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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Devon => England => Devon Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Robin G on Wednesday 03 June 09 10:33 BST (UK)
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Hi
I have found Elizabeth Susan Mary HOCKINS, born in 1869 at Devonport, staying with her grandmother, Elizabeth HOCKINS, during the 1881 census for Stoke Damerel, Devon. I'm hoping that she is staying with her parents in the 1871. I would be very grateful for details of her parents and any siblings if she is.
Regards
Robin
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Hi Robin
1871: 10 Clarence Place - Village of Morice Town, Devonport, Tamar, Stoke Demeral,
RG10 - Piece: 2138 - Folio: 97 - Page: 46
Head: Elizabeth HOCKINS 59, Widow, Annuitant, b Woodbury Devon
Son: Philip W. HOCKINS 33, married, retired Victualler, b Devonport Devon
Dau-In-Law: Susan Ellen HOCKINS 16, married, Teacher of Piano, b Falmouth, Cornwall
Grandaughter: Elizabeth S HOCKINS 16 months, b Morice Town, Devon
Visitor: Kate MOORMAN 12, Scholar, b Falmouth, Cornwall
Visitor: Mary BLIGHT 71, widow, Annuitant, b Sythney, Cornwall
Visitor: Kate ROWE 56, widow, Retired Music Seller (Publisher), b Sythney, Cornwall
Susan and little Elizabeth - some ;) ;) may think the surname is ELLENDO as in "Susan Ellen do (ditto)"
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi Ambly
Thanks so much! That is exactly what I was hoping for. I'm very pleased and grateful. For those of us living overseas it is very difficult to get access to information so your help is much appreciated.
Regards
Robin
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You may already have this ;)
Marriage;
Philip William HOCKINS
Susan Ellen MOORMAN
June 1869
Stoke Dameral
5b 526
Trish :)
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Hi Trish
Thanks for going the extra mile. I had just found the marriage details and was looking, unsuccessfully, for Susan's birth. I can only find a Susan Ellen BLIGHT with the right age and place of birth.
You and your colleagues have been very helpful. Thank you!
Regards
Robin
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1851 Census
313 Clarence Place
Morice, Stoke Dameral, Devon
HO107/1822/551/59
Elizabeth HOCKINS, head, 39, widow, proprietor of houses, born Modbury Devon
Charles F, son, unm,15 , clerk, born Stonehouse
PHILIP W, son, 12, unm, scholar, born Devonport
Joseph.D, son, 10, unm, scholar
Walter.J, son, 7, unm
Mary MURRAY, 73, widow, mother-in-law annuitant, born Milford Wales
Really not sure abt Mary maybe should be Mother and is Elizabeths Mother?
Birth;
Philip William HOCKINS
March 1839
Stoke Dameral
9 462
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Do you want me to find more? I am quite willing to help if you want :)
Philip died 1875, death on Freebmd
Trish
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MMM ??? See what you mean abt Susans birth.
I did a soundex search and closeset I can find is;
Susan Ellen MERRIMAN 1859 but it is in London area.
Marriage cert might be a necessity ::)
Tried Cornwell OPC but nothing for her there.
Trish
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Death;
Susan Ellen HOCKINS
June 1877
Hackney
1b 360
Age 23
How sad, they both died young.
Maybe there is a London connection?
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Hi Trish
Thanks for your kind offer. I suspect I will have to order a certificate and then maybe come back to you. Regarding my Moorman/Blight query did you notice the Visitors in the 1871 Census entry?
Thanks again.
Regards
Robin
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Yes, very interesting.
Do you know more than you are telling ;)
I think Elizabeths maiden name was CHAPMAN as there is a marriage to Charles in 1834 on IGI, also a death for Charles Hockins March 1851, Stoke. This would mean Elizabeth was just made a widow before 1851 Census.
The visitors could be;
Kate Moorman- Susans sister, the others as all from Cornwall, Susans grandma and Mother remarried or aunt???
Trish
EDIT I have found none of them 1841 Census ::)
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Hi Trish
I dug deeper into the Free BMD site and searched for MOORMAN/BLIGHT marriages. It came up with James Benetto MOORMAN and Susan BLIGHT married Mar 1855 Falmouth. They appear to have had at least three children:
Susan Ellen BLIGHT Jun 1854 Falmouth (adopted or natural?)
James Bennetto MOORMAN Dec 1857 St. Columb
Kate MOORMAN Mar 1859 Falmouth
For confirmation, if you get a chance please see if this family is in the 1861 Census.
Thanks again.
Regards
Robin
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Looks like Susan was illegitimate and born before marriage in 1855.
Will look for Census later tonight.
Cheers,
Trish
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Boy, is this family complicated looked at Mary Blight, born 1800 and husband is never home or she is a widow and visiting ;D
1861 Census
270 Church Street
Falmouth, Cornwall RG9/1565/25/43
James B. MOORMAN, Head, mar,55, Attorney/Solicitor,born Tregony
Susan, wife, mar, 30, born Falmouth
James.B., son, unm, 8, scholar, Falmouth
Susan.E., daug, unm, 6, Falmouth
Kate, daug, unm, 2, Falmouth
William. son, unm, 2 days, born Falmouth
Mary BOLITHO, servant, unm, 18, house servant
Lavinia HARPER, 18, unm, house servant
Harriett PHILLPOLL, 60, w, Nurse
Next door is a HOCKINS family;
Anne HOCKINS, head, 31, unm, schoolmistress, St Austell
Emmeline, sister, 21, unm, schoolmistress, born """"""""
+ servant and 2 visitors
Maybe 2nd marriage for James?
Trish
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NOPE, looks like he was unm 1851, will cut this to the basics;
1851 Census
30 Grove Place,Falmouth HO107/1911/308/11
William MOORMAN,head,m, 82, Gentleman,St Just
Mary,wife,m,78
JAMES.B., son,unm,45,Solicitor
Mary.B.daug,42,unm, Lady
Ricahrd.B. son,unm,40,Commander R.N. (half pay)
OOh I've got a R.N. connection too
+ 3 servants
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James B.'s christening is on IGI + siblings from 1800-1813
William, born abt 1769 is there too.Parents William and Eden
William MOORMAN married Mary BENNETTO, 8 Nov.1798
William MOORMAN, Eden BOVEY, 20 Oct. 1767
All on Cornwall OPC ;D
Anything else you want can do over next couple days.
Trish
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Hi Trish
Thanks so much for all your clever detective work. It seems that you have managed to locate the whole lineage of this family and added many new names and generations to the family tree.
Thank you for your kindness and expertise. I am one happy chappy.
Regards
Robin
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Hi Robin,
You are very welcome :) I will sort out the Brights for you too later if you want?
I've got to go away this weekend but if you do want them , will do it next week.
Cheers,
trish
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Hi Trish
That's very generous of you. I would be pleased to have the parents and siblings of Susan BLIGHT born 1831 Falmouth if you can spare the time next week. I'm worried that I'm pushing my luck so please don't go to too much trouble. Have a nice weekend>
Regards
Robin
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Will do :) ( too both)
Trish
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I have pm'ed you the 1851 Census.
Susan Blight 1831 is living with Mother Mary and has 3wk old Susan with them.
Susans sisters marriage;
Mary BLIGHT
Michael DOWLING
March 1851
Falmouth
9 115
From the 1851 Census checked for Baptisms of children;
parents are HENRY and MARY
Catherine,Susan,Richard,Robert,Emma all born Falmouth
So the Susan Ellen BLIGHT birth 1854,Falmouth seems the right one ;D
Trish
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As Catherine is baptised Catherine Pascoe BLIGHT looked for marriage;
Henry BLIGHT
Mary PASCOE
25 September 1827, Falmouth, Cornwall (extracted)
The only thing is I have no idea where Henry is on all censuses he never appears with Mary. Maybe he always worked away from home ??? until he died.
Will post other census data another time.
Cheers,
Trish
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1841 Census HO107/154/5/Falmouth
Killegrew Street
Falmouth, Cornwall
Mary BLIGHT, 41
Mary, 13
SUSAN, 10
Emma, 9
Richard, 8
Robert, 7
1861 Census
Mary is visiting with the Annear Family in Penryn, Cornwall
63 St Thomas St, Penryn RG9/1567/10/13
Charles ANNEAR, head,mar,34,masons lab.,born BudocK
Mary,wife,mar,37,born Sythney
Mary Jane, daug,unm,10,scholar,born Budock
Mary BLIGHT,visitor,widow,blacksmiths widow,born Sithney
OK so between 1851-1861 Henry Blight, blacksmith dies ;)unfortunately 3 possibilities in Cornwall on Freebmd
Trish
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Hi Trish
Well done! Great detective work with the Pascoe name. I wonder if Henry was a miner working night shifts and therefore counted at the mine rather than at home. Anyway you have really gone the extra mile for me so please have a break now.
Thank you very much for your generosity in sharing your time and resources. If ever you need help with South African research I will do my very best to assist you.
Regards
Robin
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Hi Robyn,
Thank you , I really enjoyed doing it :)
I could do with some help in Sth Africa, but really have no idea what is available there.
My g/g/grandfather was a Captain and apparently the family was in Sth Africa abt. 1852-1864.
Trish
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Hi Trish
Let me have the details and I will try to help.
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Regards
Robin