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Title: Can't find St Cath's death refs completed Thanks
Post by: CU on Friday 14 August 09 13:27 BST (UK): I am trying to find two St Cath's death refs so I can order the certificates.
I am trying to trace a couple. I have the following information

John Thomas born 1814
Wife Jane Thomas born 1821

I have them living in Pentyrch on the 1851, 1861, 1871 and 1881.
I looked for them on the 1891 census but couldn't find them. When I looked at St Cath index (Free BMD)
I could not find a death to match their age or place of death. I hope/think that Pentyrch came under Cardiff district?

Any help in find them would be Wonderful. Thank you
Title: Re: Can't find St Cath's death refs
Post by: danuslave on Friday 14 August 09 15:23 BST (UK): I don't think you will find them. National registration only started in 1837. Before that it was only in Parish Registers. Some of these have been transcribed but I think it's very patchy.

I suggest you change the title of this post to something like

Parish Register Lookup required

and also give as much information about the people concerned as you can. Or close this thread and start again!

I've just read another post with a useful link to a web site about certificates - it might come in handy :D :D

http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/indexbd.htm

Linda
Title: Re: Can't find St Cath's death refs
Post by: Necromancer on Friday 14 August 09 15:34 BST (UK): Quote
When I looked at St Cath index (Free BMD)

FreeBMD is organised by Registration District - and as you say, Pentyrch was included in the Cardiff Regn District until c1934.

So are you saying you cant see them - use the '@nnnn-nnn' option for a Death search - where the 'nnnn-nnnn' spans a few years around their known Birth Year - this will filter down a possibly large list (given the names involved) ...

If however, you know that they will be recorded in St Cath's Parish registers, that will help link to a GRO index entry, which of course you need to order a Death Cert :)
Title: Re: Can't find St Cath's death refs
Post by: Necromancer on Friday 14 August 09 15:35 BST (UK): Quote
I don't think you will find them. National registration only started in 1837
.

But its shown that they were alive in the 1881 census !
Title: Re: Can't find St Cath's death refs
Post by: Necromancer on Friday 14 August 09 15:40 BST (UK): example search for John:-

Surname: Thomas First name(s): John
Start date: Mar 1881 End date: Dec 1901 Age at Death: @1812-1816
District: Cardiff (1837-1974)

Deaths Mar 1888

THOMAS John 74 Cardiff vol 11a page 179

Deaths Mar 1889

Thomas John 6[86] Cardiff 11a 234

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Deaths Dec 1889

Thomas John 74 Cardiff 11a 165

Deaths Jun 1891

Thomas John 77 Cardiff 11a 25[65]
Thomas John 76 Cardiff 11a 236

Deaths Jun 1900

Thomas John 87 Cardiff v11a p171
Title: Re: Can't find St Cath's death refs
Post by: CU on Friday 14 August 09 15:51 BST (UK): Thank you Past Master. will do as you advised.

I only have to search 1881 to 1891 ;D

Thanks Linda, I have their Bapt and their marriage just looking for the deaths certificates now
Title: Re: Can't find St Cath's death refs
Post by: danuslave on Saturday 15 August 09 00:18 BST (UK): Oooops - misread the first post. Thought you were looking for birth certificates. Silly me :D :D
Title: Re: Can't find St Cath's death refs
Post by: CU on Saturday 15 August 09 07:25 BST (UK): Don't worry Linda I do it all the time ;D
Title: Re: Can't find St Cath's death refs
Post by: john ritchie on Saturday 15 August 09 08:51 BST (UK): Hi JANE THOMAS death 11a 170 cardiff ,b1821 age73yrs .
jane thomas death 11a 174 b1821 74yrs
Glamorgan Cardiff

yours helen
Title: Re: Can't find St Cath's death refs
Post by: CU on Saturday 15 August 09 10:27 BST (UK): Great Helen, what year please ;D
Title: Re: Can't find St Cath's death refs
Post by: Necromancer on Saturday 15 August 09 10:35 BST (UK): b1821 74yrs = 1895 :P
Title: Re: Can't find St Cath's death refs
Post by: CU on Saturday 15 August 09 10:37 BST (UK): Thanks Past Master but I don't know if it is her. I can't find

them on the 1891 census but will keep it on file.

Cheers
Title: Re: Can't find St Cath's death refs
Post by: john ritchie on Saturday 15 August 09 10:39 BST (UK): Quote from: CU on Saturday 15 August 09 10:27 BST (UK)
Great Helen, what year please ;D

Year 1894
Title: Re: Can't find St Cath's death refs
Post by: CU on Saturday 15 August 09 10:56 BST (UK): Thank you
Title: Re: Can't find St Cath's death refs
Post by: CU on Saturday 22 August 09 10:10 BST (UK): Found a St Cath ref for John Thomas in March Qtr 1888 aged 74. Many Thanks for everyone help with this.

I cannot find Jane Thomas death between 1881 -1891.

I have seen a ref to a Jane Thomas born 1821 Glamorgan on Find my Past 1891 Census, but not on Ancestry index.

Please can any one help? If it is her it should say

Jane Thomas born 1821 Llantwit Vardre. She was living in Pentyrch on the 1881 census.

Thank you
Title: Re: Can't find St Cath's death refs
Post by: john ritchie on Saturday 22 August 09 12:10 BST (UK): Hi Re St Cath records For Jane thomas innWales Their is Over 100 jane died in this area

all diffrent ages but they are still their

Best to buy John Thomas cert to find out if his wife is Died or Check cemetery for his grave and see how is buried with him and this will give you year of Jane Death

yours Helen
Title: Re: Can't find St Cath's death refs
Post by: CU on Saturday 22 August 09 13:40 BST (UK): Thank you Helen. I have already had the graveyard checked for a stone, but they do not have on.

I have got it down to 3 Jane Thomas now.

Jane would not show on John's death certificate unless she reported his death.

I have sent off for John certificate, hopefully the right one.
Title: Re: Can't find St Cath's death refs
Post by: john ritchie on Saturday 22 August 09 14:15 BST (UK): Hi ??????

Re Grave Search you go to cemetery office and ask them to do search for date of Death of John Thomas and you get ref no would also tell you who else was buried with him

At the time you are looking for you would have to be rich to have headstone

Did he die in Cardiff as the girls in this Office where great help also check the news papers for death notice

yours Helen
Title: Re: Can't find St Cath's death refs
Post by: CU on Saturday 22 August 09 14:44 BST (UK): I think he will be buried in Pentyrch parish church. His parents are there and so are some of his children.

The all have head stones.

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