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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: mrs a on Friday 12 June 09 22:03 BST (UK)
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does anyone have MI for Carnwath graveyrd or a source for burial records?Am looking for Thomas Alexander died ?1844 . Spouse Margaret Noble
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Carnwath should be covered by "The Upper Ward of Lanarkshire" book of MIs, I don't have a copy, sorry.
The burial register for Carnwath is really just the bare bones!
The entry you require reads -
Thomas Alexander, Carnwath aged 85 years, buried 4th March 1844.
The Carnwath mentioned would be the village, as other places in the parish are mentioned as "place of abode".
Good luck,
Lodger
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Thanks Lodger, just what I needed.
Where did you get the information?
Avril
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Hi Avril,
This information comes from the Carnwath old parochial records at Register House Edinburgh. I transcribed the Carnwath burials some years ago, the list of burials is on book 3 of the microfilm records - 632/3. The list begins at 1826 and ends 1854.
There are some mortcloth records in 632/2 from 1716 - 1729. There are no deaths (or marriages) recorded between 1729 and 1825.
Here are the other Alexanders in the Carnwath book.
All have the surname Alexander - dates are presumed to be of burial.
Infant - 28th Feb 1832, Forth. 4 months.
Robert - 14th April 1837, Forth, 2 years.
Jean - 11 Jan 1839, Forth, died of a cold, 2 years.
Thomas - 24th July 1840, Carnwath, 20 years.
William - 26th DEc 1840, Forth, fever, 3 years.
James - 5th April 1842, Forth, old age, 82 years.
John - 1st June 1849, accident, aged 12 years.
Agnes - 2nd June 1853, died in childbed, 19 years.
John - 23rd Feb 1854, Carnwath, cancer, 49 years.
William - 30th March 1854, Forth, decline, 11 years.
Hope that helps a little,
Lodger.
Infant,
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Hello Lodger,
Do you happen to have anything on the burial of ARCHIBALD BROWN, born Carnwath 1799, died Carnwath Dec 1845, wife Margaret Brown? He was a farmer living at Tarbrax on the 1841 Census. His wife died 1868 West Linton, Peeblesshire.
Thanks,
Canisp
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Canisp,
As I said before, it's only the bare bones -
Archibald Brown, aged 46 years, Tarbrax. Cause of death Inflamation. Buried 23rd December 1845.
Quite a lot of Browns in the parish, no others at Tarbrax. The 3 other burials with Tarbrax as the abode were for the surnames Dymock (2) and Stuart.
Lodger.
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Thanks again Lodger. Can you please confirm that Archibald is actually buried in the village of Carnwath and not elsewhere in the Parish?
Canisp
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The village churchyard would have been the only burial place in the parish at that time.
The burial information was taken from the "Carnwath parish burial book", so if the deceased was interred in another place it would probably have been recorded, I have seen evidence of this in burial books of other parishes.
Lodger.
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Avril, There is a small headstone for Thos Alexander in the Carwath Churchyard, there are no other markings.
Cansip, There is a large stone with many names starting with Jas Broun d 1704 age 72 then several others including Archd tenant Tabrax 19.12.1845 age 46.
The grave number is 177, there are other Browns in other graves.
I have tried attaching a scan of the entry but with no luck. Send me a private PM with your email address if you would like a copy.
Peter
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Thanks Lodger, thanks Peter - PM sent.
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Canisp,
I see you've got Walker's (Bathgate) in your tree. You don't by any chance have any from Inchcross Farm?
Avril
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Not as far as I know Avril. There were a lot of Walker's in Bathgate and my GGGG Grandfather Robert Walker (1803-1887) lived in Mid Street in 1841 and was a Cotton Weaver in 1851. His son Thomas (1842-1921) was a shoemaker who later moved to Addiewell.
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Lodger, would you mind please looking for any burial details for :
JAMES BROWN, died 10 Feb 1847, aged 85, buried Carnwath. and his wife...
GRISSEL/GRIZZEL CRAIG, date and place of death unknown, but probably Parish of Carnwath.
Thanks,
Canisp.
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Weather permitting I will be in Carnwath tomorrow and will have a look in the churchyard
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Hi Canisp,
No James Brown in the book for 1847, sorry. Sancti may dig something up tomorrow! :o
Was Grizzel Craig married to a Brown?
Couldn't find her under Craig but there is a Grizzel Brown, no abode stated, aged 63 years, died of a decline, buried 14th June 1832. Does she fit?
Lodger
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The MI's for Carnwath have a Grissell Craig buried there widow of James - the family is listed from the first Jas Broun who died in 1704 aged 72 to the final entry in 1918.
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Thanks folks,
I already have the Carnwath Monumental Inscription details from Peter and Falkyrn, thanks. I was hoping Lodger's burial register may have given some extra detail.
Lodger, the Grizzel Brown you mention would fit age wise but I have no other info as yet that would confirm her as James's wife.
sancti, don't go out of your way as I guess the only additional detail to be had would be a photo - and I'm only 10 miles up the road.
Canisp
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The MI's for Carnwath have a Grissell Craig buried there widow of James - the family is listed from the first Jas Broun who died in 1704 aged 72 to the final entry in 1918.
Got a picture of this one and it is legible
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The headstone does not give Grissel's date of death or age at death
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Thanks sancti, I will send you a PM.
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I took pictures with the following surnames mentioned
Rev James Walker
Russell - Brown
Prentice-Brown-Donaldson
Brown-Morrison
Walker-White
Brown-Steele-Graham-White-Craig-Smith
Brown
Tervit-Tweedie
Walkingshaw-Brown
Ferguson-Alexander
Henshall-Brown
Simpson-Walker
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I am trying to find the death of William Robertson (b. abt 1811 on IGI) and Martha Somerville (b.1795 on IGI)
Both are on the 1841 cencus for Carnwath. Is there anything listed in the Carnwath records. Their marriage was 1835.
J-Mac
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Only headstone with the name Martha Somerville I could find was the wife of Maurice Kay
Many headstones are worn flat or are lying face down and some are covered by vegetation
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There are three deaths for Martha Somervilles in the OPR burial register for Carnwath.
1st one died 2nd March 1847, abode given as Forth, aged 50 years, no cause of death.
2nd one died 6th April 1847, also in Forth village, aged 25 years, no cause of death stated.
3rd one died 14th February 1854 at Braehead, aged 42 years, cause of death given as consumption.
Looks like the 1st one could be the one you want. No record for William Robertson, sorry.
Lodger.
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Martha (Somerville) Kay died 2nd Nov 1897
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Martha (Somerville) Kay who died 2nd Nov 1897 was aged 78 ie b1819
Peter
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Thanks, Sancti, Lodger and Slippery for your replies.
The first death posted by Lodger looks possible.
I'll try to find her husband William Robertson on the
post 1855 registers and see if she is mentioned as
William's wife.
J-Mac
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I hope for your sake he lasted until at least January 1861. Before then the name of the spouse wasn't registered, only the marital status.
Lodger
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Hello Lodger & Others with Carnwath MIs
I have a long wishlist for burials in Carnwath Burial Ground.
Please can you find any GRAHAMs? names I am especially interested in are George, died Feb 1878, Marion died June 1855 & James who predeceased his wife Marion. Others in the family were Ann died 1828, & one child on Marion's death certificate whose name is illegible whom I think died in 1801 (might be William).
I'm also looking for Peter SMITH who died in Sep 1852 & his wife Grizzel aka Grace who died sometime before 1841, Peter SMITH Jnr who died in July 1885 & his wife Margaret who died Nov 1887.
Also Robert BAIRD, whose wife Christian/Christina died in Sept 1858.
Any other BAIRDs, SMITHs & GRAHAMs you can find would be most appreciated.
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Hello australorp and welcome to Rootschat.
The dates don't quite tie up but here is a Smith/Baird MI from Carnwath Graveyard that may be of interest -
In affectionate memory of Peter Smith late Joiner in Kaimend d. 7.2.1883 aged 81y. Margaret Baird his wife d. 13.11.1867 aged 85y. Christina Bertram their daughter d. 11.7.1837 aged 11m
Canisp.
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There is also a Barbara Smith wife of David Brown. She died 10 June 1853 aged 55 yrs
I have a picture if you want a copy
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Thankyou Canisp & sancti
Peter & Margaret Baird are definitely mine although the MI transcription has the wrong year of death - those are 2 that I have death certificates for. Christina's death is new information for me.
I will keep searching to see whether David & Barbara Brown fit into my tree.
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australorp,
I have sent you two PM's (Private Messages) listing all Graham's, Smith's and Baird's mentioned in MI's for Carnwath Churchyard. You may need to make one more post on Rootschat (minimum of 3 posts required) to enable you to view your PM's.
Canisp.
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Thankyou so very much, Canisp, for sending me all those MI's. It will take me some time to sort them all out & discover whether I can link them into my family tree.
I've just received Marion GRAHAM's Will, which tells me her daughters' married names. May I be greedy & ask whether there are any TOD, BLACKIE or HALBERT MI's for Carnwath?
I think Agnes GRAHAM (born 1805) married James HALBERT; Marion GRAHAM (b 1812) married William BLACKIE; Janet GRAHAM (born 1788) married unknown TOD.
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australop,
There are 3 Tod MI's and 1 Blackie MI for Carnwath Churchyard. There are no Halberts.
Erected by Sir Simon MacDonald Lockhart of Lee and Carnwath in memory of Peter Currie, for more than half a century a friend & faithful servant of the family d. 27.4.1876 aged 65y. Also his wife Marion Tod d. 22.2.1900 aged 89y
Erected by Archibald Henderson, Haywood in memory of his daughter Helen d. 3.7.1853 aged 5 weeks. Also Helen Noble Henderson his daughter d. 22.4.1870 aged 10y. Also his wife Agness Tod d. 9.2.1863 aged 32y
Erected by Alexander Wilson, Scabgill in memory of his son Alexander d. 11.9.1891 aged 24y. James d. 7.3.1898 aged 3y 8m. William d. 25.12.1901 aged 23y 5m. Christina Tod his wife d. 2.2.1926 aged 75y. The above Alexander Wilson d. 15.2.1940 aged 86y
Erected by Paul Blackie in memory of William Blackie his father d. 25.5.1863 aged 59y and 9m. Also Janet his sister d. 11.8.1956 aged y and 9m. Also George his brother d. 26.8.1858 aged 2y and 3m
Threre is only one male "Todd" and one "Blakie" listed in the pre-1855 Carnwath Death Records -
JAMES TODD of Dykehead died 06 April 1829, no age given.
PAUL BLAKIE of Carnwath died 29 Aug 1842, age 2 weeks, cause of death "Bowel Hive".
There is also a WILLIAM BLAKELY of Braehead, died 08 July 1837, age 72, Influenza.
There are two Halberts listed -
HALBERT, Thos. Carnwath 13-Apr 1827 61 Cancer (Lip)
HALBERT, John Carnwath 25-Apr 1826 7 Water in Head
Just let me know if you need any others checked out.
Canisp.
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Thankyou very much again, Canisp. I've managed to identify the Paul Blackie memorials as part of my family.
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Hi!
I'm looking for any Steels buried in Carnwath. My Steel ancestors lived in Carnwath and Dunsyre from approximately 1700 (the earliest known ancestor, at least). Any help is greatly appreciated. I do not know any dates of death. The names of all Steel ancestors from that area are as follows.
1. James Steel
2. Janet Steel nee Broun (Brown)
3. Thomas Steel b. 1729 in Dunsyre
4. Elizabeth Steel nee Davidson.
5. Margaret Steel b. 1727
6. Janet Steel b. 1731
7. Helen Steel b. 1735
I am especially interested in James Steel, Janet Broun, Thomas Steel and Elizabeth Davidson. Any information is greatly appreciated!
Kati
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Hi Sancti,I see this was back in April but I wasn't on RC then.You mentioned a Tweedie in the Carnwath photos you took,I just wondered what the name was as I have a family of Tweedie's in Carnwath spanning at least a century possibly more.
George.
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George the name is Marion Tweedie, wife of John Tervit famer of Thankerton Boat
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Thanks Sancti,does it have a date.
George.
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Died 19 December 1859 aged 70 yrs
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Thank's Sancti,she is a possible,will follow up on that.
George.
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Hello everyone,
I am a descendant of Rev James Walker (1821-1891) through his son William (1858-1935).
I have been trying to trace James Walker's ancestors with limited success. I understand that his father, James Walker (d. 1839) was also a minister and was married to Jane French.
I have the names of their children as James (1821-1891), Agnes Gibson (b. 1823), Andrew (b. 1824), Norman Mcdonald Lockhart (b. 1826), Isabella Aitkin (b. 1829), Jane (b. 1831), Charles Mcdonald Lockhart (b. 1834), Helen (b. 1835) and John Martin (b. 1837).
I would be very grateful if anyone has more information concerning James Walker's ancestors, who I understand may have also been clergyman and/or his children.
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His headstone states he was married twice
1st wife Jane Hamilton died 1859
Their only child was born 1848 died 1850
2nd wife was Adamina Anderson born 1824 died 1906
Their son John A died 1883 aged 23
Their daughter Bessie Grahame died 1940
Daughter Jane Isabella widow of J H Napier died 1941
Daughter Caroline Cargill died 1958
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Thanks sancti, that's useful. I didn't know he was married before Adamina.
As far as I know, he had seven children with Adamina, the four you mentioned and William (1858-1935), James (b. 1856) and George (b. 1863). All born in Carnwath.
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Browsing came across your enquiry, probably long since satisfied. Rev James Walker was son of Andrew Walker as was Robert Walker my 3ggrandfather. The attached PDF may give you a few clues to help. Although it is missing a lot much of the info cae from Caroline Carghill Walker who my grandfather knew.
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Friends,
look up please Carnwath Graveyard for, Catherine Baillie who married William Swanston Lanark in 1864,
Catherine died age 50 in 1896.
Thank's
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Hi, looking to get in touch with Canisp who posted about an Archibald Brown who was born and died in Carnwath, married to Margaret Brown who died in West Linton in 1868. You also posted about James Brown and Grizzel Craig. Archibald Brown was my Great Great Great Grandfather via his son David Brown and I saw your posts and wondered if you had any information on them all - I have been online trying to find out a bit more but there are a lot of people with the same name and I wondered how you managed to trace the line.
Many thanks,
Iona McCulloch
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Hello Iona, welcome to Rootschat.
Archibald Brown (1799-1845) was also my GGG Grandfather - through his daughter Janet. The info I have on my Brown ancestors has been put together using various online sources - Scotland's People, Ancestry.com, LDS IGI familysearch.org as well as burial records, monumental inscriptions and visits to Register House in Edinburgh. After you have made 3 posts on Rootschat you should be able to use the PM (Private Message) facility. If you send me your e-mail address by PM I can send you the details I have on Archibald Brown and his ancestors.
Cheers,
Canisp.
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Hi Iona
Welcome to RootsChat from me too :)
You need to make a couple more posts here on the main boards before your personal message service (PMs) is activated. See www.rootschat.com/help/pms.php
The PMs is a good way to exchange personal info, such as emails etc.
Monica
PS: How exciting Canisp that you have found another relative ;)
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Hi all,
What a brilliant thread.
Lodger, may I be so bold as to ask if you can see any Russells buried in Carnwath, please? They were certainly in Carnwath during the 1800-1850 period.
Thanks,
Matt.
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Hi Matt, there are quite a few Russells, do you have first names and approximate ages?
A few examples from the Carnwath parish records -
WILLIAM RUSSELL, Glasgow, aged 27 years, consumption. 27th May 1854.
ELIZABETH RUSSELL, Carnwath, aged 12 years, decline. 4th May 1854.
WILLIAM RUSSELL, Newbigging, aged 17 years, fever. 11th January 1854.
MARY RUSSELL, (no place of abode given) aged 36 years, childbed. 7th January 1853.
JOHN RUSSELL, Carnwath, aged 76 years, old age. 29th October 1851.
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Hi Lodger,
Thanks for that,
I am interested to see if any David Russell's are recorded in the 1800-1841 timeframe, please.
Many thanks,
Matt :)
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Hi Matt,
No David's, sorry. The records only begin at 1826 for the burial book. There are a few mortcloth records for Carnwath but they only cover the period 1716 - 1729, too early for you.
Back to the drawing board I'm afraid!
Lodger
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Hi Lodger
I have Whitelaws and Andersons that lived in Carnwath and Symington.Wondering if you have any of them for Carnwarth graveyard.
Marguerite.
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Do you have names and dates of death?
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Hi Lodger,
Thanks for that,
I am interested to see if any David Russell's are recorded in the 1800-1841 timeframe, please.
Many thanks,
Matt :)
LFHS have a photo of a headstone with the name David Russell for his wife Ann Brown
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Hi Marguerite,
No Whitelaws, sorry. Several Andersons, do you know which part of Carnwath parish they lived? Any first names and ages?
Lodger
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Hi Lodger/sancti.
Thanks for your help. I'll check out the LFHS site. :)
Regards,
Matt.
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Hi all,
Wonder if anyone has come across the name Gebbie in any Carnwath burial/grave records. My lot were there from at least 1836 when James Gebbie and Janet Thomson married there and some of their children were still there in the 1890s.
Jackie
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Hi Jackie,
Sorry, no Gebbie/Gebby/Gibbie etc, plenty of Gibsons', that's the nearest name I could find.
Lodger
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There is a Gabbie in Hamilton Old parish churchyard
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Hi Lodger thanks for looking and Sancti don't have a link to Hamilton yet but you never know. There maybe one somewhere. Have loads of births, marriages, Census info but deaths seem to be another matter!!!
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Hi All,
I was wondering if those with access to the Carnwath MIs/Burial Registers could have a look for Somervilles for me. I would be interested in any Somerville entries but I am especially looking for a William Somerville who most likely died pre-1841. There are a few death entries on SP that could match him (particularly one for 1840) but it would be good to know if there is any trace of him being buried there. I would also be interested to know if his wife Margaret Bryce was buried there as she died in Carnwath on 9th May 1860.
Thanks for any help :)
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Long shot but, are there any burial records here for:
James HOGG born Nov.20, 1850 died 1913 in Cambuslang
Janet HOGG (nee Lena/Lind) born Aug 15, 1855 died Mar 5, 1952 in Carnwath
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I see you have Rankines in your family tree. I am descended from John Rankine of Inchcross - any connection?
Diana
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the main Rankines in my tree are from Callendar House in Falkirk
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Hi all,
Wonder if anyone has come across the name Gebbie in any Carnwath burial/grave records. My lot were there from at least 1836 when James Gebbie and Janet Thomson married there and some of their children were still there in the 1890s.
Jackie
Hi Jackie,
Just came across this post. I have James Gebbie & Janet Thomson with a few leaves I can possibly help you with to add to your branches if you are still tracing this line?
Regards,
Annie.
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Hi Jackie,
Have just checked where the connection is & it's their son John who married Grace Orr.
Something tells me we may have corresponded through GenesReunited a long while ago?
Annie.
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Friends,
look up please Carnwath Graveyard for, Catherine Baillie who married William Swanston Lanark in 1864,
Catherine died age 50 in 1896.
Thank's
Hi My relative Agnes Burns died in 1792 and is buried in Carnwath along with a Swanston Agnes was married to a Lind. Does she mean anything to you
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James Swanston married Helen Lind 1838 in Carnwath, their son William Lind Swanston b 1839 Carnwath d 1896 Carnwath married my "rellie" Catherine Baillie on the 27 May 1864 in Lanark, hope this helps you.
Lud
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Thank You very much for that info. I have the gravestone photo all the Linds are related to me on my dads side of the family. That means that Agnes Burns was first to die as she died in 1792.
Regards
Shona
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Hello Again
Do you know who Helen Linds parents were as I don't have a Helen Lind to Agnes Burns
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Hi,
sorry, do not have her parents names, I am following up the "Baillie line," however William Lind Swanston and Catherine, had 5 children.
Cheers
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Hi
Agnes burns was married to a Lind but they didnt have a Helen. Agnes died in 1792 there must be some connection I will keep digging
Cheers
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I was wondering if any of the following people may have been buried at Carnwath graveyard
John Orr born 1820 died 1891-1901
Wife Jean Marshall born 1826 died 1871-1881
Thomas Orr born about 1793 died about 1865
Wife Grace/Grizzal Watson born 1797 died 1874
George Watson born 1771 died 1846
Wife Elizabeth Harvey born about 1765 died 1836
George Chisholm born about 1822 unknown death date
Thanks so much!
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Hello,
I am tracing my family who seem to have been based in Carnwath for generations. So far death dates are hard to come by so I wondered if anyone could advise whether any likely candidates are buried in the churchyard. Some names and dates of birth are:-
Name Birth
Russel, George 1804 - Carnwath, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Russel, James 06 Oct 1765 - Carnwath
Russell, George 20 Oct 1847 - Carnwath, Lanark
Russell, Isabel 13 Jul 1841 - Carnwath, Lanark
Russell, John Campbell 2 June 1838 - Carnwath, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Any hints as to how to get to the deaths would be greatly appreciated - it seems they are not available via Scotland's People :'(
Many thanks!
Mildred
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Hi Mildred,
You may struggle with the earlier births as the may have died prior to 1855 when it became legal to register al BMD's.
Have you found them on census records to establish if they lived in the Carnwath & have you searched for marriages?
You may find that a single initial only & soundex (for different spellings) may turn up something ?
If not, they may have moved area?
Annie.
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Hello Annie,
Thank you for taking the time to reply! I was hoping the older ones might appear in the churchyard as you are right about the census - there seem to be lots of Russells which are not obviously my relatives and a farming family which is (so far) not related to my miners. I will widen the search as you suggest and have found a book which seems to list burials and mortcloths on another site which might shed some light on it too.
Thanks again for your suggestions - much appreciated :)
Mildred
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Hi Mildred,
If you don't have an anc*stry acc. you can try http://www.freecen.org.uk/
Good luck,
Annie.
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There are definitely headstones in the churchyard with the names Russell and Russel. I remember seeing them when I visited a few years ago
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Hi Sancti,
Thank you for that - it will definitely be worth a visit when I am next up in Scotland (I live in Cheshire at the moment) now that I know for sure there are at least some stones with the name on them.
Really good of you to reply:)
Mildred
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Thanks Annie, that's a great tip! I had a trial of anc*stry but it seemed very limited re Scotland so I have not joined up since.
All the Best
Mildred
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Hi Australorp
Peter Smith of Carnwath (Jnr) was my great, great, great, great grandfather. Peter's son, Allan Bertram Smith, was my grandfather's grandfather. Are you related to the Smiths of Carnwath ?
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I attach 2 photos from graveyard whcih I took while looking for any information on Thomas Watson's grave ( married Janet Rankine abt 1805 ). Both him and his son also Thomas ( Married Margaret Stewart 1833) were born in Carnwath. My grandfather William John McLachlan Watson was born in Carnwath in 1871 and moved to Winchburgh around 1898.
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I have lost a good lot of the information I had on my Hamilton family.
they stayed in the carnwath area & I was wondering if they were buried at carnwath.
WILLIAM HAMILTON died 1897 & his wife MARGARET KERR died 1894.
thanks for any help.
margaret
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Thank you all. We have been looking for this monument for decades. This photo was passed down from family in Edinburgh. This is amazing!
By the way, this is the Brown Family Memorial that starts with James Broun died 1704 age 72, Tenant of Carlindean...contains Archibald Brown died 19 Dec 1845, Tenant of Tarbrax, wife Margaret Brown died 11 July 1863 age 65.
I saw where someone was looking for this as well.
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I know this is old post but hoping you have notification's still switched on and can help me.
I am hoping my 4 x grandparent's are mentioned in the burial register for Carnwath graveyard.
Jean Lawrie (Laurie ) nee Scott died 25th June 1860 and according to her death certificate she was buried on the 26th June 1860 at Carluke. She was a Laborer's widow. I am hoping her husband is with her or even in the same graveyard. Robert Lawrie died the 12th of June 1843 in Carluke.
Many thanks for you time and effort that you put into these requests.
Carol (in New Zealand )
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I am hoping my 4 x grandparents are mentioned in the burial register for Carnwath graveyard.
Jean Lawrie (Laurie ) nee Scott died 25th June 1860 and according to her death certificate she was buried on the 26th June 1860 at Carluke. She was a Laborer's widow. I am hoping her husband is with her or even in the same graveyard. Robert Lawrie died the 12th of June 1843 in Carluke.
If they both died in Carluke, and she was buried in Carluke, why do you think there might be a mention in the Carnwath burial register? Did they have a connection with Carnwath?
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I am hoping my 4 x grandparents are mentioned in the burial register for Carnwath graveyard.
Jean Lawrie (Laurie ) nee Scott died 25th June 1860 and according to her death certificate she was buried on the 26th June 1860 at Carluke. She was a Laborer's widow. I am hoping her husband is with her or even in the same graveyard. Robert Lawrie died the 12th of June 1843 in Carluke.
That date for Robert Lawrie (12th June 1843) is his burial date in Carluke according to the parish records
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Reviving this old thread in the hope that Lodger or another Rootchatter with access to the Carnwarth records see this.
Is there a burial for a William Ramsay sometime between 1841 and 1851? He was aged between 10 and 20 and from Forth.
Also looking for his grandfather James Donaldson who died between 1845 and 1851, again probably in Forth.
thank you!
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No William Ramsay but there is a Thomas Ramsay of Forth aged 22 died on 2nd May 1848 of Consumption.
There is a James Donaldson listed died on 26th February 1851 aged 70 of Consumption (there is no location for his residence given)
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Extracted from the Upper Ward of Lanarkshire pre-1855 Monumental Inscriptions, by Sheila A. Scott.
Carnwath churchyard.
No.247. "Erected by William Ramsay, Forth in memory of his son William who died 5th January 1851 aged 20 years. Also his father-in-law William Donaldson who died 22nd February 1851 aged 76 years".
There is a Ramsay in the next grave, perhaps just a coincidence, Christina Ramsay, died 6th February 1905 aged 78 years (she died at Carluke) widow of James Tervit. If you need that inscription just let me know.
Lodger.
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Here are the rest of the Ramsay's and Donaldson's from the Carnwath Burial Book.
RAMSAY Marion Nelson, Carnwath. 6th January 1827 aged 75 years. Dropsy.
RAMSAY Elizabeth, Carnwath. 18th January 1835 aged 45 or 46.
RAMSAY Agnes, Carnwath. 25th August 1841 aged 64 years. Apoplexy.
RAMSAY Thomas, Forth. 2nd May 1847 aged 22 years. Consumption.
DONALDSON Janet, Wilsontown. 8th October 1839 aged 34 years. Fever.
DONALDSON Jane, Carnwath. 5th June 1847 aged 27 years. Fever.
DONALDSON James. 24th February 1851. Old age.
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Thank you RJ and Lodger for your very speedy replies!
I think the William Ramsay MI is the one I was looking for. Bit confused about his father in law being William Donaldson though, as he's James Donaldson on records I've seen. Interesting that a James died a few days earlier than the date on the gravestone for William.
I don't think Christina is connected but I will make a note in case I find a link. William senior and his family were in Stane, Cambusnethan by 1861.
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I just double-checked and he's definitely William (although "Wm" was used) on the MI book but it may have been wrongly transcribed.
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I have your family in the Cambusnethan cemetery records.
Their plot is in the oldest section of the "modern" cemetery, it is called Low Public and opened in 1861.
The Ramsay lair is number 19, so they would have been one of the first to purchase a lair.
I also have a picture of the stone, it has been cleaned-up, perhaps by you or another family member?
The burial records I have finish at 1917, sorry.
All dates are of interment.
JOHN RAMSAY, Stane, aged 3 weeks.
Parents - James Ramsay & Elizabeth Meek.
Interred in Low Public 19, 28th October 1861.
WILLIAM RAMSAY, Stane, aged 4 years.
Parents - James Ramsay & Elizabeth Meek.
Interred in Low Public 19, 16th May 1863.
MARY ANN WALLACE RAMSAY, Stane, aged 1 year.
Parents - James Ramsay & Elizabeth Meek.
Interred in Low Public 19, 18th January 1864.
JAMES RAMSAY, grocer, 4 Main Street, Stane. Aged 82 years. Widower.
Parents - William Ramsay & Eleanor Donaldson.
Interred in Low Public, 3rd January 1916.
I think this must have been a double lair, probably 19 and 20. I can't find any reference to 20 in the records.
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Amazing, thank you so much Lodger.
I didn't know anything about this family memorial. Now I'm wondering who cleaned it up!
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From OPR baptism records
RAMSAY
GRACE
daughter of
WILLIAM RAMSAY & HELEN DONALDSON
03/05/1838
632
30 / 97
CARNWATH
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Thanks Sancti.
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Hi EdinKath,
The picture I posted was taken in the year 2000.
I am now posting another, of the same stone, taken in 2011.
I will add up-to-date pictures, taken 2 days ago, in further posts, with views that should help guide you, if you ever want to visit.
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Taken 19th Feb 2024.
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Taken 19th Feb 2024
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The area behind the wall is the "Private" burial ground, a walled area developed by a private company in 1861. One view is looking toward the stone, the other is taken from the stone.
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The Ramsay stone is on the left. Looking towards the cemetery entrance and office. The large yew tree is marked on the 1859 ordinance survey map and pre-dates the cemetery.
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The Ramsay stone is on the right. This is looking down towards the newer area of the cemetery.
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Thank you so much Lodger! I am hoping to go sometime so this is really helpful for locating the stone.
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Lodger, would you have any information regarding a A Young that is on the Scottish Monumental Inscriptions record set as being buried at Carnwath Graveyard via Find my Past of which I cannot find on Scotland's People...I am trying to find and have been for many years for Andrew Young who was married to Janet Weir, they are both at Brownhill Farm living with Janet's brother in 1851 Scotland's Census and Janet then turns up in 1861 as a Widow with daughter Agnes and grand daughter Janet living at Cat H Burnhouse, Carnwath, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
Andrew Young occupation Miller is listed on his daughter Janet Young to Alexander Forrest marriage in 1861 as being deceased
I have a letter that mentions between Andrew and Janet's son Samuel to his Uncle in Canada after Samuel asks his uncle if he remembered when Andrew died but unfortunately his Uncle doesn't remember
Much appreciated if you are able to find anything, Thank you
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Hi crab2,
Sorry, I don't have anything else I can add to this, I see the "A. Young" in the Upper Ward book but that's as far as my information goes!
Andrew is not listed in the Carnwath Burial Register (1826 - Dec 1854) which makes me think he may not have been buried in that parish.
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It was worth a try, thanks for looking
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1851 census has them living in Libberton parish
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Thanks I have all that info along with others. I have alot of information on the Young family :)
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The A. Young headstone in Carnwath may not be your Andrew, if he died in Libberton
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We don't know where he died, I have the church graveyards booklets for Walston, Libberton, Carnwath and although it gave me more info to add to the tree for other family members it just doesn't have Andrew in any of them. He is a major Brickwall and one I feel is not going to come crashing down anytime soon
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Do you know where his wife is buried?
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Yes I've got all that and other's in his family...I really don't need help with anything else, thanks