also named Alexander born 1900.
George had a few siblings, Margaret(1814) & John(1816). Though someone else claims he had another sister born in 1830 named Janet.
Your correct about the 1861 Census about John(5), he was my 2x G Granda. Have you been in contact with an Irene McKenzie? she shares the Swan lineage as well. She is related down through George & Mary and their daughter Jemima(1872).
Will attatch a few images in my next post.
Iain
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Hi Again
Rena, I would love to see copies of the minutes of the High Constables.
I also have photo's of some of the Swan sisters, Euphemia, Kate & Jessie.
Irene
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Irene
Could you e-mail the photos of Sisters?
Cheers
Iain
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Will do
Keep in mind that George and Mary had daughters Euphemia, Catherine, Jessie and Jemima. Jemima and David then named their daughters after Jemima's sisters.
I'll send via email as I don't have much luck posting photo's here
Irene
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Would you consider emailing my daughter the photos aswell. I have photo of my gran - Catherine and birth certificates etc. If we manage to scan will send what I can to your email addresses. Irene I will get my daughter to email you then you will have her address hope this is suitable. Will be after the weekend.
Regards
Rena
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Photo's sent. I hope you receive them. I have just realized that these are not the Swan sisters but the McKenzie sisters. Jemima and Davids daughters. Hopefully your mom may be able to tell me if I have the right name attached to the right women.
I also have quite a bit of documentation that I can share.
Irene
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Anyone have details of George(1818) 1st Marriage to Isabella Somerville?
Have gone through Scotlandspeople and found only 1 child born to the couple, that of Isabella D Swan(1847). The other child George(1840) can't be found. Though in the 1841 Census he is shown along with parents as being George & Isabella.
What else confuses me is that he is supposed and went on to have children, before dying in 1870. The children are supposed to be as follows Mary Anderson Swan, Georgina Isabella Sommerville Swan & James Murray Ramsay Swan. Mary Anderson(1865) may be legit, but the other 2 remain a mystery. Georgina(1871) & James(1872) pose a problem, how if George(1840) if legit can be desceased in 1870 go on and have another 2 kids????
It may be a few weeks before I can look into this, in the meantime has anyone have docs to prove the pedigree??
Iain
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I've just registered with this site, having started to investigate my wife's family tree on her mother's side. Her mother was the late Margaret McKenzie Archibald. Margaret's mother was Margaret ("Meg") McKenzie; daughter of David Hook McKenzie & Jemima Swan. That will make my wife, a great grand-daughter of David & Jemima. The existing posts have got me off to a flying start for which I'm grateful. I'm also reporting my findings to * & her sister * who are daughters of Jessie, another daughter of the said David Hook McKenzie & Jemima Swan...so the said David & Jemima were their grandparents. Like us, * lives in Edinburgh while * is in Oxford where I note one of her relatives seems to have studied!
Happy to share what I can. I plan to visit Rosebank Cemetery in next few days to see the grave of David & Jemima tho I am told by the supervisors of the cemetery that they have no legible stone.
Dark Island
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I am also a great granddaughter of David and Jemima. My grandfather was David & Jemima's son, Colin McKenzie, my father was Colin's son, also Colin. I have loads of info which I would love to share. You can email me at (email address removed, please use PM) I live in Ontario but all my relations are in Scotland. I have many documents as well as a few photo's of Jemima, David and family. There are some interesting facts about the my Scottish relations. * Removed living persons details
I have the cemetery documents for Rosebank. David purchased a double plot (in depth). Others have been to the cemetery but could not find a head stone. I do have the plot info though.
Would love to share info.
Regards
Irene
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Hi Dark Island,
Sorry but I had to remove names of living persons as this against our policy, can I ask you to post again, then you will have made 3 posts, which allows you to use the Personal Message (PM) system, where you can exchange all that family stuff without breaking rules etc. I notice kenzie56_99 has made more than 3 posts, so you can soon be passing messages to each other.
Tom
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I am sorry we have been unable to pass on your new replies to grianaig, Iian has changed his email address and we have not been able to find a new one for him.
Regards
Sarah :)
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I checked Rosebank Cemetery, Leith this morning to trace the grave of David Hook McKenzie & Jemima Swan who are in Plot PW356. Sadly they have no stone marking the grave so nothing to be revealed from any inscription, I do have the plan marking their plot should anybody want directions. The cemetery record holders state that the grave also contains their son James B McKenzie, buried there on 5 March 1933.
Hope the above helps tho sadly nothing to be found at cemetery itself.
Dark Island
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"Just caught up with this thread and remembered that I too have Swan surnames in my tree from Liberton, Midlothian.....starting with William Swan b 1734 whom married a Margaret McAlpine. They had a daughter Isabel b 1759 whom married a Adam Borthwick. William and Margaret also had the following children...
Isabel b 1759
John b 1760
Janet b1763
James b 1766
Marion b 1768
William b 1772
Agnes b 1774
Margaret b 1776"
HI all-I may be direct descendant of James Swan b 1766 as my Edinburgh,Midlothian-born immigrant[Cape Town,South Africa 1879] g-g/father David Knox b circa 1844 was son of Alexander Knox b 1811 Liberton married to Catherine Swan b circa 1816 St Cuthberts,Midlothian,daughter of James Swan [miraculously conceived without female aid?] marriage record Liberton 1843. Alexander Knox was a railway porter at the time. James Swan died circa September 1862. I have 2 pics of handsome dark-haired woman who must be Catherine Swan in my g-g/pop's Edinburgh collection [photographer's details on back,unfortunately nobody thought to record names of subjects!]. With her is a serious-looking dark-haired girl-probably daughter Mary Knox. I only have children David,Alexander and Mary so far. Am I on the right track? Could be cousins as James et al are very common Scots names and up to my pop's generation,middle names seem uncommon..
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Hi Alistair,
You'll see from earlier posts my wife's Swan link. The only data I presently have on "James" is as undernoted. You see that John had 2 sons both called "James" but the elder died young but typically they called a younger son "James" too. I have some earlier material should you wish it:
John (4) m. Janet Hislop (b 28 Jan’ & baptised 2 May 1764 in Liberton Kirk to George Hislop & Elizabeth Hewet) on 27 Dec 1793 at Liberton & had sons born in Liberton:
a) George (5) b. 30 Oct & baptised 16 Nov 1794 in Liberton; d 8 Dec 1870 in 25 New St. Edinburgh.
b) Francis b. 24 May & baptised 5 June 1796 in Liberton; m Marion Gordon on 16 Aug 1815 at Canongate when he was 19; d 17 July 1865 in Cockpen, Midlothian aged 69.
c) John b. Stonehouse, Liberton on 2 Jan & baptised 14 Jan 1798;
d) James b. 29 June 1800; m Jean Falconer on 9 Jan 1818 in Liberton.
e) Walter b. 8 July 1803 in Liberton; m Catherine Gilchrist on 19 Feb 1830 at Liberton.
f ) James b.c. 1804 in Liberton; d. 23 Feb 1882 in Ednam, Roxburgh.
Regards
Dark Island