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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wicklow => Topic started by: Alma on Friday 06 February 09 22:24 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Any advice as to how I can get a photograph taken of the Judd graves at this Cemtery. They were listed in Brian Cantwells list and I have all the details of the folks buried in the Judd graves - all grouped together but no photograph! Not the weather to be thinking about this though its summer in my part of the globe.
Thanks
Alma
Dunedin
NZ
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Hi
Any advice as to how I can get a photograph taken of the Judd graves at this Cemtery. They were listed in Brian Cantwells list and I have all the details of the folks buried in the Judd graves - all grouped together but no photograph! Not the weather to be thinking about this though its summer in my part of the globe.
Thanks
Alma
Dunedin
NZ
Hi Alma
This I have in my collection but as I could not locate it have someone on the way to take a new photo of it for me
unless the old appears........then I will see where to send on to you
I have stood beside that headstone it is in good order
Cara
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Hi Cara
I recall a relative of yours was gong to photograph but the rain came down. It will be great to get a photo if possible. I do have a photo of the church I think and the surrounding graveyard but no close up of the grave..the photo of the churchyard I managed to track down on the 'net. However would love a photo of that particular grave. Coming to Oz in Sept!
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Hi Alma
Yes that is still on the list of to do things, But I must point out to you that I feel that you may be in the wrong area for this graveyard, Kilcommon yes but not the one at Tinahely, as I feel this may be where you found the church, the only church in this graveyard is in fact three walls, and not an easy one to take a photo of. Do you still have my email address if so give me a mail and I will explain further about the church, that is unless someone else on here desires to know about this graveyard in Co Wicklow
Cheers from here
Cara
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Hi Alma,
A lady called Judd still lives in Wicklow. Her relatives are buried in Kilcommon, I wounder if you are both related in some way.
J.M.F.
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Alma,
Forgot to say she was 93 yrs old this Month, and still very active. Bakes her own bread, scones, & apple tarts etc.,
JMF
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Hello
I have no idea if this lady is related or otherwise! A pity! and yes, I must ensure that the graveyard I mention is the one with the old ruined church - thanks Cara
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Would there be a grave for a John Peppard/Pepper from around 1850-1920 in the Kilcommon graveyard by any chance?
RoryT
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The only John Pepper I have is buried in Wicklow town Graveyard
Erected by John Pepper, in memory of His affectionate Wives, Mary who died 21st of August 1853, aged 38 years/ Elizabeth who died the 21st of Janaury of 1878 aged 44 years.
That is the only reference I have to a John Pepper in Wicklow in fact the only John Pepper for all stones I have
Cheers
Cara
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Hi Rory,
This grave is known as Kilcummin / Kilcommon. I cannot find any mention of Peppard in this cemetery.
However in Wicklow Church of Ireland is the following:
"Pepper, Mary. Erected by / John Pepper / in memory of his / affectionate wives / Mary who died the 21st of August 1853 aged 38 yrs / Elizabeth who died the 21st January 1878 aged 44 years. (Note two lines of an inscription in Italics (a prayer?) have been erased from this memorial)".
Cantwell, Brian. Memorials of the Dead, South East Section. (Privatelly published)
Any help
JMF
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Thanks JMF and Cara for the info. I have been looking at this John Pepper for a long time and haven't yet established if he is my ancestor. The fact that he is CoI might be a good lead as it explains a couple of other bits of info from the family history. It is also interesting that he had 2 wives.
Thanks again for the info.
RoryT
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Our family have some Judds buried at Kilcommon graveyard. There is definitely a John Judd Jr. (the 11 yr. old son of John Judd). We descended from Ambrose Judd (1632-1726) of Brandon Ferry, England who came to Ballymorrin, C. Wicklow.
They were originally Quakers, but it was very likely John Judd who became Catholic when he shot and killed his son (a young boy) by mistake.
Ambrose was the son of Laurence Judd of Brandon Ferry who was born in 1602. He, in turn, was descended from Andrew Judd(e) of Tonbridge, Kent, England (1490-1558).
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Hello!
Do you have a photograph of the grave? I too have links to that family. Do you have the tree? I could find it here for you but unfortunately I have been able to get a photograph of the graves as yet.
Alma
NZ
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We have a family tree for the Judds. One of my great uncles was a genealogy buff and he wrote a small book tracing our Judd ancestors back to Ralph Judd of Tonbridge, Kent born in 1280.
Are you our lost lost cousin?
Susan
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Hello!
Do you have a photograph of the grave? I too have links to that family. Do you have the tree? I could find it here for you but unfortunately I have been able to get a photograph of the graves as yet.
Alma
NZ
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I am related via Mary Anne Judd who married William Critchley of Bray, Co Wicklow. Mary Anne died in 1862 and was buried at Kilcommon in the Judde grave as documented by Brian Cantwell. The Critchley line from the marriage has been researched rather extensively by me.
"Alma"
NZ
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Hi.
Looking at my notes on The Judd family I came across the following. Hope it will fit into your family some time.
Irish Manuscripts Commission: Quaker Records Dublin : Abstracts of Wills
Edited By P. Beryl Eustace and Olive C. Goodbody . Clearfield Company Inc.
125 Judd, Peter, Dublin, tallow chandler.
To my daughter Rachel Pim, executrix, two houses etc. in Big Butter Lane, Dublin wherein Christopher Deey and the Widow Bolinbroke now live subject to payment of £6 and a suger loaf and after her death to her children. To my son-in-law John Pim, executor, the house wherein I now dwell in Big Butter Lane, subject to £10 and sugar load yearly, also implements and tools belonging to the soap boiling and chandling business. To the children of Rachel Pim 5 houses on north side of Big Butter Lane now in tenancy of Widow Mercer, James Barden, Alderman Hunt, Widow Mitchell and Widow Dabyac, subject to yearly rent of £20 and one sugar loaf.
To my grandson Peter Judd lease of grounds on south side of Big Butter Lane held from Widow Bors with houses and improvements thereon, John and Rachel Pim to be his guardians during minority. To my granddaughter Hannah Judd £80 when 21 years. To my daughter-in-law Hannah Judd 5/-. To my servant Catherine Tracy £6. Residue to John and Rachel Pim.
By codicil Peter Judd to have all utensils etc. of soap boiling and chandling trade if he is able to follow it, if not they are to be sold and profit given half to Peter Judd and half to granddaughter Ann Pim.
Dated 13 Nov. 1755. Codicil dated 3 March 1757.
Witnesses: Wm. Jacob, Beaumt. Astle, James Russell.
D.5.276
J.M.
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Alma, Rory T & Cara
A little bit extra on the Judd name in Wicklow. Because your ancestor ‘Pepper’ was buried in Church of Ireland Churchyard in Wicklow, it does not mean they were C of I as many Catholic burials also took place in this Churchyard.
The Judd lady in Wicklow is still hale & hardy but bad on the feet. She will celebrate her 95th birthday in May of this year P.G. Her birth was registered by her Mother. “Daughter of John Judd, Wicklow, Occupation Sailor & Annie McCarthy”.
Her parents John & Annie were married only 4 yrs they had 3 children when her father died. She is the last of these three. Her mother re-married.
"Mate John Judd: Mercantile Marine age 24 " [bc 1893] "Drowned in sinking of S.S. "Walter Ulric" 29th March 1917.
Husband of Annie" [nee McCarthy] "Judd, Strand Street, Wicklow. Name on Tower Hill Memorial, London" Ref. 3 Mercantile Marine 1914-1918 p.4.
C 1911 b26.2 Harold’s Cross Road, (Terenure Dublin)
Ambrose Judd age 54yrs [bc 1857] born Co Wicklow Roman Catholic, occ= Skinner & Farmer. Married 22 yrs 2 children born 1 alive.
Boarding with, Letitia & John Judd. John, head of household age 63 yrs [bc 1848] born Co Wicklow. Tramway Conductor married 19 yrs 1 child born nil alive. Also on this census Henry Baker born City of Dublin age 9 yrs. relation to head = Adopted child
Cannot find any “Ambrose” in 1901 for all Ireland
Hearth Money Rolls, Co Wicklow 1669. This was a tax on fireplaces and kilns
Parish of Ennisboheene (sic) Townland: Ballytuskin [Ballyteskin] p 63. Ambrose Jud (sic) had 1 hearth. (1 fireplace)
Ennisboyne: In 1487 the rectory of the parish church of Ynisboyn was held by Geoffrey Ybryn, (sic) Cannon of Leighlin.
Price, Liam. Place-Names of County Wicklow. VII -Baronies of Newcastle & Arklow (Dublin 1983)
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To JMF
Thanks for the latest post. I had noted that the Judd family were Quakers at one time and wonder when they first arrived in Ireland. Anything extra on the family is always welcome. Thanks again :) "Alma"
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:)I have been trying to research the Judd family for years and finally got some info I could use! I noticed your posts and apparently I am also a descendant of Ambrose Judd. My great grandfather was Michael Judd and had 4 children, one of which was my grandmother Martha Judd Lowry. She married Peter J Lowry in the late 1800s. I am so excited to finally be able to begin the search for my relatives. My grandmother and mother never talked about the family back in Ireland. If you know anything that would be of help, please let me know!
Lexie
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Hi Alma,
Wicklow local historian Stan O' Reilly:
There was a Judd man sentenced to be transported from Wicklow Gaol in 1799 to New Holland. (Australia) He was an innocent man, also called Thomas, and accused of breaking into the dairy of Sarah Tighe at Ashford. Only one man gave evidence against him, the actual thief, who gave Judd some of the butter he robbed, afterwards. Judd was caught with this butter and tried. Lord Cornwallis in Dublin Castle signed off on all sentences handed down at this time and recognised it all as a frame up, to get Judd out of the way. Even to the point of having the real thief give evidence against him. Why???? I think because Judd was known to be tied up with the rebel movement of 1798 and that the authorities knew he was involved but, could never prove it. That's why they tried Judd and not the actual robber, to remove him from the country. It was not the first time this had happened.
c 1901 b10 Kilmantin Hill, Wicklow Who are the following?
1 Michael Judd head of household, Roman Catholic could read & write 80 yrs old (bc 1921) Retired Skinner, Married, born Co Wicklow. Michael deaf.
2 Ann Judd, wife, RC. R&W. 70 yrs old (bc 1831) no occ. married, born Co Wicklow.
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Its been a wile since the last posting on this topic
While looking for a marriage on Irish Genealogy i spotted the following on the same page
John Thope of Roundtown son of John and Margaret of Bray to
Bridget Reilly dtr of Bernard and Susan of Templeogue in St Andrew 22nd Sep 1875
In the comments section beside the marriage the priest has written name should be Judd not Thorp
Searching for the marriage as John Judd and Bridget Reilly brings up the marriage but not properly transcribed,however searching for the marriage as John JUDGE and Bridget Reilly brings the marriage up
properly transcribed to view church register.
Hope this is of use to someone researching the Judd's.
Dathai.
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From reading reply 16 on this topic i believe this John Judd is the same man who married Letitia Mooney in 1891.
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John Judd age 12 with the Critchley family in Pimlico in 1901 is probably a son from the first marriage.
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Cara,
I just saw your post regarding the Judd family graves in Kilcommon. My great great grandfather was John Judd b. Abt 1775 to Julia. My great grandfather was Michael Judd married to Anne Byrne. Any chance you have a photo or have seen that grave?
Lexie1b
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Hi.
If I had of read this posting earlier I could have fulfilled the original wish of photos of the Judd graves and headstones. I managed to get to Kilcommon graveyard just a couple of weeks back looking for headstones I was interested in myself. While the summer time is the time to be out and about, this old graveyard when I visited was very much overgrown. As I live not too far away I will get back in the winter months for a visit as I was unable to locate the headstones I was after myself.
To the back of the ruins of the old Church stands the Judd Tomb as well as some Judd headstones. The Tomb is an impressive piece standing maybe four foot tall and made of marble not quite matching its surroundings. Two War Graves have been restored in the same graveyard and the following link http://www.ssdriverbros.com/blog/ has pictures showing what the graveyard looks like in the winter months. Possibly these builders may have photographed some of the headstones when they were there.
If anyone gets to the graveyard before I manage to get back the headstones I was interested in were for a Smith family that lived at Dunbur , Wicklow, and I have two Webster burials in the same graveyard. A Sarah Webster( Nee Smith) 1910 and her daughter Elizabeth 1921.
John
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I am excited to see this reply. I know my ggfather Michael Judd had a monument of some sort built to honor his father John Judd and it sounds like the overgrown graveyard might be the place in kilcommon. I would assume Michael Judd and his wife Anne Byrne Judd would be buried there also. I am stll tracing.
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Hi Lexie.
My wife was with me when I visited Kilcommon and we were trying to think what would be the best word to describe what I called a Tomb, and you are right, it is a monument. About four foot tall, maybe seven foot long and three foot wide. It is impressive to look at where it stands in this old graveyard. As I said the graveyard is well overgrown at the moment and no way as easy to get around as it might look if you got to look at the photos in the link I posted.
If you get to go looking for the graveyard yourself, it is on the road from Glenealy to Rathdrum and closer to the latter on the right hand side of the road. There would seem to be what looks like a right of way from the road to the graveyard but on the day that we were there this too was very much overgrown but there were people at the farm who let us cross through the yard and up the field to the graveyard.
As of the Judd family, unfortunately I would know nothing on them. My interest in the graveyard is in the names previously mentioned. I will when I get back photograph the monument for you, unless someone gets to do it before me.
John
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Hello John,
Thank you for your posting - very imformative. If you do return to the Cemetery I would really appreciate photos of the Judde Grave as Mary Ann Judd Critchley who is buried in that family plot was my g.grandmother. I do have the transcription of the Memorial but no photographs and as I live in New Zealand. I knew the Cemetery was none too easy to access but I did not realise the extent of it. I am sure I will be notified by rootschat should you return to the Cemetery for photos as I am sure you will post to advise. Genealogy is just fascinating and we are most happy with our Judde ancestors. If you wish to have my offline email details I am happy to supply. Warm regards
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Hi Alma.
I will get back in the Autumn which won't be too long to wait and when the growth is all gone back and take a few snaps. I will post these to the board.
This is only pure coincidental I would say but I had reason to visit the Church of Ireland Church in Wicklow town today which is not too far away from Kilcommon Graveyard and I see the visitors book signed by a Judd from Yakima in the USA.
John.
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Hello John
That is interesting. I know from the tree I have that Judd family members reside in USA.
The Judd family were prominent in London in Elizabethan times and there is a Memorial to Sir Andrew Judde in St Helens,Bishopsgate. My links to them are through the Critchley family, of Bray, Co Wicklow and I have visited Bray and St Pauls Church where there are family headstones in the graveyard dating back to early 1800s but did not get to Kilcommon because of time restraints. Good luck with the autumn trip, John.
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Alma,
Your grandmother Mary Ann Critchley is my grandmother's sister. I am pretty certain that this is true. My grandmother was Martha Judd and her parents were Michael Judd and Anne Byrne. We may be related!!,
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Hi Lexie
I have Mary Ann's parents as John Judd 1775-1856 and Julia 1778-1854.
Their children: John Judd Jnr 1800-1811, Thomas 1804-1833,Mary 1805-1809, Ambrose 1811-1837, Mary Anne 1812-1862 (married William Critchley), John 1818-1901 married Margaret Kelly 1826-1878)
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Alma, I do think we are related! You are descended from some of the same Judd's as I! I have a family tree on ancestory named the JuddLowry tree. Please check it out and see if you think we may be related. My great grandfather is Michael Judd and I am pretty sure we are descendants of Ambrose.
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Hi
I am not a member of Ancestry and cannot access the information. You would need to send me details, perhaps in a personal message.
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I was in the graveyard this morning & took photos of the Judd graves for you
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Hi Fidelma. What is the graveyard like at the moment. I presume very overgrown . Would love to get back and have a look again. John
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Hi John, sadly it isn't in good repair with some parts very overgrown. Hoping to return soon as I know my ancestors are buried there but have not found the headstone.
I have tried to upload the Judd photos a couple of times but they never appear. Unsure why.
Fidelma
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I have tried to upload the Judd photos a couple of times but they never appear
Are you trying to add your images to this topic ?
Regards
Sarah
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Hi Fidelma.
Thanks for getting back to me. Its a pity for it be so overgrown. Lovely spot. What headstones are you interested in. I took some photos when there .May or may not have something of interest.
John.
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Hi John, the family surname is Ward. Loughlin Ward, his wife Anne & 6 children, possibly his brother Stephen also. The tragic story is just unfolding through great research being done by my cousin.
We hope to do another trip to Kilcommon soon but if you happen to have any photos that would be amazing.
I hope the Judd family got their photos because they seem not to want to upload here for me.
Many thanks John
Fidelma
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I have not as yet been able to locate any photos of the Judd/Judde graves and would be thrilled to receive copies as I am a direct descendant. I have sent personal message in the hope that we may have some success!
Alma
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Delighted to receive the photographs, thanks to Rootschat & Fidelma. Mary Anne Critchley Judd was my g.g.grandmother so the photographs of special interest to me.
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Correction to my latest post - Mary Anne Judd - married William Critchley. I will treasure these photographs!
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Grave photograph 1 of 4 and transcription
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Photographs 2 & 3 of Judd Graves
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Photograph 4 Judd Grave and Kilcommon Graveyard
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The source of the transcription of Judd Graves : Brian J. Cantwell's (1914-1992) Memorials for the Dead
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My self and my brother Liam Kinsella visited Killcommon graveyard recently as Liam in interested in clearing the graveyard of some large trees which are breaking some of the gravestones and the vegetation which is covering lots of the old gravestones, when we were there we were impressed by the Judd tomb which is very large and impressive and contains a list of all the Judd family who are buried in the graveyard . James Kinsella
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photoes of Killcommon