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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: jerper on Sunday 31 May 09 15:38 BST (UK)
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Hello,
Can any body help with any information on a Richard Cross b.1870 in Wiltshire England who emmigrated to Australia around 1900? This is the only information I have, and that was from an old letter some 40 years old sent by my fathers aunt. Any information would be gratefully received.
Regards
John Pearl
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If you know who his parents you can look at Qld or NSW free to view Deaths Indexes, Vic has a pay site to view. I can't recall whats available for SA, WA, TAS or NT.
Most Indexes that I am aware of for Immigration to Australia are on free to search sites at the various State sites.
Google should help to find many of them.
A quick look at one index in Qld shows one who appears to fit the data you supplied.
CROSS Richard 38 Ormuz 7 May 1908 IMM/128 149 Z1968 M1707, M1708 at
http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/research/index/immigration.asp
Another site to look at is http://www.ancestorsonboard.com/
Keep in mind that there are some of my Ancestors, who even though we know what year they arrived in Aus, we cannot find which ship or port they arrived in.
Happy Hunting
Mick
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Hello there John
Also arriving in 1908 on The Ormuz
on page 1
CROSS AGNES C
CROSS ALEXANDER C
CROSS ESTHER A
CROSS MRS 36
CROSS JANIE 16
on page 2
CROSS GEORGE W 14
CROSS RICHARD 38
which could very well indicate they travelled together
the ship is also listed on the ProVic site
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=23
If you are able to give parents name we can look at deaths etc for you. It would be very helpfull if you can obtain any information from the letter as to where he did go in Australia etc
If you look at the resources listed under Australian Resources at the top of the board you will find losts of links to sites etc for immigration.
kind thoughts Jenn
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Hello John, Mick and Jenn
I am not sure that the family you found going to QLD on the Ormuz are the right family. I see a family on the 1901 UK census who would appear to be the Qld immigrants - all born Lancs, living at St Annes by the Sea, Blackpool
Riichard 31 horsebreaker and general labourer, born Lytham Lancs,
Esther Ann 28, Jane 9, George William 6, Agnes 4, John Arthur 8 months (not on shipping list)
Right age for your chap - wrong birthplace :(
Cheers, Judith
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There is this birth
Births Sep 1869
CROSS Richard Frederick Alderbury 5a/173
and on the 1871 census is shown living with father Wm J and mother Elizabeth and four siblings in Looc, St Feock, Cornwall but born Wiltshire, Whiteparish. His father's occupation is gardener.
1881 Census back in Ford, Laverstock, Wiltshire and father is now a Nurseryman and Florist.
There is this marriage in WA in 1908
CROSS Richard F
STEWART Helen A
Claremont Reg#13 1908
and this death
CROSS Richard F
District Perth
Reg# 2156 1943
and burial records
CROSS Richard Frederick of Mosman Park died 22 Sept 1943 aged 73 [b. 1870]and is buried with
CROSS Helen Elsie of Mosman Park died 26 Jul 1967 aged 79 years and is buried in the Brethren Section of Karrakatta Cemetery Grave 0001.
Helen Elsie is noted as Grantee on the grave - this would have been from the burial of Richard in 1943.
Electoral Rolls
1916
CROSS Richard Frederick Shenton Road, Claremont Gardener
CROSS Helen Allison Shenton Road, Claremont HD
1925
CROSS Richard Frederick 11 Burt Road, Cottesloe Gardener
CROSS Helen Elsie 11 Burt Road, Cottesloe HD
1936
CROSS Annie Grace 11 Burt Road, Cottesloe Typist
CROSS Francis Stewart 11 Burt Road, Cottesloe Clerk
CROSS Helen Elsie 11 Burt Road, Cottesloe HD
CROSS Nellie Pearl 11 Burt Road, Cottesloe Typist
CROSS Richard Frederick 11 Burt Road, Cottestloe Gardener.
Of course only certificates will identify if it is your Richard but I was not going to even type this up until I found the dob for Richard Frederick was 1870 and occupation gardener. Of course these facts may well be coincidental.
I also wondered about the 1916 electoral roll with Helen Allison as wife and later enrolments Helen Elsie...wonder if her name was Helen Allison Elsie :-\
Cheers
Cando
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Wow, Cando, what a mine of information. I just could not get an entry for him to come up in the UK census list that I looked at!
>:(
Judith
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I searched just using his name, yob and County. I guess it depends on which online site one uses and there are now many. The 1871 census is for Cornwall and the image shows the name as "Crosf". RG10/2289/19/12 and 1881 Wiltshire RG11/2069/77/3. I will type the whole lot up if you want me to but it will have to be later on today. The domestic duties await ::) ::) :P
Cheers
Cando
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Well found Cando,
we will just have to await John's reply to see if this is the right chap
JEnn
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Would be wonderful if it was the right bloke but we all know how easy it is to make bloopers. ;D ;D
Cheers
Cando
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Hi John,
Have been working away on this. Most information has been posted by cando.
I have him in earlier census entries do not see him in 1891 - One thing which has not been posted is the immigration - I wonder if he he may have arrived in Tasmania
Mr R F CROSS 21 single farmer departed Plymouth 15 Nov 1890 aboard the KAIKOURA which was headed for New Zealand. His destination was listed Hobart. No further information unfortunately. Everybody else on the page was listed as destination Wellington.
Cheers Kris :)
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No electoral enrolment for a Richard Frederick in Tasmania on the 1903 roll. Of course if it is him arriving in Tasmania, he may have left that State by 1903.
Cando
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,115587.msg507599.html#msg507599
Had a look back at John's last postings and this topic explains whose Richard Parents are
A Mr Cross and Mary Pearl
Jenn
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The only possible PEARL/CROSS marriages I can find on freebdm -
Marriages Sep 1841
CROSS James Lexden 12/181
PEARL Anna Maria Lexden 12/181
Marriages Sep 1860
CROSS William John Bradfield 2c/507
PEARL Elizabeth Bradfield 2c/5077
The 2nd marriage appears to be for the parents of the Richard Frederick b. 1870.
Cando
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Yes it appears to be the same family. (Childrens names match - also older ones although mother is Elizabeth not Mary.)
possibly
William John CROSS = Elizabeth PEARL Sep 1/4 1860 Bradfield 2c 50
I did find Annie working and Frank with relatives in 1891 but did not locate Richard. That thread is from 2005 so hopefully John will have more information, and was possibly wrong re mothers name at that time. :-\
Cheers Kris :)
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Reading the previous postings it appears that there was a sister Annie b. Truro Cornwall and a brother Frank. May be only a coincidence but Richard had younger siblings Annie and Frank.
1881 Census RG11/2069/77/3
Residing at Ford, Laverstock Wiltshire
CROSS William John 48 Nurseryman and Florist b. Oxford, Whitechurch
CROSS Elizabeth 46 Nurseryman's wife b. Cambridge
CROSS Edward Allen 17 b. Wiltshire, Meltchet Court
CROSS Mary Catherine 12 b. Wiltshire, Meltchet Court
CROSS Richard Frederick 11 b. Wiltshire, Meltchet Court
CROSS Annie Emily 10 b. Cornwall, Truro
CROSS Frank 2 b. Hants, Sherfield, Romsey
Cando
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Cando you beat me to it ;D ;D ;D
Would have to say well done seems to confirm it may very well be the right chap you have found in Western Australia.
Been looking to see if there are deaths for his parents as indicated in previous posts.
Jenn
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I see that young Frank is living with his Aunt and Uncle in 1891
will post if needed
will reread the postings to see if John has this.
Jenn
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This could be one parent
Deaths Dec 1899
CROSS William John 63 years Lambeth 1d/277
Cando
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Well Hello,
May I start by saying a big thankyou for all the information you guys have uncovered, I did actually post a reply early this morning before i went to work but i'm blowed if i know where it went. I started looking at the connection between the Pearls and Cross's after obtaining a couple of letters my father's aunt had written some 40 years ago to another distant relative. But I was confused by her saying that my GGGGrandfather John William Pearl was married to Sarah Jackson and they had 2 boys Joseph and James and a daughter named Mary who married some one called Cross they had a farm in the New Forest and when the parents died the 3 children emmigrated around 1899 1900 Richard to Australia, Annie to South Africa and Frank to Canada who after a couple of weeks drowned whilst trying to save a girl in the sea. Now armed with this info I was thrown into confusion because for ages my John William and Sarah Jackson had 4 sons or so I thought. I used the census returns that you mentioned for 1881 and thought it had to be the correct Cross family. It now looks like I have to delve alot deeper into my Pearl family. Again thankyou all.
Regards
John Pearl
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Hello every one who helped way back in 2009,
it's me again John Pearl, I have only just proved that there was an Elizabeth Pearl in our family and she did in fact marry William J. Cross. Which makes your findings way back then correct with Richard Frederick Cross at Burt Road, Cotesloe. Where do I go from here to find more information on the family after 1936 please. Any information gratefully received thankyou.
Regards
John Pearl