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Hi!
Could someone look up the 1901 census for Brecon, I am looking for my husbands G/Grandparents William Price and his wife Anne,
they are on the 1891 census living at PWLLUCHAF farm Trianglais,they moved to live in the Neath area after 1901 census but don`t know when, the last child on the1891 census was William Morgan age 1yr but they had 12 children in all, also Elinor Evans and her son David John who was my husbands Grandfather and who married Rachel mary the daughter of William Price, Elinor lived with her son and mother at Cwmhydfer farm, any help would be appreciated. Thanks Margaret. :)
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Hi Margaret
1901
There is this chap who is a boarder
David Evans head mar 47 farmer Breconshire Frianmount?
Jane " wife mar 46 Camarthan LLanwrtyd?
William M Price boarder u/m 11 in school Breconshire Traiangles?
living at Ffsddn Farm?, Traiangles, Breconshire,
Rg13/ 5166
folio 19
page 1
Could this be the son from the 1891 census
ricky
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1901
A possible
William Price head mar 44 farmer Brecons Traiangles
Anna " wife mar 36 " "
Hannah " dau u/m 17 " "
Thomas " son u/m 15 " "
Rachel " dau u/m 13 at school " "
Rees " son u/m 9 " " "
Margaret " dau u/m 7 " " "
Sarah " dau u/m 5 " " "
Blodwen " dau u/m 3 " "
Glynd?? " son u/m 11 months " "
living at Pwlluchaf farm, Traiangles, Breconshire
Rg13/ 5166
folio 28
page 4
Anna looks like Anne on the census sheet
regards
ricky
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Hi Margaret
1901 a possible for David Evans
Elinor Evans head wid 45 farmer Brecons Traiangles
David " son u/m 16 farmers son " "
David Morgan cousin u/m 48 carter on farm "
living at Cwmhydfer, Traiangles, Breconshire
Rg13/ 5166
folio 29
page 6
regards
ricky
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Hi! Ricky 1.
First, I like the terrier, we had one just like that called Skip we bread jacks for years my daughter has three,we are just 1 sheepdog at the moment.
Many thanks for looking at my quiry, the two are spot on, so they where still in Brecon in 1901,that still gives me the problem as to when they came to the Neath area.. many thanks Marg.
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Hi Margaret
Your welcome,
;) ;) Jake wasnt a terrier he was a cross between a King Charles and a Whippet :D :D. Your not the first to think he was a Terrier, even our Vet did, till I explained that I had seen his parents.
Good luck with your research
regards
ricky
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O dear, don`t tell me, What little bit is the King Charles ;D
Marg..
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;D ;D
the mother was King Charles and the father was a Whippet. His back legs were faster than his front legs when he ran :D :D
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Hi1Ricky, I can imagine him falling over himself,
We had a lurcher a few years back, greyhoundxbedlingtonxsheepdog,brindle in colour he was the fastest thing I`ve ever seen and huge but an old softie,now what a lot of useless information , marg.. ;D ::)
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;D ;D ;D
hi Margaret,
dont matter what breed the dogs are great pets, we now have a rescued Greyhound, laziest thing on four legs, well on three and half legs :( Some idiot had removed part of his front paw, and didnt do a proper job, so now he walks with a bad limp. But he gets about..
Good luck with your researching
regards
ricky
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Sorry Ricky, can I bother you again?
These children of William Price and Anne, on the 1901 census Elizabeth the first Daughter is missing she might have gone out to work , which I have a feeling she did, I don`t think she married at that age, would it be possible for you to have a look for me sometime.she would be 19yrs bornin1882and born in Llywel Breconshire,... many thanks again Marg :)
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Hi Margaret
Not a problem
do you think this might be her on the 1901
Elizabeth Price serv u/m 19 maids domestic Brecons Traiangles
living in the house hold of Howell Walkins? and family
at Blaenwysg?, Traiangles, Breconshire
Rg13/ 5166
folio 29
page 5
there are a few more about but none with a birth place of Llywel :-\
ricky
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Hi Ricky, Yes this could be Elizabeth, was BLAENWYSG a farm or house, and was the name WATKINS or Walkins?? what other family were living there, sometimes that gives you a clue if they are related,when you found William Morgan Price he was a boarder on a farm with David Evans, it seems that when another child came along they sent one off somwhere, they had 12 children in all 1 every 2yrs (NO TV) ;D
the details you sent of the 1901 census went up to Glynd?? they had another 2 after that David and Daniel..Marg
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Hi Margaret
1901
;D ;D
Made a booby its Walkins
Howell Walkins head mar 63 farmer Breconshire Traiangles
Mary Ann " dau u/m 34 "
David Morgan " son u/m 18 "
Johnny " son u/m 15 "
Elizabeth Price serv u/m 19 maid domestic "
Fred Wilcox serv u/m 19 general servant London
next door are
Morgan Walkins head mar 60 farmer Breconshire Traiangles
Anne " wife mar 50 Camarthenshire Tringas?
Rachel " dau u/m 34 Breconshire Traiangles
Nathaniel " son u/m 27 "
Anne " dau u/m 23 "
Lizzock? " dau u/m 21 "
Mary " dau u/m 17 "
Owen " son u/m 15 "
William Morgan " son u/m 13 at school "
Jane " dau u/m 10 " "
Thomas " son u/m 8 " "
It don't say if its a farm house , just the name as given, or as close as I can get to transcribing it
regards
ricky
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Hi! that was quick, not watching the rugby then... ;D It seems that the 2 neibours are belonging doesn`t it but not Elizabeth to them, Elizabeth married but we don`t know if she married in Brecon or here in Neath,she had no children, one day sitting having tea with her husband he collapsed and died,she never got over his death and went into a mental hospital where she stayed for the rest of her life, date of death yet unknown.. Many thanks Ricky i would`nt have got this far without your help ... Marg. :)
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Hi Margaret
Your very welcome, and good luck, roll on the 1911 census, perhaps we can get some answer's to our questions then ;) ;)
regards
rick
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Hi Ricky, thought I would let you know being that you had been so helpful with this family.of ours, I found Elizabeths marriage on the bmd but wasn`t sure which one she had married, so on a visit to my husbands sister here in the village I asked her if she new his name, "Hang on I`ve got a button box of Elizabeths with his pocket watch inside" she said, it had been given to her by Elizabeths sister Sarah,on the watch was his name Thomas Williams and they were married in Dec 1905 and she thought that they had moved to Bristol at some time and kept a small shop before comming to live here in the village, so never throw anything away you never know what little bit of history it holds,
Regards Margaret...
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Hi Margaret
Thats a great find, I bet you was pleased about it :) :). Glad it all worked out in the end, and thankyou for telling me about. I dont throw anything away, you only have to ask my OH that. ;D ;D ;D
Good Luck
regards
ricky
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Hi Ricky,its the nag again...
Do you happen to have access to the 1871 census for Brecon??
Its for CWmhydfer farm again, is Elinor Jones on it? as her mother is on the 1881Mary Powell 48yrs and on the 1891 as Mother58yrs. Elinor was born in 1856 so she should be on the 1861, was she born out of wedlock perhaps thats why she is jones
Thanks for any help Margaret :-[
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Hi Margaret
think this might be them
1871
Rees Powell head u/m 58? farmer 72 acres Breconshire Traianglas?
Mary Powell sister u/m 39 " "
Elinor Jones niece u/m 15 " "
Elizabeth Powell niece u/m 5 " "
David Morgan serv u/m 16 farm serv " "
living at Cwnhydfer?, Llywell and Traianglas, Breconshire
Rg10/ 5577
folio 37
page 1
The Walkins? are just up the road from them
ricky
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1861
David Powell head wid 79 farmer 72 acres Breconshire Llywell
Rees " son u/m 48 farmers son "
Mary " dau u/m 28 " dau "
Elinor Jones gr/dau u/m 5 "
David Jones serv u/m 19 farm serv Cardiganshire ???
Elizabeth Davies serv u/m 19 serv maid Camarthenshire Gwynt??
Living at Cwmhydfer?, Llywell, Breconshire
Rg9/ 4209
folio 48
page 9
ricky
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Hello Ricky, thanks for all the information I`m still confused about Elinor being Jones and her mother Powell.. On the 1881 census PWLLISHAF farm, this is somehow connected to the Powell family at Cwmhydfer, you couldn`t by any chance find the 1851 census for Cwmhydfer and let me know the family there at that time??? Many thanks for all your help with this..Marg. ???
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hi Margaret
1851
David Powell head mar 69 farmer 150 acres Brecons Careylwyd?
Silia? " wife mar 6 " Llandd??
Rees " son u/m 39 farmers son " Leicastle?
Elinor " dau u/m 29 farmers dau " Tylia?
Mary " dau u/m 19 " " "
Thomas Evans gr/son u/m 10 farmers son " "
living at Tylaimawr?, Llywell, Brecons
H0107/ 2489
folio 100
page 4 & 5
ricky
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Thank you Ricky,still confused,but there is another Elinor on this one,I think I will have to get a birth cert for Elinor Jones and go from there,it has been said in the family that the Powell name was carried on by putting it as a second name because the children never married and the Powell name would have died out, Cwmhydfer farm was eventually farmed by ELinor Evans, nee Jones who was the G/Daughter of David Powell,we think, and my husbands G/Grandmother, so was David Powell my husbands G/G/Grandfather... hence the confusion.. many thaks again Marg..
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Hi Margaret
think that is the best bet to get the birth cert, it is a very confusing family you have there ;D ;D
Please let me know how you get on, as would like to know
all the best
ricky
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Hi Ricky, like the new photo ;D, another favour please,have you got the 1841 census information on this family? looking at the information you sent last,there is a Thomas Evans G/son age 10, also there seems to be a big gap in the ages of the siblings,39.29.and 19yrs, I think they had more children and they married hence the G/children, perhaps the 1841 could shed some light on that,
thanks in advance Marg..
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Good Evening Margaret :)
1841
David Powell 60 farmer born in county
Sisby? " 50 "
Rees " 25 "
Eleanore " 20 "
Margaret " 20 "
Mary " 8 "
Thomas Evans 3 months "
living at Tylemaw?, Llywell. Breconshire
H0107/ 1367/ 10
folio 5
page 11
The census's arnt being very good for us on this family
regards
ricky
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Hi Ricky, No, the 1841 never gives a lot of detail does it? I was hoping that a Gwenllian would be there,she is married to a Timothy Jonesand they have a daughter Gwen POWELL jones age 4yrs living at Pwllishaf farm.this is why I thought there was a link to these families, I have found some dates when the family moved from Brecon to Neath , both william Price and David John Evans, Davids G/Grandfather and Grandfather, his Grandfather rented the farm for £45 per annum, not bad for 100 + acres before they bought it at a later date, and I found Elizabeth and her husbands grave at our local cemetery, so I feel I am getting somewhere with this family, but I can only apologies for being such a pest,i`ll give you some peace now. REgards Margaret....
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Hi Margaret
your very welcome, just sorry that the census's didnt do the family any justice on the lookups
regards
ricky
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Hi Ricky, I`m back to nag you ;D I have the marriage cert of Eleanor Jones, her father on it is David Jones farmer, she married David Evans as we know, living at YNISFAWR farm Traianglaes at the time of his marriage father DANIEL EVANS deceased, David Evans was born 1855 as he is 28yrs on the cert in 1883...I have found him on the 1881 census a farm servant at Ynisfawr and John Evans is the farmer, he I think is the witness on the cert, could be a reletive,, can you look up the 1861 census for me and see if you could find this family? Sorry I don`t know Daniels Wife name, Thank you Margaret
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Hi Margaret
1861
the only one I can find with a father Daniel is this one
Daniel Evans head mar 35 farm bailiff Breconshire Llywel?
Gwenny? " wife mar 35 " "
Sarah " dau u/m 13 scholar " "
David " son u/m 5 " " Brecon
Gwinllian? " dau u/m 3 " Llandefailog?
Daniel " son u/m 8 months " "
living at Persondy?, Llandyfaelog?, Breconshire
Rg9/ 4211
folio 52
page 13
Do's this sound about right :-\
Not sure of the place of birth for some of the family
regards
ricky
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Hi Margaret
Have found this family in the 1841
David Evans 54 minister Not born in county
Sarah " 43 Born in county
Daniel " 17 "
Ann " 14 "
John " 10 "
David " 9 "
living at Llywell, Breconshire
H0107/ 1367/ 10
folio 12
page 3
Hi Margaret, the ages are about right for Daniel in 1861 and John in 1881
ricky
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Ricky, your a gem...
I don`t know if its the right family but it looks good to me,can you check the 1871 for this family for me, and I will have a look for Pesondy on the 1881.many thanks .... Margaret.
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Hi Margaret
I think Persondy was the name of a house, cos next door is this house Llandefaelog Rectory
regards
ricky
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Hi Margret
1871
for John Evans
John Evans head mar 40 farmer 100 acres Brecon Llywel
Gwenllian " wife mar 43 "
Enoch " son u/m 12 "
David " son u/m 7 "
Sarah " dau u/m 9 "
Margaret Griffiths serv u/m 25 gen serv Camarthanshire
living at Alltyfan?, Llywel, Traiangles, Brecon
Rg10/ 5577
folio 30
page 4
ricky
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1871
I think this is David Evans
David Evans serv u/m 16 servant Brecon Llywel
living in the household of John and Mary Lewis and family at
Pantrymaes Fm?, Devynock, Breconshire
Rg10/ 5577
folio 65
page 7
Not 100% sure of the spelling of the farm where he is living
ricky
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Hi Margaret
1871
For Daniel Evans, this is the only one I could find, his age is out by a couple of years and he has differnt wife I think ???, see what you think, as the daughter is about the right age
Daniel Evans head mar 42 farm serv Brecon Llywel
Elizabeth " dau u/m 38 " Llamynies?
Rees " son u/m 3 " Cantref?
Thomas " son u/m 1 " "
John Williams step/son u/m 17 postman? " Cantref?
Gwen Evans dau u/m 13 scholar " LLandenarlog?
Living at Lower Cantreff, Cantref, Breconshire
Rg10/ 5579
folio 35
page 2
Not 100% sure of the spelling for the birth places on some of the family, plus Rees might be Prees transcribed as such, but I think its Rees
regards
ricky
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Hi Ricky, Yes I think you are right on the 1841 census, it was thought in the family that Dadcus`..(oops sorry) David John evans, my husbands G/fathers G/Father was a minister but it seems that hisGreat/Grandfather was, quite chuffed that you found that,THANKS..
Will be in touch tomorrow about the other dates thanks again Good night Marg..
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:o :o :o :o
;D ;D ;D
nite Margaret
regards
ricky
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HElloaa Ricky, had a chat this after with my B/I/Law Edwin,(davids sisters husband,the one with the button box) and he confirmed that this is the right family, the 1841 census,David married Sarah Lewis and the children are right on the census, when Daniel, David Evans father died David went to work on his fathers brothers John Evans farm YNYSFAWR and it was from this farm that he married Elinor Jones, my husbands Great/Grandmother at Saron chapel in Nov 1883 age 28yrs and Elinor 27yrs, Davids G/Father was born in Nov 1884 and David Died in June 1885 of Peritonitis at his sisters home at 18 Charles St Brecon, Be back in a bit Margaret
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I`m back.. 1871 census,David Evans 16 servant for John and Mary Lewis,could be as his granmothers family were lewis, but not sure on that one,1871 again, yes Daniel did marry second time ;D ;he must have liked it the first time and thought he would try it again ;D ;D ;D
Margaret...
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Hi Margaret
Do that mean we are right (http://www.smilieshq.com/smilies/innocent0001.gif) (http://www.smilieshq.com)
ricky
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;D Yes you are right,you`ll be glad to get rid of me I`m sure, next thing on the agender is to marry a couple of these children and find them on the 1881 census,this all started with my B/I/law Edwin who was tracing his family tree and what is his name EVANS,same Breconshire valley and all farmers, he found his Grandmother as a servant girl working for none other than John Evans and Gwenllian but not sure what date,he then thought that the two families were belonging,so he did some research but his failing sight he had to give up and now he is registerd blind I thought that I would carry on and try and help him in someway, so I found this chap ;),DO YOU KNOW HIM RICKY????? ;D ;D who has been a godsend, Thanks again Ricky I could be back Margaret, O No,I can hear you say it from here
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Hi Margaret
To be honest its been a great pleasure to help you. I like it when we have an end result. If you want any help just leave a message on this thread and will see what we can do. Sorry to hear about Edwin.
regards
ricky ;)
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Ricky :-* :-* Your a pal,
Love margaret
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I said I would be back.
HI Ricky, could you look up the census for 1851 and 1861 for th Rev David Evans, it seems that he died in Sept 1863, so he should be around on these dates somewhere,
Thanks a lot Marg...
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:o :o :o :o
Back so soon
Good evening Margaret ;D ;D ;D
1851 A possible
David Evans head mar 65 farmer 45 acres 7 independant minister Camarthenshire Llangadock??
Sarah Evans wife mar 53 farmers wife Breconshire Llywell?
Ann " dau u/m 24 " dau " "
John " son u/m 20 " son " "
David " son u/m 17 " son " "
living at Ynysfawr?, Llywell, Breconshire
H0107/ 2489
folio 106
page 1
ricky
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Hi Margaret
1861
David Evans head mar 75 farmer & independant minister Camarthenshire Llangdock?
Sarah Evans wife mar 62 Breconshire Llywell
Ann " dau u/m 33 famers dau "
John " son mar 29 " son "
David " son u/m 24 " son "
living at Ynysafawr?, Llywell, Breconshire
Rg9/ 4209
folio 36
page 7
regards
ricky ;D ;D ;D
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Hi Ricky, yes this is them,have the marriages for Daniel, John and David yet to find Ann or her whereabouts,
Thanks again Margaret,,It All seems to be falling into place nicely, also got David Evans` father Thomas Evans born in LLangadog but if David was born in 1787 theres no hope of seeing any records for him,,
Thanks again Marg.... :) :)
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Hi Margaret
Your welcome
;) ;) ;)
regards
ricky
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::) THE NAG IS BACK....
Hi Ricky, please could you tell me who is living at YNYSFAWR farm Llywel Brecon on the 1871 census,I have the 1861, and1881 you sent me trying to sort out where Ann was on that date, many thanks Margaret..
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Hi Margaret
Is that the Ann Evans who was Davids daughter on the 1861 census, just double checking I is on the right track ;D
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Sorry Ricki, reading back I didn`t give you any names did I,Yes, David Evans Father Sarah mum, Ann,John,And David, this is all that family, thanks Marg..
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Hi Margaret
Not 100% sure that this is the farm as carnt make out the spelling
David Evans head u/m 30 farmer 50 acres Breconshire Llywell
Ann Jones serv u/m 32 dairymaid Camarthen ???
Rachel Price? ser u/m 17 gen serv Breconshire Llywell
Living at Ynisfawr, Llywel, Breconshire
Rg10/ 5577
folio 32
page 8 & 9
ricky
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Hi Margaret
Wonder if Ann married as carnt see her on the 1871 ???
ricky
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Hi Ricky, You don`t seem to have had my reply, now where the devil has that gone???
I don`t think this is our Ann as it is Jones and I am looking for Evans, went on freebmd a few weeks ago and there were loads of Ann Evans so thought if she wasn`t on the 1871 census I could concentrate on the dates 1861 to 1871, there are three for a ann evans born llewyl and her date of birth but that didn`t tell me much when I looked at the 1881 census, any ideas??
Thanks Margaret
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::) THE NAG IS BACK....
Hi Ricky, please could you tell me who is living at YNYSFAWR farm Llywel Brecon on the 1871 census,I have the 1861, and1881 you sent me trying to sort out where Ann was on that date, many thanks Margaret..
Hi Margaret
You asked who was at the farm in 1871, like I said I wasnt sure if this is the farm in 1871, as the writing on the pages aint to good ;)
regards
ricky
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:) Hi Ricky,thanks for looking, we had a family get together last night, David oldest sister 80th birthday party, I had a word with Edwin and he has an old will for that family so he is going to let me have a look at it to see if she is named on it, so fingers crossed it might take me back a bit further on this family,
many thanks Margaret...
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Hi Margaret
do you know where she was on the 1881 census ???
ricky
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Hi, No I don`t have that but Edwin is getting in touch this after and he will give me the name of a farm which she might have gone to live when her parents died so I will let you know, If that is ok by you, Thanks Margaret
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Hi Margaret
thats fine, just let me know and we can carry on :)
regards
ricky
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Hi Ricky, Well I am feeling a bit miffed about this lot, Edwin did phone on Sun but I am no wiser now than then,I think he might have had too many whiskies on sat,,,she wasn`t mentioned on the will,but the only thing he gave me was her date of birth 7/2/1826, I have put her down on freebmd as born in Brecon, no luck,but the parents were not born in county so Edwin said he thought they were born at Ynysmoch so I havn`t a clue where that is,, I have been on the 1881 census but I am going around in circles on there, I don`t really want to give up on her because I have the other siblings and feel its a shame that she is a missing link,
Margaret.
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Hi Margaret
are you sure that Ann didnt marry before the 1871 census, have looked on the 1871 and 1881 for her and carnt see her, any chance she married a William Powell ???
ricky
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Hi, yes she must have, when I asked you to look at the 1871 census for Ynysfawr farm I thought if she wasn`t on that as Ann Evans she must have married between 1861/1871 and it would be easier to tie her down,her brother is living at Ynysfawr in 1881 but you wasn`t sure of 1871 because the writing was poor,where did you find William Powell, was that on the 1871?? the Powells are related but not through Ann but David G/Grandmother
Margaret.
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Hi Margaret
1871
There is this family, wether it is Ann Evans I dont know, but no harm in having the info
William Powell head mar 35 farmer Breconshire Llanoihangel Nanthbrau?
Ann " wife mar 42 " Llywel
David Jones nephew u/m 18 farm serv " "
Ann " serv u/m 13 farm serv " "
living at Pentrebach, Cwmdu?, Breconshire
Rg10/ 5583
folio 6
page 5
Not 100% sure of the spelling for Williams birthplace
ricky
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Well, I`m dammed, I`m sure this could be her,, When a started this quiry I quiried Cwmhydfer with you And they were all Powells and Jones,there must be a connection there somewhere don`t you think?? will have to look into this a bit more tomorrow,thank you again Nite Nite Margaret,,
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Nite Margaret
think we have to do some more fishing around
regards
ricky
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Hi Ricky,Well I`m still here, been through the 1881 census and the freebmd to see if I could find a marriage on the latter, plenty of Ann Evans but nothing ties up with William Powell, would it show up though if they got married in chapel or registry office, her father being a minister could have married them before he died perhaps, there are a lot of ifs and buts here, Edwin and Ray are going on a cruise for Xmas so only yesterday he called with that will I told you he had, dozons of Evans and descendants so I am going to digest that now to see if I can sort anything out, that is if I can clear the place of tinsel,glitter and glue that the grandchildren have left, O the joys of being a grandmother,,, :) :) ;D
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Hi Margaret
have to admit I carnt see a marriage for them, dont know anything about Chapel marriages ;)
ricky
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Hi Margaret
going back to the 1861
there is this family of Jones's, which could be the David Jones on the 1871
Rees Jones head mar 31 farmer of ??acres Breconshire ???
Elizabeth " wife mar 31 " Llywell
David " son u/m 8 " "
William " son u/m 6 " "
Ann(e) " dau u/m 3 " "
Elinor " dau u/m 5 months " "
living at Hasepath?, Llywell, Breconshire
Rg9/ 4210
folio 60
page 59 & 60
If he is the one on the 1871 who is he nephew to ???
ricky
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Hi Ricky, Is this the same David Jones? the one I have on the 1861 is 19yrs I think the age is out a bit but will keep it in mind,, Now this will, so complecated as they are, The will is for Sarah EVANS WATKINS, daughter of JOHN EVANS and his wife Gwenllian,YNYSFAWR farm census 1881 which you found for me , SArah Died.. no date, a widow with no issue, so her estate went to her mother and fathers brothers and sisters and thier issue, so on this will john Evans had 2 brothers and ! sister ANN which is the one we are looking for, David who never married and died 20/7 1872 so he must be on the 1871 census, and Daniel who died in 20/1/1880 he was married to Gwenny you found him on the 1861 census but I havn`t got the 1871 census for him( But would like it), So Anne was a PRITCHARD, can`t find her on the 1881 census but she must be on the 1771, she could have died by 1881 perhaps. Hope this is not too muddled for you to understand it confused me somewhat I can tell you, I had to read it Over and overfor it to sink in .. Margaret.
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Hi Margaret
So we are looking fo Ann Evans who was born about 1828 Llywel(l) daughter of David and Sarah. Are you saying Ann married a Pritchard, just checking before I start climbing a tree ;D ;D ;D ;D
regards
ricky
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;) Hi, yes thats right, won`t be on tonight, baby sitting,Margaret....
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Hi Magaret
There are three Ann Pritchards on the 1871, none say they were born Llywel(l)
have chosen this one, but if you need the others let me know
John Pritchard head mar 47 farmer of 58 acres Brecon Llisdinham?
Ann " wife mar 43 " Gwendldwr?
Ruth Parson neice u/m 10 scholar Monmouthshire N.K
Noah Meradith? nephew u/m 4 Brecon Llandefalle?
Christmas Evans serv u/m 13 farm serv " Clickadaur?
living at Liff???, Llandefalle, Breconshire,
Rg10/ 5582
folio 75
page 9
ricky
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:-[ Hi Ricky, I feel aweful that I didn`t reply to you before christmas what between school; concerts,church activities, visitors etc,etc, I just couldn`t get around it all, anyway, this Ann, it could be her as she had no children of her own but she has neices and a nephew with her on the 1871census, I have been through this will that I have and none of those names have come up,ie Parsons and Meradith unless its on his side not hers, did the other two Anns have children? also was the niece Ruth Parsons on the 1861 census that could give us her parents name to see what side she belonged to, hope your christmas went well Margaret...
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Hi Margaret
I think this is Ruth Parsons on the 1861
John Parsons head mar 31 ag lab Mons Llantillio Pertholley?
Hannah " wife mar 28 Brecon Llandefelly?
Ruth " dau u/m 8 months Mons Llantilio Pertholey
living at Brick Cottage No 2 ? Llantillio-Peretholey, Mons
Rg9/ 3994
folio 29
page 4
ricky
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Hi ricky, thats a bit of luck this must be her born just before the census , mother Hannah born in brecon, still can`t find Hannah on this will, so it looks like thay are from his side, now that I havn`t got the grandchildren over the ho;idays I will try and write out the families on this will and perhaps it will be easier to find who belongs to who, nite nite Margaret....
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Hi Margaret
1871
here are the other 2 Ann Pritchards
Abraham Pritchard head mar 50 collier Brecon Llanelly
Ann " wife mar 46 "
Thomas " son u/m 24 " "
William " son u/m 21 " "
Jane " dau u/m 19 housemaid "
Abraham " son u/m 13 haulier "
Harry? " son u/m 11 scholar "
Joseph " son u/m 7 " "
Margaret " dau u/m 3 "
living at Penlanrach?, Llanelly, Breconshire,
Next Door are
Thomas Davies head mar 33 haulier Brecon Llanelly
Ann " mother wid 76 "
Rebecca Pritchard serv u/m 15 servant "
Rg10/ 5589
folio 30
page 8
Richard Pritchard head mar 45 farmer 130 acres 2 men Brecon Llangian?
Ann " wife mar 38 " Llanhamlach?
Elizabeth " dau u/m 3 " Llanhamlach?
John " br/in/law u/m 43 " "
Ann " serv u/m 18 gen serv " Llannifan?
living at Pritchard Farm, Llanhamlach, Llechfaen, Brecon
Rg10/ 5582
folio 57
page 10
ricky
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Hi Ricky, well, I think our Ann Pritchard is the first one you sent me as she is the only one without children, it seems the other two have children of thier own, so I will stick to her I think..
This will is for Mrs Sarah Evans Watkins it looks as if she is the Daughter of John Evans And Gwenllian Evans nee Price.she died a widow, and no children and as stated on the will," NO BROTHERS OR SISTERS OR DESCENDENTS OF BROTHERS OR SISTERS" so the will is devided between her parents brothers and sisters descendents,but on the 1881 census she is living at ynysfawr farm with her parents and siblings,so could you look for me please for Enoch Evans born1859,Llywel, Sarah b 1862, and David born 1864, on the 1891 census Sarah could be married by then and would be Evans Watkins, Many thanks Margaret
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Hi Margaret
1891
John Evans head mar 60 farmer Brecon Llywel
Gwenlian " wife mar 63 farmers wife "
Enoch " son u/m 31 farmers son "
Sarah " dau u/m 28 farmers dau "
David " son u/m 26 farmers son "
Mary Anne Evans serv u/m 18 gen dom Glamorgan Merthyr Tydfill?
David Williams serv u/m 15 farm serv Brcon Llywel
living at Ynysfawr?, Llywel, Traianglaes ,Breconshire
Rg12/ 4569
folio 23
page 6
ricky
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1901
Gwenllian Evans head wid 74 farmer Brecon Llywel
Enoch " son u/m 41 farmers son "
Sarah " dau u/m 37 " dau "
David " son u/m 35 " son "
Gwilyn Jones serv u/m 18 waggoner farm Brecon Traianglaes
living at Ynysfawr, Llywel, Traianglaes, Brecon
Rg13/ 5166
folio 28
page 4
ricky
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Hi Margaret
When was the will made out ???
ricky
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Hi Ricky, Thanks for the info, the will must have been drawn up sometime before her death but theres no date but looking through some more papers that Edwin gave me some time ago she married a Richard Watkins of MEITY ISAf farm after the marriage they then farmed YNYSFAEN he died in 1937 and she died 1948 age 86yrs, looking at the will again it says intestate,does that mean there was no will?
Hope to be back on sometime later this week, off to the local pub tonight to see the new year in with Davids family, we do it every year, they give us the same table, but its lovely because its mostly people from the village that we all know and its like one big family, hope you`ll have a good new year and thanks again for all your help in 2007
Regards Margaret.
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Hi Margaret
Hope you enjoy your evening,
regards
ricky
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:) " HAPPY NEW YEAR" to you and those you love.
Hi Ricky, well, I said I would be back in the new year, I have been through these papers and there are a lot of unusual names to find, I wonder if you could find for me on the 1841 census Gwenllian Evans of YNYSFAWR farm,her family, her siblings are WAtkin b 1819, Mary b 1821, Lyssod,b 1823, Sarah,b 1828 d1834, GWENLLIAN b 1829, Thomas b 1830, perhaps their parents will be with them, it has been said that they lived at Ffynnonwrgan farm. Many thanks again Margaret
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Hi Margaret
There is nothing on any census that I can see for a Lyssod Evans ???
ricky
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Hi Margaret
Is Lyssod a female, cos on the 1861 census there is a Lyssod married to a Joseph Joseph. Lyssod says she was born Llywell about 1825ish
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Hi Margaret
Just thinking back Gwenillian wouldnt be a Evans on the 1841 ??? ???
ricky
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Hi ricky, I don`t think you had my reply stating that Lyssod evans children were surname Joseph,Gwenllian and her siblings were Price, sorry
Margaret
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Hi Margaret
so on the 1841 I am looking for Lyssod Joseph, and family, and also looking for Gwenillian? Price and her family. have I got this right, or have I gone cuckoo :) :)
ricky
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:-[ SORRY RICKY, please tell me if i`m getting a pain in the bum :-[ Gwenllian and her family before marraige were PRICE, Llysod must have got married before the1841 census and became JOSEPH, Watkin was a bachelor Marybecame Evans,SARAH died age 6yrs and THOMASborn 1831+1but I thought if they were on the41 census it would give me the parents if they were alive, thanks again Marg..
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Hi Margaret
Your not a pain, so dont worry, just sometimes me little grey cells dont work so well ;D ;D ;D, will have another look ;) ;)
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1841
Closest I could see for a Gwenellian?
Susan Price 53 born in county
Gwenn " 21 "
John " 16 "
Elizabeth " 13 tailors ap "
Ann " 2months "
living at Llywell village, Brecknock, Brecon
H0107/ 1367/11
folio 7
page 10
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Hi Margaret
forget that one, think this is them transcribed as Paice, of all things >:( >:(
Enoch Price 61 farmer born in county
Rachel " 48 "
Watkin " 22 "
Mary " 20 "
Susan " 17 "
Gwennllian? " 15 "
Thomas " 6 "
living at Ffynongwua?, Llywell, Brecon
H0107/ 1367/ 12
folio 7
page 8
new we would get there in the end
Not 100% sure of the spelling for the farm,
regards
ricky ;) ;)
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;D " THATS MY MAN" if you don`t mind me saying..
THe name of the farm is Ffynnonwrgan, a bit of a mouthfull but most of these welsh names are,
NOW, who is this Susan?? is this another name for Llysod can I ask if she is on the 1851 census Susan I mean,,,,Margaret..
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Hi Margaret
No sign of a Susan Price on the 1851 of the right age, or a Susan from Llywell, There is a death for one in 1847 reg in Merthyr Tydfil, No age given.
regards
ricky
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We will forget about her then, this family is giving us enough problems, I have found Llysod on the 1881 census but there are only 3 children named I`m sure there are more, she would not have had more after 1881 as her age was 56yrs then, so perhps the previous years would tell us more, if you don`t mind Margaret..
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Hi Margaret
will have look see, ;)
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Hi Margaret
will start with the easy ones first
1861
Joseph Joseph head mar 40 farmer 140 acres 1 lab 2 boys Carmarthen
Lyssod " wife mar 36 Brecon Llywell
David " son u/m 13 farmers son "
Mathew " son u/m 12 " "
Rachel " dau u/m 10 farmers dau "
Ann " dau u/m 8 " "
Enoch " son u/m 7 farmers son "
John " son u/m 5 " "
Mary " dau u/m 2 farmers dau "
Thomas " son u/m 8 months farmers son "
John Thomas serv u/m 18 carter "
William Thomas serv u/m 15 cowman "
Jane Rees serv u/m 20 dairymaid Cardigan
Ellen William serv u/m 14 nurse Brecon Brecon
living at Graig Goch, Llywell, Brecon
Rg9/ 4209
folio 12
page 18
ricky
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Thanks Ricky, we are out again tonight, another sister of Davids have asked us to hers for a family get together, David has 6 sisters and 1 brother so there are a few of us to get around, the last count of Davids family from his parents down was 84 and there have been a few Great Grandchildren born since I did that count, Davids parents lived at the Wenallt farm here in the village they had a milk round and they sold vegetables, eggs etc up until they retired and sold the farm so the family are well known as you can imagine as they all live in and around the village, David is still called"Dai farmer" be in touch soon Margaret...
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1891
Joseph Joseph head mar 70 farmer Camarthenshire Llan?
Lyssod " wife mar 67 Brecon Llywel
Thomas " son u/m 30 farmers son "
Joseph S? Loyd gr/son u/m 15 scholar "
David H Loyd gr/son u/m 13 " Glamorganshire Merthyr?
Margaret Davies serv u/m 48 serv domestic Brecon Llywel
Maggie Williams serv u/m 13 " Glamorganshire Merthyr?
James MacFoy serv u/m 20 farm serv Africa Sieera Leone
living at Graiggoch, Llywel, brecon
Rg12/ 4569
folio 4
page 1
ricky
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Hi Margaret
Lyssod Joseph
Born 1924 ish
Died 1895
Aged 71
March Quarter
Brecknock,
Breconshire/ Powys
vol 11b
page 73
Hope you have a good time this evening
ricky
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1851
Joseph Joseph head mar 30 farmer 127 acres Camarthenshire Llanddies?
Lyssod " wife mar 27 Brecon ???
David " son u/m 3 " Taiammaur?
Mathew " son u/m 2 " "
Rachel " dau u/m 10 months " "
Benjamin Theophulias? serv u/m 15? farm serv " Cray?
Margaret Davies serv u/m 23 farm serv Camarthenshire ??
Ann Jones serv u/m 14 farm serv Brecon Tiammaur?
William Williams serv u/m 19 farm lab " Llandilofane?
living at GraigGroch, Llywel, brecon
H0107/ 2489
folio 136
page 13 & 14
ricky
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1871
Joseph Joseph head mar 50 farmer 140 acres Camartheshire Llandd??
Lyssod " wife mar 47 Brecon Llywell
Mathew? " son u/m 23 "
Annie " dau u/m 19 "
Mary " dau u/m 13 "
Thomas " son u/m 10 "
Evan " son u/m 9 "
Llewellyn " son u/m 7 "
Jane " dau u/m 2 "
William Williams serv u/m 50 farm serv " Ystradgynlias?
Mary Jenkins serv u/m 17 dairymaid " Llanfihangle?
Living at Graiggoch, Llywell, Brecon
Rg10/ 5577
folio 14
page 21
ricky
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1841
David Joseph 40? auctioneer born in county
Anne " 60 "
Joseph " 20 "
Mary " 15 "
living at Abardyn?, Llanddausaint, camarthenshire
H0107/ 1386/1
folio 18
page 8 & 9
ricky
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Hi Margaret
I think this is the marriage for them
Joseph Joseph
1845
June quarter
Brecknock
Breconshire/Powys
on the same page is a
Lyfrod Price
plus some other people.Just wondering if it should have been Lyssod
I carnt see Lyssod on the 1841 ??? ???
regards
ricky
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HI, well what can I say,brilliant work there,all that information, I`m well pleased about that THANKS..I am going to look at the 1881 census to see if I can find some of the male line anywhere, the daughters
Ann or Annie as she is on one census married a LLOYD, Jane Married a BUCKLOW and Rachel became DOWDING, Ann and Rachel could possible be on the 1881 Jane was still on the 1881 and Llewellyn with parents so I will not find them,
Thanks again Ricky your a GEM,, Margaret....
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;D OOPS, forgot to mention I noticed that the G/children on the 1891 were Lloyd, margaret..
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Hi Margaret
There is a possible marriage in 1875
Ann Joseph
1875
March quarter
Brecknock
Breconshire/Powys
On the same page are
John Lloyd
Ann Williams
Thomas Williams
vol 11b
page 153
ricky
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Hi Margret
1881
John Lloyd head mar 33 ??? schoolmaster Llandyrel? Cardigan
Ann " wife mar 28 Llywel Brecon
Joseph S " son u/m 5 scholar "
David H " son u/m 2 Merthyr Glamorgan
Albert ?? " son u/m 1 "
Evan Joseph br/ in/ law u/m 18 pupil teacher Llywell Brecon
living at Penydaurn? B School, Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan
Rg11/ 5317
folio 16
page 25
ricky
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Hi RIcky, Yes, I found this John lloyd and Ann also, this is deffinately her as the grandchildren are the right age and names, I could n`t find Rachel as DOWDING but I did find a Rachel as a visitor at 4, Glamorgan st Brecon, she is down as a visitor with another Joseph Joseph who is a barister magistrate also born in Carmarthenshire like the other Joseph, could be another relative do you think? havn`t yet looked for Jane, Margaret.... :)
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cor blimey Margaret, your on early ;D ;D ;D
ricky ;) ;)
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Hi Margaret
I dont think I gave the 1881 for Lyssod
Joseph Joseph head mar 60 farmer 127 acres Camarthern Llanddausaint
Lyssod " wife mar 56 Brecon Llywell
Thos " son u/m 20 "
Llewllyn " son u/m 16 "
Jane " dau u/m 13 scholar "
Betsy Rees? serv u/m 19 gen serv dom " Yetrademlias?
living at Graiggoch, Llywel, Breconshire
Rg11/ 5457
folio 4
page 1
ricky
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Hi Margaret
So sorry to hear about the sad loss, when you want to carry on, just give me a shout.
regards
ricky :(
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:( Hi Ricky, well if you don`t mind I will carry on as this takes my mind off other things.. Shall we look for Ann and john LLoyd on the 1891 1901 as on the 1881 they have her brother evan joseph 18 as a pupil teacher so if we can find those again that will give us 2 moreof Lyssods children..Marg..and , yes I did have the 1881 census for Lyssod but not the 1901for graig goch farm where they lived as Thomas their son was still with them on the 1891 age 30yrs did he stay there? Marg..
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Hi Margaret & Ricky,
I've been following this thread with interest. I think Ricky should be invested an honourary Welshman with his work on the Welsh Censuses. ;D
I spend quite a bit of time in the Sennybridge area and discovered that there are 9 of Joseph And Lyssod's g/grandchildren still in the area one or two that I know.
Fisherman
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Hi Fisherman
your welcome to join in, might be able to help with some of my translation of Welsh Village's ;) ;) ;)
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Hi Margaret
1891
John Lloyd head mar 42(BS) schoolmaster Llanarth? Cardiganshire
Anne " wife mar 39 Llywel Breconshire
Hannah C " dau u/m 8 scholar Merthyr Tydfil Glam
Annie " niece u/m 19 student teacher college Traedyraur Cardiganshire
living at Boys and Girls School House, Church Street, Merthyr Tydfil, Penydarren, Glamorgan
Rg12/ 4440
folio 47
page 19
ricky
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A friend of mine has written a couple of books about the area and is a mine of information.
Joseph & Lyssod's son Llewellyn kept the Red Lion in Sennybridge in the early 1900's
Watkin Joseph was a road surveyor and lived in "Y Maesydd" Defynnog.
Fisherman
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Hi Margaret
1901
John Lloyd head mar 49 schoolmaster Cardiganshire Lland???
Anne " wife mar 53 Breconshire Llywel
David H? " son u/m 22 assistant teacher Glamorgan Merthyr Tydfil
living at 30 The Avenue, Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan
Rg13/ 5031
folio 51
page 48
ricky
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Hi Fisherman
Margaret will be interested in that, well that will help to find them later if thats what Margaret wants. Great when people write books and research the area.
regards
ricky
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Hi Margaret
1891
Evan Joseph head mar 28 elementry teacher Breconshire Llywel
Caroline " wife mar 34 Camarthernshire Llanfihangel Aberbytchych?
living at School House, Llanfihangel Aberbytchych, Camarthenshire
Rg12/ 4512
folio 76
page 5
ricky
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Hi Ricky
The books are The District of Sennybridge, Trecastle and Defynnog "This was a way of life" (book 1 and 2) by Gareth Jones.
They contain loads of photos from the 1800's to the 1990's.
There is very little about the area that Gareth doesn't know.
Fisherman
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Hi Fisherman
You will have to introduce him to roots, he would be a great help :) :)
ricky
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Hi Margaret
Possible Marriage for Evan Joseph
Evan Joseph
1889
Sept quarter
Llandilofawr
Camarthernshire
vol 11 a
page 1299
on that page is this person
Caroline Lockyer
nobody else on the list
regards
ricky
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Hi Margaret
I couldnt find Evan Joseph on the 1901 census, I think he might have died, unless you know different, as I found this death
Evan Joseph
born 1862 ish
died 1895
aged 33
June quarter
Llandilofawr
Camarthernshire
vol 11a
page 616
ricky
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A bit more info re Morgan Watkins (reply 13)
Book 1 contains a photo of Morgan (on horseback) with daughter Mary. Photo taken outside Brynmaen Farm, Trecastle. Morgan died in 1916.
Brynmaen is no longer lived in but the land is still farmed by the family.
Fisherman
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Hi Margaret
Looks like I was right
1901
Caroline Joseph head wid 45 boarding house keeper Camarthershire Aberbytchych
Katherine William sister wid 55 " " "
Alfred S Joseph son u/m 8 " "
Lyssod E Joseph dau u/m 6 " "
plus 4 boarders
living at St Mary, Cardiff, Glamorgan
Rg13/ 4985
folio 136
page37
ricky
P.S
Fisherman
I think Margaret will love the info and photo's you have ;) ;)
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Hi Ricky, Well that lot took some writing down, I`m a bit thick when it comes to these computors, can`t save to files and don`t trust them all that much ::)incase I will loose all the information so everything is handwriten and filled as I have done with the 4 other family trees that i have done,I
would die if I lost all the hard work and information
that you have sent me,, Now the last one Evan Joseph, as you said you were right in thinking he had died, quiet young too, I have here his children ALBERT STUART LOCKYEr and Mrs LYSSOD EILEEN PERRING, that must be her married name,Thank you fisherman for the information on the books, have made a note of the titles and will do my best to get them,, but looking back at reply 13 Morgan Watkins no relitive there I don`t think thanks anyway, Ricky,I have here the children of Ann LLoyd, JOHN ELRINGTON LLOYD< GEOFFREY TREVOR LLOYD< JOSEPH GORDON LLOYD< and MARGARET MONA VERA LLOYD, I don`t expect them all to be on the 1901 census but he is not onit with his parents, also I went on line to Pendarren school and there are photos there with a Mr Lloyd headmaster 1914, Is it John LLoyd or David H??? I wonder.... Margaret..
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Hi Margaret,
Here is a picture of Morgan Watkins and his daughter Mary I mentioned earlier.
Gareth has kindly given me permission to post photographs from his books
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj130/Sennybridge/Morgan-Watkins2.jpg)
Fisherman
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Hi Margaret
Only Geoffrey Trevor Lloyd I can find was born 1905
Geoffrey Trevor Lloyd
born 1905
June Quarter
Merthyr Tidfil
Brecon/ Glamorgan
vol 11a
page 886
is this the right one ???
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Hi Margaret
Vera Margaret M Lloyd
born 1904
March quarter
Birkenhead
Cheshire/Mersyside
vol 8a
page 580
is this another one ???
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Hi Fisherman
Great picture :) :)
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Hi Margaret
I carnt find anything on a Joseph Gordon Lloyd except a death in 2003 aged 87 in Buckinghamshire , and that is down as Gordon Joseph Lloyd
ricky
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Hi Ricky and Fisherman,, Thanks for this great photo, as I said I don`t think he is in any of our lines but will keep it just incase, thanks Ricky for the other information, I didn`t think they would have been on the -1901 census, its a shame they didn`t put any dates on this dam will, only names..
Ricky, I noticed that David H is still a student teacher at Merthyr Tydfil I wonder if he is the one on the photo 1914,he would have been 35ish,as John lloyd, his father would have been 62ish but not impossible I suppose, [ JUST ME THINKING ALOUD] take no notice of that....Albert Ieuan LLoyd has gone of the 1901census so has Hannah C Lloyd any luck with them do you think? Margaret.. :)
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Hi Margaret
How old do's the bloke look on the photo of the school
ricky
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Hi Ricky, he looks quiet old, tried to enlarge the photo but no luck,he sits front row arms folded with the children around him, oops granddaugher woke up just now, be in touch later Margaret,,
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Margaret
was Hannahs middle name Cambria ??? ???
ricky
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:-\ Havn`t got a clue, but if you think so I`ll go with that, You havn`t been wrong yet.. Margaret :)
I can`t see her on this will either...I don`t think I`ve missed her in this jumble...Margaret
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Hi Margaret
I couldnt see her on the 1901 census, but did find this but whether its the right person I carn't say as its the only time the name pops up
Hannah Cambria Lloyd
born 1883 ish
died 1892
aged 9
March quarter
Merthyr Tydfil
Brecon/ Glamorgan
vol 11a
page 444
ricky
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Hi Margaret
Not having no luck with Albert Ieuan Lloyd :-\
sorry
ricky
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Ricky, i think that the son must have died also because his descendants are not on the will either,the only descendants on here are for JOSEPH SAMUEL LLOYD a son of Ann LLoyd,which I think I passed on to you, being John Elrington LLoyd etc etc etc. I found Watkin Joseph on the 1881, another son of Lyssod ,what fisherman passed on as a road Surveyor in Devynnock at forest cottage but fisherman said< `Y Maesydd`, his wifes name is EMMIE, perhaps the 1891, and 1901 will tell us more, Think I`ll call it a day now ,, Nite Nite, Marg....
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Nite Margaret
will have a look and see what I can find
regards
ricky
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Hi Margaret
1891
I wonder if this is Joseph Lloyd
Geo W Godfrey head mar 43 gasfitter Hammersmith
Sarah " wife mar 40 Camarthern Lland??
Kate " dau u/m 16 school board teacher Middlesex Acton
Elizabeth " dau u/m 14 scholar Hammersmith
Geo " son u/m 12 " Middlesex Acton
Walter " son u/m 9 " "
Sarah " dau u/m 6 " "
Joseph Lloyd nephew u/m 16 apprentice to gas fitter Brecon
living at 70 Church Road, Acton, Middlesex
Rg12/ 1036
folio 16
page 11 & 12
ricky
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Hi Margaret
1901
if the above is correct
Joseph Lloyd head mar 26 plumber?? Wales Brecon
Florence " wife mar 22 laundress own account London London
Ernest " son u/m 1 Middlesex Acton
Eva Rickman serv u/m 17 gen serv domestic "
living at 46 Stanley road, Acton, Middlesex
Rg13/ 1203
folio 91
page 40
ricky
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1891
Watkins Joseph head mar 44 district road surveyor Brecon Llywel
Emmie " wife mar 36 Glamorgan Cardiff
Thomas P? " son u/m 3 Brecon Maescar?
Elonor Davies serv u/m 17 gen serv domestic " Llywel
living at Maesydd?, Brecknock, Senny, Brconshire
Rg12/ 4569
folio 57
page 1
ricky
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1901
Watkins Joseph head mar 53 road surveyor Brecon Traianmawrs?
Emily L " wife mar 43 Bristol
Tom " son u/m 13 Brecon Senny
Mary Thomas serv u/m 20 gen serv domestic " Cray?
living at Maesydd, Senny, Breconshire
Rg13/ 5166
folio 60
page 1
ricky
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Hi Ricky, Can i answer the last message first,Watkin Joseph I believe only had this one son Thomas, Its only his children are named on this will,ALBERT THOMAS<ISABEL LOUISA< And GEORGINA IRIS who became Mrs Broom.so all of these children would be much later by his age on the 1901,so I think that line is done thanks,You found Joseph Lloyd in Middlesex area??, well I have been looking for another son of LLysod ,Enoch Joseph and he is [I think] living at 32 Alfred st middlesex on the 1881, how strange , its possible that it is `THE` Joseph.. I`m still looking for RACHEL JOSEPH, she was a drapers assistant in Brecon on the 1881 and became a MRs Downing, would like to find out if she married before 1891 and her husbands name , no children named there either,
I have been ages trying to get online tonight, when I switched on and tried to connect it was in SAFE MODE,can you imagine the panic here, the screen was like a Mosaic, I told you I was thick as far as computers are concerned.... Margaret
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Hi Margaret
I carnt see a marriage for a Rachel Joseph to a Downing
ricky
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Hi Margaret
This is the Enoch Joseph you on about
1871
Enoch Joseph u/m 18 warehouse man Brecon Llywell
living at 37 to 34 Old Change?, St Vedast Foster Lane, Lane
Rg10/ 430
folio
37
page 4
1891
Enoch Joseph head mar 36 commercial traveller Brecon Llywell
Charlotte E " wife mar 31 London Cripplegate
Reginald A " son u/m 5 scholar " Islington
Catherine M Carter sis/in/law 37 " St George in the East
Maria J Berthand niece u/m 14 scholar France
living at 225 Railton Road, Lambeth, Brixton, London
Rg12/ 412
folio 89
page 2
ricky
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Hi Margaret
1901
Enoch Joseph head mar 46 commercial haberdashery S.Wales Brecon
Charlotte E " son u/m 41 London Cripplegate
Gwladys M " dau u/m 5 " H.Hill?
Catherine M Carter boarder u/m 47 drapers asst " St George in the East
Rachel Doweling boarder wid 50 corsetier stay S.Wales Brecon
Maria J Berthand lodger u/m 24 drapers asst France
Alice Sizer serv u/m 24 gen serv domestic Essex Braintree
living at 225 Railton Rd, Lambeth, Brixton, London
Rg13/ 429
folio 105
page 2
;D ;D
ricky
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Hi Margaret,
I will be going to Trecastle next Sunday.
Do you want me to have a look around Llywell churchyard for you?
Fisherman
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Hi Margaret
Have some good news for you. I couldnt find them on the 1891, so I asked my very dear friend Gadget for some help, and bless her heart she has come up trumps
this is what Gadget found
1891
Hary Dowding head mar 50 draper Somerset
Rachel " wife mar 40 Breconshire
Charles S " son u/m 3 London
Daisy " niece 10 scholar "
Harriett Wilkins serv u/m 26 cook Bucks
Josephine Howard serv u/m 22 housemaid Middlesex
living at 2 Marl. Hill?, St Marylebone, London
Rg12/ 105
folio 26
page 14
Like I said Margaret, if it wasnt for Gadget, I would never have found her
regards
ricky
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Come on Ricky - don't be modest now. You told me she might have married a Harry :)
Gadget
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Hi Margaret
I think this might be the marriage
Rachel Joseph
1886
Sept quarter
Westminster
London/Middlesex
vol 1a
page 948
On the same page is a
Harry Dowding
regards
ricky
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Come on Ricky - don't be modest now. You told me she might have married a Harry :)
Gadget
Hi Gadget
I said I think she married a Harry Dowding , you found her, I will always give credit where it is due, I couldnt find her, and you did. :-* :-* :-*
one happy bunny I is ;D ;D ;D
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Fisherman First,, Thanks for the offer but unless you are going camping for the week and looking for a challange... this family is SO BIG, at the moment Ricky seems to be finding all that i NEED,, THANKS AGAIN....
GADGET :-* :-* :-* I really don`t know who you are but you have made an old `WELSH WOMAN`very happy, thanks again.
RICKY :) :-* :-* :-* :-*Thats my boy , if at first and all that, leave no stone unturned, you are so good but if you have had enough please say I won`t be offended, This Lyssod had 11 children PHEW!! can I give some more?? John JOSEPH born 1856 MaryJoseph b 1859 She became JAMES and THomas 1861 Many thanks to all Marg..xx
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GADGET I really don`t know who you are but you have made an old `WELSH WOMAN`very happy, thanks again.
Margaret
I shouldn't really reply but I will - you've just described me :D :D :D
I'm from Denbighshire 8)
Glad to have helped :)
Gadget
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Hi Margaret
Think I have given you all the census's for Thomas Joseph , except for the 1901, because he stays with his parents
1901
Joseph Joseph head wid 80 farmer Camarthenshire Llanddausaint
Thomas " son u/m 38 farmers son Breconshire Llywel
Sarah Thomas serv u/m 30 house keeper camarthenshire Llanddausaint
Gwenoline Davies serv u/m 16 house maid Breconshire Llywel
living at Graig-goch, Traianmawr, Breconshire
Rg13/ 5166
folio 15
page 8
ricky
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1891
Thomas James head mar 35 teacher elementry school Brecon Traianmawr
Mary " wife mar 31 "
Agnes " dau u/m 7 scholar "
Joseph " son u/m 5 " "
Gweneth Williams? serv u/m 19 dom serv Glamorgan Dowlais?
Llewellyn Joseph visitor u/m 26 farmer Brecon Traianmawr
living at 25 Broad Street?, Hay, Breconshire
Rg12/ 4580
folio 15
page 23
ricky
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1901
Thomas James head mar 46 elementry school teacher Brecon llywel
Mary " wife mar 42 "
Blodwen M " dau u/m 8 scholar " Hay
Mary E Jenkins? lodger u/m 28 elementry school teacher Cardigans Aberswith?
Alice C Murray serv u/m 15 gen dom Herefordshire Withigton?
living at 25 Broad Street, Hay, Breconshire
Rg13/ 5177
folio 7
page 6 & 7
ricky
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Hi Margaret
Think these are the marriage details for Mary Joseph
Mary Joseph
1882
Sept quarter
Brecknock
Brecon/ Powys
vol 11 b
page 145
On the same page are
Rachel Davies
Thomas James
James William
ricky
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Hi Margaret
Carnt see anything for John Joseph after the 161 census, no death or any census details ??? ???
ricky
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Hi Ricky and Margaret
I've gone through the full death index for the 10 years 1861 - 1871. There are a few John Joseph deaths but none close enough in location or age to be the correct one. The problem is that he could have died anywhere, been badly mistranscribed or missed from the 1871 census or just left the area - abroad, etc.
I have a few like this in my tree. Tis a fact of life, they're not all recorded neatly :-\
Regards
Gadget
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Hi Gadget
Thankyou for looking, I'll have to admit defeat on him, carnt see him on any census after the 1861.
ricky
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:) Hello Ricky and Gadget..
Thank you both once again, I noticed on the 1891 census for Mary James, VISITOR LLEWELLYN JOSEPH, this must be Marys brother, where is he on the 1901 census please? and RACHEL DOWDING on the 1901, Yes,I believe that John could have died also another son MATHEW who I can`t find on the 1881 census either, the only 2 left on this line now is LLewllyn and JANE who became Mrs BUCKLOW, she was born 1868 but is not on the 1891 census with her family, Margaret
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Hi Margaret
Have already given Rachel Dowding on the 1901, she was transcribed as Doweling staying with her brother Enoch Joseph
ricky
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Hi Margaret
I think I have found your Jane in Scotland on the 1901 census
Edward Bucklow 53 inland revenue officer England
Jane " 34 Wales transcribed as Walls
Edward " 11 Forgue Aberdeenshire
Alfred " 7 "
Frank J " 2 Inverker, Baniffshire
Annabella Bruce 28 serv Inverkereithing Banniffshire
reg number 156
reg district Grange
county Banffshire
address Rose Bank
ED1
Page 13
house schedule 57
line 8
roll CSSCT1901_46
regards
ricky
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Hi Ricky and Margaret :)
If you need any help with Scottish BMDs, give me a yell. The online records are all available and are far better than the England & Wales ones :)
Gadget
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Hi Gadget
I can just about find my way around Wales, but Scotland I will be honest, and havnt got a clue :-* :-*
I think the 1901 sounds about right, but being as I carnt see the image, was the best I could do
ricky
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1891
I think this is her
Edward Buckson 42 inland revenue officer England
Jane " 24 " Have me doubts on birth place
Edward " 1 Forgue Aberdeenshire
Jane Ann Fraser 17 servant "
Reg no 194
Reg district Forgue
c/parish Forgue
Aberdeenshire
address Boynsmill Cottage
ED 5
Page 5
Household schedule number 19
line 24
CSSCT 1891_61
ricky
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Hi Margaret
Possible marriage
1888
Jane Joseph
Sept quarter
Llandilofawr
Carmarthenshire
vol 11a
page 1129
only other person on the page is
Edward Bucklow
regards
ricky
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Hi Margaret
Have had no luck with Mathew or Llewllyn ??? ???
ricky
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Hi Ricky :)
My Broadband went down after I PMed you last night, so I couldn't do any Scottish searching.
I'll have a look this morning :)
Gadget
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Hi Ricky
I used 6 SP units for this, so can't do too much Scottish looking at £1.20 a time but I've got young Edward Bucklow's birth certificate:
District of Forgue in the County of Aberdeen
Edward Bucklow:
Born - 24th May 1889, 4.30 pm
Boynsmill Cottage, Forgue, Aberdeenshire
Father - Edward Bucklow - Officer of Inland Revenue
Mother - Jane, maiden surname Joseph
Date and place of parents' marriage - August 1st 1888, Golden Grove, Carmarthen
Gadget :)
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Hi Margaret
Have had no luck with Mathew or Llewllyn ??? ???
ricky
Ricky
Sorry to be a drag but don't want to plod through all 12 pages to find the info.
What are the details for Matthew and Llewellyn, please?
Gadget :)
Added -OK - I've found the details :)
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I think Ricky must be gone somewhere :-\
I've found the marriage of a Llewelyn Joseph:
Brecknock, Dec Q, 1907, vol 11b page 187
Other females on page - Sarah Davies and Elizabeth Williams
It's a bit late for him to marry but it's my first sighting. Could he have been in the Boer War in 1901 :-\
No sign of Matthew as yet.
Gadget
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Hi Gadget
thanks for the birth details of Edward Bucklow, Which means the 1891 and 1901 must be right.
thanks again :-*
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Hi Ricky
Didn't find anything on Matthew :(
I noticed that margaret was on at 16.30 yesterday but i don't think she could have seen what we've found because she hasn't said anything :-\
Gadget
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:) Hello Ricky and Gadget, Thanks to you both for all the information, Jane Bucklows information is spot on as far as her Family is concerned she had 6 sons Edward, Charles, Alfred, Frank Joseph, Harold and Ernest, you had the first 3 and the last three were born after 1901, brilliant... I have 2 childrens names for LLewellyn Joseph,John LLewellyn Joseph and Margaret Lyssod Jones, fisherman said along the way that a Llewellyn kept a pub here in Sennybridge, The Red Lion??? will have to check back,it could have been John Llewellyn, thank you both once again for all the help with this line, I do have loads more but will wait for your OK Ricky before I will post the quiry, :-* :-*Margaret
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:) Hi Gadget, Thanks for all the detailed information you found for me, births and marriages, Yes, I did have a quick visit yesterday, my Granddaughter wanted to see the photo that fisherman had posted of a possible ancestor, ( I still don`t think he belongs) I may be proved wrong, such a large family this, thanks again hope to be in touch soon Margaret... :-*
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Hi Margaret
Can you post some easy ones this time ;D ;D ;D
ricky
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;) Hi Ricky,I will do my best, The next one is the d/o Enoch and Rachel Price...FFynonwrgan Brecon, MARY PRICE who married and became MARY EVANS, she was born in 1821 and died in 1873, I can give you some of her children if that is any help,, EVAN EVANS, he had a son FREDERICK LEWIS, RACHEL who married and became MOSES, I will leave it at that now because there are 4 more children,, thanks and good luck Margaret
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Hi Margaret
You didnt say who her husband, so will take a guess at this one
1861
David Evans head mar 42 farmer 139 acres Brecon Devynock
David " son u/m 17 "
Mary " wife mar 39 "
Evan " son u/m 15 "
Rachel " dau u/m 12 scholar "
Thomas " son u/m 10 " "
Enoch " son u/m 7 " "
Elan? " dau u/m 5 " "
Watkin " son u/m 2 "
Margaret Price servant u/m 24 "
living at Devynnock, Brecknock, Breconshire
Rg9/ 4210
folio 24
page 18
ricky
P.S If this is the correct family will trace them on the other census,s so will wait for you to say if this one is correct ???
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Hi Margaret,
Here is a picture of the grave of Joseph Joseph and his wife Llysod in Llywell graveyard.
The inscription was difficult to read, this mornings downpour didn't help, but I could make out Llysod's name.
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj130/Sennybridge/Llywell024.jpg)
Fisherman
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Here is their daughter Rachael's grave
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj130/Sennybridge/Llywell022.jpg)
Inscription reads:
Rachael Dowding Daughter of Joseph and Llysod Joseph Died 17th August 1923
Fisherman
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Here is the grave of Llewellyn Joseph
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj130/Sennybridge/Llywell0021.jpg)
Inscription:
Sarah Beloved wife of Llewellyn Joseph Died October 30th 1937 aged 85 years
Also of the said Llewellyn Joseph Died July 11th 1939 aged 74 years.
Fisherman
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Hi Fisherman
You have been busy, think Margaret will be pleased of them
regards
ricky
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And their son Joseph David
(http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj130/Sennybridge/Llywell025.jpg)
Inscription:
Joseph David son of Llewellyn and Sarah Joseph Died July24th 1936 aged 22 years
There is one other Joseph grave but I was unable to make out the inscription in the deluge.
Fisherman
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Hi Ricky,
I was in the area this morning and thought it was worth a quick look. Could had done without the rain though :)
The picture quality is not perfect because I had to keep wiping the lens.
To make matters worse the pub was closed ;D ;D
Fisherman
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Hi Fisherman :)
I've tried to get them into focus but not much success.
Best thing to do when it's raining and there's no one to hold an umbrella over you is to carry a polythene bag with a hole in both ends. You can then shield the lens from the rain.
Gadget
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Hi Gadget
Thanks for trying.
I will remember the plastic bag tip next time.
Fisherman
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Hi Ricky, Yes, I think this one is her, just beenlooking at the will to see if the names match... the first son threw me a bit because he is not on the will, these are the other children of MARY EVANS.. EVAN EVANS, RACHEL MOSES, THOMAS EVANS, JOHN EVANS< these last two, address PENNSYLVANIA USA. ENOCH, and ELEANOR FOULKS its stated that she married twice, Thanks Margaret
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Hi Margaret
If the 1861 is correct
this is them on the 1871
David Evans head mar 53 inn keeper Brecon Devynock?
Mary " wife mar 50 " Yclydack?
Rachel " dau u/m 22 " Devynock
Eleanor " dau u/m 14 " "
John " son u/m 10 " "
living at ??? Tavern, Devynock, Maescar, Brecknock, Brecon
Rg10/ 5578
folio 22
page 1
ricky
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:) WELL FISHERMAN, what can I say?... THank you so much that has filled in some dates and we weren`t to sure of LLewellyns wifes name which I now know is Sarah Davies, also one of his children, Back many years ago I visited Llywel church to try and trace a relative of mine ? mellin, at one time one of the vicers there was a MELLIN but not one of my line,is the church on the main road, not far from the army place? if it is then we had a very interesting chat with the `Church caretaker`who took us into his cottage next door to the church and showed us a pile of books, he had handwritten all the BDM and could tell you at a glance who belonged to who be just flicking a page, infact I have some notes I made that day of my Brother In Laws ( EDWIN) relatives, he must be long gone now, i`m going back about 20+ yrs, Hope you didn`t get too wet to-day on my behalf, sorry about the PUB... Margaret
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1851
I think this is them ???
David Evans head mar 32 farmer 140 acres? Brecon Devynock
Mary " wife mar 29 " Llywel
David " son u/m 9? " Devynock
Esau? " son u/m 5 " "
Rachel " dau u/m 2 " "
Thomas " son u/m 6 months " "
plus 4 servants
living at Cumlynock?, Devynock,Brecknock, Brecon
H0107/ 2489
folio 220
page 29
ricky
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1881
Not 100% sure this is David Evans, was the closest I could find
David Evans boarder wid 62 ag lab Brconshire near Brecon?
lodging with Charles Phillips and family
39 Park Row, Bedwelty, Monmouthshire
Rg11/ 5242
folio 56
page 13
ricky
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Hi Margaret
Dont think the one above is correct as on the 1891 he says he is the father inlaw for the Charles Phillips family, so perhaps David ahd died befor the 1881, unlsess you know different
ricky
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Ricky I think this must be him, Mary died july 1873, so he would be widower by 1881,so I`ll try and look for his children who must have married by 1881, Thank you Margaret
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1881
William Moses head mar 50 tiler/plaster Brecon Maescar
Rachel " wife mar 32 " Devynock
Mary J " dau u/m 9 scholar " Trallong
Margaret " dau u/m 7 " " "
David B " son u/m 5 " " "
Sarah E " dau u/m 3 " "
Jennett? " dau u/m 2 " "
Elizabeth A " dau u/m 6 months " "
Enoch Evans br/in/law u/m 27 carpenter " Devynock
David H Williams appr u/m 15 apprentice carpenter Brecon St Marys?
Emily Harris serv u/m 15 gen serv Brecon St Johns
living at Tynewydd, Trallong, Brecknock, Brecon
Rg11/ 5467
folio 104
page 4
ricky
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what is Charles` wifes name? is it one of his Davids daughters? Marg
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1891
William Moses head mar 50 tiler/plaster Brecon Maescar
Rachel " wife mar 42 "
David B " son u/m 15 " " Trallong
Sarah E " dau u/m 13 " "
Jennett? " dau u/m 12 scholar " "
Elizabeth A " dau u/m 10 " " "
Henry " son u/m 8 " " "
William " son u/m 7 " " "
Gwen " dau u/m 6 " " "
Thomas P " son u/m 4 " " "
James " son u/m 2 " " "
living at Tynewydd, Trallong, Brcknock, Brecons
Rg12/ 4569
folio 92
page 6
ricky
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Hi Margaret
I dont think its the right David Evans as Charles wife is Margaret aged 29 from near Brecon ??? ???
ricky
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Hi Margaret
Did Rachel die before the 1901
1901 census
William Moses head mar 61 plaster Brecons
Catherine " wife mar 51 "
Henry " son u/m 18 worker "
Gwen " dau u/m 16 "
Thomas Philip " son u/m 14 " "
James " son u/m 12 "
living at Tynewydd, Trallong, Brecknock, Breconshire
Rg13/ 5166
folio 95
page 1
ricky
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Rachel Moses
born 1849 ish
died 1892
June quarter
aged 44
Brecknock
Brecon/ Powys
vol 11 b
page 73
ricky
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Hi Margaret & Ricky,
A good candidate for David Evans' son Thomas in '81
RG11/5318/52/1&2
Living 9 High Street, Cefn Coed, Breconshire
Thomas Evans, Head, Mar, 32, Block Layer - Railway Labourer, Brecon, Defynog(sic)
Mary J, wife, 28, Carmarthen, Carmarthen
Thomas C Evans, son, 10, Brecon, Cefn Coed
Annie Evans, dau,8, "
WilliamEvans, son, 6, "
David I Evans, son, 3 months, "
Hannah M Evans, 3, "
William Davies, Father in law, 80, Carpenter, Llanegwad?, Carmarthen
David T Davies, Brother in law, 22, Stone Mason, Glamorgan, Merthyr Tydfil
Fisherman
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hi Margaret
think this is the 1871 for Evan Evans
Evan Evans head mar 26 chandler Breconshire
Martha " wife mar 29 Glam Merthyr
Martha June? " dau u/m 2 " Dowlias
Jno Lewis lodger mar 26 fitter Camarthenshire
Eliza Lewis " mar 26 Breconshire
John Phillips " mar 40 carpenter Herefordshire
Eleanor Evans wid 68 Brecon ??
living at 17 Charlotte Street, Dowlais, Glamorgan
Rg10/ 5398
folio 62
page 41
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I don`t know, there is no mention of her death on this will, and where has this THOMAS COME FROM ? IF HE REMARRIED IT COULD BE HER SON PERHAPS, THE OTHER CHILDREN ARE AS THOUGH, MARGARET
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nOT SO SURE OF FISHERMANS CONTRIBUTION at the moment as none of the names are on this will,and I think they would be, So william Moses did remarry, Think i will pack up for to-night, Thanks all Margaret..
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Hi Margaret
I missed the Thomas P Moses of the 1891 census, sorry about that :-[ :-[
ricky
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Hi Margaret
There is a possible marriage for William Moses in 1894
William Moses
1894
Sept quarter
Brecknock
Brecon/Powys
vol 11b
page 143
on the same page are
David John Davies
Magdalen Moses
Catherine Powell
ricky
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1851
Thomas " son u/m 6 months "
ricky
I`ll try and look for his children who must have married by 1881, Thank you Margaret
The Thomas I found in 1881 seems to fit this one
Fisherman
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Hi Fisherman
It's like looking for a needle in haystack, even worse when the writting aint clear on the census's ;) ;)
ricky
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Hi Ricky'
Some of the images are very poor with bad handwriting and bad (Non Welsh :D )spelling.
I'll check the name of the Tavern you found David Evans in (1871) with Gareth when I go up tomorrow evening. I can't make it out ???
Fisherman
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Hi Ricky'
Some of the images are very poor with bad hadwriting and bad (Non Welsh :D )spelling.
I'll check the name of the Tavern you found David Evans in (1871) with Gareth when I go up tomorrow evening. I can't make it out ???
Fisherman
I aint got a clue what its called, could only just make out the Tavern ;D ;D ;D
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1881
Not 100% sure of this one
Evan Evans head mar 36 engine tender Brecon Llanyamareh?
Martha " wife mar 38 Glamorgan Merthyr
Martha J " dau u/m 12 scholar "
Mary " dau u/m 9 " "
William " son u/m 9 " "
James " son u/m 2 "
living at 14 Cross Blanche Street?, Merthyr Tidfil, Glamorgan
Rg11/ 5314
folio 49
page 47
ricky
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Hi Ricky
Just had a quick look through Gareth's books and the only two pubs in Defynnog he mentions are the Bulls Head and the Tanners Arms, so might be a new one on him.
Fisherman
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1891
Still not sure about this family
Martha Evans head wid 49 Glamorgan Merthyr
Martha J " dau u/m 22 milner dress " Dowlais
Mary A " dau u/m 19 dress maker " "
William " son u/m 15 P.O messenger " "
James " son u/m 12 scholar " "
David James lodger u/m 23 rider in drift? " "
Rd William Evans " mar 21 collier Carn Bangor?
Mary Evans lodger mar 22 Lancs Liverpool
living at 14 Cross Blanche Street, Merthyr Tidfil, Dowlais, Glamorgan
Rg12/ 4438
folio 36
page 34
ricky
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1901
Martha Evans head wid 59 Glamorgan Merthyr
Mary A " dau u/m 29 dressmaker " Dowlias
William " son u/m 25 postman " "
James " son u/m 23 appr engine fitter " "
living at 14 Cross Blanche Street, Merthyr Tidfil, Dowlias, Glamorgan
Rg13/ 5028
folio 37
page 23
ricky
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1891
Enoch Evans head mar 37 carpenter Brecon Devynock
Gwendoline " wife mar 34 " ???????
David H.S " son u/m 3 " St Davids
Lewis J " son u/m 2 " "
living at 35 Orchard Street, St David, Brecon, Breconshire
Rg12/ 4570
folio 66
page 1
ricky
P.S
He is on the 1881 census with his sister Rachel
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1901
Enoch Evans head wid 47 estate carpenter Brecons Devynock
David H " son u/m 13 " St Davids
Lewis John " son u/m 12 " "
Mary G " dau u/m 8 " "
Jane Jones serv u/m 24 housemaid domestic " Hanwells?
living at Ashfield Place, St Davids Without, Breconshire
Rg13/ 5167
folio 49
page 4
ricky
P.S It says married for Enoch, then written over it , it says wid
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I've been able to sort out the name of the tavern where Ricky found David Evans and family.
It was the Nantygwreidden as it was known locally, official name was the Royal Oak.
The tavern was not in Defynnog but two miles outside on the road to Brecon in an area known as Nantygwreidden. To add a little bit o social history two sisters from the Abercamlais estate the Misses Williams, who were part of the local temperance movement, were so disgusted at there brothers activities in London ie gambling, drinking and womanizing that they bought the tavern and closed it down.
Fisherman
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Re Llewellyn Joseph at the Red Lion Sennybridge.
I've had it confirmed this evening by Llewellyn's g/grandughter that he was landlord of the pub in thev early 1900's
Fisherman
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Margaret,
One other piece of information I picked up tonight was regarding Llewellyn and Sarah Joseph's son Joseph David (died July 24 1936) who's headstone I posted yesterday.
He died following a tragic accident with a pair of sheep shearing shears.
Fisherman
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Oh that is very sad. I have a pair. They are very nasty things. how did the accident happen?
Gadget
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Hi Gadget,
I'm afraid that his great niece didn't know how the accident happened.
The thought makes me shudder.
As you say they are very dangerous implements.
Fisherman
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Hello Fisherman and Ricky,, Thanks for all the information on pubs etc, all noted down and filed :)
it was sad about young Joseph David only 22yrs dying as a result of an accident, yes those hand shears are like razors, they have to be to shear, I know as my husband David was a shepherd and he would spend hours sharpening the shears before they had electric ones, one slip with the hand shears could severe an artery in the groin perhaps as the sheep were always held over the one knee and sheared with the other hand one slip and that could be it, Ricky, I don`t think the information you give me on EVAN EVANS was right, you did say you were unsure, his childrens names here are, FREDERICK LEWIS EVANS, and he had 2 children, ELLEN WINIFRED, and DAVID WILFRED SHAWER EVANS ( I think I would rather fetch him than call him ;D ) and a possible AGNESS Margaret
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Ricky, I think I have found AGNES EVANS on the 1881 she is a visitor at Watkin Joseph and wife EMMIE FOREST COTTAGE, DEVYNNOCK, she is age 10yrs and born LLEWYL.... she would be thier neice??still can`t find FREDERICK LEWIS EVANS son Agnes became a MRs MILLETT and died 8/12/1948.. Margaret
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Hi Margaret
I think the Agnes Evans on the 1881 is the daughter of William and Esther Evans, on the 1871 she living at Llywel with them ???
ricky
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Hi Margaret
The only mention I can see of a David Wilfred S Evans is his death
David Wilfred S Evans
Born 2 June 1923
Died July 1999
aged 76
Glamorgan
reg number D5A
entry number 122
ricky
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Hi Margaret
1891
Evan David Evans head mar 46 commercial travler Brecon Llanfydill?
Ellen " wife mar 46 Hereford Ironhope?
Agnes Fullilove " dau u/m 17 ?? scholar Camarthern Pembrey?
Walter Phillips " son u/m 13 scholar "
Frederick Lewis " son u/m 7 scholar Glamorgan Cardiff
Gwladys Mary " dau u/m 3 " Gelligaer
living at Brynteg Hengoes?, Gelligaer, Merthyr Tidfil, Glamorgan
Rg12/ 4432
folio 13
page 4
Do's this sound about right
ricky
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Hi Margaret
Possible marriage for Agnes if the 1891 is correct
Agnes Fullalove Evans
1898
Merthyr Tidfil
vol 11 a
page 1044
on the same page are
William Bowcott
Mary Ann Jones
Robert Millett
Elizabeth Williams
ricky
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Hi Margaret
This could be the family on 1881
Rg11/ 5287
folio 14
page 24 & 25
If you think this is the correct family let me know
ricky
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Hi Ricky and Margaret and Fisherman
A minor matter, I know, but it's starting to annoy me ::)
It's Merthyr Tydfil not Tidfil.
I presume that's what it has on the censuses because Ricky is meticulous but, oh dear, the Welsh genes in me are starting to get >:(
Gadget ;D
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:)HI Ricky,THis Evan DAVID Evans must be right,don`t you think?...as AGNES FULLILOVE,,marriage to ROBERT MILLETT,in 1898, with her name couldn`t be wrong.. I can`t compare the 1881 as it hasn`t printed.. DAVID WILFRED SHAWYER EVANS, I put his name in GOOGLE and up came his name, if it was him and if I can remember rightly he had a medical scholarship, but I couldn`t get into it to read it,perhaps someone would like to look just to see if it is him,,, ;D do you know who FREDERICK LEWIS EVANS married? Margaret.. HI Gadget, don`t get worked up about these WELSH spellings,it hasn`t gone unnoticed but, do you know what ? I don`t really mind because I sometimes can work out what they should be, Merthyr is only 30mins bus ride from me but I like to put the `strange `spellings in it gives me something to work on ;) Margaret
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Hi Margaret,
From Google search.
The Chemical Society (dated January 1945)
Amongst the "List for Application For Fellowship"
Evans, David Wilfred Shawyer B Sc (Lond.) ARIC. British. 1 Ashfield Place Llanfaes Brecon. Shift Chemist Coke Oven Plant.
Signed by John C. Roberts, E. O'F Walsh, D.O. Jordan.
Fisherman
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;D Brilliant, that must be him don`t you think? thanks, but it was far from being MEDICAL ;D ;D.
I was only thinking a while ago, I bet that accident with the shears was in the local paper of that time, Thanks again Margaret.
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Hi Margaret,
I think it's him.
Regarding the accident. I was thinking the same thing. When I see Gareth next I will ask him where it's possible to browse old copies of the Brecon & Radnor.
Knowing our luck it will be at the County Archives in Llandrindod Wells ::)
Fisherman
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Hi Margaret
1901
Robert Millett head mar 33 ironmonger/shopkeeper Somerset Bristol
Agnes F " wife mar 27 Camarthern Pembry?
Agnes G " dau u/m1 Mons Blaenavon?
Alice Rose Green serv u/m 16 gen serv "
living at Commercial Street, Upper Llanfrechava?, Pontnewyndd, Monmouthshire
Rg13/ 4950
folio 155
page 18
ricky
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1881
Evan David Evans head mar 34 drapers asst Brecon Llanyfydill/
Ellen " wife mar 36 " Hereford Foreshore?
Agnes " dau u/m 7 scholar Camarthern Pembrey?
Walter " son u/m 3 "
Living at 116 Broadway, Roath, Cardiff, Glamorgan
next door is this family
Ann Evans head wid 57 retired Llantrisaint? Glamorgan
Eli " son u/m 28 clerk Cardiff
Rg11/ 5287
folio 14
page 24 & 25
ricky
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Hi Margaret,
Just to let you know that Brecon Library have the Brecon & Radnor Express on film.
Fisherman
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THank you fisherman, my B.I Law Edwin said he thought it would be there,thanks Margaret
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Hi Margaret
I carnt see a marriage for Frederick Lewis Evans, not in Wales anyway ???
ricky
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:) Thanks Ricky, I see it strange that the sons second name is WILFRED and the daughters second name is WINiFRED, I wonder if that gives us a clue to the mothers name being perhaps WINEFRED too, JUST ME THINKING ALOUD AGAIN.
Do you want to do more, or have you had enough??/ Margaret
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Hi Margaret
Do you know when his children were born ??? ???
ricky
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Hi Margaret
Don't know if I have posted the 1901 for Evan D Evans
1901
Evan D Evan head mar 55 comercial traveler Brecon Llansfdyddia?
Ellen F " wife mar 55 Hereford Fowhope?
Gwladys M " dau u/m 13 attending school Glamorgan Gelligaer
Elizabeth Harris? serv u/m 16 serv dom ???
living at Haelyfryn House?, Gelligaer, Hengoed, Glamorgan
Rg13/ 5022
folio 89
page 9
ricky
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Hi! No, I don`t have any dates, but his son DAVID WILFRED SHAWER EVANS, was named by the chemical societyin Jan1945, I picked that up on google but couldn`t get in to read it, Fisherman kindly did that for me, his address was 1, ASHFIELD PLACE LLANFAES BRECON, could he still be with his parents at that time do you think, but that will have to remain a mystery I think because the dates are not available, are they?? in 1901 he would have been17yrs and he is not on that census
Margaret..
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Hi Margaret
I just carnt find Frederick Lewis Evans on the 1901, just wonder if he was in the army at that time ??? ???.
So who else have I missed off at the moment, save me wading back through the thread ;D ;D ;D
regards
ricky
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Hi Ricky and margaret
I was going to suggest that the missing men could have been serving in the 2nd Boer War (1899-1902)
I had a quick look on the Nat Archives site last night for David but none with the full mouthful of names and too many using just David.
Regards
Gadget
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OK! Next on the list is Children of Rachel Moses
Mary J, As she is not on the will I can only assume that she must have died,the same with Margaret .
Next is David Benjamin Moses b 1876
SArah E Moses b1878
who became MRS STANHOPE and had 1 daut Dorothy,
Henry Moses b1883, he must have married after the 1901 census as he is still on it then, he had 2 children Rachel Gwenllian Moses and William Henry Moses, I think thats enough for now there are another 4 children Thanks margaret ,,
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Hi Margaret
You all ready have the 1881 and 1891 for David B Moses, so this is the 1901 for him
1901
Thos W? Powell head mar 60 carpenter Brecon Devynock
Eleanor " wife mar 57 " Llywel
Mary A " dau u/m 26? "
David J " son u/m 24 moulder " "
John Evans boarder u/m 47 higler(steel)? Cardigan Aberayron?
David B Moses boarder u/m 25 plaster Brecon Trallong
David J Thomas boarder u/m 22 ironmongers asst Pembroke Wannfach?
living at Merthyr Tydfil, Penydarren, Glamorgan
Rg13/ 5030
folio 94
page 42
ricky
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1901
Sarah E Moses serv u/m 23 housemaid dom Brecon Trallong
she is in the household of Major Jones Williams and family plus another 5 servants
at Ciu Park?, Llanffinan, Brrconshire
Rg13/ 5169
folio 17
page 3
ricky
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Hi Margaret
I carnt see a marriage for Sarah E Moses to a Stanhope,
but this could be the marriage for Henry Moses
Henry Moses
1907
June Quarter
Brecknock
Breconshire/ Powys
vol 11b
page 121
on the same page are
Ann Jenkins
Lizzie Ann Jones
George Miles
ricky
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1891
I think this is Mary J Moses
Mary Moses serv u/m 19 serv dom Breconshire Trallong(transcribed Nallong)
living in the household of Lewis Lewis and family
at
Devynock, Maescar, Breconshire
Rg12/ 4569
folio 66
page 4
ricky
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Hi Margaret
Only birth for Rachel Gwenllian Moses is this one
Rachel Gwenllian Moses
1908
March quarter
Brecknock
Breconshire/Powys
vol 11b
page 7
ricky
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Hi Margaret
I take it that the above didnt get married
Rachel Gwenllian Moses
born 15 Feb 1908
died Feb 1966
aged 88
Brecknock
Breconshire
Reg number 15B
Entry Number 138
ricky
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Hi Margaret
No sign of Margaret Moses after the 1881, nor a death or marriage ??? ???
ricky
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HI!, the rest of Rachels children are,
WILLIAM JOHN MOSES b1884.
THOMAS PHILLIP MOSES 1887ish,
GWEN MOSES 1885ish she married and became Williams,
JAMES MOSES b1886,
Ricky, would it be too much trouble to put the housholds of MARY J and Margaret down for me? only if its ok with you MArgaret,
OOPs! just looking now they are still on the 1901 census, Is it worth it???? marg,
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Hi Margaret
1891
For Mary Moses
Lewis Lewis head mar 36 farmer Brecon Maescar
Sarah Stephens Lewis wife mar 38 " "
Mary M. A. Stephens Lweis dau u/m 7 scholar Brecon Devynock
Mary Moses serv u/m 19 dom serv Brecon Trallong
I carnt make head nor tail of the house they are living in.
ricky
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It's Pen y Pentre, Ricky
Head of the village or settlement :)
Gadget
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Hi Margaret
I couldnt find Margaret Moses after the 1881 which have already done, so I guess you mean Sarah E Moses for the 1901
1901
Major Jones Williams head mar 38 Capt & Honary Major ??? Fusilers Brecon Brecknock
Constance C.F. Williams wife mar 33 Hampshire Winchester
Clara C.L. Williams dau u/m 6 Brecon Llan???
Aowell? A.F Williams son u/m 2 " "
Frank Steward Travers? visitor wid 68 estate agent Norfolk Ditchingham
Elizabeth A Smith serv u/m 26 parlor maid dom Hereford Longtown?
Agnes Evans serv u/m 24 cook dom Carmartherns Llandorey?
Alice William serv u/m 28 nurse dom Derbyshire Benton?
Sarah E Moses serv u/m 23 housemaid dom Brecon Trallong
Kate Dennis serv u/m 13 nursery maid dom " Llanfrynock?
Frank Lister serv u/m 22 coachman dom Devon Crown Hill
ricky
Thankyou Gadget :-*
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1901
William Thomas head mar 36 grocer/sub postmaster Glamorgan Traedyrhau?
Rossetta " wife mar 34 Camarthern Llanyadock?
Ward Reece? " son u/m 8 Glamorgan Yshad?
David T Phillips asst u/m25 asst grocer "
William Moses asst u/m 17 " Brecon Trallong
Thomas D Evans appr u/m 15 app grocer Camarthern New???
Mary Eliz Weeks serv u/m 19 dom serv Gloucs Cirencester
living at 99 Ymps ?? Road, Ystradyfodwg. Glamorgan
Rg13/ 5018
folio 193
page 23
William Moses transcribed as William Mores
ricky
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THANK YOU, The last 2 children of MARY EVANS are ,
THOMAS EVANS, SERANTON< PENNSYLVANIA, USA,
and JOHN EVANS PHILADEPHIA,USA ;D ;D ;D, I have put these in but I don`t expect you to do anything with these, HONEST.......
Margaret.. The next lot are ENOCH EVANS children,
LEWIS JOHN EVANS<
DAVID HENRY EVANS
MARY GWENDOLINE EVANS who became POWELL
these 3 are again on the 1901 census so I don`t think there is any point in tracing them either, Margaret :)
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Hi Margaret
Carnt help with the ones in USA
regards
ricky
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:) Hi! Ricky, No, I really didn`t want you to trace those two brothers, ;D ;D I put them in as you know all the others in the family, better than me I think, so I thought you might like to know their names also, the last daughter of MARY EVANS is Elenor or ELEANOR,she married twice, she was ELEANOR FOULKS, what she was the first time I don`t know, but I think she had a son DAVID ALBERT POWELL,and the very last one on Davids Grandfathers side, and the only one, is SARAH EVANS the daughter of Daniel Evans, she had 3 children,
WILLIAM ELIAS JENKINS. DAVID JENKINS, and SARAH ELIZABETH who married a MC CORMACK, all the others in that family died without issue, margaret
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:) Hi Ricky , any luck with the last lot???
Margaret..
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Hi Margaret
a possible marriage for Eleanor Evans
Eleanor Evans
1873
Sept quarter
Merthyr Tydfil
Brecon/Glamorgan
vol 11a
page 760
on the same page are
David Evans
Margaret Hinkin
Henry Powell
ricky
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Hi Margaret
struggling to find anything on the last lot ??? ???
Do you know when or where the children were born
ricky
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:) HI! Ricky, No I don`t have any dates i`m afraid only names, I`ve spent most of this week trying all ways to find some clues on them but with no luck,if ELEANOR EVANS married in 1873 she would have been 17ish, but I can`t find her under Evans or Powell in the 1881 census, CRAZY.. but will keep trying.. Margaret.
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Hello Ricky, I think I have found SARAH EVANS, /JENKINS in MONMOUTH, would you be able to check that for me if I give you the details or will I have to post another quiry? Margaret
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Hi Margaret
Give me the details and will have a look ;D ;D
ricky
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Thank You,,,, I think SARAH is married to, ELIAS JENKINS<, on the 1881 census they are living at, MIDDLE VROE, LLANOVER, MONMOUTH, they have 3 children, WILLIAM JENKINS,3yrs,MARY ANN, 10yrs, born, LOWER C TREFF, so if the date is right she should be on the 1871 census for that area, and DAVID 10mnths, it seems that Mary Ann was born in the BRECON area the others born in MONMOUTH, many thanks Margaret..
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Hi Margaret
On the 1871
Elias Jenkins lodger u/m 32 ag lab Mons Llanover
lodging in the house of Leah Lewis
at Llanover Lower, Abergavenny, Mons
Rg10/ 5311
folio 17
page 10
ricky
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Hi Margaret
wonder if this is the birth for Mary Ann Jenkins
Mary Ann Jenkins
1872
March quarter
Brecknock
Brecon/Powys
vol 11b
page 103
Only problem is that there are 5 more Mary Ann Jenkins, born Breconshire around the same time
ricky
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SO MARY ANN could have been born after the census,, Marg
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Hi Margaret
There is a marriage in Abergavenny , but not untill 1877, see what you think
Elias Jenkins
March Quarter
1877
Abergavenny
Monmouthshire/Herefordshire
vol 11a
page 66
on the same page are
Sarah Evans
Edwin Lloyd
Maria Price
ricky
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Ricky,, I thought if she wasn`t on the 1891 census she might have died, because she is not named on this will,I have WILLIAM<DAVID< MARY ANN and SARAH ELIZABETH who married Mc CORMACK, so I just wondered how many children she had, Marg
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Yes I think you are right on that marriage AGAIN ;D ;DMarg
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1891
Sarah Jenkins head wid 42 Breconshire Glas??????
William " son u/m 13 ag lab Monmouthshire Llanover?
David " son u/m 10 scholar "
Elizabeth " dau u/m 5 " " Goytre
David Richards lodher u/m 20 gardener domestic Cardiganshire ???
Thomas Jones lodger u/m 21 " Camarthenshire ???
living at Goytre, Monmouthshire.
Rg12/ 4366
folio 16
page 9
ricky
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Hi Margaret
Sarah Jenkins head wid 50 Breconshire Brecon
William " son u/m 30 farm lab Monmouthshire Goytre
Bessie " dau u/m 15 school teacher "
David Richards boarder u/m 30 gardener(not domestic) Cardigan
living at Goytre, Monmouthshire
Rg13/ 4951
folio 9
page 9
ricky
So if this is the correct Sarah, she was still alive in 1901 ???
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She is not on the 1891,, and not on the will, so that tells me she has died,,, Elias was young too as Sarah is a widow now,, Thanks Ricky, off to bed now will be on again tomorrow, NITE,NITE Marg,
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;D YEs Sarah is but not her daughter MARY ANN who wasn`t on the 1891 either,,, NITE, NITE
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:) Hi Ricky, I think we crossed lines last night, Thanks for finding the 1891 and 1901 census for me,the marriage for SARAH and ELIAS JENKINS, was in 1877, MARY ANN was born in 1872ish, perhaps ELIAS wasn`t her father do you think?,,,have you any clues as to the dates of ELIAS and perhaps MARY ANNS deaths also DAVID,where is he on the 1901 census, Marg
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Hi Margaret
This could be the death reg for Elias
Elias Jenkins
born 1837 ish
died 1886
aged 49
Dec quarter
Pontypool
Gwent/ Monmouthshire
vol 11a
page 107
ricky
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Hi Margaret
Do you think this might be Mary Ann Jenkins in 1891
John Griffiths head mar 50 farm bailiff Monmouthshire Goytre
Anne " wife mar 65 head dairymaid " "
Mary Anne? Jenkins 21 dairymaid Breconshire Cantriff?
living at Llanover Farm House, Llanover Lower, Abergavenny Monmouthshire
Rg12/ 4348
folio 91
page 8
didnt it say she was born Cantriff? on the 1881
ricky
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Hi Margaret
I carnt see a death for her, and there is to many marriages for a Mary Ann Jenkins after the 1891 census, to say if any of them are her ???
ricky
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Hi Margaret
I carnt pin point David on the 1901 to say for sure its him, there are none born Llanover ??? ???
ricky
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;D Did it again Ricky,, thanks, yes I think that is MARY ANNE on the 1891 census as place of birth is there and her age so a YES for those, and I think that is the death of Elias, the only other marriage is for ELIZABETH, OR BESSIE as she is on the 1901, she is only 15ys but could have married in the next 10yrs perhaps her name became MC Cormack,
Didn`t come online last night as I said I would, our Grandaughter was in a gymnastic competition and much to our delight she won, getting 87, "AND A HALF NANNA" out of 90, so well pleased with that... Margaret
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Hi Margaret
Pleased to hear that Jessica did well. Just wonder what Mr Mccormack christian name was, have looked for a marriage but couldnt see one ??? ???
ricky
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Hi, Sorry, no name for MR MC CORMACK, ::) not having much luck with this lot,,, never mind, it was worth a try I suppose :)
Did you pick up my other quiry that I posted about the shearing accident for JOSEPH DAVID JOSEPH? Fisherman went to Brecon and paid a visit to the library there and found the coroners report and an account of his funeral.JOSEPH DAVID JOSEPH was the son of LLEWELLYN JOSEPH and his wife SARAH,the latter being the son of LLYSOD EVANS. I know you picked up LLewellyn on the 1891 census as a visitor with THOMAS JAMES in BROAD ST BRECON, he is then age 26ish, can you you find him in 1901 with perhaps his family, the one that died was born in 1914 but he had more children it seems but as to their DOB i havn`t got a clue Marg
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Hi Margaret
I looked for him before on the 1901 and couldnt see him, I tried under Llewellyn, and under his surname Joseph, and both drew a blank ??? ???
ricky
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Hi Margaret and Ricky,
Thought I'd join in the hunt for Llewellyn in 1901 - I can't find him either!
Fisherman
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:DHello Again, Just read through the funeral report again that you sent me fisherman, it says that, THE death of JDJ of GRAIGGOCH, now RICKY, you have sent me that for 1901 and GRANDFATHER is there,JOSEPH JOSEPH, when did he die I wonder??? HD W 80yrs farmer, now I think they have gone back there after he died, also on the report,
FLOWERS from old neighbours at SENNYBRIDGE, so I think he is in that area somewhere Marg.
PPS, Did you find out if anyone remembered Idwal price in SENNY????
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Hi margaret,
Joseph Joseph died in 1908.
Gareth remembers Idwal who moved to Tonna.
Fisherman
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Hi, Idwal was born in TONNa, infact he was born on the farm that my husbands grandparents owned,, THE WENALLT, He bought GELLIDEG farm off his uncle REES the son of this William Price that I have been tracing, it was one of the largest farms in this area, and that is where my husband was a shepherd, Marg
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Hi Margaret,
Don't know if you got these
JDJ was born December Q 1913 mothers maiden name Davies.
Llewellyn Joseph married Sarah Davies in Dec Q 1907.
Fisherman
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Hi Margaret
I have to admit defeat on Llewellyn on the 1901, have tried all the ways I can think of, and nothing ??? ???
ricky
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Hi Ricky
I've had a look at every Joseph in 1901 (over 1000) and I can't see him either.
If he is there must be a really bad transcription.
Fisherman
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HELLO BOYS!, ;D Thanks for all that info,I think you Ricky sent me LLewellyn marriage date and her name some time back, this is just a shot in the dark now, SARAH was a DAVIES, an uncle sent flowers for this funeral and his name was DAVID DAVIES, (possible brother to SARAH???)looked at the 1881 census and found a SARAH DAVIES born 1872 LLANFRYNACH village BRECON with brother DAVID DAVIES, mother Mary Davies head , ag/lab wife, no other siblings, no sign of her husdand, Do you think that this could be OUR SARAH,if so what is on the 1891 and1901 for this family? MARG
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Hi Margaret,
It very well be the right Sarah. Her DOB would be 1872 which would match that of JDJ's mother if I have made a mistake from her gravestone which I think I may have.
I'll have alook for her in 1891 and 1901
fisherman
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Hi Margaret
A Possible
1891
Mary Davies head mar 50 dressmaker Cardigan ???
David Elias " son u/m 17 railway porter Brecon Llanfrynach?
Sarah Ann " dau u/m 19 invalid " "
living at LLanfrynach?, Brecknock, Breconshire
Rg12/ 4571
folio 4
page 2
David has been transcribed as Daris ???, Looks like David to me
ricky
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Thank you Fisherman,,, Ricky , that is the same family, I wonder if that is her???
marg,,
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This is the 1891 census
RG12/4571/4/2
Mary Davies, Head, Married, 50, Dressmaker, Cardigan ??
David Elias Davies, Son, 17, Single, Railway Porter, Brecon Llanfrynach
Sarah Ann Davies, Daughter, 19, Single, Invalid, Brecon, Llanfrynach
Added: Snap Ricky
Fisherman
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:) HI! If Sarah is on the 1901 census she would be aged 29ish, she married in 1907 you say FISHERMAN, and she got married when she was 35ish so there is a strong possibility that that his her :D Marg
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Margaret,
1901
Just found another Sarah Davies with a brother David Living in Sennybridge.
Seems a more likely candidate don't you think.
will post the details in a mo
Fisherman
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1901
RG13/5166/81/15
Can't make out road name but I know it is the main road through Sennybridge because London House is next door
Margaret Davies, Head, Wid, 67, Housekeeper, Carmarthenshire Llandovery
David Morgan Davies, Son, S, 36,General Labourer, Breconshire Trecastle
Sarah Jane Davies, Dau, S, 29, Dressmaker, Breconshire, Sennybridge.
Fisherman
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??? B- - - - R :o Marg
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Exactly what I thought ;D
I'll have to print a copy out and take it up with me tomorrow night and ask the expert. :D
But this one seems to be the best bet.
Fisherman
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CAN`t Believe I sent that.... Well, I am going to have a cup of tea and go to bed and think on this one,I shall be back tomorrow and look at this one again... NITE NITE to you both MARG :-*
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Nite Margaret,
I will let you know what I find out in Sennybridge.
Fisherman
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Hi Margaret,
The street where Sarah Jane Davies was living in 1901 was Powell Street.
That fits nicely with the fact that Llywellyn and Sarah took over the Red Lion in about 1910 because it is almost opposite.
Hope get some more information when I go to Sennybridge tonight.
Fisherman
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Hi Margaret,
Nothing to add I'm afraid
I was hoping to see Llewellyn's great niece but she wasn't there tonight.
I tell you what though this family history is turning me into an alcoholic I seem to be doing a lot of research in pubs these days ;D ;D ;D
Fisherman
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HI! Can`t fault it if you like a drink BUT, don`t drink and drive!!!! THAT POOR CAR!!!..
Paid a visit to my friend in Crynant to- day, does your friend GARETH JONES live at .. DOL-Y- WSG?
Marg
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Hi Margaret,
I'm not sure of the name of Gareth's house.
Next time you are in Crynant call in the cafe and have a cuppa. Let me know and I'll make sure I've got Gareth's books with me.
Don't worry I don't drink and drive, my eldest does the driving.
Fisherman
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OK, Where do you think I could get those books,in Neath or Swansea? I can`t order them as I don`t know the publisher, do you? Marg
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Hi Margaret
The books were published by Old Bakehouse Publications Abertillery.
Book 1, ISBN 1 874538 51 4
Book 2 ISBN 1 874538 87 5
You could try ringing the publishers 01495 216222 or try their website
www.mediamaster.co.uk/oldbakebooks
Fisherman
Added: The link doesn't work
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:) Thank you, I think I will try in Neaths` Smiths, they ordered books for me many moons ago, I will ask there I think, can`t find the name of the books now ??? I did write them down, will have to go back through the threads, its there somewhere,, thanks again Marg.....
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Hi Margaret,
In case you can't find them in the thread both books are called;
The District Of Sennybridge Tecastle And Defynnog "This was a way of life"
The second with the addition Book 2
Fisherman
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:) HI!, thank you, yes I found the title of the books after, I had writen it down on one of the pages in my file, Marg..
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HI Ricky, we never did get that 1901 census for the last lot we were looking at, Fisherman found another family which he thought would be a better match but this family that I found were living in LLANFRYNACH where a lot of these families seemed to live,could you have a look for me please,, thanks a lot Marg.. :)
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Hi Margaret
I had a look for them in Llandfrynach 1901 , and I couldnt see any of them there ??? ???
ricky
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:) HI Ricky, Sorry about that, I didn`t realize that I had asked you to look those up before, it seems that we are at the end of this family quiry, :( I can`t believe that it has been going on since last Oct,,, there are still some that havn`t been found but those are "BY THE BY" as they say, would you help me again if need be? and for anyone who reads this thread,
RICKy has been a great help to me and has got me through a great amount of research, and to anyone who has his help," YOU ARE VERY LUCKY"
RICKY, thanks a million, MARGARET :-* :-* :-*And EDWIN :D
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Books may be out of print, in which case go to www.abebooks.co.uk and look for them there. Just putting in Sennybridge of any other village name will show all books available on that place.
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Good Evening, I was reading your post and just wanted to let you know that i am a 4x Grandaugter of Joseph Joseph and Lyssod Price, my 3x Grandfather was Watkins Joseph.
Regards
Debbie Joseph
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:) Hello Debbie, I`m Margaret, how nice of you to get in touch,, I have a record here of WATKIN JOSEPH and he married EMILY L or EMMIE as she was on the 1881 census, they seemed to have had 1 child his name was THOMAS, are you a descendant of Thomas JOSEPH,
This is such a large family and I wouldn`t have found half of them if it wasn`t for one of the rootchat members RICKY who was a great help to me and another was FISHERMAN who went on a very wet day and took photo`s of the gravestones in the cemetary :D :D "BLESS HIM" I have up to 1901 for Thomas who was then 13yrs but after that there are no records we can check, Hope you will get in touch again Marg,,
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Hello Margaret,
Yes, Tom Price Joseph married Louisa Dodson (1918 Brentford, Middlesex) they had 3 children, Georgina (Jean), Albert and Isabel (I have a photo of Jean and Isabel), I am a grand-daughter of Albert.
I have a record of a David Watkin Joseph born 1882 to Watkin and Emmie, but he is not on the 1891 census, but he could of died but i haven't found a record yet
Regards Debbie
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:) Hello Debbie, thanks for the reply which has put some light on this family for us, I had the name of THOMAS`s children,ALBERT THOMAS,Isabel LOUISA, and Mrs Georgina Iris BROOM, but not his wifes name, so your GRANDFATHER was ALBERT, would you like to pass your line up to your grandfather,if not I wouldn`t mind, but, it would be nice to fill that bit in Thanks again Marg,,,
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Hi Margaret
Looks like some more info for you ;D ;D ;D
regards
ricky ;)
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;) Hi!,Yes that was nice to know, quite pleased about that, just read the rude-ish joke,he should be so lucky,God ,that should be in the guiness book of records, I`m still laughing about that one ;D ;D Margx missing you already,,,
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;) Hi!,Yes that was nice to know, quite pleased about that, just read the rude-ish joke,he should be so lucky,God ,that should be in the guiness book of records, I`m still laughing about that one ;D ;D Margx missing you already,,,
Hi Margaret
Thats gotta be one of the funniest I have seen on here for ages ;D ;D ;D
regards
ricky
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Hi Margaret,
I can give you the info i have,
Albert Thomas Joseph, he died 1993 Huntingdon (Do not know who he married as my father (XXX) was the result of an affair Thomas had, and he was brought up by his paternal grandparents (Tom and Louisa) who owned a shop in Leigh on Sea Essex. He married my mother and i have an elder sister XXX and a brother XXX. I also have 1 half brother and 2 half sisters from my father's marriage to his wife now. I do know that Albert's marriage produced 3 children,but other than that i have no other info....sorry.
Deb
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:) Hi! Debbie, thanks for all the info,but,I am a little confused :-\ was it ALBERT THOMAS who had the affair?? now called TOM, how about you,would you like to be in this family line :) :)? Marg,,
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Albert Thomas was the one who had the affair, sorry Margaret, my father was brought up by Tom and Louisa. I would love to be in the family line.
Deb
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:D OK, no prob, and thanks for clearing that up, this is such a large family and they really are all over the place but its always nice to add someone new, Many thanks Margaret,, ;)
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Hi
I have a book on the Lyywell Area which has a load of info on the families that you are researching., incidentally my folk hail from that area and my grandfather William Price lived in Neath
Here is a short extract, I cannot load any more:
David Price, Ffynonwrgan
Sarah the daughter of Thomas and Gladis Price was born at
Portis in 1816. She married 4.11.1836 Thomas Morgan of
Cwmclydach, but he died in September 1838. Their daughter
Mary died in 1845 aged 7 years. Sarah married again in 1839
David Howells a widower of Cwmcynwal. His first wife had
been Elinor, baptised in 18 11 at Cefn Arthen, daughter of
Thomas and Anne Price,P encaew, hom he married 5.2.1834.
Elinor died 3 1.5.1837 at Gelliglud. David and Sarah had two
children, John born 1841 and Mary 1845. John married c.
1872, Anne eldest daughter of Rees and Agnes James of
Bronydd Mawr. They had one daughter, Sarah Ann who died
in May 1874, and John, her father, died two months later aged
33. Ann then returned to live with her family at Bronydd.
Mary daughter of Dafydd and Sarah married Thomas
Price, Ffynnonwrgan, who was the youngest son of Enock
and Rachel Price. Rachel was the daughter of Watkin and
Lyssod Watkins of Brynmaen and a first cousin of Thomas
Price, Pencae. Enock was the eldest son of David Prees,
yeoman and master carpenter of Cefn Twrch and
Ffynnonwrgan. David Prees was the son of Rees Evan, carpenter
of Traeanglas, born 1736. Evan, another son, was a
carpenter at Blaenhydfer, and died in his 28th year in 1769.
Enock Price and some of his family share the same grave as
Evan Prees which is marked by an altar tomb, near the South
entrance to Llywel Church.
David Price married 20.10.1768 Mary Morgan at Llywel.
We have no record of the deaths of Mary and David, nor can
we find a headstoneW. e know that David Price died in 1817
when his will was proved. His daughters Ann, Sarah and
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Rachel were buried at Brychgoed, and a search of the N.P.R.s
for Brychgoedr evealedt he baptisms of Rachel,d aughter of
David Rees and Mary on 20.11.1777 and Enock, son of David
Rees, Scleidach and Mary 1.2.1780. David Prees widower,
carpenter and joiner married 11.1.1788 Margaret Bowen at
Llywel. On 21.3.1788 we have an entry in the N.P.R.s for
Brychgoed recording the baptism of David son of David Price
and In the Llywel Registert herei s an entry “David son of
David Prys and Margaret carpenter Cefn Twrch was named
by his father an Anabaptist but not baptised on
Sunday 21st June 1789 “. “David son of David Prees of Cefn
Twrch and Margaret (aged 22) was publicly baptised in
Llywel Church on Sunday 26th May 18 11 by James Evans,
Vicar.” A baptismal entry for 26.5.1811 reads, “David son of
David Prees and Margaret Cefn Twrch, aged 22”. If these
entries are correct then that for Brychgoed is incorrect. It is
believedth at many baptismsw erem adeb y itinerant preachers
in the homes, and dates of baptisms in the registers are out of
chronologicals equenceA. nother caseo f dual entry is that in
the Llywel Registero f “Baptisms 28.4.1774S arahd aughtero f
Thomas Morgan and Margaret, Nantypistyll Uchaf by Rev.
Morgan Jones, Presbiter”. The N.P.R. for Cefn Arthen
records the baptisms on 28.4.1774 of Sarah daughter of
Thomas Morgan, Penrhiw, by Rev. Morgan Jones.
Sarah, daugher of David and Mary was buried at Brychgoed
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Hello Blackbill44, Sorry, I have only recently picked up your message, its nice to know that someone has taken an interest in it still.
THe book that you had the information from, is it called ROOTS AND BRANCHES by T O EVANS, if so I also have it here, it was given to me by my brother/in/law, EDWIN BRYCHAN EVANS who was a first cousin to the auther.
Many of the names are not familiar to me I must say as I have only gone back to the 1841 with a lot of help from another roots chatter RICKY1 and fisherman, but I`m sure that they must belong somewhere along the line, one name does stand out and that isEnoch Price and Rachel, I have the record of their son THOMAS m Mary well, THomas` sister GWENLLIAN Price married my husbands Greatgrandfathers brother John Evans who farmedat ALLTYFAN and then took over the farm Ynysfawr from his father David Evans who was the minister of SARON chapel Cwmwsg when he died, I just wonder about your WILLIAM PRICE in Neath, that would be nice to know, If you have time could you let me know,because the Price family had 12 children could you possibly be one of our family???? Marg,,, :D
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I googled Edward Bucklow and found this chat from about a year ago
mostly between Ricky1 and Margaret Davies
He married Jane Joseph in Llandeilofawr Carmartenshire in1888
I have him in Wales in the 1850's with parents but had no more info until this appeared
My interest is the Bucklow side.
Ken
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:D Hello Ken, Well, I`ve picked this up a bit late in the day but felt I had to reply to your post,,
I am Margaret Davies that started this family off on ROOTSCHAT aand was very fortunate to have RICKY1 help, this is what I have on EDWARD BUCKSON( as name was spelt) on the 1891 census,
EDWARD BUCKSON 42yrs H INLAND REVENUE OFFICER
JANE " 24Yr EDWARD " 1yr
JANE FRAZER 17yrs SERV
living at BOYNSMILL COTTAGE FORGUE ABERDEENSHIRE
newspaper announcment
EDWARD BUCKLOW born24May 1889 4-30pm @ BOYNSMILL COTTAGE ABERDEENM mother JANE maiden name JOSEPH, the name here is correct now BUCKLOW,
Hope this will be of some help to you MARG,,,
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Margaret
Thanks for replying
His father was Edward married to Jane Joseph
His father was also Edward married to Mary Anne Smith.
The whole family, generations, seemed to be Excise/Revenue Officers
which might explain the Scottish addresses - near Distilleries.
You mentioned Edward/Jane had 6 sons
3 before 1901 census 3 after
I have the one you found Edward in 1889.
I have traces, if that is the correct word, on Alfred, Frank, Harold and Ernest which I will confirm at my leisure.
Where did you get these and do you know anything about Charles?
If you are interested in thew Bucklow side let me know.
Ken
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HI Ken, THanks for your reply, but, can I ask if you are in touch with someone else on this one as I haven`t mentioned other siblings in this family, I did have information for you on the 1901 census 2 other children who are Alfred and Frank J, and you mentioned Charles,so I can add him to what I`ve got although I don`t know the ages,,did you know on the 1901 they had changed their address? Marg,,
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Hi Margaret
I see the thread has come back to life again ;) ;) ;)
ricky
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:) HI Babe, Yes, would you believe it,, but trying now to find the death of Davids,my David that is,Greatgrandmother,New post, How are you anyway???
Margx
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Hi Margaret
No I am not in contact with anyone else but I got this about six sons from your post of18 Jan 08 at 22:22hrs, at least I think it was you.
You were replying to Ricky1 and Gadget.
The Charles mentioned was in your post.
Anything about this Edward Bucklow/Jane Jacobs connection is new to me.
Ken
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Margaret
Just looked at my last post
I should have said Jane Joseph NOT Jane Jacobs
Ken
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Hello All
Please keep this thread on topic!
This board is intended for family history and you are tending to get carried away with the greetings side of things! ;)
I haven't yet fathomed how we ended up in Aberdeenshire but will read through to see whether the thread needs to be split. Again, you can help by starting new threads for new topics, rather than adding everything here - remember to link where appropriate though.
Thanks for you co-operation.
Arranroots ;)
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OK some apologies required here.
You've all done amazingly well and the off-topic stuff isn't as bad as I first thought - sorry!
Welcome to the newcomers - great to get some confirmation and make some links.
I would still like to lock this thread now though as it is getting too cumbersome to read properly. What we need to do is start a new thread for each of the branches you decide to explore further (Margaret or her new-found relatives!)
It would be a good idea to cut and paste the URL from this thread - just to that readers of the new threads know where it all started.
I'll leave this open tonight for Margaret to see - perhaps you'd like to lock it yourself? Give a shout if you need help with anything.
Kind regards, Arranroots ;)
p.s. just an observation, and no reflection on the good work done here but from experience it is often a good idea to "prove" these EVANS, JONES etc families by buying certificates or other means. There are just so many of them!
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Sorry if I have upset someone by replying to this thread Marg,,
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:) Hi Ken, Sorry, yes we did sort this family out back in Jan 08, and reading back the names of the children came off an old will that I had at that time,and that is i`m afraid as far as we went,on that one, Marg,,
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Marge
Thanks - I suppose we had better close this now
Ken
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:D HI Ken It seems that if you start a new topic, Edward Bucklow for example,and you think I can help you with anything I can reply to that, Marg,,
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Margaret
Opened a new post under Edward Bucklow.
Whose will was it and when?
Ken
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:) Where have you posted it, can`t find it at the moment, Marg,,
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Here you are, Margaret:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,361955.0.html
Gadget :)
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:-* Thanks Gadget,I did find him EVENTUALLY,not very good at this at the best of times,,Marg,,