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Anyone have any connection with Burton family, parents George Alfred Burton b. 1828 St. Pancras, London, England, and wife Elizabeth Jane Jenner, b. 1831 Chatham, Kent, with large family of 12 children, most of whom were born near Ballarat. between 1854 and 1871. My grandmother was Ruth Burton b. 1864 Warren Heip, married to James Pretty (b. 1855 Buriton, Hampshire, England) on 25 Dec. 1888 in Lilydale. James owned a store in Seymour "The Melbourne Cash Trading Co." in partnership with his brother-in-law John Alfred Burton, around 1901 to 1902. Ruth Burton died two weeks after birth of her only son in April 1901. Store Partnership dissolved in Nov. 1902, James Pretty continued on in store now named "Railway Stores" until abt. 1907. Then moved with his only son James Alfred Burton PRETTY to Portarlington, when he also owned a store in Newnam Street.
Brother of Ruth - Ebenezer Burton, b. 1871 owned Funeral Parlours in Lilydale, and died there in 1950. Have no details of his family - other than he had a son Geoff. whose wife was named Sadie. Anyone help? Ruth MacLeod (nee Pretty) in Frankston.
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Hi Ruth:)
Marriage
BURTON Ebenezer born Ballarat
STIGGANTS Gertrude Ruth born Warrandyte
1903 Reg#6153
The only birth in the indexes to this couple
BURTON Marie Gertrude
Father Ebenezer Mother Gertrude Ruth STIGGANTS
At Lilydale 1906 Reg#27940
I can see no birth for a Geof/frey to this couple in the indexes. I would suggest you purchase Ebenezer's death certificate. This will give you the information you need. You can do this online and immediately download - cost $17.50
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage
Deaths
BURTON Ebenezer
Father George Alfred Mother Elizabeth JENNER
At Lilydale 79 1950 Reg#21208
BURTON Gertrude Ruth
Father Stigganty Henry Mother Amelia Maria WILSON
At Lilydale 66 years 1949 Reg#18872
Burial records for the family at Lilydale Cemetery
http://mapsearch.lilydalecemetery.com.au/PubMapping/
Marriage
BURTON Marie Gertrude
BEAUMONT Arthur Oliver
1932 Reg#7624
Deaths
BEAUMONT Marie Gertrude
Father Burton Ebenezer Mother Gertrude Ruth STIGGANTS
At Canterbury 46 years 1953 Reg#12038
BEAUMONT Arthur Oliver
Father John Mother Emily Agnes
At Kew 77 years 1980 Reg#03448
Either of their death certs will give the names of any children.
Cheers
Cando
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Australian Electoral Rolls
1903
BURTON Elizabeth Lilydale Home duties
BURTON Ebenezer Lilydale Coach builder
BURTON George Alfred Lilydale Coach builder
BURTON William Lilydale Coach builder
1909, 1914, 1924
BURTON Agnes Lilydale Home duties
BURTON Ebenezer Lilydale Coach builder
BURTON Gertrude Lilydale Home duties
BURTON William Lilydale Coach builder
Victoria 1931
BURTON Agnes Main Street, Lilydale HD
BURTON Ebenezer Deschamp Avenue, Lilydale Coachbuilder
BURTON Gertrude Ruth Deschamp Avenue, Lilydale HD
BURTON Marie Gertrude Deschamp Avenue, Lilydale HD
BURTON Queenie Audrey Main Street, Lilydale HD
BURTON William Main Street, Lilydale Coachbuilder
Same in 1936 minus Marie Gertrude.
Queenie Audrey is the only dau of Agnes and William b. 1906 Lilydale. Married 1936 to Frank Charles BOTTOM and died 1939 at Geelong aged 32.
Cheers
Cando
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Geoff is the son of William not Ebenezer.
Birth
BURTON Wilfred Geoffrey
Father William Mother Agnes Elizabeth JEFFS
At Lilydale 1911 Reg#12857
Marriage
BURTON Wilfred Geoffrey
OLSEN Mabel Gordon
1935 Reg#14048
Australian Electoral Rolls
Victoria 1936
BURTON Wilfred Geoffrey 35 Holyrood Street, Sandringham Bank Official
BURTON Mabel Gordon 35 Holyrood Street, Sandringham HD
http://www.ryersonindex.org/
BURTON Mabel Gordon (Sadie)
Death notice 26 Jun 2005 Death 94 years at Kirami Nursing Home, late of Hervey Bay, formerly of Vic Hervey Bay Observer 29 June 2005
and her birth
OLSEN Mabel Gordon
Father Gordon Arthur Mother Florence BARELLI
At Sandringham 1910 Reg#30518
Cheers
Cando
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Thanks for your prompt reply. That has solved some of my curly ones.
Are you related at all to the Burtons? I wonder how George, William, etc. are connected to Ebenezer? Your indexes for rolls indicate they were all living at same address, with same occupation - coach builder. Can you help further? Thanks, Ruth
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Sorry, further query. Do you have any knowledge of JOHN ALFRED BURTON (youngest brother of Ebenezer ) b. 1878 in Charlton, and known to be in partnership in General Store in Seymour in 1901-2. I think he died around 1943. Ruth
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Thanks for your prompt reply. That has solved some of my curly ones.
Are you related at all to the Burtons? I wonder how George, William, etc. are connected to Ebenezer? Your indexes for rolls indicate they were all living at same address, with same occupation - coach builder. Can you help further? Thanks, Ruth
I am not connected to the BURTON family :) Just help others where possible with their family history....that's what we do here on rootschat ;D
BURTON Elizabeth Temperance
Father George Alfred Mother Elizabeth Jane JENNER
At Sea 1854 Reg#2430
BURTON George Jenner
Father George Alfred Mother Elizabeth Jane JENNER
At Chilwell
1855 Reg#7807
BURTON Emily
Father George Alfred Mother Elizabeth Jane JENNER
At Geelong 1857 Reg#14241
BURTON Mary
Father George Albert Mother Elizabeth JENNER
At Con ? 1860 Reg#14565
BURTON Jane
Father George Alfred Mother Elizabeth JENNER
At Ballarat 1862 Reg#18649
BURTON Ruth
Father George Alfred Mother Elizabeth Jane JENNER
At Ballarat 1864 Reg#12966
BURTON Joseph
FatherGeorge Alfred Mother Elizabeth Jane JENNER
At Ballarat 1866 Reg#19329
BURTON Marion
Father George Alfred Mother Elizabeth Jane JENNER
At Ballarat 1868 Reg#21228
BURTON Ebenezer
Father George Alfred Mother Elizabeth Jane JENNA
At Warrenheip 1871 Reg#12941
BURTON William
Father George Alfred Mother Elizabeth JENNER
At Charlton 1875 Reg21695
BURTON John Alfred
Father George Alfred Mother Elizabeth Jane JENNER
At Charlton 1878 Reg#1367
George Alfred with wife Elizabeth on the 1903 would to be the parents to William and Ebenezer. The address Lilydale probably only refers to the town not necessarily in the same house. No way of identifying that.
Deaths
BURTON George Alfred
Father Burton Thomas Mother Temperance UNKNOWN
75 years at Lilydale 1904 eg# 1969
BURTON Elizabeth Jane
Father Jenner George Mother Mary UNKNOWN
78 years at Lilydale 19091 Reg#13038
Hope the birth regs help you further.
Cheers
Cando
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Hi,
If you have not already done so, you may like to browse these pages of Lilydale and district cemeteries.
I see a few of your names there.
A bit of an annoying search site though, as no details other than location are given and even their map link is broken.
Ebenezer Burton, b. 1871 owned Funeral Parlours in Lilydale, and died there in 1950. Have no details of his family RUTH
http://mapsearch.lilydalecemetery.com.au/PubMapping/
http://mapsearch.lilydalecemetery.com.au/PubMapping/
Sue
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Cemetery link in reply#1 ;) and agree not a very informative database.
Marriage
BURTON John Alfred born Victoria
DAVIES Martha Jane
1902 Reg#7092
Australian Electoral Rolls
1909
BURTON John Alfred Sebastopol Clergyman
BURTON Martha Jane Sebastopol HD
1914
BURTON John Alfred Melbourne Road, Geelong Fruiterer
BURTON Martha Jane Melbourne Road, Geelong HD
1919
BURTON John Alfred Gellibrand Street, Colac Secretary
BURTON Martha Jane Gellibrand Street ,Colac HD
1919 - 2nd enrolment
BURTON John Alfred 56 Faraday Street, Carlton Engineer
BURTON Martha Jane 56 Faraday Street, Carlton HD
1936
BURTON John Alfred 12 Nottingham Street, Prahran Engineer
BURTON Martha Jane 12 Nottingham Street, Prahran HD
Deaths
BURTON John Alfred
Father Burton Geo Alfred Mother Elizabeth TEMPERANCE
At Prahran 65 years 1943 Reg# 6708
BURTON Martha Jane
Father Davies David Mother Jane ROSS
At Mornington 69 years Reg#17206
John Alfred's grandmother's surname [father's mother] has been noted instead of his mother who was Elizabeth Jane JENNER
Cheers
Cando
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Hi Cando ;D,
Well good on you.
You obviously had a better run with the website than me.
Have reported their error message to them anyway.
Sue
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Thanks very much for follow-up info. - but no entry on that website you mentioned. Ruth
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Thanks very much for follow-up info. - but no entry on that website you mentioned. Ruth RUTH
Which website who mentioned?
Sue
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I assume these are the family -
http://mapsearch.lilydalecemetery.com.au/PubMapping/
BURTON Ebeneza Lilydale Lawn Cemetery Baptist 1 Grave 29
BURTON Gertrude Lilydale Lawn Cemetery Baptist 1 Grave 29
BURTON Elizabeth Lilydale Lawn Cemetery Baptist 1 Grave 14
BURTON George Lilydale Lawn Cemetery Baptist 1 Grave 14
Cando
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Thanks, Cando. Ruth
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Ruth I am having a bit of a problem finding any births to this couple...perhaps they were out of the state for a few years :-\
BURTON Colin Jack
Father Jno Alfred Mother: Martha Jane DAVIES
At Geelong 1914 Reg#31788
Cheers
Cando
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;D This is great: getting further than I thought. Thanks for your help. Ruth
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Some of John Alfred's and Martha Jane's chns' deaths
BURTON Horace Alfred
Father John Alfred Mother Jane DAVIES
At Malvern 68 years 1971 Reg#12667
BURTON Cyril Tasman
Father John Alfred Mother Martha Jane DAVIES
At Mornington 52 years 1959 Reg#21353
now the name Tasman... ;)
Births in Tasmania
BURTON Horace Alfred
Father John Alfred BURTON Mother Martha Jane BURTON nee Davis
9 Feb 1903
At De Witt Street BATTERY POINT Reg#968
BURTON Edna May
Father John Alfred BURTON Mother Marth Jane BURTON nee Davis
8 May 1905
At Franklin Reg#1964
BURTON Cyril Tasman
Father John Alfred BURTON MotherMartha Jane BURTON nee Davis
3 Aug 1907
At Queen St, Sandy Bay Reg#738
Cando
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Death
BURTON Edna May
Father Burton Jno Alfred Mother Martha Jane DAVIES
6 years At Sebastopol 1911 Reg#6788
Browsing on the Lilydale Cemetery website I noticed these two burial records at Burwood Cemetery.
BURTON John Burwood Cemetery 8 Grave 353
BURTON Martha Burwood Cemetery 8 Grave 353
Unfortunately John Alfred and Martha did not enrol to vote while in Tasmania. That's about it. ;D
Cheers
Cando
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:D Very grateful for all your help. Ruth
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Dear Ruth,
Just read your messages on here. So much information on John Alfred Burton. But I do know he had
more than one child. Horace was first born and then a girl and another boy. I'm sure that they died
early. I will also be sending in the mail an update on all George Alfreds children who they married.
I did get to read and copy the letter Elizabeth Jane Jenner sent home to England. Just great.
A real insight into early Australian living. I loved it. Thankyou for giving me the opportunity of viewing this,I'm absolutely thrilled to start up again in the research and actually not be stone walled.
Although I am in the process of trying to find out who Elizabeth Jane Jenners brothers and sisters were. And the mystery that still remains. The original Temperance Burton, her maiden name.
Can anybody help me out!!!
Regards
Carol
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(Thanks, Carol for personal remarks on matters we have corresponded on.)
Does anyone know anything further about Temperance Burton b. 1812 (maiden name unknown?) and husband Thomas Burton, b.1810, St. Pancras. London, Engl. parents of Mary Ann, Eliza and George Alfred Burton?
Also has anyone any further knowledge of family of William Henry WILSON and Rhoda BURTON (a dau. of George Alfred).
After the death of his father, my father 'Burt' Pretty (age 18 yrs.) lived with his uncle William Wilson for a couple of years in Mornington, and worked in his store.
William Wilson owned "Wilson's Stores" (later called "Wilson & Livock Stores") in Main Street, Mornington, Victoria. William's son Ernie was best man at my parent's wedding in Mornington in 1925; also another son Edward (Ted) was a 'close' cousin to my parents for many years, and lived in Mont Albert at one time. Anyone have any further knowledge of either of these two Wilsons? Ruth MacLeod (nee Pretty)
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Hi Ruth
After the death of his father, my father 'Burt' Pretty (age 18 yrs.) lived with his uncle William Wilson for a couple of years in Mornington, and worked in his store.
William Wilson owned "Wilson's Stores" (later called "Wilson & Livock Stores") in Main Street, Mornington, Victoria. William's son Ernie was best man at my parent's wedding in Mornington in 1925; also another son Edward (Ted) was a 'close' cousin to my parents for many years, and lived in Mont Albert at one time. Anyone have any further knowledge of either of these two Wilsons?
Could this be them?
WILSON Ernest Wm
died 1943 41 years Cfld
Father - Wm Henry Mother - Rhodda Burton
Reg #2109
WILSON Harold Edward
died 1980 74 years Park
Father - William Henr Mother - Rhoda
Reg# 10949
Raylen
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yes thanks, that's looks like them. What would PARK be - Park Orchards, Parkville?? Ruth
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Ruth
Not absolutely certain but, at a guess, I'd say Parkville.
Can't see Ernest, but here is details of Harold's burial
Cemetery - Springvale Botanical Cemetery
Given Names - HAROLD EDWARD - Surname WILSON
Religion - UNITING CHURCH
Date of Service 21/05/1980
Date of Death 18/05/1980
Age 74
Date of Birth 06/11/1905
Burial Type - CREMATION
The cremated remains have been collected
Raylen
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Thanks very much for that. ;D ;D Ruth
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Hi
I will just add for your interest, Ruth, that Parkville is where Melbourne's large Public Hospital is situated., The Royal Melbourne. Also there is The Royal Women's and The Royal Childen's.
So sometimes when place of death says Parkville, it may mean within one of those hospitals rather than residential address.
Sue
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Hi Again,
Given his place of death being Caulfield it is quite possible that EDWARD WILLIAM WILSON is at Brighton Cemetry.
Here is a link you may use to inquire.
http://www.ausbdm.org/lookup.php?st=VIC
When you are scrolling through to find the little heading for Brighton General Cemetery lookup, you will see 2 offers of lookup there.
Go for the one that is not a persons name.
PM me if you are unsure what I mean ;D
Sue
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Thanks Sue, I will try that site - we'll see what eventuates. ;D Ruth
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Does Edward William Wilson show up in Victorian Electoral rolls anywhere - between 1902 and 1943; also/or Harold Edward Wilson, between 1906 and 1980. Harold Edward (Ted)'s wife was Esme, don't know her maiden name, they had an only daug. Margaret (Peggy)Wilson, possibly born around 1930 or so. She married a Kenneth P. Smith, and had three (?) children, lived East Ringwood area at one time.
Any info. re Ernest (Ernie) Wm. Wilson's wife and children? Thanks for all the help. Ruth
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Does Edward William Wilson show up in Victorian Electoral rolls anywhere - between 1902 and 1943; also/or Harold Edward Wilson, between 1906 and 1980. Harold Edward (Ted)'s wife was Esme, don't know her maiden name, they had an only daug. Margaret (Peggy)Wilson, possibly born around 1930 or so. She married a Kenneth P. Smith, and had three (?) children, lived East Ringwood area at one time.
Any info. re Ernest (Ernie) Wm. Wilson's wife and children? Thanks for all the help. Ruth
Do you mean Ernest William?
Marriage:
WILSON Ernest Wm
SLINGO Elsie May
1928 Reg# 2431
Electoral Roll
1931 Ellison Street,Ringwood
Ernest William Wilson - Grocer
Elsie May Wilson - Home Duties
1936 7 Chester Street, Surrey Hills
Ernest William Wilson - Grocer
Elsie May Wilson - Home Duties
Marriage:
WILSON Harold Edward
ANDERSON Esma Alice Annie
1928 Reg# 6294
Electoral Roll
1931 'Wyoming' 10 Lucerne St Mentone
Esma Alice Annie Wilson - Home Duties
Harold Edward Wilson - Grocer
1936 Echuca Road,Rochester
Esma Alice Anie Wilson - Home Duties
Harold Edward Wilson - Grocer
Hope this helps,
Raylen
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HI,
If you think Ted and Esme may have died at Rochester, you can enquire through this email address.
Rochester Cemetery
d.stenningATvmia.vic.gov.au replace AT with @
Sue
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;D Fantastic help - more information in the past few days, than for years. Why didn't I think of it before???
Sue, they could well have died at Rochester. Last I heard they were living in Balwyn, in unit near their married dau. However dau. & husb. moved and I lost track of her, so perhaps the family moved to Rochester.
Thanks very much Raylen for your information. Yes this is right people - sorry I typed Edward instead of Ernie in my query. Thanks for all your help.
Ruth 8) ;D
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Sue - just reading through replies again, Raylen has given me Harold Edward Wilson as dyiing and cremated Springvale Botanical Cemetery in 21.5.1980. Don't have any record of death and/or burial of wife Esme?
Why did you suggest Rochester cemetery - where is this by the way? Thanks, Ruth.
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Hi,
I mentioned it smply because the 1936 electoral roll found them there.
If, however, you know that they were back in suburban Melbourne after the Rochester sojourn, you will probably not find her at Rochester.
Rochester is a country town north of Melbourne and is primarily farming land. It is more than 200 kilometers from Melbourne.
I apologise.I thought I had read the details given in the thread but must have missed the burial location of Harold Edward which Raylen noted.
Sue
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Thanks Sue. They could quite possibly have been in Rochester for some years - I remember them in later years, when they lived in unit near their only dau. in Balwyn North or East, not sure what the suburb was exactly. This would have been in 1950-1960's or later. Ruth
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I am now also looking for only child of above Harold Edward & Esma WILSON - who was named Margaret (Peggy) WILSON, & married to KENNETH P. SMITH, in November 1951, and possibly born around 1929. Peggy/Ken. travelled to England on honeymoon on S.S. 'Maloja' in November 1951 (on same ship as me, for company).
As mentioned previously, I know Peggy & Ken. lived in North Balwyn area in around 1960's on (?) but later sold their house and moved. They had two or three children from memory. Peggy is my cousin, we were quite close when teenagers and later, and I would love to find out more about them. They may of course both have died by now.
Impossible to find them in WhitePages.com.au due to common surname, and not knowing where they could be living. And telephone book doesn't help to narrow them down.
They may show up in the Electoral Rolls somewhere - grateful for any help. Regards, Ruth MacLeod
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There are some wills for this family on the Victorian PROV site, for example
George A BURTON coach builder, Lilydale, death 7 Mar 1904 - excellent list of family members, addresses etc
http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/access/probate.asp
There are a number of other Burtons who look as though they fit your family.
Cheers, Judith
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Thanks for that - yes many of these are related. Ruth
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More enquiries!! Anyone have any later knowledge of children of JAMES SPENCE and ANNIE ELIZABETH BURTON (b.1885 Charlton, Vic.):
1. Ellen SPENCE, born c.1905-6; 2. Andrew Edward SPENCE born 28th January, 1908, Womens Hospital, City of Melbourne; 3. William Joseph Dinneen SPENCE, b. 21 April, 1911 (ditto) (died 14.7.2002, aged 91 yrs. , buried Lilydale cemetery); 4. Alice Ilene SPENCE b.1912 (ditto).
Last two children believed to have been fostered for some years by family named Warburton - of Gruyere area, Yarra Glen. Ruth MacLeod
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Further to my last message - I think I have found the WARBURTON family. Letitia May EVANS, B. abt. 1860, N.S.W., married 1887 N.S.W. to Charles WARBURTON, born 1857 N.S.W., child Esther Elizabeth Warburton, born 1888 N.S.W.
I have them in Caulfield in 1903 El.rolls: Charles(Labourer) & Letitia.
1909 living in Lilydale, Mernda, Charles, farmer in Gruyere, with daughterEsther; 1914 in Lilydale, with Alfred Charles W., Orchardist, Charles, Letitia and Julia; 1924 same family plus Mary Hilda W., Teacher at Convent of Mercy, Lilydale; 1931, Lilydale, Alfred Ch., Charles, Letitia and Eva Johanna (Wandin North). Do these people ring any bells? Ruth
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Hi Ruth,
I am related to Marion Burton, daughter of George Alfred Burton and Elizabeth Jane Jenner and born in Ballarat Victoria in 1868.
My father "Ron" knew of your father "Burtie" Pretty when he joined the SECV in 1938.
My father's family tree has Roda Burton (Rhoda?) born in 1873 at Warrenheip.
According to my father,there was another daughter who was not on Cando's list. This was Dorothy "Tottie" Burton, born (date unknown) after John Alfred Burton. "Tottie" had a daughter "Effie"...unfortunately I don't have any more details.
Denise
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Hi Ruth
I don't have any Burton family links, but some of my family had business connections to Eb. and Bill Burton in Lilydale.
My grandfather initially worked at their garage on the SE corner of Main St and Deschamps Ave before taking it over, then run by my parents into the 1970's.
The funeral parlour was on the other SW corner of Deshamps, Ave. Some of the garage men would act as hearse drivers for funerals. All buildings now gone.
I know Eb. had a daughter.
Neil
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Hi, new to the chat and am Ebenzer Burton's granddaughter and would like to have contact with regards finding out more for my family history / tree....
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I am descendant of Ruth Burton and am interested in your connection.
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My grandmother was Ruth BURTON, born 1864, daughter of George Alfred Burton and Elizabeth Jane Jenner, and an elder sister of your Rhoda BURTON.
When my father's father James Pretty died in 1819, my dad became an orphan, as his mother Ruth had died two weeks after his birth in 1901.
He first stayed with Burtons relations at Lilydale for a year, then came to Mornington, Vic. to live and work with Rhoda Burton and her husband William Henry Wilson, who had grocery and haberdashery stores in Main Street.
I have researched the Burton tree quite extensively.
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I am Marcia( Beaumont) Wertheimer
I am the only granddaughter of Ebenezer Burton and Gertrude Ruth Burton
I have many photos and information around my grandparents
My mother was on only child named Marie Gertrude Burton (DEC)
Marie married Arthur Oliver Beaumont (DEC)
I am custodian of their graves in Lilydale
I have three brothers Julien Arthur Burton Beaumont [DEC]
Marcia Gertrude Beaumont (now Wertheimer)
Graham Noel Beaumont
David John Beaumont