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Hello
There is a Gregory Haines b 1861 Sussex recorded in the 1861 and 1871 Census for Sussex and living in London in the 1891 C,ensus.
As the christian name was very commonly linked to our Haines family, I would like to know if this man was in any way related
Would someone please look up these records
Thanks
Simon
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Hi Simon
Here he is in 1861
Jan ;)
Reynell Cottage Walberton
William Haines Head M 42 Artist Middlesex St Georges
Sarah do Wife 32 Boxgrove Sussex
Elizabeth do Daur 7 Paddington
William T do Son 5 do
Henry H do do 3 do
Hester do Daur 2 do
Gregory do Son 0 Walberton Sussex
plus 2 servants
RG9/619/24 Pg9
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In 1871 the family are in North Pallant, Chichester with to extra children
Robert 8 and Arthur 3 both born Walberton. Sarah has died and William is a widower occupation Income derived from Houses and Dividends.
RG10/1118/72 Pg3
Jan ;)
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Gregory is still single in 1891 - a solicitor living with his widowed father, unmarried sister Elizabeth and unmarried brother Arthur in Putney.
RG12/452/61 Pg33
Jan ;)
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Thanks for the info Jan
Can't see William on my tree. There is no record of William & Sarah's marriage in Sussex in @1853 (she came from Boxgrove) or in London. The only William Haines b in London (on Familysearch) was bap at Christ Church, Southwark, son of Richard & Esther and one in 1819 son of William & Ann Maria
The Haines did have plenty of property in Sussex, so from his occupation he could be one of the family. But what was he doing in Middlesex?
I will need to find his parents to see whether they moved to London from Sussex or go back until an ascendant is recognised. ???
Simon
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I've had a quick look for William in 41 but can't see an obvious candidate and I don't have access to 51 - maybe post a look-up for him in case he is helpfully still living with parents?
Jan ;)
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I've found a William Haines aged 32 born St George in 1851 - just waiting for the image to come up >:( >:(
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Sorry about that -- it stuck half way ::)
1851
HO107. P. 1575 Fl. 307 Pg. 31
12 Canterbury Street, Lambeth
HAINES
Ann Head Wid 62 Gentlewoman B. Middlesex
William Son Un 32 Gentleman B. Middlesex St George
Frederick Son Un 24 Solicitor B. ~ ~
Ann Coxford Svt. 32 Housemaid B. Surrey, Streatham
Hannah Mitchell Svt Wid 40 Cook B. Somerset, bristol
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Thanks for further info.
I think there must be more than one Haines living on independent means!. Unless there is a connection much earlier, I think that this is a another Haines family altogether
Still I am intrigued by the christian name. Apart from the Haines', I haven't come across it anywhere else - yet
Simon
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Hi,
Is it possible that William HAINES married a relative, I found this possible marriage,
William HAINES Sep Q 1851 Lambeth 4 408
others with the same reference,
Elizabeth CATTERMULL
John James Robert FRIEND
Sarah HAINES
Mary SHEPHERD
Joseph SMITH
Bridget TINKER
Samuel WORLEY
There is a Sarah HAINES born Boxgrove abt. 1829,
Sarah HAYNES
Christening: 01 APR 1829 Boxgrove, Sussex
Father: William HAYNES or HAINES
Mother: Anne
To try and narrow down the others...
I can see a Bridget TINKER born Norfolk living in Lambeth in 1851 and a Joseph SMITH with wife Bridget born Norfolk in Lambeth 1861.
...and that's as far as I can get :(
Regards
Daisy
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Thanks Daisy
Are you indicating that William and the other 7 were paired and married, in other words William was m to one of the women in the list etc etc?
Can you tell me the names of William's parents? I can find no mention of Sarah Haines or her parents. Boxgrove was a town inhabited by many Haines during the 16th, 17th and 18th Centuries. I expect this family can probably be traced to one of these. I will need to research this. My last ref was John Haines bap 1614 Boxgrove!
Simon
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Hi Simon
Daisy is not online so
Yes William Haines will have married one of the women on the list - quite likely
Sarah Haines
You can search here for BMD's post 1837
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
The baptism for Sarah Haines in Boxgrove is an extracted record on the IGI - this site allows you search extracted entries by parish
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/
As you pointed out in an earlier post there is no obvious baptism for William on the IGI so finding his parents is more tricky - although you do have his mother as Ann. Unfortunately I cannot find the family in 1841 when his father may have been alive.
The only sure way of finding out would be a birth certificate for one of the children to confirm Sarah's maiden-name and the the marriage cert to find William's father's name. Probably not a route you wish to take in this case!
Jan ;)
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Hi,
Thanks for explaining Jan :)
This looks like Sarah HAINES in 1841 and 1851,
1841 HO107/1100/3 f.13 p.1&2 Boxgrove
Boxgrove Street
William HAINES 35 Ind
Elizabeth 60 Ind
Anne 35
Sarah 12
Mary 9
Hester 5
Frances 1 All born in County
1851 HO107/1652 f.356 p.6 Boxgrove
Boxgrove
Elizabeth HAINES Head W 75 Annuitant Sussex Hollingbourne
Ann Daur-in-law W 49 Landed Proprietor " " Boxgrove
Sarah Daur U 22
Esther Daur U 15
Frances Daur 11
Thomas Son 8 All children born Boxgrove
Daisy
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Thanks for the info
So far this seems to be this Haines Family
Thomas b? m 27/1/1801 Boxgrove d?
Elizabeth (nee Faulkner) b @1775 Hollingbourne, Sussex d?
William bap 2/2/1802 Boxgrove m 11/12/1823 Boxgrove d?
William bap 2/2/1802 Boxgrove m 11/12/1823 Boxgrove d? Living on Independent means
Ann (nee Walkins) b @1802 Boxgrove
Sarah bap 1/4/1829 Boxgrove
Esther b @1835 Boxgrove
Frances b @1839 Boxgrove
Thomas b @1842 Boxgrove
What happens to William after 1841?
I'm not sure where Thomas fits in as I have a big gap between him and John bap Boxgrove in 1614!
Simon
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the Cattermull family lived near or in Wickham Market. Suffolk