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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Inverness => Topic started by: shilo on Monday 22 June 09 14:39 BST (UK)
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could someone please look up Alexander Mc Innes b 1811 married Rachel ? on the 2nd march 1830 Heast
They had 7 children
Margaret b 1830
Neil b 1833
Catherine b 1836
Duncan b 1837
Christine b 1839
Isabella b 1846
Donald b 1849
they Migrated to Australia in 1852 on the David Malcom but Margaret the eldest daughter seems to have dissapeared not sure if she stayed in Scotland or died on the way to Australia any help would be appreciated
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Hi
1841 census for Strath Inverness - address given just as Heaste - all b Inverness
Alexander McInnes 30 agricultural labourer
Rachael 30
Margaret 11
Niel 9
Catharine 7
Duncan 5
Christy McInnes 1
Strath ED 5 Page 7 Line 1490
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I cannot find them in 1851
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hello Carole
thats them thankyou
I just found Margaret's birth date 2nd Dec 1830 the family story is that she stayed in Scotland and a relative took her place on the ship but no one seems to no what happened to her
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just had a lood at my notes they moved to Edinburgh before migrated to Australia
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I had just been checking for Margaret McInnes marriages in Inverness on the IGI as I wondered if that is why she stayed in Scotland
Unfortunately - there are several possibilities
I have found a Niel McInnes aged 19 b Sleat working as a tailors apprentice in Duisdlebeg but no way of knowing if he is the right one as he is not with any McInnes family
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they moved to Edinburgh before migrated to Australia
I had done an all counties search in case they moved out of Inverness pre-1851 but there is nothing showing up where you could even link the younger children to the family. Christine, Isabella and Donald at least should still be with Alexander and Rachel
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I have thought the same it would have to be a man to keep a girl away from her family lol
there are two family story that have been passed down one is that Rachel's last name was already mc innes although not related the other she was a distant cousin
the other is margaret died on the way over to Australia or she stayed in Scotland but no other reason was given
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the family notes I have states that the moved to Edinburgh because of the poverty in Skye and saved for their fair.
The ship passenger list has them all except Maggie ???
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If they only arrived in Australia in 1852 I would have expected them to be on the 1851 census - surely the journey from Scotland to Oz didn't take over a year by ship!!
Margaret may have married in Scotland and then emigrated with her husband later using her married name
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Sorry that should be 1853 ( must get new glasses ) ::)
left Plymouth 21st September 1853, arrived at Port Adelaide, South Australia 4th January 1854
Could be right about husband
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I got this info from my Auntie according to her grandmother she wasn't mentioned again ( Maggie that is )
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If she was to immigrate later wouldn't she go to where her family was ???
Duncan died in Binginwarri, Victoria, Australia on 3 February 1907 his daughter Isabella Annie was born 14 th July 1874 Wellington, SA, Australia
also Neil died in 1843 bugger
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Hello,
I see that you have a ? after Rachels name - it'd appear - according to the IGI that she was also a McInnes. The IGI has it as 'extracted which means that the actual image will be available for download from the ppv site www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk.
Regards, Steve :)
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Hi
I've just checked the English 1851 just in case as they sailed from Plymouth - zilch I'm afraid!!
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Hello Carole
thanks for trying
they did leave from Plymouth in 1853.
according to notes around that time (1850 's) they would be in Heast or on there way to Edinburgh to save for fare and then to Plymouth to wait for ship for how long ???????????? looks like they have just dissapeared for a few years :-\
also thanks Steve
Story has it that Rachel Mc Innes ? may have been a distant cousin from Harrapol
I went and had a look at www.scotlandspeopel.gov.uk but site seems to be down will try again later , I haven't used it before you have to pay to see anything is that right ???
thanks again
Jackie
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Yes Jackie - it's a ppv site - have sent you a pm. :O)
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Hello all
I'm sorry that the info I have given you may not be correct I have just found these shipping records at
http://www.scan.org.uk/_emigration/em_memberssearch.asp?Number=386 (hope it is OK to print that ) it states that they emigrated in 1862 the names match but birth years not correct out by 10 years on some.
The story of theire daughter Margaret being replaced by niece who's names is listed also as Margaret checks out.
Also the port of departure is left campletown went to Liverpool before sailing to Australia on the HERCULES ???
But
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/davidmalcolm1854.htm
States the details I have given you ???
mmmmmmmmmmmm will keep looking
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Hello Jackie
As promised, have attached here Alex and Rachels marriage entry for 1830. One of the briefest I've seen - a simple one line, no witnesses named or fathers names. Quality quite poor - but it is theirs. If you want the full page, please pm me your e-mail address.
Regards, Steve :O)
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Hello Steve
Thank you so much for getting that. What a shame there is no more info to add but I would still love a copy.
I have sent you a personal message with email address.
thanks again
regards
Jackie
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Hello
I have just received a email from
http://www.scan.org.uk/_emigration/em_memberssearch.asp?Number=386
They where good enough to send me a copy of the original records and they state that they left on the 26 th of December 1852 from campbeltown on the ship Hercules.
Sorry about the wrong info ??? got it from family ::)
Thanks again to everyone who tried to help
Regards
Jackie
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Hello again Jackie
Think I've found the family on the 1851 census - minus Alexander - and a further 2 children born since the '41 census. Have searched for Alexander as that + Alex/Alexr and both Mc and Mac. Only 2 hits come up for an age 35 to 45 and I'm sure neither is your man.
Used the www.freecen.org.uk site - still in Heast
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MCINNES Rachael Wife M F 42 Crofters Wife 4 Acres Inverness-shire - Strath
MCINNES Niel Son U M 18 Crofters Son Inverness-shire - Strath
MCINNES Catharine Dau - F 16 Crofters Dau Inverness-shire - Strath
MCINNES Duncan Son - M 14 Inverness-shire - Strath
MCINNES Chirsty Dau - F 11 Inverness-shire - Strath
MCINNES Isabella Dau - F 5 Inverness-shire - Strath
MCINNES Donald Son - M 3 Inverness-shire - Strath
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Hi Jackie
Re: that link above
http://www.scan.org.uk/_emigration/em_memberssearch.asp?Number=386
I am just listing the details shown purely for info purposes.
Departure date 26.12.1852 from Campbeltown
All s/name McInnes and all from Heaste (Lord McDonalds Estate)
I have put the birthyears shown on the document in brackets - somebody certainly couldn't do their subraction back in 1852!!
ALEXANDER aged 43 (1819)
RACHEL aged 43 (1819)
NEIL 20 (1842)
CATHERINE 18 (1844)
DUNCAN 16 (1846)
CHRISTY 14 (1848)
ISABELLA 6 (1856)
DONALD 4 (1858)
MARGARET 18 (1844) - this entry is shown separately from the main family's entry. Poor Margaret died 13 Feb 1853
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Hello Carole
yes your right must have been terrible, in my note they where suppose to settle in Queensland Australia but after getting to Adelaide and close to 12 months at sea decided they had enough ship life and settled there instead.
I have just got another email this time from the ships list
They have stated that they did emigrate on the Hercules 1852 but because of the typhoid some of the passenger where transfered to other ships one being the David Malcolm in 1853 I don't have anything in record form to confirm this yet but I think all the details are correct now , I hope fingers crossed ;D
http://www.theshipslist.com/accounts/hies_hercules.htm#
regards Jackie
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Hi Jackie
12 months at sea - it doesn't even bear thinking about. I wonder if Margaret died of Typhoid
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Hello Carole
From family records it looks like she did and was buried at sea poor thing hoping to start a new life and :'(
I would love to find out a bit more of the story of how she came to take the other Margret's place and was it at man that kept the other in England or Scotland and where did she end up ??? there is a bit of a story there maybe
regards
Jackie
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Hello Steve
thanks you for finding 1841 census I wonder where Alexander is ???
he was a Monumental Mason maybe he was away working or he went ahead to Edinburgh before emigration ???
Also Margaret isn't listed either I wonder if she was already married, she was 21 then, working or with Alexander ?
definitely a bit more searching required
thanks again
Jackie
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Hello
could I possible trouble someone to please have a look for anything on a
Donald Mc Innes or MacIness ???
Daughter Margaret born 1835 possibly Aird Sleat died 13 Feb 1853 at sea on the David Malcolm
son Neil born possible or lived Kylerhea
his wife possibly Rachel ???? possibly MacInnes ???
his brother in law was Donald MacInnes, Harrapool, Strath too very confusing
Not sure which one they are related to Alexander or Rachel because of the same last name ???
He is Margaret that died father.
thankyou
regards
Jackie
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A good researcher in Victoria Australia tracked into this family a few years ago. From memory she came to the conclusion that the father of Margaret who embarked on the Hercules with Alexander and Rachel McInnes was in Aird, & her grandparents were Malcolm McInnes/Annabella McPherson of Kylerhea in Sleat, Skye. Whether she found the Margaret who stayed behind I don't know, and I'm sorry, I don't remember many details, only that a women in ?glenelg? was somehow key to it all. If you email me at rosmci at gmail dot com I will send you Irene's contact details. Sorry about writing my email address in words, trying to dodge spammers). Can tell you Alexander lived at #10 Heast. His parents Malcolm McInnes/Margaret Buchanan. He and his brother took over the croft in the 1840s. Rachel came from Harrapool. Rachel died at Wellington SA in 1865. One of her daughters remained in SA with her family at Tungkillo but I think the others went to Victoria when Alexander remarried at the age of 70.
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Hi Jackie,
Yes it is very confusing. Margaret who jumped overboard (very, very sad) was Rachel's sister daughter (in other words Rachel's niece). So the story about a relative taking her daughter's place is correct and something I didn't know.
Donald McInnes and Christy McInnes had three children Niel, Margaret and Myles. Christy died and Margaret went to her grandmother (Christy) and unmarried uncle Donald. Niel went to an uncle (Malcolm) according to the census but his death and the father Donald's death certificates give different fathers so I am not totally sure Malcolm with whom Niel lived was actually his uncle (brother of his father Donald).
Donald remarried and kept son Myles and had another family.
Meg.
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Hello meg
Glade to help and yes your right very confusing ???
you wouldn't happened to know what came of Rachel and Alexander McInnes daughter Margaret ( Maggie) ? by any chance it is driving me mad would appreciate any help :-\
Jackie
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Do you know the ship they were on to Australia?
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The "H.M.S. HERCULES"
MacINNES ALEXANDER 43 HEAST LORD MacDONALD
386 RACHEÞ 43
NEIL 20
CATHERINE 18
DUNCAN 16
CHRISTY 14
ISABELLA 6
DONALD 4
MARGARET 18 Died 13-2-1853
Alexander accustomed to work in the south. Left his work six months ago to emigrate. Family has no appearance of want.Died 13 Feb 1853 Margaret MacInnes 18 from Strath, Skye. MrAlexander McInnes and his family are her nearest relations on board. In Skye, Donald MacInnes, Aird Sleat, her father. Neil MacInnes, Kylerhea, her brother, and Donald MacInnes, Harrapool, Strath, her uncle, are her nearest relations.
Family arrived in S.A. on "David Malcolm". P/N £19-10-6
Hope this helps.
Meg.
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I thinkI had pondered over this same puzzle several years ago. Rosanne McInnes in Australia may know of Margaret from Alexander / Rachel family and whereabouts - stayed behind. Have you checked with Maggie at Clan Donald Centre Armadale Skye?
I will check my material. The 18 year old Margaret I assume died Queenstown Ireland of typhus .
There was another Margaret McInnes (related) acting as a matron on Hercules who either contracted typhus or went mad with the troubles and jumped overborad in Queenstown harbour and drowned, no doubt weighed down by her skirts. That was the story I was told. I don't have a family tree programme just a lot of old notes and a failing memory that I was using to put together a family story and I tend to go a bit round in circles.
Maybe you could help me, (or anyone else out there). Do you have any material on Alexander and Rachel and who their parents were by any chance. For all interested how many of the Strath / Sleat McInnes's has anyone linked and recorded including other connections with / Nicholson / McLure / Buchanan / McKenzie / McPherson / Anderson / McLeod / McAlister / Robertson / McKinnon / McLennan etc? Regards Clint
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Hi Clint,
Yes, I do but my main computer refused to start last week so I will get back to you on that :-[.
Am sure Rachel's family is related to my McInnes family but no records that far back to prove it.
Cheers,
Meg.
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Hello Clint and Meg
I will try and answer all your questions it has been awhile since I have been this side of my tree so bare with me
Alexander McInnes parents where Malcolm McInnes and Margaret Buchanan
Rachel McInnes parents Duncan or Malcolm McInnes and Annabella McPherson ( on Rachel's death it has Duncan as father but others believe it is Malcolm ???)
the story of Maggie jumping of the ship with typhus has been linked to both Maggie Rachel's niece and the other Margaret you have mentioned who was a acting as a matron on Hercules unfortunately I haven't been able to prove which one it was or was it true for both of them
I have been in touch with Roseanne McInnes and Irene another McIness researcher they to have no idea what happened to Maggie ( Rachel and Alexander daughter ) but one of them suggested getting in touch with a lady in Geelong Australia who may have some answers I haven't been able to find her yet
I have since been told that Maggie was in Queensland ( where the family should have arrived at but instead after such a horrible trip over here landed in Adelaide South Australia )
There is also supposed to be some letters from her living in Queensland to confirm this
Also after Rachel died Alexander married the house keeper and had another 6 children one named Margaret Jane McInnes to complicated things more and add ?????? to why he would name another child the same name
Jackie
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Excellent stuff.. Do you have a list of all Alexander's brothers and sisters as my great great grandfather was one of them, namely Donald McInnes (m) Catherine McInnes (from Drumfearn). They were from Heast with Alexander's father's father (Donald) from Leitir Fura.
Malcolm and Margaret Buchanan's children I had pencilled in as defintely
1) Neil m) Christy McKinnon - lived #10 Heast
2) Meron (m) Peter McKinnon (Christy's brother)
3) Donald (b) 1801
Possible as
4) Christina (b) circa 1810
You have me all excited as it adds another couple of pieces to me hand drawn picture... Anything else appreciated. Regards Clint
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Hi,
Rachel's parents are Niel or Duncan McInnes and Christy.
Her known siblings are Donald, Christy and Martin. She had a bible with an inscription from Duncan but the croft records show Niel. I have researched Donald and found heaps on him but I can't locate his death in Scotland's People. He died between the 1881 census and the 1891 census probably in Glasgow. Once out of Skye he says he was born in Glasgow.
Martin was 40 to 44 a wine merchant and living with the family in 1841 - not sure he survived. Christy the mother of Margaret who jumped overboard was dead and her Donald father was re-married or close to it by 1841.
I really favoured Duncan for a long time but I think he must have been an older brother and he gave her the bible before she left for Australia.
There are too many Niels in the family to discount it and then there are the croft records - no Duncans.
I think there may have been a Margaret who married a John? McDonald but they seem to have only had the one child so I really can't put her in the family. There is a spare Mary in that area who married so she could be a sister but again no proof.
Sorry wish I knew more.
Meg.
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Sorry you have me a little confused... Correct me please.
1) Malcolm McInnes (m) Margaret Buchanan - had siblings Donald (1801), Neil, Meron - and Alexander (circa 1809) as you mention... (any others that you know of please?)
2) Malcolm McInnes ??? (m) Anabella McPherson - had sibling Rachel (circa 1809) - supposedly from Kylerhea
or was it Neil / Duncan McInnes (m) Christy who were Rachel parents???
Not to confuse things but I have Black John McInnes from Leitir Fura (brother of Donald McInnes who was father of Malcolm McInnes (m) Margaret Buchanan above), supposedly had a daughter Rachel, which would make Malcolm 1) and this Rachel McInnes cousins...Wonder whether that Rachel also had a daughter Rachel who married Alexander... am i tying myself in knots here ??????
A bit confused.... Clint
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I will have to look threw my notes but if I remember right there is a Mary who married a McInnes a migrated to Australia she was probably named after her grandmother Annabella's parents Malcolm McPherson and Mary McDonald
Rachels death certificate states that her Father was Duncan
the story of the bible I was told was it was from her father ???
Others have named Malcolm or Niel also spelt Neil as her father
there seems to be a lot of confusion with the McInnes and many different stories that seem to be changed to suit which is why I stopped working on this branch until I can give it my full concentration and try and get to the bottom of it all
As for Alexander the only other sibling I can mention but I don't have enough proof is a Rachel who married a Donald McInnes
Yes another McInnes marring a McInnes :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Jackie
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MacINNES DUNCAN 26 BREAKISH,
MARY 28 Mary died 1863, Duncan married Mary Kelly
CATHERINE 3 Died on Argyle
DONALD 1 Died 3-9-1853
(Duncan's only brothers were Myles, Malcolm, and John) (parents were Donald McInnes (m) Catherine McInnes dies of Cholera) (Donald's parents were Margaret Buchanan (m) Malcolm McInnes - Heaste) (Malcolm's father was Donald from Leitir Fura brother of Black John, Angus. Malcolm, Myles and we think Duncan)... refer below for Duncan and Mary to Australia.
Duncan & Mary arrived Vic on "Argyle"
MILES 18 Arrived Vic on Hercules
JOHN 15 Arrived Vic on Hercules
Rents a small croft, and has maintained his brothers, Miles and John, for the past 4 years, and who had employment in the south 6 months ago, but left to emigrate.
P/N £14-15-8, No 383,
Duncan McInnes (m) Mary ??
Mary 22nd Nov 1863 (37) - parents Malcolm & Annabella McPherson (McInnes) – buried Meredith Cemetery
• Catharine - Died on Argyle (3)
• Donald - Died 3rd Sept 1853 (1)
Duncan McInnes (m) Mary Kelly
Duncan (d) 22nd Sept 1909 (81)
buried Meredith Cemetery
Mary (d) 8th Dec 1909 (79) – Peter & Catharine Kelly was father / mother.
all buried Meredith Cemetery
• Mary Ann (d) 8th Nov 1868 (2)
buried Meredith Cemetery
• Mary (d) 11th July 1891 (30)
buried Meredith Cemetery
• Christina (d) 9th May 1894 (26)
buried Meredith Cemetery
1910 - Parish of Cargerie, County Grant, Geelong District
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Malcolm McInnes (m) Margaret Buchanan - had siblings Donald (1801), Neil, Meron - and Alexander 1811
Malcolm McInnes (m) Anabella McPherson - had sibling Rachel 1810 born Strath Inverness,
confusing is not the word for it with McInnes marrying McInnes ;D ??? :-\ :-\ :-\ :'( :'(:'(
Jackie
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That all looks right ;)
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Might look right but it isn't. Niel (son of Christy McInnes who was sister of Rachel and her husband Donald McInnes) was suposed to be nephew of Malcolm and Annabella.
The Clan McDonald people said that Malcolm must have been brother of Donald )his father) so they tracked his death (he died out of Skye) but he had a different father to Malcolm so they said the nephew bit was wrong.
So if Malcolm was really a brother of Rachel then his death certificate was wrong as I think it said his father was Angus - need to access my computer which I can't for that information. Sorry I can't remember who Donald's parents were but will pass it on when I find it.
There is no way Rachel's death certificate says who her father was as she died in Sth Aus and the certificates do not list parents. The reason we have her husband's is that he re-married in Victoria.
Yes I tend to think the bible was important but out here and a bit on Skye the eldest brother did sort of look out for his sisters and was often the witness at their wedding so the brother bit could be correct and it was just assumed it was her father. I certainly hope it wasn't an uncle because that would it impossible to track down.
Either way Christy aged 71 in 1851 lived with her son Donald and Margaret 18 who was the daughter of Christy who was dead on a croft where the records show Niel McInnes paid rent. Donald was the head and Margaret was listed as his niece.
The other son Myles (Margaret's brother) lived with his father Donald and his second wife and Niel lived with his uncle Malcolm. Guess it is possible Malcolm's death ertificate had his father's name wrong.
It certainly is a puzzle.
Meg.
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Great fun isn't it... I get lost unless I draw little pictures for myself but getting old I am still a bit lost... So correct me if I am wrong with my thinking .... what you have is....
Christy McInnes (circa) 1780 - (Any idea of maiden name and husband..??? was it Angus???)
had son Donald who married another Christy who was a sister of Rachel. In 1851 he was head of house caring for niece Margaret 18 living with him? with wife Christy dead (he had remarried???)
Donald's son Neil was living close with an uncle Malcolm
Maol Caluim - Malcolm McInnes (who married Anabella McPherson) was or was not a brother of Donald McInnes ???? If he was it would make Christy (circa 1780) his mother ???? and was Angus the father ????
Was this one of the Angus's in Black John's family of:
Calum Mor - Malcolm the Elder c1765 (m) Flora McKinnon c 1772
Neil c 1766
Aonghus Mor (Angus the elder)
Myles c1769 (m) Marion McKenzie c1768
Calum Og - Malcolm the Younger - 2 sons evidently migrated Australia
John (Jonathon) (m) Isabella Anderson
Aongus Og (Angus the younger)
Hope I am not confusing just trying to understand.. Thanks Clint
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hello Meg
As I have said previously I stopped doing this branch until I can give it my full concentration I am at the moment working on my Fogden side who married Rachel and Alexander's son Duncan and is just as complicated. There is a lot of people doing this McInnes branch with a lot with different oppions and a times not being confirmed add that to the problem of McInnes marry McInnes is ridiculous
As for Rachels death I did put ???? and did not say it was correct but was trying to make the point that there is so much confusion as I too have been told about this Bible one story was that the Maggie that I am trying to find has something to do with it also that the Duncan was either Rachels her brother ????? or father ???? I was wondering if it was her son Duncan that was the informant as for South Australia not listing parents this is what I have found
Rachel Mcinnes
31 Mar 1865
Mulgundawa Nr Wellington
age 62
Birth abt 1803
Father Duncan Mcinnes
Residence Mulgundawa Nr Wellington
Registration Place Wellington, South Australia
Page 111
Volume 20
Also you have stated that Rachel and Christy parents are
" Rachel's parents are Niel or Duncan McInnes and Christy."
I have spoken to Rossanne McInnes and Irene who have both been research the McInnes for many many years and I was informed it was Malcolm McInnes (m) Anabella McPherson she also posted on this thread !!!
I have also been following all your Post
So I am completely confused
Would you mind explaining with prof if possible of who is correct :)
Jackie
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Hello Clint
Great fun !!!!!
gee this really is confusing
wonder if we need to call all experts on Rootschat and try and get to the bottom of this
Jackie
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Hi Clint
have you been in touch with Roseanne McInnes?
I see you have posted on another site asking her for info ??
Jackie
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Rossane has heaps of stuff and is a bit better at recording than me... I should have had a tree type programme on a computer but do not. Just losts of notes. Rosanne is a wealth of info.... I would love to get a disk of her or any others and try and get the lot together as there must be heaps now and Maggie at Clan Donald Centre must have a good part strapped together I would think. Unfortunately we are not that well off and I am no position to travel so just go in spurts now and again as the desire takes me.... The list of Black John's siblings came from a bible too I understand...
Keep posting bits and pieces and thoughts... Regards Clint
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hi Clint
I have personal message you
Jackie
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Hi Clint
I got your PM but it only quoted what I had written could you resend please :)
Jackie
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Hi Clint
just reading your PM looks like we are on right track for Alexander what you are saying is what I have been told threw my family
The problem seems to be with Rachels family I guess will have to wait until Meg gets back on line and maybe she will be able to help confirm thing or should we also send Rosanne another email and see what she thinks ??? Did Rosanne tell you who her parents where? I have a heap of emails from her Im sure that she said it was Malcolm McInnes (m) Anabella McPherson but Meg seems to think different ??????????????????
I haven't got time today to go threw them but will try to asap
Also wonder whether Rachel should be posted separate and hopefully some Rootschat experts could help us solve this with proof
Jackie
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Hi,
I am not sure where to start but here goes. (Rosanne is doing other stuff. She moved and I haven't heard from her for ages.)
Christy someone born about 1779/80 married Niel (according to the croft records for the croft they were on in 1851) and had Martin 1800? who was a wine merchant, Christy b?, Rachel about 1808 and Donald about 1814/15 (he either born Skye or Glasgow).
Christy (the daughter) married Donald McInnes and had Niel, Margaret (who jumped overboard) and Miles. Can't remember which order the first two are but they are registered but Miles isn't. Christy died and Donald re-married and kept his son Miles and had more children and died outside Inverness. Margaret went to her mother's family to live and Niel went to live with his uncle Malcolm (if you believe the census entry). I know Rosanne said that Malcolm had lots of nieces and nephews with him at different times. Perhaps he was really nice or perhaps he used them a cheap labour.
Rachel married Alexander McInnes and Mrs Rachel McInnes was Margaret's nearest relation on the ship when she died. Rachel has to be her aunt. (It says Mrs.)
Donald the one born in 1815 married Margaret can't remember her surname and had lots of children but he had a son Niel fairly early on. He moved to Selkirk and Roxburgh and one of his sons was Ronald Martin McInnes I guess after his brother Martin (his wife had a brother Ronald).
When Donald's father died he was the only one living at home so he was listed as the head of the house.
So if Rachel had a bible from a Duncan McInnes then I suggest there is a Duncan in that family as well.
Can't give you anymore about them.
There were several Niels on the croft records in Harripool.
Meg.
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Hi Clint and Meg
I have just been having a quick look at all the emails I received from Roseanne and Irene and think I have worked out how I got confused ( yes old age is setting in ;D) I think what has happed is Rosanne posted on this thread post 28 and said that Rachel's parents where Malcolm McInnes (m) Anabella McPherson ( I still dont no at this stage if they are part of the family or not ) I entered that info to my tree and must not have corrected it, as I have said previously I had only just stared doing my tree and did not have much experience and decided to leave that part and work on the other members of the family I did no about,
So Clint,
Meg is right my apologies Meg :)
So Meg what do you think about the death certificate it would help confirm the Duncan from the bible ???
Also I am confused on why you think south Australian Death cert don't have parents as I have a number of Alexander and Rachel's children who died in South Australia with either one or both parents listed ??????
regards
Jackie
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Hello Meg
thank you for the explanation I do remember now
I have sent you PM
Jackie
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Hello we are new to the forum but are very interested to your chats and the connections we have - I am the great great grandson of Alexander and Alice McInnes (nee Jenner) from Meningie South Australia, their daughter Margaret Jane 10th Jan 1881 (twin of Malcolm) is my great grandmother. My grandmother Doreen Eva Tischer (nee Holmes), do you have any information on Alexander and his respective families did at Wellington and later Meningie SA. look forward to a reply regards ::)
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Hi,
Was drawn to the topic with surname as I have similar but from South Uist. Anyway, no surprise re mix-up, with the grand total of about 5 forenames to choose from in those days :D I have similar, 3 Donalds, 2 with different middle names, all brothers, not MacInnes though!!!!
Anyway, enjoyed the read and just a thought (yes, a thought) :-
The fact that "Maggie" seems to have been shunned/banished - was she possibly the outcome of extra curricular activity?? :-X
Regards,
Anne
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Hello Anne - thank you for the reply Alexander McInnes from Meningie South Aus second marriage to my gggrandmother Alice neeJenner we are her line and live in the Adelaide Hills not too far from Meningie we they lived and raised 6 of seven children one set of twins. kind regards
Kevin and Roslyn
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hi Kevin and Roslyn
good to hear from you Rachel and Alexander are my third great grandparents, I have some info on the family
looking forward to hearing more from you both
Jackie
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Hello Jackie - thank you for your reply - and nice to hear we have some connection - as you know stories are passed on through families but seeing as we are from Alexanders second marriage we don't know much about Alexander and the Mcinnes family so it would be good to exchange information with you Jackie. ie his occupation, life stories etc, look forward to your reply
kind regards
Kevin & Roslyn
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Hi,
I am the great grandson of Isabella MacInnes. She was the daughter of Alexander and Rachel MacInnes.
Isabella married Ronald MacDonald, who along with his father(ArchibaldD1854) and siblings, came out on the Hercules in 1854 to Adelaide.
I have seen a marriage entry for Rachel and Alexander listing her as being from "Harripool" or "Harrapool".
Cheers,
Alan MacDonald.
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Hello Allan - thank you for your information and nice to hear from you - I am from Alexanders second marriage to Alice Jenner - but we are still linked by Alexander he like you my great great grandfather - we have little or no information about him so unfortunately there is not much i can tell you as my maternal side also has left behind little or no information to. My family and I live in the Adelaide Hills which is not far from Meningie were Alexander and Rachel settled and raised there family, and where he met! Alice Jenner and married after Rachel's passing. It is interesting discovering the Scottish side of the family I didn't know about that before - but have done a lot of researching for my wife's family as they are Cameron's. hope all is well with you and your family and would like to exchange any information as we can.
regards
Kevin & Roslyn
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Kevin,
Thanks.
Have a look at my ancestry.com tree"MacDonald". I have a few photos of Isabella.
Have you been in contact with Elizabeth Kraus, (great?) grandaughter of Catherine MacInnes?
She has done a lot of work on MacInnes/MacDonald.
Our Macdonalds are descended from the clan chiefs through James of Castle Camus.
Below is a link to the marriage record of Rachel and Alexander. at the bottom of the page.
http://mediasvc.ancestry.com/image/672409eb-9e65-4414-85d0-dd88a6a81736.jpg?Client=Trees&NamespaceID=1093&MaxSide=500 (http://mediasvc.ancestry.com/image/672409eb-9e65-4414-85d0-dd88a6a81736.jpg?Client=Trees&NamespaceID=1093&MaxSide=500)
Cheers,
Alan.
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Hello Alan - thank you the link wand information was very interesting - I think we have browsed your tree before - a lot of work put into it. We are still mystified with Alexander and Alice - do you know where Alexander is burried?
regards
Kevin
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Kevin,
no, but i will go on that mission next.
cheers,
Alan.
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Alan
Thank you, that could help us solve some questions maybe
regards
Kevin
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I reckon Alex and his daughter Catherine are buried at Robe cemetery.
Gravesecrets website list them there.
Cheers,
Alan
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Alan - thank you very much it a place to start looking
regards
Kevin
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Bill Clarke's meticulous transcripts of HIES passenger lists are at this URL:
http://www.angelfire.com/ns/bkeddy/HIES/hercules3.html.
It helps though doesn't clarify a lot. Alexander and Rachel were on the HMS Hercules. So was their niece Margaret. She drowned in Ireland.
MacINNES ALEXANDER 43 HEAST LORD MacDONALD
386 RACHEÞ 43
NEIL 20
CATHERINE 18
DUNCAN 16
CHRISTY 14
ISABELLA 6
DONALD 4
MARGARET 18 Died 13-2-1853
Alexander accustomed to work in the south. Left his work six months ago to emigrate. Family has no appearance of want.Died 13 Feb 1853 Margaret MacInnes 18 from Strath, Skye. MrAlexander McInnes and his family are her nearest relations on board. In Skye, Donald MacInnes, Aird Sleat, her father. Neil MacInnes, Kylerhea, her brother, and Donald MacInnes, Harrapool, Strath, her uncle, are her nearest relations.
Family arrived in S.A. on "David Malcolm". P/N £19-10-6
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Alexander McInnes buried at Robe was also on the Hercules. He was from Boreraig, married Maragaret McRae who died during the voyage, and joined his brother in law in what is now Naracoorte before the family settled at Crower station between Naracoorte and Robe. He had two daughters named Catherine, one married a Watson at Konetta. His only descendants (son John) have surname Murray.
Alexander McInnes from Heast who married Rachel McInnes of Harripool arrived in Adelaide and went to Wellington. Rachel died there in 1865. Alexander later married his housekeeper in Meningie and had a 2nd family. Most children in His first family went to Victoria. One daughter married an O'Dea at Tungkillo.
The two Alexanders were related. They had a younger common relative, John McInnes, who arrived in the late 1860s. John McInnes grew up in Boreraig and when about 10 moved to Heast Alexander's croft. His father took over Heast Alexander's ahre of the croft when Heast Alexander emigrated. When John emigrated, he joined Boreraig Alexander's sons in Australia.
As far as I know, noone has been able to work out exactly how any of them were related.
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Hello - thank you for the information - slow paces - we are trying to find out about Alexander and Rachel's employment as to have a housekeeper is interesting - we appreciate greatly all people who have input and thank you all - we will keep trying to gather more as we go along the so called journey, there is so many questions with little or no family members to ask
kind regards
Kevin & Roslyn Tischer