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Title: Help reading cause of death
Post by: SylviaE on Thursday 10 February 05 14:53 GMT (UK)
As suggested in my earlier topic "help needed reading death cert" I have tried to scan just the cause of death which I am having trouble reading.

I did try to post this on the original topic but it won't have it so here's hoping:
 
Title: Re: Help reading cause of death
Post by: hlbradd on Thursday 10 February 05 14:56 GMT (UK)
Suicide - throwing herself out of window ?

At least that's what it looks like to me :o

Helen x
Title: Re: Help reading cause of death
Post by: Mobo on Thursday 10 February 05 15:09 GMT (UK)
 :) :) :)

I would say "Suicide by throwing herself out a window", but I can't can't get the rest - perhaps it's Latin - something Morte ?

 :) :) :)

 
Title: Re: Help reading cause of death
Post by: Willow 4873 on Thursday 10 February 05 15:17 GMT (UK)
Pretty sure it says 'suicide by throwing herself out of a window'

The last bit I think it might be Latin

'internal' something 'formidable'

or it might read 'witnessed by her family'

Have you tried to get a copy of the coroners report?

Willow x
Title: Re: Help reading cause of death
Post by: lizdb on Thursday 10 February 05 15:19 GMT (UK)
Yep, I agree -
Suicide by throwing herself out a window (something).(something) of (something)

I'm still working on the somethings!!!!

Glad you managed to rescan it
Title: Re: Help reading cause of death
Post by: legs11 on Thursday 10 February 05 15:21 GMT (UK)
hi

I agree with helen,

"suicide by throwing herself out of window"
the rest not real sure, but last bit looks like "out of mind"

sorry thats the best i could do.

legs
Title: Re: Help reading cause of death
Post by: Willow 4873 on Thursday 10 February 05 15:22 GMT (UK)
Think that middle word might be 'morte'

death from formidable internal injuries it would translate as

Willow x
Title: Re: Help reading cause of death
Post by: lizdb on Thursday 10 February 05 15:28 GMT (UK)
I go with Legs 11
Last word is 'mind'

Possibly (something) state of mind?
Title: Re: Help reading cause of death
Post by: Biker on Thursday 10 February 05 15:29 GMT (UK)
Hello,

suicide by throwing herself out of a window
unsound
state of mind

That's my guess and sorry to hear of it  :(

Regards
Jonathan
Title: Re: Help reading cause of death
Post by: SylviaE on Thursday 10 February 05 15:32 GMT (UK)
Thank you all for taking the time to look at this.  Now you come to mention it, it does look like throwing herself out of a window.  And could well be disturbed state of mind. Don't know why I couldn't see it myself  :-[

This death certificate only arrived this morning and gave me quite a start - I wasn't expecting to see a suicide, especially as she was buried in St Margarets Westminster - I thought the church had "issues" with suicides.

My next course of action is to try and find out if its possible to get a copy of the coroners report.

I'm off to the London board to see if anyone can tell me where I can get an 1850 Saint Pancras Coroners Report from....

Thanks once again for all your help

Sylvia  
Title: Re: Help reading cause of death
Post by: lizdb on Thursday 10 February 05 15:36 GMT (UK)
I dont know, but my guess would be to try the London Metropolitan Archives.
They have a website which lists on it somewhere all that they hold, very clearly.
But i cant remember address!
Title: Re: Help reading cause of death
Post by: Willow 4873 on Thursday 10 February 05 15:48 GMT (UK)
I didn't notice the year she died Sylvia but it used to be that suicides were buried on one part of the churchyard

I think it might have been the east side of the church which was reserved for this purpose as it was listed as unconsecrated ground but no doubt someone will correct me if I'm wrong

This is quite a good link which tells you all about burial laws

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03508a.htm

Willow x
Title: Re: Help reading cause of death
Post by: legs11 on Thursday 10 February 05 15:52 GMT (UK)
good luck with your search and sorry to hear about that death.

legs
Title: Re: Help reading cause of death
Post by: KathyM on Thursday 17 March 05 12:20 GMT (UK)
Try to look for a newspaper report too !  I have found that to be easier than locating coroner's reports.
Title: Re: Help reading cause of death
Post by: corinne on Monday 28 March 05 03:00 BST (UK)
The last couple of lines aren't cause of death at all - it is "informant Martha(?) J...." - can't quite read the name without a few more clues.  It is quite usual on a death certificate to have the informants name in this column.  The cause of death is as others have stated: "Suicide by throwing herself out a window".   
Title: Re: Help reading cause of death
Post by: KathyM on Monday 28 March 05 09:36 BST (UK)
I think it says -

unsound
state of mind