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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Renfrewshire => Topic started by: orkrad on Wednesday 01 July 09 04:10 BST (UK)
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HI there
Some of my relatives in the early censuses 1881 and 1891 have the addresses Hunters close, and Dardanelles close, Dockhead Street Port-Glasgow. Does anyone know where I can find an early map showing these locations? I wonder if by any chance photos of these places exist .
Thanks Orkrad.
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you might like this book ???
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Scotland.....Old-Port-Glasgow-in-Old-Photographs_W0QQitemZ310151870516QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090629?IMSfp=TL090629168003r23744
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Thanks. I already have this book. Someone gave it to me last year.It made interesting reading but I can't remember where I stored it! At the time when it was given to me I didn't know of the addresses I have recently found in the old censuses. I do remember it had pictures of Black Bull Close and a few other very dilapidated dwellings.
Regards Orkrad.
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Hi
You could have a look at this website about Port Glasgow. http://www.portglasgow4u.co.uk/oldphotos/index.html
My grannny was born and brought up in Dockhead Close which I think was probably near where Bay Street is now and I remember her taking about Hunters Close but can't think where it would be be. I have never heard of Dardanelles Close.
Mrs T
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Thanks for the website. I am wondering if an old map exists that would record these details. Any idea where I might try?
Regards Orkrad
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Hi
There's a great site at the National Library of Scotland which has many old maps etc - http://www.nls.uk/maps/towns/index.html
Or try - www.alangodfreymaps.co.uk - for a selection of old maps to buy.
Hope this helps.
Liz
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i have recently helped to write a book on the towns history dardanelles close was a building near to scarlow corner down at the waterfront the old map of 1856 available at the nls national library Scotland punch in old port Glasgow maps the book i helped to write is available on line at www.trustregeneration.org.UK and scroll down to newark to newark hope its of some help Robert(Rab)Kane
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Thank you Rab. I haven't been checking the site as often as I should and missed your reply.I have a copy of the book you mentioned and I find it uttterly fascinating.---a goldmine of information on old Port-Glasgow. My ancestors (according to the 1841 census )came from Ireland to "the Port "and their occupations are listed as flax dressers. I have been searching for years to find where they came from in Ireland but with no success. Do you have any information about flax weavers and dressers among your archives?. Do you think their occupation was tied to where they came from or did they just take what local jobs were available to them.? Any ideas or suggestions would be welcome
Regards Orkrad.
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my great grandfather also came from ireland and when he arrived he also started in the gourock ropeworks in the flax shed you either arrived and started in the mill or the shipyards if you want an interesting link for the old town map just put in your browser(port glasgow town plans nls) and you can even see where your grandad worked in the mill flax shed,if you send tell me your family i can do a little research for you good luck
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its a funny thing about the port they say everybody knows everybody else one of my mates is a guy called davie tolan ill be asking him a few questions on your behalf i also have another friend called geordie armstrong so you can imagine ,the new priest in st johns is father mcmahon his father used to be the maths teacher when i went to st stephens i know the father well ,the book we wrote about port glasgow is online now its under (trustregeneration)then find the port glasgow link which is 7 and a half john wood street they ran out in the first day http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.trustregeneration.org.uk%2Fpdf%2Fnewark.pdf&h=a7435 ill start to investigate your family a good link for your own detective work is www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk its great for everything scottish my name is robert kane (rab)port glasgow born and bred speak to you soon
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re my message the friend is geordie gorman armstrong is another history im working on speak to you soon
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im sending you a couple of photos of the old port the first one is ropework lane and the second is the corner of king street and church these were taken about 1890 it shows you the conditions of the time i have around 700 pics of old port glasgow i have collected overthe years im sure i have one of the dardanells building ill have a good look for it
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ive found the picture of the dardanells building also in the picture is the jubilee bar that stood at scarlow corner the dardanells building is the derelict three storey in the centre of the picture it used to have the best barbers in town in the shops underneath this picture was taken about 1930 shortly after the building was demolished
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Hi Kaney
nice pics :)
Elaine
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Nice photographs - I am always looking for old images of the town if you feel like sharing would love to hear from you ;)
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hello elaine never knew you were a browser im attaching a photo of the port station taken around 1960 it makes a great screensaver kaney
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THE DARDANELLS CLOSE IS IN THE CENTRE OF THE FIRST PHOTO IT WAS DEMOLISHED IN THE THIRTIES RAB
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Hi everyone,
I've just found a great on-line streetmap of Port Glasgow here:
http://sites.scran.ac.uk/townplans/port-glasgow.html
Rafter
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Thanks Rafter. Interesting site.
Orkrad
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A few of you seem to really know your Port Glasgow information!
Do any of you about the harbour masters? My ancestor was James Stewart and was a harbour master in the early/mid 1800s. All I know is that he was a pilot in Port Glasgow in 1811 and his daughter's death cert says he was a harbour master - he must have moved up after 1811.
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Dardanelles Close , Port Glasgow
RAB thanks so much posting so much information and fotos from old Port Glasgow, I also downloaded your book. Such a wealth of information! My Irish ancestors also lived in Dardanelles Close, The McCormick, Mc Sloy, Carey, McGlynn families were all my ancestors, many of them were married in St John the Baptist church there in Port Glasgow. I contacted Father McMahon to see if any McCormicks are still in the parish but hadnt heard from him in over a year. Do you know of families with these names today? I have to think I still have relatives alive in Port Glasgow today. I want to visit Port Glasgow in 2011 and visit the local cemetery where I hope I can find my ancestors. Is there a specific cemetery where members of St Johns were buried? Thanks again!
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Hi milkymc
first there are still a lot of McCormicks in the Inverclyde area
if you are looking to contact some of them the best way to do this
would be to put a bit in the Greenock telegraph with some of the details that
you know about your ancestors,
asking for anyone connected to your family to contact you
secondly
your family would probably be buried in the Port Glasgow Cemetery
if they still lived in the area
to find out you could contact
Inverclyde burial department (if you google you will get their email address)
if you know exactly when they died they should be able to tell you
which cemetery they were buried in
Good Luck :)
Elaine
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Elaine thanks so much! What an excellent idea !
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miky my ancestors were mc cormicks ,my grandfather was hugh mc cormick and his wife matillda ,they lived in the old toll house on the glasgow road,he was the head of the cleansing dept i have photographs of the house ,also a photo of his grave that i have just recently found. and a census done at the time ,if you send me your e mail i will forward them on to you
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Dardanelles Close, Hunter's Close and Dockhead Close all were in the area bounded by Customhouse Lane, Ropework Lane and Barr's Braefoot. They are not named on the 1855 or 1897 maps, probably too narrow. See the preambles to Books 6 and 7 of the 1891 census. The jury's still out on Dardanelles and Dockhead, but Hunter's Close ran off Ropework Lane.
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Further to my last .... Hunter's Close probably didn't come off Ropework Lane, only off Dockhead Street. The opening was where John Wood Street joins present day Fore Street, about in the middle of JW street. In the town, the present openings named Customhouse Lane are not too far away from where the ends of the actual lane were. Dockhead Close ran off Dockhead Street parallel to Customhouse Lane, from about where the Post Office is. It turned at right angles and opened into Customhouse Lane about halfway along. Dardanelles Close went off Dockhead Street a few yards further along from Dockhead Close, near where the corner of John Wood Street is, and zig-zagged back a good way. John Wood Street covers most of it and Hunter's Close. Wood Lane, if anyone's looking for it, came off Customhouse Lane just along from the Dockhead Close opening, and ran to King Street.
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Hi,
I had a look for the book mentioned in post #12 but the website seems to be under repair.
My Port Glasgow interest is the Milliken family, the West Quay and the buildings that once stood there. The artist's impression below is dated 1768 and shows the quay before the new customs house was built, reputedly in 1754 to replace the one at the foot of Customhouse Lane, or C'lector's Close as it was also known. It seems probable that the artist, R Paul, completed his painting from an earlier sketch, or is it just artistic licence? It certainly looks as if the building at the left (on Scarlow corner) was partly demolished to provide a space for a new building. There is also a record that Hugh Milliken sold a house to Josiah Corthine, officer of customs, in 1751 and also an area of ground on which to burn "damnified tobacco." The house to the right was occupied by three Milliken sisters until about 1845.
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There's no subsitute for looking before leaping, and now that I've looked I have to correct my last re Dockhead Close, etc. Dockhead Close ran from somewhere about Louis' Chip Shop - not the Post Office - and Dardanelles Close between Louis' and John Wood Street.
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to keyboard 86-re dardanelles close +Devlin-GALLACHERSas you mentioned that twins were born to the family-I see that as I go on James is no longer mentioned-?if you get any more info would be really grateful for you help-scaredy cat
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Dardanelles Close , Port Glasgow
RAB thanks so much posting so much information and fotos from old Port Glasgow, I also downloaded your book. Such a wealth of information! My Irish ancestors also lived in Dardanelles Close, The McCormick, Mc Sloy, Carey, McGlynn families were all my ancestors, many of them were married in St John the Baptist church there in Port Glasgow. I contacted Father McMahon to see if any McCormicks are still in the parish but hadnt heard from him in over a year. Do you know of families with these names today? I have to think I still have relatives alive in Port Glasgow today. I want to visit Port Glasgow in 2011 and visit the local cemetery where I hope I can find my ancestors. Is there a specific cemetery where members of St Johns were buried? Thanks again!
Hello I know this is a reply to an old post but I thought I would give it a try! I think you and I may both be descended from James McCormick and Elizabeth Kerry or Carey. I have been researching the McCormicks for a while so perhaps we could share some info?
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Hi Kaney
I know this is a reply to an old post but thought I would give it a try anyway! I am descended from James McCormick who was a brother of Hugh McCormick. I also know a bit about another brother Michael McCormick but didn't know about Hugh's existence until quite recently. I would love to see your photos if you wouldn't mind sharing.
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Hi,
I also have connections to Dardanelles Close (20&22), Dockhead Street, which is on the marriage of my GGGrandfather John McBRIARTY who married Marey CAREY at St John's in 1870. She was a flax mill worker on 1871 census. Her father was a Patrick KERRY(CAREY) and mother was Mary. The witnesses at their wedding were Hugh & Anne McCORMICK!!! Small world eh?? Regards Lynda :)
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Hello I am descended from the Slater family who lived in Port Glasgow. I am fascinated about one relative who sadly was discovered drowned in the Clyde in 1873 near West Quay. She I believe worked at Gourocks Ropeworks and lived in Gillespies Lane. Does anyone have any old photos of Gillespies Lane. I also cannot find the death of her father Alexander Slater who worked for HM Customs. He was born in 1788 in Kilmalcolm and is not present on the 1841 census for Port Glasgow when his wife and children are. I am quite taken with Port Glasgow and long to visit. Would be good to hear from anyone else with information about the ropeworks or the customs job done by my GGGGG - Grandfather. :D
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Just found this my 2nd great grandad fighting with his wife's brother in the Dardanelles close in 1902 from the PortGlasgow express .
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i have recently helped to write a book on the towns history dardanelles close was a building near to scarlow corner down at the waterfront the old map of 1856 available at the nls national library Scotland punch in old port Glasgow maps the book i helped to write is available on line at www.trustregeneration.org.UK and scroll down to newark to newark hope its of some help Robert(Rab)Kane
Mate just wondering if you can help get any info on a picture in that book .The blackbull close picture .My ancestors moved there from Ireland and im just wondering if there is anyway to find out if they are in it .