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Am new to this so treat me gently ::) Trying to trace my fathers line.I have no known relatives to ask about this,only have his marriage certificate which names his father. Also my father had a brother and I do not know his name.All I know is that he had children and that they moved to Toronto,Canada.
Any ideas as to where I should look next would be appreciated :)
John Stephenson
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What are the names of your father and grandfather? What is the information on the marriage cert - year, names, ages, occupations, witnesses?
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Hi snatcher,
welcome to RootsChat.
I would suggest that you think before putting all that information on line as it may reveal security passwords for banking or similar but first, if the date of the certificate is some time ago, you may be able to use the name and age to find a birth registration on:
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
or one of the other sites.
If the name is not too common, you should be able to recognise the exact entry and find the mother's maiden name (if born after 1911). then you could use the family name and mother's maiden name on the same site to identify other siblings in the same family.
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The names of deceased father/grandfather should present no problems on here. There must be thousands of posts with the same information.
If we can offer help, need some information to get going.
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What are the names of your father and grandfather? What is the information on the marriage cert - names, ages, occupations, witnesses?
Father - John Burnett Stephenson, age 37 when married (DOB 1903 Gateshead Jul/Aug/Sep Vol 10A Page1066)
Married - Rose Etta Smith age 27 when married
Married at - St Chads Church,Gateshead 28Dec1940(witnesses L Peacock,B Stephenson)
Grandfather - William Roger Stephenson(occupation looks like fireman)
John
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One birth coming up from freebmd - but too late to be grandfather I should think
William Roger Rogerson Stephenson
March 1889, registration district Sunderland, vol 10a, page 639
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
edit:
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another
Rose Etta Smith
March 1901, Gateshead, 10a/1079
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You may have to get your father's birth cert for his parents' names. I'm just looking in the 1911, but it's pretty tricky to find him.
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Really do appreciate the help.It delays stumbling about aimlessly!!! :)
John
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I've posted a link to freebmd.
The gro for the certificate is
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
register
page one, fill in and answer YES you have the General Register Index which is
name, year, quarter, district, vol, page
page two, delivery details
page three, fill in the red-starred bits only
cost £7 with this information, delivery is quite quick at the moment.
You will also need to have a look at the censuses on Ancestry or Findmypast.
Ancestry does a 2week free session, with your credit card, phone to cancel before the 2 weeks is up.
Findmypast is subscription or pay-as-you-go.
Familysearch has the 1881 census free.
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I've posted a link to freebmd.
The gro for the certificate is
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
register
page one, fill in and answer YES you have the General Register Index which is
name, year, quarter, district, vol, page
page two, delivery details
page three, fill in the red-starred bits only
cost £7 with this information, delivery is quite quick at the moment.
You will also need to have a look at the censuses on Ancestry or Findmypast.
Ancestry does a 2week free session, with your credit card, phone to cancel before the 2 weeks is up.
Findmypast is subscription or pay-as-you-go.
Familysearch has the 1881 census free.
So I need to use that link to get my dads birth certificate using DOB Jul/Aug/Sep Gateshead Vol 10A page 1066 ? Will it have my grandfathers address on?
Cheers John
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Just looking at the
1891 census 1901 census and there only seems to be on William R Stevenson but this one is born abt. 1887 and he is born in Collierley, Durham.
RG13/4666/94/page 45
Perhaps this is them - if so they are living with their son in law and presumably a daughter, Edward & Mary Oliver and their 3 children
John Stephenson, father in law, age 54, Mason's lab., born Ovingham, Durham
Christiana Stephenson, mother in law, age 51, born Collierley, Durham
Robert Stehenson, son, brother in law, age 27, Mason's lab., born Collierley
William R Stephenson, brother in law, age 14, born Collierley
Welcome to RootChat :D
Maggie
(correction on year of census - apologies for any confusion I may have caused :-\)
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Hi John,
The 1911 would probably be the next step, once you have more details of your father's family, as, with the birth certificate you should get details of both parents names and a recently declared occupation of the (grand)father as well as your father's name. Your father's second name does not seem to have been listed unless he is in the part not yet released (or mistranscribed which unfortunately is quite likely, from experience).
It's at:
http://www.1911census.co.uk
Free to search but need to pay to view transcription or original page unless you can get into the National Archives at Kew where it's free to view and only 20p per page to print out.
You may need to wait a week or two though as I understand Gatehead was included with Northumbria for some reason and that's not released yet, but other parts of the North East are already on-line.
Also, once you have both parents' names then you will be able to search for their marriage on FREEBMD, and so on.
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1901 - William R Stephenson, brother in law, age 14, born Collierley
t would make him very young (but obviously not impossible) to be father in 1903.
I'm still looking in 1911. there is one William R Stephenson 22 , no Thomas in the family. Will carry on looking.
But the easiest and most reliable thing is to get the birth certificate.
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Hi again,
you can usually get certs from either the GRO or from the local register office for the registration.
GRO charge extra unless you provide them with the full reference from the national index.
Local register offices can be more flexible (they don't use national index references and sometimes provide a certificate that is derived from a photocopy of the original entry) but some make a charge for postage costs.
Either way it should have the address of the informant (usually a parent in England and Wales) and the full name (including maiden name) of the mother.
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As so -
I've posted a link to freebmd.
The gro for the certificate is
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
register
page one, fill in and answer YES you have the General Register Index which is
name, year, quarter, district, vol, page
page two, delivery details
page three, fill in the red-starred bits only
cost £7 with this information, delivery is quite quick at the moment.
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Hello John
The following might be worth investigating further:
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Marriages Mar 1901
S. Shields Vol. 10a Page 945
Evans Isabella
McDONALD Martha Ann
PACE Thomas Spence
Stephenson Roger William
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No obvious sign of a William Roger Stephenson on FreeBMD. Perhaps he “switched” forenames!
Ivan
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There's a Rose E. Smith b DecQ1913 Gateshead 10a p2076 mothers name Fisher, that fits with an age of 27 in 1940. Don't know if it fits with anything else ;D
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Switched to Roger William - was that common??? Stehenson !!! Nice one if it is my Grandfather would be nice.Cheers
Jhn ;D LOL
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Switched to Roger William - was that common???
It wasn't uncommon, John!!
Ivan
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And a William Rodgers Stephenson DecQ1863 Gateshead 10a p572
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Oh that looks very good indeed, ivanidea. Nice work!
The name switch is often found. also the names on marriage cert for the fathers can be different to what the father is known by or vice versa. eg called Richard John but known by family as Jack. Or sometimes even invented, or a stepfather.
My own father put his name as William Patrick on the marriage cert. Wasn't called William at all! Good job I knew my mum's name ;D ;D
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There's a Rose E. Smith b DecQ1913 Gateshead 10a p2076 mothers name Fisher, that fits with an age of 27 in 1940. Don't know if it fits with anything else ;D
Yes you have just found my mother - you should have worked for the police dept ;D My cousin has my mothers side well sussed its my dads side where all the blanks are.
Thanks John
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- you should have worked for the police dept
Thanks John
I used to work for the Inland Revenue, it's almost the same ;D
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;D ;D ;D ;D
Trish
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Many thanks everyone.This is my first posting on here and everyone seems very helpful and friendly :)
Will get on the order my dads birth certificate right now
John
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Well my dads birth certificate has now arrived and I have the following information from it
Dads name - John Burnett Stephenson
DOB - 23 July 1903
Place of birth - 36 Affleck Street Gateshead
My grandads name - William Stephenson,occupation railway engine driver
Grandmothers name - Catherine Stephenson (nee Haveron - thats what it looks like anyway!!)
Just after a bit direction off my peers as to what my next move should be. Obviously I will have to eventually get my plastic out,thats not a problem.I would just like to do a bit delving by myself first
::)
My two aims are to follow back the family name as far as possible.The second part is to get in touch with my relations who live or once lived in Toronto. My dad had 3 sisters,Catherine,Beatrice and Betty.He also had a brother - possibly called George.I believe that George gives me the Canadian link.
All ideas gladly taken on board
Thanks John :)
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Well, by 1903 they'd been married a fair old while by the look of it
Dec 1887 district Gateshead 10a/1064
William Stephenson to Catherine Haveron
Interesting.
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Probable birth
Dec 1869 Newcastle T 10b/19
Catherine Haveron
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1891 RG12/4178/13/20
William Stephenson 26 railway worker b Durham
Catherine 21 b Newcastle Northumberland
George W 3 b Gateshead
Thomas 1 b Gateshead
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1901 RG13/4754/151/412
William Stephenson 36 railway engine driver, b Heworth Durham
Catherine 31
George W 13 railway office boy
Robert 8
Elizabeth 6
Catherine 3
Beatrice 6mths
children all b Gateshead
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1881, there's a possible for Catherine:
Thomas Haveron head age 53 occ painter b. Ireland
Elizabeth wife age 52 b. Northumberland, Hexham
Susanna dau age 13 b. Newcastle
Catherine dau age 11 b. Newcastle
Sebastian son age 9 b. Newcastle
John son age 6 b. Newcastle
Elizabeth Galloway g.dau age 15 b. Newcastle
RG11 piece 5050 folio 30 page 15
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Thanks ever so much for that Silvery,never knew my dad had two brothers :)
John
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This is also possible from FreeBMD
Thomas Haveron m Elizabeth Irwin DecQ1846 Newcastle Tyne 25 p456
( I have Urwins from Corbridge wonder if there could be a connection with Irwins from Hexham? A bit fanciful maybe)
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And from the IGI Elizabeth Irwin bap 13 July 1828 Hexham parents George Irwin and Jane.
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I have never been on a site that is as friendly and welcoming as this one.Its like a breath of fresh air :)
John
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And Thomas and Elizabeth in 1851 H0107 piece 2404 folio 323 page 63
Thomas Haveron age 23 occ puddler b Ireland
Elizabeth age 22 b Hexham
Jane age 4 b Newcastle
George age 2 b Newcastle
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To be certain you have the correct people, you really need the 1887 marriage certificate which would give you the names and occupations of their fathers.
But this looks interesting
1871 RG10/5050/102/72
William STephenson 32 tinsmith b Oldham Lancs
Eleanor 29 b Heworth Durham
Catherine 8
William 5
Alice 3
Joshua 1
Alice Stephenson,67 mother b Oldham Lancs
children all b Heworth.
and on the same page - possibly brother - but a bit odd that the children are all named the same (naming pattern?) and are all the same ages.
John Stephenson 24 engineman b Oldham Lancs
Elizabeth 24 b Felling Durham
William 5
Alice 3
Joshua 1
children all b Felling
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Ten years later
1881 RG11/5061/96/7 32 Thornton St
William Stephenson 42 plumber b Manchester
Ellen 39
Catherine 18 dom serv
William 15 slaters lab
Alice 13
Joshua 11
Ellen 8
James 6
Mary M 4
Grace 2
all b Felling Durham
also
1881 RG11/4941/110/36 2 Brick Row Tanfield
John Stephenson 34 fireman (stationary engine) b Rochdale Lancs
Elizabeth 34 b Felling
William 15 screener in colliery (miner) b Felling
Joshua 13 driver in colliery b Felling
John 7 b Tanfield
Elizabeth 4 b Tanfield
Andrew 2 b Tanfield
Alice 1 mth b Tanfield
No way of telling if either or neither of them is the correct family. Must get marriage cert ;)
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Thanks ever so much for your help,thats my Grandads wedding certificate now ordered :)
John
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Hi everyone,just got back from a holiday to find my grandads wedding certificate has arrived.I cannot make out some of the writing,are there any experts out there???
Here is a photo of the full certificate,I had a bit play in Photoshop to enhance it as much as possible
Moderator comment: image removed. Only small portions of GRO certificates may be posted.
In this section I cannot make out the fathers professions
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k38/snatcherphoto/2-80.jpg)
Cannot make out the profession in this one
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k38/snatcherphoto/3-66.jpg)
In this one cannot make out the bottom witness
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k38/snatcherphoto/4-60.jpg)
I really have you all to thank for getting this far.Open to suggestions as to my next step.I just had to smile when I seen that my great grandfathers name was "George Stephenson" ::)
John
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George Stephenson Miner
Thomas Haveron Broker
William Stephenson Stoker
Susanna Haveron Witness
I think....
Gillg :)
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I agree Gillg, that's what I think it says too. :)
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It looks like William's occupation may be 'stoker', but difficult to read. It makes sense as he goes on to be a railway engine driver.
I have found 1871 a William with father George who is an engine driver for the NE railway, but the marriage cert says George is a miner.
Keep looking............
edited: This looks good to me, father then son on the railway. But doesn't square with the 'miner' occupation
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Does the marriage certificate just have his name as William? No second name?
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Think I've gottem.
1871 RG10/5048/58/20
address, High Heworth Road
George Stephenson 36, coalminer b Heworth Durham
Margaret 47 b Tanfield
John Burnett 17 quarryman b Tanfield
Esther Burnett 15 b Tanfield
William Stephenson 6 b Tanfield
the Burnett link is quite nice ;D
Possible second marriage for Margaret ??? Will check
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Yes, Margaret in 1861
RG0/3797/49/22
John Burnett 37
Margret Burnett 36
Mathew Burnett 14
Joseph Burnett 12
John Burnett 8
Ester Burnett 6
John Burrnett 56
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Marriage
March 1868 (? after William ? )
South Shields 10a/668
Margaret Burnett to George Bailley Stephenson
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There's two likely marriages for John Burnett,
1845 to Margaret Burrell or Margaret Parker
and
1846 to Margaret Cook
found on freebmd searched 1841 to 1851 Co Durham
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
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There's two possible deaths for John Burnett, one in 1863 and one in 1866 both Gateshead registration district which includes Heworth.
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Well now you have the question, was William a Burnett or a Stephenson? ;)
I think Stephenson.
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And a William Rodgers Stephenson DecQ1863 Gateshead 10a p572
Angelfish got the birth on page 2.
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1911 census
STEPHENSON ROBERT (RG14PN30414 RG78PN1748A RD557 SD2 ED4 SN154)
address: 94 Derwentwater Road Gateshead
William Stephenson 46 b Heworth - trimmer for shipping coy
Catherine 41 b Newcastle
George 23
Robert 18
Elizabeth 16
Catherine 13
Beatrice 10
John 7
all children b Gateshead
Thomas b 1889/1890 isn't there. Now I look again he wasn't there in 1901 either. Think he may have died 1893 Gateshead, aged 3.
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Does the marriage certificate just have his name as William? No second name?
Yes thats all it says Silvery. I know I am in the hands of the experts now ::) Thannks for all of your help team.You are a real friendly lot :)
I know I will have to get my plastic out at about this stage to track the Stephenson name back even futher! You are the experts,what should my next move be>
John
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1851 HO107/2401/35/17 Windy Nook
Robert Stephenson 51 grindstone quarryman
Margaret 30 wife (probably aged 50)
Margaret 26 dau
William 20 son
George 17 son quarryman
Margaret 8 g'dau
all b Heworth, except Robert b Lamasley, Durham.
Is this George?
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In 1841 there doesn't seem to be any parents with this bunch
No relationships given in 1841 and just Y or N for whether or not born in county
HO107/piece 317/book 12/folio 32/page 14
Hewarth Terrace, Hewerth
George Stephenson 13
William 9
Isabella 5
John 3
All b in county.
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Looking in the International Genealogial Index (IGI) compiled by the Latter Day Saints there is
father: George Stephenson mother: Frances
all dates of christening
Susannah 23rd Sept 1821
Mary -- 15th Feb 1827
Jane - 11th Sep 1831
George - 30th Marh 1929
William - 13th July 1834
These are extracted records, so taken from the parish records, can be relied on . Assuming there's been no mistakes in transcribing.
But - can't work it out. Maybe there are two families in Heworth, one with Robrt as head, and one with George.
edit: Neither of these two lots of families 'fit' do they.
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Find Robert in 1861 - RG9/3797/60/43 - Windy Nook - all b Heworth
Robert Stephenson 61 quarryman
Margaret 62
George 28 son quarryman
Robert 13 g'son
Mary 10 g'dau
If you put into ancestry just 'Stephenson' and Durham Heworth, all of them should become listed.
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Does the marriage certificate just have his name as William? No second name?
No second name on the certificate.All it says that he was married on 23 October 1887,aged 23 and at the time lived at 18 Edward Street.The wedding took place at Christ Church,Gateshead and he married Catherine Haveron,aged 18 and she lived at St Nicholas,Newcastle
John
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Ok I think I've got 'em anyway.
moving back to William
1881 RG11/5029/127/26 - 134 Heworth Colliery
George Stephenson 48 coalminer b Heworth
Margaret 56 b Tanfield
William 16 stone quarryman b Heworth
I would download a family tree programme and put them all in it. Once they are all in a programme, you can export the gedcom (list of names) from and to any other programme.
Try this to be going on with - http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp
The 'companion' will print out three generations, but if you phone them, it costs about $6 for the full programme.
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repost the link
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp
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I cannot believe within a few short weeks of not knowing who my grandfather was I know who my great -grandfather was :) As you say its nice to see that Burnett theme as well. Thanks so much to everyone who has spent time doing these searches for my benefit. I owe you all big style.Need any help with photographical stuff,just say the word.Quite adept in Photoshop so if you have a picture you would like enhancing eg removing unwanted background objects,removing spots from faces etc I am your man. By the way mods its all free gratis and there is no commercial catch here.
Kind regards
John Malcolm Stephenson
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John, you are very welcome. Glad to trace you back. But there's lots more you could trace! Maybe your cousin may be interested.............
Get yourself over to the photography restore board! 8)
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John, you are very welcome. Glad to trace you back. But there's lots more you could trace! Maybe your cousin may be interested.............
Get yourself over to the photography restore board! 8)
Eh???
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Yes if your a dab hand with photos rootschat has a photo restoration board.where you can help ;
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,298.0.html
celia
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[My cousin has my mothers side well sussed its my dads side where all the blanks are.
Thanks John
Just thought the cousin might be interested in the findings? Or is your Dad's side of no interest to him? Perhaps your mum is his aunt, and her husband is not a big priority in his tree.
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[My cousin has my mothers side well sussed its my dads side where all the blanks are.
Thanks John
Just thought the cousin might be interested in the findings? Or is your Dad's side of no interest to him? Perhaps your mum is his aunt, and her husband is not a big priority in his tree.
Yes that is the case Silvery.I will still pass the information onto him though.Thanks
John
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Hi.... My name is Chris Stephenson and I was searching for information on my father, John Burnett Stephenson and I came upon this site. My father was born near Sedgefield in Durham county in 1912. His mothers surname was Burnett, hence his middle name. I wonder if somehow we are connected?
Regards, Chris
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Well.
On freebmd (http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl) there is
June quarter 1912, district Sedgefield, vol 10a, page 363
John B Stephenson
mmn Burnett
What was his mother's first name? Could look for the marriage to see if anything ties in with what's already been posted.
(There was another John Burnett Stephenson born in 1909 but he died in the same quarter as the birth. Probably the same family re-using the name. )