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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Donegal => Topic started by: cranstone on Wednesday 08 April 09 19:00 BST (UK)
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Good morning all
I have found the following and wondered if anyone knew how to find out more on them please?
All I have to go on is...
McCorkell Line Ships
Stadacona 1800 tons
Captain Stewart
Forward $6689
William (28) and Sarah Whittaker (30) (I assume they are man and wife)
went to Philadephia from Londonderry
Address Glencash, Clonleigh, PO Co Donegal
in Feb 1866 and also Jul
I really don't understand the above as it seems to have 2 dates????
Also does P.O. stand for Post Office?
I'm not sure if I am allowed to mention the site I found it on - can I? But I wondered if anyone can give me any help on finding their marriage/anything on them in US or if someone can explain the above to me please?
How can I fid out more on them please can anyone help - marriage/where they were in US/ born etc., anything will be of interest.
Many thanks
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Hi
I can't help you with the Ship but when I wrote to my Granny her address was Laghey PO (Post Office) Donegal.
Regards
Pat
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Hi Violet
Thanks for that, that's interesting, so he may have had letters sent to the PO for himself ??? ???
kind regards
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Letters too and from the homeplace in Ireland would have been in care of the local post office and that's the 'address' given in the shipping information. Remember that only people in towns would have used a street address- everyone in the countryside would have used the name of their townland to identify their location.
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Hi
Thanks for the information, having delivery to the PO makes sense.
Just got to try and find out more about him and Sarah now.
Kind regards
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William (28) and Sarah Whittaker (30) (I assume they are man and wife)
went to Philadephia from Londonderry
Address Glencash, Clonleigh, PO Co Donegal
in Feb 1866 and also Jul
I wondered if anyone can give me any help on finding their marriage/anything on them in US or if someone can explain the above to me please?
How can I fid out more on them please can anyone help - marriage/where they were in US/ born etc., anything will be of interest.
First of all, you can't assume that William and Sarah were married to each other- they might be brother and sister or more distant relatives.
Before you can do any more searching in Ireland (will explain why in a minute) you need to find as much detail in American records on them.
Starting with earliest possible census records you can check 1870, 1880, 1900, 1910, 1920 and 1930.
1880 is at www.familysearch.org (free)
LDS Pilot site has the following indexed (free): 1870, 1880, 1900, 1920
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#r=0;p=allCollections
There are other U.S. records there like Philadelphia marriage indexes and death certificates which might be useful if they actually stayed in Philadelphia.
If they died somewhere in U.S., depending on the actual state and period, the death certificate might list their birthdates and places, names of parents, etc.
Now for the Irish side. Civil registration of births, deaths and Catholic marriages started in 1864 (from 1845 for other marriages). First complete census for Ireland is 1901. If they were not married in a Catholic church and it was 1864-1866 then you might find the marriage certificate to get more details like their residences at the time of the marriage and their fathers' names and occupations. However, it might be that you will have to start searching for church records (which may or may not exist) so you need to get as much information before you start looking in Ireland.
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Hi
Thank you for all the information. I will have a search for them.
I did wonder if they were siblings but went with married to start with but I can't work out if they went together to US or at different times as there seem to be two dates?
Many thanks and kind regards
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The first date is 'date engaged' and 2nd date is 'date to sail from Derry' so in this case they sailed in July 1866 and arrived in Philadelphia in sometime in July/August 1866.
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Have you thought that they may be crew?
Rog
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Have checked Irish Passenger Lists 1847-1871 which has Sarah Whitaker, Glencash, Clonlogh P.O., Co. Donegal listed on Stadacon July 1866 but no sign of a William or any other Whitaker with her and no ages given. What is the source for the information in your 1st post?
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Hi
Thanks for your replies.
I hadn't thought of crew members.
The source came from Passenger Lists of McCorkell Line Ships.
You'll see the date Feb 1866 and then the date July 1866 - which confuses me!
I found two Wiliam's in the census but not enough to go on to say he is the one I am searching for,
Regards
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The source came from Passenger Lists of McCorkell Line Ships.
Is it the printed book or online information? I can find no sign of any William Whitaker (or variations of Whitaker) listed in volume 2 which covers 1866 and ages are not given so I'm puzzled as to where your 'additional' details came from.
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It's online - I'll see if I can paste it to you.....
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Forward $6689
Hi I typed in Passenger Lists of McCorkell Line Ships
Then I clicked on 1866
then (using the Find button that Rootschatters told me where to find!) I typed in Whittaker)....
Feb 207 310 Sarah 30 Stadacona Jul Wm Whittaker
28 Whittaker 2 Glencash
Clonleigh
P.O.
Co Donegal
It's a bit al over the place though
Kind regards
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Here's the link to the online record that you found:
www.ulsterancestry.com/ua-passenger_Lists-McCorkell_Ships-1866.html
However, no William Whitaker is listed in the index of volume 2 which covers 1847-1871 and Sarah's age is not given.
I think that you really have to start searching in U.S. records and then work back.
Have checked the Philadelphia passenger lists and there's a William Whitaker age 30 Ireland servant on "Stadacona" arrived Philadelphia 13 Aug.1866 from Londonderry but no Sarah listed.
It's possible the McCorkell records were difficult to read and they have sarah while passenger manifest has William.
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Hi
Thanks for looking, that's confusing isn't it.
I also found a Samuel Whittaker from Donegal on the New York Passenger Arrival Lists (Ellis Island) 1892-1924
He was 45 and arrived in New York on 6 Sept 1903 on the ship Furnessia leaving Londonderry
Is there anything more do you think could be found on him?
Many thanks for all your help and advice.
Regards
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If Samuel Whittaker stayed in the US you might find him in 1910, 1920, 1930 U.S. census, WWI & WWII Draft Registration cards, etc. Where and who was he going to in US?
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This doesn't relate to the US side of the enquiry but as far as the Irish records are concerned ............ I read somewhere very recently that a lot of records that were held in Dublin were burned BUT the government asked people to write in with details of their families presumably as far back as they knew and a very large number did - these records I understand are held in NA at Kew.
Sue
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Thank you to both your replies and information.
I wonder how hard it would be to find info. in Kew on a particular family?
I don't know where Samuel was heading for, but I hadn't thought of the Army records, thank you. Can't remember which site it is to find them though?
Kind regards
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I don't know where Samuel was heading for
Did you not look at the scanned image? Passenger manifest on www.ellisisland.org says he was was a builder and going to 6000 Motor St., Philadelphia.
He's too old for U.S. draft registration cards (WWI & WWII).
1920 U.S. census (no images) is here:
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=allCollections;r=0
If you want to find more details on Samuel it would be best to start a new thread on U.S. board (with link to this one) & include all the details you know already.
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Hi
I hadn't looked at that as I didn't know about it, so thankyou for the information.
Kind regards