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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Gloucestershire => Topic started by: Willow 4873 on Monday 27 April 09 11:12 BST (UK)
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Hiya all
I’m hoping someone can help break down a brick wall concerning my 4 x Great Grandfather John Beard and tell me if I am going the right way. Hope you are sitting comfortably
John Beard b c1777 married Mary Hannah Partridge b 1774 on 3.6.1792 at Monmouth. Register says John of Newland Mary Hannah of Monmouth
Their children were
John bap 24/3/1799 Monmouth who married Elizabeth Knight b 1797 Redbrook Gloucs (3 x GGrandparents)
William bap 18.7.1802 Monmouth who married Elizabeth Moulton b 1805 Little Dean
Elizabeth bap 19.1.1795 Newland who married James Eynon b 1790 Whitchurch Glam
Mary bap 16.12.1808 Newland who married Richard Protheroe b 1811 Redbrook Gloucs
Ann bap 14.8.1805 Newland who married George Verrinder b 1806 Lydney
Henry bap 13.8.1812 Newland who married Elizabeth Hoult b 1799 Stourport
Thomas born 1821 who married Elizabeth b 1821 Kidderminster
Jane bap 19.2.1815 Redbrook (nothing further on her)
The family moved from Redbrook to Lydney where John died in 1833 and Mary Hannah re-married. Then most of the children later moved to Worcestershire with their families where they all worked in the Tin and Iron trade
I then struck a brick wall, as I couldn’t pin down a baptism for John Snr
While I was researching the Knight side of my family when I came across a Moses Knight b 1858 Lydney who married a Hannah Hughes nee Jenkins b 1829 Ruardean who is descended from a branch of the Knight family and out of boredom/frustration I decided to follow his line back and found the following
Moses parents were Samuel Beard b 1829 Lydney and Caroline (nee Fisher) b 1831 Ellamidanne Monmouthshire Wales
I followed Samuel back and found his parents were William b 1800 Framilode and Hannah (nee Edwards) b 1807 Lydney
Williams parents were William b 1771 Framilode and Elizabeth (unknown) It appears that William Snr may have remarried a Mary and had further children
Hope you are keeping up!
One of the children from his second marriage was Charlotte b 1807 Framilode who married a William Lewis and from the 1851 census we have in Lydney
William Lewis 46 head b Lydney Blacksmith
Charlotte Lewis 42 wife b Framilode
William Beard 80 b Framilode lodger labourer in tin works (this is her father)
Sarah Glanville 79 b Lydney lodger
Mary Verrinder 7 b Lydney niece
The only Mary Verrinder I can find on the FOD is Mary Amy bap 10.9.1843 daughter of George and Ann (see above)
Problem is Mary wouldn’t be a niece, so are they just simplifying the relationship? and if she is a relative this would make John Beard a brother or relation of William Beard Snr but I’m just having a problem proving it – HELP!
Hope I haven't given you a headache!
Willow x
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Problem is Mary wouldn’t be a niece, so are they just simplifying the relationship?
Willow x
Could be if she was the daughter of a sister of William Lewis.
Oops! re-read your post - George Verrinder married Ann Beard.
Will have a look back through my copies of GFHS Journals, I'm sure there was an article on the Verrinders.
Susan :)
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Hiya Susan
That would be great thanx
Willow x
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Hi Willow
The Verrinders mentioned in the journal were from Cirencester/Hinton on the Green areas, they also migrated to Worcestershire.
Been looking at the William born Framilode 1771. The children of William and Elizabeth, Hannah 1798 and William 1800, were baptised in Saul. There is a marriage of a William Beard to Elizabeth Browning 25th December 1797, Saul (Hugh Wallis' batch nos.).
Will have a look for burial of Elizabeth.
The children of William and Mary were also baptised Saul, James 1803, Nancy 1805, Charlotte 1809, Nathaniel 1809. There is a submitted marriage in the IGI, confirmed by transcribed index, of William Beard and Mary Clissold 16th March 1802 in Painswick, as the crow flies not far from Saul.
Painswick, Batch No. C036212, has a baptism of a William Beard 2nd April 1775 father Nathaniel. Is this the William who married Mary Clissold?
To confuse things even further (sorry :-\) In Moreton Valence, William Beard baptised 30th May 1773, father Samuel (have been trying to follow naming patterns).
Moreton Valence is not too far from Saul, don't know if you know the area at all?
There were a number of crossing points on the river Severn, Framilode to Rodley, Arlingham to Newnham (Lydney about 8 miles) being two of them.
I've probably confused you even more
Susan :)
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Look for Alf Beard on Google he has a database of Glos Beards
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Forgot about Alf, he's one of us too! Sorry Alf :)
Susan :)
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Hiya Susan
Thanx for that I suspected the Verrinders were not originally from Lydney. At the moment I am still chasing them in Lydney so I will widen the search a bit. I had found the info on William and Marys children there is also another Nancy b 1812 I did wonder at first if the Nancy 1805 was the one who married Charles Verrinder and was actually called Ann (Nancy being a variant) but she must have died young
Thanx also for the information about Moreton Valance I dont know the area at all but I had spotted several Beards from there on the census so they could tie in
Emjaybee I didnt know Alf had a database so I will go and look at that. I sent him some info by PM the other day but I dont think he has been online since
I think it will be easier just to follow all the lines back of people who marry into the family we seem to cross families alot and it might make the job easier lol
Willow x
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Hiya Susan
I think you might have cracked it with the William baptised Moreon Valence
I have noticed on the census that a lot of the time Framilode comes under Moreton Valence
William has a brother John bap 23.11.1776 which would fit with my John only problem is he didnt have a son called Samuel as I would expect (that I have found yet) but they were in Monmouth for a time so he may have been born and died there
I now have quite a bit on the Verrinder family but I havent found a marriage into the Lewis family yet so it doesnt look like Mary is a neice from that side of the family
Willow x
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Hi Willow
Found these two burials in the NBI
Samuel Beard 11th March 1821 aged 81, Moreton Valence (probably father of William born 1773 and John 1776).
Samuel Beard 3rd December 1845 aged 76 Lydney (born c 1769)
Have had a scout about for Samuel son of John without success at the mo ???
Susan :)
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Hiya Susan
Thanx for that its brilliant. The Samuel who died 1845 is his son (though having no luck finding him on the 1841)
I found the following on here http://www.gsia.org.uk/reprints/2003/gi200303.pdf
'Both William Beards, father and son, were born at Framilode and the son
was at Lydney by 1823 as a tin roller.'
'The evidence also suggests a direct sequence of development of the tin plating industry in the area from Framilode via Redbrook to Lydney.'
Johns children were born Redbrook except for John jnr and William
Willow x
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Hi Willow
It's all coming together ;D
The GSIA article makes interesting reading, seeing family names in print more proof of relationships. I see there's also a James Lewis of Saul mentioned, a relation of William Lewis?
Susan :)
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Hiya Susan
William family is in Lydney from 1782 (sister Frances' bap) so I'm not sure about James though the family are a bit of a pain to trace
Now I just need to find the document that gives me Johns father for definute lol ;D but I'm pretty sure I'm on the right track
Willow x
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Hi Willow
Sorry for not getting to you, I have very little on your John, but I will look into it. I have not been doing and family research for a few months, been doing war graves and memorials in Glos Staffs and Derby.
This link will get to the home page of world connect and type in the data box, hystfield, that is my tree http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/
I do have your John, and married but, not with her maiden name. I will now get my act together and have another go at my tree and your line with the help of your research if that is ok with you. Feel free to download the tree if you want or if you a have a tree and would like to share, my e-mail is on the tree.
Regards
Alf
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Hiya Alf
I've found your tree and have dropped you an e-mail with my e-mail adress and tree address
John snr has been a pain to trace and seems to have moved around a lot 1st child b Redbrook then two on Monmouth then another 5 in Redbrook. They seemed to have been in Lydney from about 1821 (Williams marriage) and he died there in 1833.
William his one son was born Monmouth married Lydney first child b Ayleford next 3 Wolverley, next one Ayleford, next one Blakeney Hill, next one Pinderford and last one Ayleford (I'm probably still missing some who died young) and he died Cookley
There is also a Thomas buried 9.10.1833 Newland whos age would fit a batism 27.9.1771 Moreton Valence child of Samuel and Ann of Framilode who could be Johns brother
Willow x
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Hi Alf
Im trying to track down what happened to a George Beard from Tetbury,
He was born in 1883 and was the son of Henry Howard Beard and Charlotte Beard (was Underhill)
In 1911 his Family consisted of
Henry 1882
John Samuel 1885
Charlotte 1888
Edward 1890
Sarah 1892
Robert 1894
Margaret Isabella (Became Fisher) 1897
My late Father in law was originally Donald Beard born 1921 in Blackburn Lancs, mother was Maud Mary Dando (was Chappell) from Leighterton Glos, although she put Beard as her married name on the birth certificate I can find no record of her ever marrying George Beard and she was still married to George Dando in 1911 living in Tresham and up until her death,
Don grew up in Tresham Glous and eventually changed his name by deed poll in 1943 back to his mothers married name of Dando,
The only thing I know about George (assume Beard) from my wife is that he died when she was young out on the road from Tresham towards what is known as the Pike, this is the route out towards Tetbury etc and that he had suffered some injury during a war, 1st I should imagine, out in Palestine where he had lost a part of his rear end..
Does this fit in with anything you have..