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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Angus (Forfarshire) => Topic started by: sarahlb1981 on Thursday 27 August 09 12:31 BST (UK)
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Hi there. I was hoping someone might be able to help. I'm trying to find out any information about David Alexander born 1845 and died in 1927, married to Susan Mcleish in Angus I believe, I'd be very interested. Thanks very much.
Sarah
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Hi Sarah
Welcome to Rootschat !
Do you already have all this?
The IGI has a marriage (extracted):
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/search_IGI.asp&clear_form=true
Susan McLEISH and David ALEXANDER
24 Feb 1869, Kettins, Angus
And the birth (extracted) of a child to parents of those names:
William ALEXANDER
born 23 Dec 1869. Kingoldrum, Angus
The certificates for both these events can be downloaded for a fee from Scotland's People:
http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
The marriage certificate should hopefully tell you the names of the mother and father of David and of Susan.
Do you already have David & Susan on any Census' ?
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi! Wow that was fast, I didn't expect a reply. I have an old family tree that my great great aunt had done Marie Alexander, I think she became Marie Field. Anyway, I'm really new to this so have no idea what I'm doing!! I'll follow your link. Have you got an interest in these families? If so, let me know, I might have some info that might help you x
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Hi Sarah
You almost always be assured of a reply on Rootschat ;D ;D How lucky you are to have a heirloom such as gt Aunt Marie left you - that'll get you off to a grand start!
Though I do have a strong Scottish ancestry, I have no connection to this family at all, sorry, I'm just another Roostchat groupie ;D
If you don't have any Census records for the family, I can have a look for you - starting with the 1871 for David & Susan with son William?
Cheers
AMBLY
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I have been on the scottish people website and have got hold of the marriage certificate and found out that his Father was called Peter and mother margaret. I can hardly read it though. Thanks for your help. I'm trying to follow the Alexander's because my great grandfather started but stopped because he found out something terrible about a family member. Since then everyone has wondered what it is! Anyway I pnly started yesterday and now am totally addicted! x
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Hi Sarah
Very addictive - and it only gets more so better! ;D
If it helps: David - is his occupation is a Mole Catcher on the marriage? - according to the 1871 and 1881 Census was born in Bendochy Perthshire abt 1846.
In 1871 he is with what appears to be McLEISH family in-laws, in Kettins, Forfar while Susan is with son William at her brother's Alexander McLEISH in West Calder, West Lothian. In 1881, he and Susan and children are all together in Kettins
Are you able to make out mother Margaret's maiden name from the marriage cert?
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi, thanks for helping me! Did you get the info about David and Susan being separated from the census? I think the maiden name says Finlay. I think I've found out that David's Father was Peter and his Father was John, but I have John's marriage certificate from October 1794 and it doesn't have parents info on and again, it's hard to read!! Can't believe David was a Mole catcher, how glamourous my family are! May thats why my great grandfather didn't go back any further, maybe he was embarrassed! :D
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Hah! ;D I wonder if Gt-Grandad also found out BOTH sides of the family were Mole Catchers - I think Susan's brother Alexander was one aswell - that might really have tipped the cart! Still, I believe it was an important job on the estates, where the wee beasties could wreak havoc on the land. Hey, there was even a Guild of Molecatchers and it was a job often running in families, father to son:
Have a look at this fabulous website - you've got a rich occupational culture in the tree - beats an Ag Lab any day for glamour
http://www.guildofbritishmolecatchers.co.uk/molecatchers.htm
Yes, the info I quoted is from the Census.
And in 1851, David is with his parents and his mother is down under her maiden name, FINLAY - this was quite common to see in Scottish Census, as a woman's maiden name retained it's 'value' in a way quite unlike the English. Widows in Scotland often reverted to their maiden name, and their death/burial records will invariably be under both maiden & married name.
In 1871, David & Susan are in different locations - but each appears to be with members of her family. I wouldn't say they are separated as in marriage, just location - perhaps Susan is simply visiting her brother in the Lothians.
You can get the Census from SP too but it can be an expensive excercise! I'd recommend finding the census first from an alternate source which will give you a more sure leads into the image records in Scotland's People and invariably save you many pennies.
To have the fun of searching Census yourself, this well known & popular site usually offers a free trial period - but read all instructions carefully, so you know what's what - they'll ask for your card number at get go, and will charge you if you don't cancel before the free trial is up.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/06z5/
Alternatively, many public library's have a free edition of that site which you can access via the computers in the Library.
Other than that, Rootschatters will be happy to look for and transcribe Census for you - though ultimately the actual image from SP is, I think, best in long run.
You might be able to find some Census for free here, usually 1841 and sometimes 1851 (good Scotland coverage)
http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl
Civil Registration in Scotland didn't start until 1855, some 18 years later than England. Prior to 1855 you'll be lucky indeed to find any mention of parents on the old parish marriage records (not certificates). Reccomend a read the SP Help & FAQ section - very informative.
The IGI has very good coverage for Scotland - but NOT every birth or marriage is on there. Have you found Peter's death certificate after 1855, to establish his parents names (father John).
Cheers
AMBLY
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I will check out the death certificate, although I only have 3 credits left! Oh well, I'm more or less finding my way around the SP sight now, next time I'll know how to save some pennies! You are right though, this could become an expensive hobbie! I have a feeling that Peter's parents are John and Jane Fraser, and my mum mentioned that they had 8 children, apparently thats been written down somewhere. Do you know if there is a way I can find a list with mother, father and children? That might be another way of making sure who Peters parents are. Can't believe I'm descendant of Scottish Mole catchers! Brilliant ;D.
Thanks again for all your help. I'll check out those other links
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Hi again,
I have checked the birth certificate of Peter Alexander married to Margaret Findlay and there is nothing in the parents box, it said he died when he was about 70 in 1859 so no exact date there either. I have also checked the marriage records and still no joy. I was hoping maybe you could give me some advice about how to get his parents names. It's very frustrating! I think his parents are John Alexander and Jane Fraser but not 100%
On another subject do you subscribe to a website? For example once you have subscribes and you pay monthly do you know of you get free access to all of the records? I have already spent £12 in 2 days! Thanks for your help so far, I won't keep bugging you when I get stuck! :D
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Hi Sarah
Please, Keep asking when you get stuck! It's what Rootschat is all about ;D
Do you mean, you've downloaded Peter's 1859 death certificate and there is nothing on it about his parents?
Which marriage record have you checked?
Where do the names John ALEXANDER and Jane FRASER come from?
I subscribe to the website which you can reach by clicking:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/06z5/
Have sent you a PM with a few search idea for you ;)
But basically, I do recommend you establish your base of fact, proven by documentation and then branch out from there. Clues to identity and family come from all sorts of lateral searches. Gather everything you can on David & Susan and Peter and Margaret whom you know to be right - including all Census - you never know who they might be living with, next door etc etc which might help you securely identify past generations.
I suppose, the way to go is by taking each step on Gt Aunts tree and proving each claim made on it?
Memorial inscriptions, Burial records, childrens names, places of residence, occupations ;) - all have potential clues too - ask away on Rootschat for what you need each time - either someone will be able to help with the actual information or can point you in the right direction.
There are many many websites and organizations to assist your searching - but it's easier to reccomend based on a specific need, too many to mention otherwise - other than the obvious: IGI, FreeCen, A**ces**try, Newsgroups at Rootsweb (see below) etc etc. Not forgetting Google, either !!
These sites are free:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/
http://www.genuki.org.uk/
Rootsweb has been around since Internet genealogy took off. It is completely free - Ancestry bought the 'business' but the deal meant Ancestry keeps the site free and it's run separate to pay-for Ancestry proper
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi Sarah
per our PM's..... ;)
On the proviso, that David ALEXANDER son of Peter ALEXANDER and Margaret FINLAY, is definitely your line.....
David & Susan's 1869 marriage, established his parents as:
Peter ALEXANDER
Margaret FINLAY
Q: What was Peter's occupation on that certificate ? Ploughman or Farm Servant or similar? Grain Store Keeper?
Q: Does it state either of David's parents as deceased?
Q: Who were the witness to the marriage?
IGI MARRIAGE:
(Extracted) Peter ALEXANDER and Margaret FINLAY 22 Nov 1840, Blairgowrie, Perthshire
Q: did you download this marriage OPR? If so what did it say?
In keeping with Scottish practice, Blairgowrie is likely to be the bride's 'home' parish at the time of the marriage. [Sometimes you will see 2 marriage entries on the IGI for the same people, on the same or slightly different dates in the same year and in different parishes. This was also quite common - for eg: one will be a record of the Banns called in the grooms parish and the other, the Banns and actual marriage in the brides Parish]
In 1841, at address Couthe Hill, Bendochy, Perthshire
Peter ALEXANDER 20, Ag Lab and Margaret ALEXANDER 25
Both born Perthsire
No children - in keeping with them being newly married
(Note in the 1841 Census ages of those age 15+ were rounded down to the nearest multiple of 5 - so Margaret at least was probably nearer 29 or so in 1841)
In 1851, at Address Coutie, in Bendochy, Perthshire
Head: Peter ALEXANDER 30, b Nunclavin?? , Perthshire in abt 1821
Wife Margaret FINLAY 40, b Coupar Angus in abt 1811 - and three children, all born Coutie, Bendochy
Alexander ALEXANDER 8, David ALEXANDER 6 and Grace ALEXANDER 2 months
In 1861, at address West Bendochy, Bendochy, Perthshire
Peter ALEXANDER 38, b Kinclavin Perthsire
Wife: Margaret ALEXANDER 48, b Co. Angus and children:
David ALEXANDER 15 and Grace ALEXANDER 10
In 1871, at address Blairgowrie Road, Coupar Angus, Angus
Head: Peter ALEXANDER 50, Grain Store Keeper, b Kinchaven? Perthshire
Wife: Margaret ALEXANDER 60, b Coupar Angus
Dau: Grace ALEXANDER 20, Power Loom Weaver Linen, b Bendochy
(I don't think Jane McDONALD 56, Agt Out Door Worker , b Moulin, Perth lumped in with them in 1871 on A***ry is part of their household - she's on a different Househild Schedule number).
In 1881: Candlehouse Rd Private House (Queen St) - Coupar Angus, Angus
Head: Peter ALEXANDER 59, Labourer in Grain Store, b Kinclavin Perthshire,
Wife: Margaret F or ALEXANDER 67, b Coupar Angus
Dau: Grace A or BRYSON 30
Son-In-Law: John BRYSON 36, Labourer In Tan Work, b Kemback Fifeshire
Grandau: Margaret F BRYSON 6, b Coupar Angus
Grandson: John L BRYSON 5, b Coupar Angus
Grandau: Elizabeth C BRYSON 2, b Coupar Angus
Hang on - What was the certificate you have for 1859 with no parents on it ?
Hi again,
I have checked the birth certificate of Peter Alexander married to Margaret Findlay and there is nothing in the parents box, it said he died when he was about 70 in 1859 so no exact date there either. I have also checked the marriage records and still no joy. I was hoping maybe you could give me some advice about how to get his parents names. It's very frustrating! I think his parents are John Alexander and Jane Fraser but not 100%
IGI Birth (extracted):
Peter ALEXANDER b 8 Jun 1820, chr 18 Jun 1820 Kinclavin Perthsire
Parents: James ALEXANDER and Catherine McINTYRE
The IGI is not a complete record of events - but that birth 1820 looks promising - my only hesitation is, the names of the parents James and Catherine don't figure in the names of Peter & Margaret's children - the scottish naming pattern was very strong in Scotland; not all kept to it but it is generally thought of a big help with sorting out a family tree especially pre 1855.
Here is the Genuki pages on Perthsire parishes - you will see that Coupar Angus is part of Forfar and Perthshire
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/PER/parishes.html
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi! I've just got your message having just been on the Scottish p website and came to the same conclusion. There isn't any other options. It says says he was born 18/06/1820 ALEXANDER PETER JAMES ALEXANDER/CATHRINE MCINTYRE M Kinclaven /PERTH
Although on that website it says that he was born in 1823.
On the death cert, there just a blank where it should say his parents. On the OPR marriage it says they got married on the 22/11/1840. It says "Peter Alexander and Margaret Findlay both in this parish" (Blairgowrie). No other info at all. No mention of parents on any census either. I get the feeling he worked on the estates as a gardener?
Anyway, again thanks. I think we've got to the bottom of it. I'm now intrigued about Peter's parents. I think that'll be tomorrows job. Its now 3 am, so I am definitely going to bed!!
See you soon, Sarah x
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Hi Sarah
The lack of parents names and the like, is how it was pre 1855 Scotland - Sometimes, you'll get a mention of a father in an OPR marriage. And sometimes the notation b or s or w - for batchelor, spinter, widow. Sometimes at a baptism, the witness names can be of help.
Out of curiosity, when did Peter died? I see he was in the Census up to 1901 and in the Alms House then,
Ages on the Census can vary to a great or lesser degree - mistakes by the enumerator copying over the Householders schedules into his book, mis-hearing, vanity or propriety (often women ;D but not always and sometimes to disguise large age gaps between a couple), and so on.
The list of children to James ALEXANDER and Cathrine McINTYRE on the IGI do seem to fit in, too amd has echoes in the names of some of Peter's children.
IGI Marriage: James ALEXANDER and Catherine McINTYRE - 22 Nov 1807, Kinclavin, Perthshire
IGI has the following birth/christenings in Kinclavin to James ALEXANDER and Catherine McINTYRE
Robert 1809
Alexander 1811
John 1813
Thomas 1815
James 1818
Peter 1820
Stuart 1823
David 1824
William 1826
Noting, no girls! Maybe they had none - the boys are evenly spaced.
Beware though that some of the IGI extractions carried out by the LDS took only the male name, not the girls.
And some took only the girls and not the boys!
Yes, I must tear myself away too and go and do some ----------urgh ----------housework :P
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi Sarah
here's a couple of articles on how the IGI etc works - especially in regards to extracted versus submitted entries
http://www.mail-archive.com/lds-genealogy-l@rootsweb.com/msg02340.html
http://www.ancestor-search.info/SRC-IGI.htm
Cheers
AMBLY
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Thanks for the info. I've had another look at the death certificate and it's totally the wrong Peter! I've looked it up again, but have run out of credits...again so managed to get this
1 1900 ALEXANDER PETER M 76 ST ROLLOX GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/06 1589
2 1901 ALEXANDER PETER M 77 WOODSIDE ABERDEEN CITY/ABERDEEN 168/03 0115
This was a search from 1900 to 1940, there's no way he could have lived longer than that, but he must have lived to a respectable age, I hope it's in the genes!
I did find out that that Magaret Findlay was born in Newcastle. It says this on the Cencus Norhumberland, Westgate for 1881 and they were living there at this point, with a couple of their children and families, but then Peter must have gone back to Scotland on his own or they both went back but Margaret died, I need to find out when Margeret died and where.
See you later x
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I did find out that that Magaret Findlay was born in Newcastle. It says this on the Cencus Norhumberland, Westgate for 1881 and they were living there at this point, with a couple of their children and families, but then Peter must have gone back to Scotland on his own or they both went back but Margaret died, I need to find out when Margeret died and where.
Scrap that! There must be a link with my ancesters, but I'm not sure what it is yet. I'm getting very confused!! x
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Hi Sarah
Boy, you had me going there for a minute - I see the Westgate, Northumberland 1881 Census you found - the only similarity being names and ages, and born "Scotland" for Peter. Common names all round and I would guess nothing to connect to yours? As you've now seen, your Peter & Margaret are in Coupar ANgus in 1881, and your Margaret is consistent with her place of birth as Coupar Angus.
Re: Peter I would doubt either of the 2 you mention above are he. The 1900 certainley not as your Peter (I believe) is in Coupar Angus in 1901. I would also doubt that sometime between the 1901 Census and the end of that year, he shifted to Aberdeen and died - though conceding it is possible he may have gone, for example to be with one of his adult children who happened to be in Aberdeen).
1891: S? Persie Bothy - Kirkmichael, Persie, Perthshire
Head: Peter ALEXANDER 70, Cattleman, b Kinclavin, Perthshire
This is only one I can find that might be he.
Fits with Margaret having died and he moving into a job outside of where he had lived for years, in order to keep himself.
1901:Almshouse, Coupar Angus, Perthshire
Inmate of Almshouse: Peter ALEXANDER 78, Pauper formerly Gardener, b Kinclavin Perthsire
This is most likely he. The age discrepancy is not at all unusual, his details perhaps having been supplied incorrectly by the manager of the Almshouse. He would have gone into the Almshouse of his parish - ie: Coupar ANgus rather than a 'stranger' parish
So it seems Margaret may have died between 1881 and 1891, most likely in Coupar Angus (which is Perthshire County on SP)
And Peter died after 1901, most likely before 1921 and most likely in Coupar Angus, (again, Perthshire.) Once in the Almshouse it's highly unlikely he shifted far, it at all before he died (though as mentioned above, always the possibility he came out and went to one of his childrem wherever they lived)
Cheers
AMBLY
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Search for Death Index
(SP - the use of wildcard * in a search is invaluable)
MARGARET
Death - Perform Free Search:
Name: Marg* AL*EX*R
Other Surname: FIN* (this field is principally for using the maiden name of married women as a finding aid)
Between 1881 and 1891
Born 1811 +/- 5 years.
All Counties, All Districts
1 result.
Narrow it down by adjusting the above paremeters and performing a search on each new adjustment.
so getting to that 1 result with these fuller details, which I think will be her:
Margaret ALEXANDER , other surname FINDLAY
Died 1881 age 69, Birth Year according to age at death is 1812
County: Perthshire
District : Coupar Angus (despite the Census saying they were in Coupar Angus, Angus - it seems they were officially in Perthshire.
PETER
Death - Perform Free Search:
Name: Peter AL*EX*R
Between 1901 and 1921
Born 1820 +/- 5 years
County: Perthshire
All Districts
1 result.
Narrow it down by adjusting the above paremeters and performing a search on each new adjustment.
so getting to that 1 result with these fuller details:
Name: Peter ALEXANDER
Died 1909 age 82, Birth year according to age at death is 1827
County Perthsire
District: Coupar Angus
The age Peter is about 7 years out based on the average Census - this is not unusual in a death record, and doubly so if the deceased was in an institution. On balance, I think this will be him - but not as certain as I am for Margaret!
My trepidation is, if he died in the Almshouse, that they were informants of his death and knew nothing about his parents :'(
On the other hand for comaprison, to further stregnthen the 1909 death above as being he, there is not one in Angus that seems possible:
PETER
Death - Perform Free Search:
Name: Peter AL*EX*R
Between 1901 and 1921
Born 1820 +/- 5 years
County:Angus
All Districts
0 results.
Cheers
AMBLY
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Phew, it's complicated stuff. I'm glad you've cleared that up fpr me, I was started to drive myself bonkers. When it said on the census that Peter was an 'inmate' of Almshouse I thought I'd cracked the puzzle. My mum said that g. grandad stopped his search because of something terrible, possibly a murder. (The Alexander's have a reputation for being over dramatic though!) I shall add those dates to my ever growing tree and then hit the sack as we say, its now 1 am.
Next I'm going to look at Maggie Alexander (daughter of Susan Mcleish and David Alexander) and James Laird. My gg aunt wrote some notes next to their childrens names. They had 9 possibly 10 children. She wrote down that Sissie was an invalid (very pc) and ended up living with Maggie's Sister, Susan who was a spinter and that George did well and went to Canada.
Thanks for that tip by the way on SP I will try that in the morning. I do hope I get better at this, I seem to spend hours doing searches and not coming up with many results!! Maybe I shouldn't try and run before I can walk.
Thanks again! ;)
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In 1851, at Address Coutie, in Bendochy, Perthshire
Head: Peter ALEXANDER 30, b Nunclavin?? , Perthshire in abt 1821
Wife Margaret FINLAY 40, b Coupar Angus in abt 1811
The census was always taken in spring, usually early April. So someone whose age is given as 30, if the age is is correct, would have been born between early April of 1820 and the end of March 1821. As there are nine months of 1820 and only three months of 1821 in that period, the person is more likely to have been born in 1820 than in 1821.
Nunclavin and the various other versions of Peter's birthplace will be Kinclaven. The largest village in the parish of Kinclaven is Stanley, if you are looking for it on a map.
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Thanks, that makes sense.
I have a question not regarding the Alexanders. My grandmother has asked me to do some research on her parents. I did asked in the Lancashire forum, and the lady that helped was very helpful, and said I could get their parents from the marridge certificate...anyway, I didn't fancy paying £10 so i did some research on the cencus and this is what I know.
Its mainly my grandmother's mother Sarah Barker, born 1896 (in Flintshire or liverpool) I'm interested in. On the 1901 cencus I have found the family living in Toxteth Liverpool, the lead was a sister called sidnea (unusual name) and I know that they lived in Flintshire in Wales for a while which all corresponds nicely to my grandmothers knowledge of the family. Also Sarah Barker married Charles Morton in Toxteth parish. The thing is Sarah isn't living with the family, she must be somewhere else. My grandma mentioned that Sarah lived in Scotland for a while when she was a child. For the life of me I can't find her. I was hoping that maybe you might know why. Is it possible that she may have been missed off the cencus?
Sarah Barker, Born 1896, parents Robert J Barker and Mary A
Sister Sidnea Barker
Thanks, Sarah
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:o Blimey - the wonders of Google. I'm also doing some research into the McLeish family - Susan McLeish born 1842 at Kettins - daughter of William McLeish (born 1811) and Susan McNaughton (born 1806) is the sister of Alexander McLeish born 1846 (also a mole catcher I'm afraid) - my great grandfather.
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County: Perthshire
District : Coupar Angus (despite the Census saying they were in Coupar Angus, Angus - it seems they were officially in Perthshire.
Just a wee bit of clarification. Most of the parish of Coupar Angus is in the County of Perth aka Perthshire, but some of it is in the County of Angus aka Forfarshire. The census results usually state which county each part of a parish was in, but the registrations don't necessarily. So your result above is not inconsistent.
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Ahhh - that helps me too - I've been looking at old maps of Scotland to get an idea of places etc.
Sarah if you want a bit more background into the McLeish line I can add what I have so far:-
Susan McLeish was one of five children of William McLeish (born abt 1811) and Susan McNaughton (born abt 1803).
The children were:
Jane born 1838
William born 1839
Susan born 1842
Agnes born 1843
Alexander born 1846
The 1851 Census has them all living at Elmsley Cottage, Kettins in the County of Angus.
According to the 1861 and 1871 Censuses William was working away from home at Rathittet Mansion House in Kilmany, Fife - as a molecatcher - I lose track of him after this and don't know when he died.
His wife Susan stayed at Elmsley cottage with 2 of the children - Susan (aged 19) and Alexander (aged 14) for the 1861 Census but I cannot find her in the 1871 Census - so presume she died in the interim and by that stage the youngest of the children had left home and married.
The following is from a family tree my aunt compiled before she died (I don't know where she got her information) -
William's parents apparently were John McLeish (born 1765 in Little Dunkeld, Perthshire) and Agnes Gill (don't have a birth date)
and his siblings were:-
James born 1795; and
Isabel born 1802
John McLeish's parents were William McLeish and Jean Steel who were married on 8 January 1764 in Little Dunkheld.
Apparently there was a brother Alexander born 1769 but I don't know if there were more siblings.
This is as far back as I can go along this line, unfortunately.
If anyone can help me fill in the gaps it'd be wonderful.
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According to the 1861 and 1871 Censuses William was working away from home at Rathittet Mansion House in Kilmany, Fife
If you are ever looking for it again, it's Rathillet not Rathittet.
http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NO3520
http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NO3620
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Sorry, double posted.
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Ahhh - that helps me too - I've been looking at old maps of Scotland to get an idea of places etc.
Sarah if you want a bit more background into the McLeish line I can add what I have so far:-
Susan McLeish was one of five children of William McLeish (born abt 1811) and Susan McNaughton (born abt 1803).
The children were:
Jane born 1838
William born 1839
Susan born 1842
Agnes born 1843
Alexander born 1846
The 1851 Census has them all living at Elmsley Cottage, Kettins in the County of Angus.
According to the 1861 and 1871 Censuses William was working away from home at Rathittet Mansion House in Kilmany, Fife - as a molecatcher - I lose track of him after this and don't know when he died.
His wife Susan stayed at Elmsley cottage with 2 of the children - Susan (aged 19) and Alexander (aged 14) for the 1861 Census but I cannot find her in the 1871 Census - so presume she died in the interim and by that stage the youngest of the children had left home and married.
The following is from a family tree my aunt compiled before she died (I don't know where she got her information) -
William's parents apparently were John McLeish (born 1765 in Little Dunkeld, Perthshire) and Agnes Gill (don't have a birth date)
and his siblings were:-
James born 1795; and
Isabel born 1802
John McLeish's parents were William McLeish and Jean Steel who were married on 8 January 1764 in Little Dunkheld.
Apparently there was a brother Alexander born 1769 but I don't know if there were more siblings.
This is as far back as I can go along this line, unfortunately.
If anyone can help me fill in the gaps it'd be wonderful.
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My direct family is William McLeish and Susan McNaughton. I have a lot of information for you. From Heather
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Hi Ambly and Sarah. Did you know William McLeish married to Susan McNaughton. his father William McLeish married to Agnes Watson was also a Mole Catcher it is 5 years since you were catching up with one another. I hope we can catch up. Heather
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Hi Heather,
I am very sorry but Sarah's email notifications are no longer working :'( I have googled her details but sadly nothing has come up.
Regards
Sarah
Must have been a glitch thankfully :)
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Hi Heather,
Thanks for your message and I did get it. I would be very interested with any information you have. I have some info too.
Thanks Sarah :)
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Hi Heather,
Thanks for your message and I did get it. I would be very interested with any information you have. I have some info too.
Thanks Sarah :)
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Hi Sarah, I am so surprised to get your reply, I have never been on Rootschat before and not sure on how it works.
Are both Sarah's one and the same.? I also noticed a Robin McLeish was searching. I will get back to you for a chat I am very interested to hear what you have to say about the McLeish clan, I have never met up with anyone who is searching my McLeish family. This will be interesting. I am from Perth Western Australia came out as a $10 pounder in 1961,from Perth in Scotland. My mother was a McLeish. looking forward to hearing from you again Regards Heather. PS I am glad you get a notification when there is a reply
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Hoping to hear from you Sarah regarding the Mcleish family
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Just replied to this thread to see is Robinmcl emails are working.
Regards
Sarah :)