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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: Summerhill on Monday 04 May 09 23:06 BST (UK)
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Can any one help with this one? I am looking for any further information on my great Grandfather Patrick Campbell who was an alderman on Derry City Council when he died in 1916. Patrick was born in 1872 in Ferguson St. Derry.
he married Anne Elizabeth Cummings in 1899. They had 4 sons James,John, Leo & Frederick. I came across their tombstone on Find a grave.com, all is on the headstones are their names & deaths of death. No address. Derry city cemetery cant find the record for this burial. I need an address in order to obtain further information from the BMD office.
Any help greatly appreciated.
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If you post his date of death, some kind individual going to the Newspaper Library in Belfast, may be able to look up his obituary in the local papers - as an Alderman he's sure to have got a write up in the Derry Journal/Sentinel and probably the Belfast papers as well (Newsletter/Telegraph/Northern Whig).
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could this be his birth.
Record Type Civil Birth
Date of Birth 19 Apr 1872
Name Patrick CAMPBELL
Gender M
Fathers Name Thomas CAMPBELL
Mothers Forenames Margaret
Mothers Maiden Name ODONNELL
Civil District Londonderry
Sub District Derry City
County Londonderry
regards mary
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Hi Summerhill I will check that out for you I know the present Mayor and I will go to the Cemetry office and check their records
Gerald
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Mary Derry thats the right Man. I have his birth cert here courtesy of Emereld Ancestors. Eden reaghbeg your query with the Mayor will be great. He was anAccountant & Stock Broker & House Agent with offices @9 castle Street, Derry. His tombstone only states he was an Alderman, his date of death 1916 and his wife Annie & son Frederick (Freddy) & daughter in law Mary(May
are buried with him. There is no address on the headstone.
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I will go to the Cemetry offices and see if they can re check their records if not as you say Maryderry the council offices should have some records of his last address or even the Central library should have copies of the 1916 Derry Journal or Sentinal recording the death
watch this space Summerhill
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Thanks so much. I most certainly will watch this space!!! I have been really surprised by my ancestry search so far. Edenreaghbeg you are very kind indeed. And thanks for your replies on my Ballycarton ancestors. I didnt get get the James cummings one yet, but im sure it will arrive.
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Annes parents marriage perhaps.Record Type Civil Marriage
Date of Marriage 22 Aug 1871
Groom Name james CUMMINGS
Bride Name elizabeth MCDERMOTT
Church Bellarena Roman Catholic Church
Parish Magilligan
Civil District Newtown Limavady
County Londonderry
regards mary.
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Yes Mary you are on the right track. That is the correct certificate entry I have this too. Annes Father James Cummings was a pork merchant .THanks Mary.
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Alderman Patrick Campbell died on 14th December,1916, his address was 72 Great James Street, Derry, if someone could look up the local papers for that time would be greatly appreciated.
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Hi Summerhill i will be going to the local Library next week and will look at the old papers for you and also make enquiries with the council if there are any information held there
gerald
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Thanks that would be lovely. The Photos are lovely delighted to get them.
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I received to day my gggGrandfathers death Certificate:William Campbell died 27/01/1865 his death certificate address is 6 Ferry Row Derry, but Derry city cemetery's records give his address as Hoggs Folly, Derry. Does any one know if Ferry row and Hoggs Folly are the same place? And also do these streets exist any more. William was Alderman Patrick Campbells Grandfather.
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as far as i can find is that hoggs folly was one half of the street & kildara terr. was the other half.
i have ask around and no one has heard of ferry st. in that area.
regards mary.
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Thanks very much Maryderry that is a great help. Believe it or not I received Williams son Thomas Campbell,s death cert today they lived in 137 Bishop Street. Thomas was alderman Patricks Grandfather. It is great to talk to people with local knowledge. It is helping me to build a biggerpicture of myancestors.
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bishop street would not have been to far from hoggs folly,anyone (catholic) from those area's would have attended st.columba's church also know as the long tower church.
i don't think hoggs folly is no longer but i will find out,but bishop street still is. i myself was born in a street just off bishop street.
regards mary.
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Wow thats brilliant thanks Mary. I will now be able to get further info from Longtower church. for baptisms & Marriages etc. It wil be nice to find out a little more about the women. Pity the civil registration marriage certs only give the fathers name.
Do you know how Bishop Street got its name ?
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you may find this helpful.
longtowerparish@derrydiocese.org
regards mary.
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Hi just checked the Derry journal for Dec 1916 and sorry but no mention of Patrick Campbell's death
Regards
BF
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this site may be of interest.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Derry - 58k
regards mary
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Thanks BF & Mary Derry for that. Sorry there wasnt any thing in the Derry Journal but I will try Derry City Council Offices. They should have some records. Mary thanks for the link to Longtower parish. it really is a lovely church.
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Would any one know where Ferrys Row, Derry is?
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Reference to my previous posts , would any one know where Ferrys Row,Derry is?Does this street still exist? or has it been renamed over the years.
Any help greatly appreciated
thank you
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i have looked up a book of streets for derry no mention of ferrys row.
regards mary.
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Reference to my previous posts , would any one know where Ferrys Row,Derry is?Does this street still exist? or has it been renamed over the years.
Any help greatly appreciated
thank you
It's possible that "Ferrys Row" is not the name of a street but a row of houses.
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Thank you Maryderry & aghadowey. Its just that its the address on my gggGrandfathers death cert and I was curious to know where it is.
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I have received Alderman Patrick campbells death certificate.
He died on the 14th December 1915 not 1916.
If some kind person is going to the Newspaper library could they look up his obituary for me. It would really be appreciated.
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I am sending you a PM on this
regards
BF
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Does any one know how to obtain information on Londonderry Corporation elections or what ward Alderman Campbell may have been elected toor represented?
Any help greatly appreciated once again.
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Can any one help with this one? I am looking for any further information on my great Grandfather Patrick Campbell who was an alderman on Derry City Council when he died in 1916. Patrick was born in 1872 in Ferguson St. Derry.
he married Anne Elizabeth Cummings in 1899. They had 4 sons James,John, Leo & Frederick. I came across their tombstone on Find a grave.com, all is on the headstones are their names & deaths of death. No address. Derry city cemetery cant find the record for this burial. I need an address in order to obtain further information from the BMD office.
Any help greatly appreciated.
Freddie married May McKenna. They are both deceased. Fred was a head master in a boys primary school in Derry. They have sons in Bath ( UK ) in Dublin and daughters in Canada.
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Their Grave is in Derry City cemetary. It's beside Monseignuer Coulter's grave - if that helps. It's 2 Celtic Crosses that stand out.
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Thanks very much for the reply & messages, 123 willindeed be in contact again.
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Would any one know what area the West Ward would have been? I received a small bit of information from the harbour museum a 1912street/trade directory and Patrick Campbell represented West Ward.
So if any one could tell mewhat area this is I would be very grateful.
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Hi Summerhill,
I think we are related ! My great grandfather was also the same Patrick Campbell. My grandfather was Leo, he also lived in Great James street before moving to Dublin his wife Olive Kitson from Burnsfoot. My father (also Leo) and his brother are still alive & well living in Dublin. I will be moving back to Ireland (near Derry) this year after living abroad for 20 years, so just happened to do a search on GGDad's name as I know there is a plaque dedicated to him in the town hall of Derry which I intend to visit. Maybe I already know you ? (only if your Grandfather is also Leo) ? I can't figure out how to send a PM on this forum..
Thanks for all the info on this site which I will enjoy sharing with the rest of the family.
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Welcome to Rootschat cominghome. After you've made 2 or 3 posts you'll be able to use PM system (look for little green scroll under user names on left side of posts).
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Would any one know what area the West Ward would have been? I received a small bit of information from the harbour museum a 1912street/trade directory and Patrick Campbell represented West Ward.
So if any one could tell mewhat area this is I would be very grateful.
Hi sorry
Can't help re West ward area's, But cominghome passed on the forum & I've been in touch with Leo's 2 sons (Leo & Ian) & they're delighted and meeting up 2mo so will hopefully get more info for you. Our dad Leo says Patrick was living in Nrth Great James st. when he died and no. 80 comes to mind but will confirm. They're dying to know if your related to Fred or Jim plus said there was also has a sister Maureen Campbell still of this name and a mid wife in uk. GGDad Patricks placque is in the Guild hall in Derry. He would have been 1st catholic lord mayor if he'd lived.
Thanks for all this hope we can get more info for you
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Hi Coming Home & Le Camp 2,
Yes we are indeed related and doshare the same great grandparents Patrick Campbell & Annie Eliza Campbell (Nee Cummings) . Patrick & his family lived at 72 Great James'Street Derry at the time of his death in1916. My Grandfather was Jim Campbell . He was a garda sergeant whose final posting was Wexford. I have managed to do some more research on the Campbell family and presently have gone back to 1770. I have also done some research on the Cummings Family. Please see my posts on the Cummings of Ballycarton which is also on page 3 or 4 of the Derry Rootschat board. I have also started to do some research on the McDermotts of Duncrun, Limavady.
I would be delighted to hear from you and once you have placed 3 posts on the rootschat board we will be able to send each other PM messages.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Regards,
Summerhill.
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Great ! thanks ! I will look at the other posts. You have done so much work already. (I guess I'm one post closer to PM..).
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Hi Summerhill
My Dad says Hi & just rattled all 9 of your fam's names off & told me about Young Freddy . Sorry to hear about that. He's dying to know which of Jim's son's or daughters you hail from. This is wonderful all this history, Wow back as far as 1770 well done to you. Will check out your other posts. Thanks again for all this and look forward to the PM's Dads dying to hear more.
Cheers from
LCamp2
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Hello again,
Thanks for both your replies. You are both 1 post away from being able to send PM's to me. Rootschat policy does not allow us to discuss or divulge personal information on the public posts.
But I can tell you that I am descended from Jackie who was Jim Campbells third son . I am delighted to hear fom you both and I look forward to exchanging more information by private message.
Please give Uncle Leo my regards.
Summerhill.
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Hi Coming home and Le Camp 2
I have lots of certificates and documentation and some photos of the Campbell Family, McDermotts, and Cummings.
I would be delighted to share them withyou.
Please let me know and I will forward them to you.
Summerhill
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Hi Summerhill
I believe coming home has been in touch by PM, That's be brill re the photo's and all thanks a mill.
Hopefully will be able to PM you after this one
Cheers
LCamp2
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Hi Coming home and Le Camp 2
I have lots of certificates and documentation and some photos of the Campbell Family, McDermotts, and Cummings.
I would be delighted to share them withyou.
Please let me know and I will forward them to you.
Summerhill
Hello Summerhill
I think we may be related... My grandfather and father both named James Campbell, grandmother Elizabeth, connections with Londonderry Alderman Patrick Campbell and Kilmore Quay and Summerhill Wexford Town... my name here RosAlator after fishing boat...
Have no idea what to do next but am interested in finding out more about the Campbell family.
RosAlator
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Cant think Why I got this notice Im NOT Summerhil ??
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Cant think Why I got this notice Im NOT Summerhil ??
You've posted several times on this thread which is why you'v e gotten notification that a new reply has been posted here.
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Hello Ros Alathar,
yes indeed we wre related. We both have the same connections and our dads were brothers. We are first cousins infact. Well can you send me 2 more posts on this board and then I will be able to send you private messsages and I will give you loads more information. I remember my dad also worked on board the Ros alathar with your dad Jim. Jackie was my dad.
Hoping to hear from you soon.
Regards,
Summerhill.
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Hello Summerhill
Delighted to be in contact, of course I knew your Dad well - indeed he was my Godfather! I have over the past years lost a lot of contact with my relatives but am a .... true Campbell, and would love to know more about the family, our Aunt D did do research into the family tree, but I unfortuately have few detials...
fondest wishes
'RosAlator'
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Hello again Summerhill
2nd post as requested...
I can fill you in on some details, but both our Dads were very close, with the same stories and very similiar styles of relating them... genuine great hunoured Gentlemen.
Looking forward to hearing from you
Sabrena RosAlalator
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HI Ros Ailither!!
I am now going to send you a Private message and all will be revealed. But also may I suggest you also read my other post the Cummings of Ballycarton which is also on the Derry board. It is linked to Alderman Patrick Campbell.
Summerhill.
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Ros Alathor,
Can you contact me again please. I am sorry to say I deleted your email by accident and I dont know your email.
Thanks,
Summerhill
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Hi Summerhill,
I have been reading through your posts and I'm wondering if your family somewhere along the line links in with mine. My father's (Patrick Campbell Mc Laughlin) grandfather Patrick McLaughlin married Catherine Donnelly Campbell on the 4th Oct 1887 in Coleraine. Catherine's parents were Thomas Campbell and Jane Templeton. Some of Caterine's possible siblings are:
John Campbell, 26 Feb 1864, 0363, Aughadowey, Londonderry
Mary Jane Campbell, 06 Oct 1867, 452, Aughadowey, Derry
Charles Campbell, 01 Jul 1869, Londonderry
Thomas Edward Campbell, 03 Jun 1871, 524 Aughadowey, Derry
Grace Campbell, 13 Feb 1873
Rose Campbell, 10 Feb 1877, Macosquin, Londonderry
Bridget Campbell, 29 Jul 1878, Macosquin, Londonderry
Did you come across any of the above in your searches, if so could you fill me in? I have found out a good bit about the McLaughlin's but not a lot on the Campbells.
Thanks
Fran
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Hello Fran,
Thanks for your reply. I am not sure if your Campbells may be related to mine or not but I will give you what ever information I have. Patrick was born in 34 Ferguson Street Londonderry, on the 19th April, 1872. His parents were Thomas Campbell & Margaret O'Donnell, (They were married in 1870 in Longtower Church) in turnThomas Campbells' parents were William &Mary Campbell . William died in 1865 they lived in Hoggsfolly off Bishopstreet. I know that William was born around 1807 in Muff, Co. Donegal (His parents being Joseph & Elizabeth campbell).
Back to Patrick again... his siblings were:
William born in 1871 died in 1878
Sarah born 1876 died 1898
Rose Anne born 1873
Bridget born 1875
Margaret born 1877.
Patricks family lived in and around Bishop Street Derry.
Patrick himself married Anne Elizabeth Cummings on 19th April 1899 in St. Eugenes <Derry.
Now I note from your post that there two ancestors Rose & Bridget Campbell. There may be a link as I do not know exactly who Thomas Campbells siblings were.
I obtained information about Thomas Campbell when I enquired in Derry City Cemetery Office about campbell burial records and they gave me information on not only THomas
but also William & who his parents were.
So as you can see I am still looking too. I hope this has been of some help.
Kind regards,
Summerhill
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Hi Summerhill,
Thanks for information, it doesn't look like the are related but I will keep searching!! Do I have to visit the Derry City Cemetery Office in person or do they have something online?
Best of luck with your searches.
Fran
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Hi Fran,
I simply rang Derry City cemetery Office. I gave them as much detail as I could. I was lucky that William Campbell died in 1865 the year civil registration for Births, deaths & marriages was introduced. But you would have to be certain that your ancestors were buried in Derry City Cemetery.
As some people returned to their home parish to be buried in their family graves.
Although the staff in Derry City Cemetery office are very helpful & friendly.
regards,
Summerhill.
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Thanks Summerhill
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Hi ,just to say i knew Leo father of Leo,Ian and also Christine as i used to visit alot to the home place in Annamoe Rd Dublin ,he was a lovely man always so welcoming , have been friends with Christine since we were 10 ,also used to visit Leo at the jewellery shops a lovely man also .please say hello to him for me .Betty .
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I have just joined and I am so appreciative to have found so much information already.
I am descended from Patrick Campbell's sister Rose Campbell who married Edward McNulty.
If you need any information I'd be glad to help and share.
I'd love to see some photos.
I know that there is also a gravestone of the William Campbell descent in the Long Tower Churchyard directly opposite the front entrance.
Best wishes,
Mary.
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Hello Mary
Delighted to see your post. I have done a lot of research on Alderman Patrick Campbell. I have a few photos and certificates. I have also some information on the Mc Dermott and Cummings families also.
However you will have to post 3 times before we can send private messages. I am descended from Patricks second son James Francis.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Summerhill
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Hello Summerhill,
So nice to hear from you so soon...I wasn't sure if the trail was still open since I'm a new member.
Have you ever seen the plaque in the Guildhall dedicated to Patrick Campbell?
I was enquiring about it today but have to call back to get the 'man in the know'.
Best wishes,
Mary.
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Hi again Mary.
Sorry to say I have never been to Derry as yet . I have not seen the plaque to Patrick Campbell either, but would love a photograph of it.
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Hi Mary,
Any luck with the placque yet?
I would so love to see a photograph of it.
If you can answer this post you will then have reached the 3 posts required to send private messages.
Sincerely,
Summerhill.
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Unfortunately no luck in finding that plaque yet. Still trying to get in touch with the caretaker.
But I did find this photo of Roseanne Campbell, Patrick Campbell's sister, and her children, Ella, Bella, Mary-rose and Bernadette.
Best wishes,
Mary.
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That is a beautiful photograph, Mary from Derry. Sorry I have not been on Rootschat for a while. But keep an eye on your private message inbox. I cant send one tonight as we are busy on the farm, but I will send one as soon as I can.
Best wishes,
Summerhill.
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MaryfromDerry,
I have sent you a private message.
Kind regards,
Summerhill.
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Hi!
I was doing a search online for Alderman Patrick Campbell's obituary from the Derry Journal and I came across this thread. So exciting. I'm an historian finishing a book manuscript about Derry from the turn of the century and Patrick Campbell is one of my favorite historical figures. Right now I am trying to compare the way the first Catholic nationalist politicians of the city (Catholics do not get representation until 1896) to those that are passing now, e.g. Bishop Daly, Paddy 'Bogside' Doherty, etc. I'd love to exchange information (I have a fair bit on him) and would particularly appreciate the obituary if anyone has ever found it for you!
All the best,
Margo
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Hi Margo,
I do have that obituary got it from one of my Derry Cousins. I will email it on to you.
I would also love what ever information you have on him as I know nothing about his political career only from the geneaological aspect.
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On behalf of my daughter, I would like to thank you all for this great research. She is the great great grand daughter of Patrick. She has to do her family tree for homework and thanks to you all she has loads of information on her family.
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Hello Married a Campbell,
I am a great grand daughter of Patrick. I have photographs of Patrick, his wife Annie, and his family. I also have information about his time on Londonderry Corporation along with his obituary from the Derry Journal.
I would be delighted to share them with you for your daughters' project. I also have the family tree done out which I am sure would be of great interest to her.
If you post two more replies, I can then message you privately with my email address.
warmest regards,
Summerhill
Summerhill
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Thank you!
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Chances are we know each other!
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I received to day my gggGrandfathers death Certificate:William Campbell died 27/01/1865 his death certificate address is 6 Ferry Row Derry, but Derry city cemetery's records give his address as Hoggs Folly, Derry. Does any one know if Ferry row and Hoggs Folly are the same place? And also do these streets exist any more. William was Alderman Patrick Campbells Grandfather.
Hi Summerhill
The street you are enquiring about Ferry Row was on /off Bishop St. According to John Bryson's book 'The Streets of Derry' . I researched further and discovered that there was a greengrocers shop on the corner owned by a man called John Ferris and this led to the street being mis-named as Ferris Row.
I have james on my tree also. His father was William Campbell married to Anne Campbell b.1809 d.25/4/1886 (O'Neill St Derry which was off Henrietta Street)
Hope this helps regards Soupie
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Hello Soupie,
Thank you so much for that information.
warmest regards,
Summerhill