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Does anyone know if the Ebenezer Chapel ( Primitive Methodist) Halifax had its own burial ground in the 1890s? If so, where are the burial records now please? Are they available on fiche?
James Hargreaves b 1824 and his wife Ann b 1822 died in the Crossley Almshouses in mid 1890s and their burial place is unknown to me. They seem to have had links with the Ebenezer Chapel ( Primitive Methodist) Halifax and I wonder if that is not the obvious starting point for locating their graves.
Any help, suggestions, guidance much appreciated..
Thank you,
charlotte
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Hi Charlotte
Here is a little info on the Chapel. It was build in 1822. There was a small burial ground in the front of the Chapel but was removed for road widening in 1905.
regards
em
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Thanks em for that info.
So that means the local authorities came in and, if they did as happened in Accrington Lancs, exhumed those buried there and had them cremated and that was the end of that.
What you have said also means, by implication, that there should be church records of the burials- and my couple come within the time the burial ground was there.
charlotte
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Hi Charlotte,
Have a look at the West Yorkshire Archives catalogue at this link for all the Non Conformist registers.
Choose Family History and then collections /user guides. :)
http://www.archives.wyjs.org.uk/index.asp?pg=ablocw.html
I can't see the one you are after though :(
Guess you've tried Stoney Royd Cemetery? :-\
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Hi
I have the non conformist cat of chapels
Ebenezer on micro 1828-1837 baps and nothing else at calder dale archives WYAS no burials. or marriages
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found this in WYAS in their online search!
Calderdale GB 203
Catalogue reference number help TS/EB
Extent help 0.01/1 item
Title help EBENEZER METHODIST CHURCH, HALIFAX, TOMBSTONE SCHEDULE.
Date help 18th-19th century
Description help Inscriptions of gravestones in Times Office Yard. Recorded 1966 prior to grassing over.
Subject METHODIST RECORDS
Subject MONUMENTAL INSCRIPTIONS
Access status help Open
Catalogue status Catalogued
Access conditions AVAILABLE IN THE SEARCHROOM AND DOES NOT NEED TO BE ORDERED IN ADVANCE
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Hi dobfarm, thank you for that info. It was new to me.
I doubt James & Ann Hargreaves who died when residents in the Crossley Almshouses would have had money for tombstones so the MIs from the Ebenezzer Chapel are unlikely to record them.
maidmarion hi, That is a good link- thank you . Unfotunately I live in Aus so searching the fiche at the archives is only a dream. The list of fiche is very comprehensive. I wish there was such a thing as intercountry loan!
I haven't tried Stoney RoydCem... do you suggest that as it is close to the Almshouses which I believe are in Arden Rd Halifax?
Thanks again,
charlotte
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Hi CharlotteCH
No doubt your burial is a pauper grave but even so is most likely in the cemetery those years. and Halifax (Calderdale) cem/crem office will have the record of this! Also may a record in a local newspaper.. Halifax social studies Library will have this on fich/film and charge little if not free! on known dates search and Will send you a copy by post with a cheque & SAE 50 pence UK or Cents $ in Aussy Tops with postage 5$- Search charge if any! at extream top off charge 30$ Aussy
These fiche/film of these old none conformist chapels at Halifax are in a right old state of affairs and unfortunately the originals are held at Kew in London- (like trying to get a cupa in fort knox canteen! possible! but cold when you get it after unlocking all the doors)
BumbleB is the expert on Halifax find her in Rootschat search 'Archbell' and shes come back to UK Oct 2nd off her Hols.
I'll have a word with Alex the collection manager of WYAS tonight for advice on at Wakefield. I'm at Warwick records office the rest of the Week and Matlock! but maybe back Friday in Yorkshire and call at Halifax.
regards Dobby
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PS
Charlotte
You may know of these two chaps but if not! find Lenny Beaumont who does 'Yorkshire Beaumont's' but also Spouses maiden names of Beaumont's -He a formost genealogist and his Email is on the net. A really nice man for advice! Halifax is his back yard.
Steve Whitwam another Genealogist who founded the FHS Halifax /Huddersfield. again Email on the web
Both have 30 years in ancestry and great friends.
If there is a record of this (these) burial they will know of it most likely.
Robin Hoods girl friend above is one of the best in your country on UK ancestry -Oops
Dobby.
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Hi Charlotte,
Stoney Royd is very likely for burials at that time. :) and the cemetery staff were very helpful when I visited recently. :)
Hi dobfarm.
"Robin Hoods girl friend above is one of the best in your country on UK ancestry -Oops" ???
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Hi
Sorry! :-[ Maidmarion there is a Maidmarion-oops ( Sydney Sylvia surfer & Skydiver) on Roots chat in aussy got mixed up. You must be Kirklees house at cooper bridge Yorkshire Robin Hoods seat cover (CB radio lingo) ;D
Charlotte
There are Two James Hargreaves died 1895 & 6 aged 68 & 69 but no Ann-Annie or Hannah 1880-1901 coming up in Free BMD's search
See - http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=404720.new;topicseen#new
Dobby
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hi again Dobby,
Below are the 2 deaths I found on freebmdand I'd reckon one of them is mine. It could be either depending on birth date in year... maybe I'd better try to find her baptism to help sort that out.
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Deaths Mar 1893 (>99%)
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Hargreaves Ann 71 Halifax 9a 283
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Deaths Sep 1896 (>99%)
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Hargreaves Ann 73 Halifax 9a 260
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Thanks for all the info. I assume it is Ok to approach either Steve or Lenny and ask if they can cast light on this. I don't want to be cheeky.
Re James Hargreaves- I think the March Q 1895 is most likely my James...
Hargreaves is such a common name worse luck.
I'll google now for Hx cem/Crem office email address and try them before asking others.
I really appreciate your help. Thanks,
charlotte
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http://www.calderdale.gov.uk/advice/life-events/death/contact.html
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Both are ancestry life wise. They eat, sleep, dream it.
Both answer emails & are very obliging.
Dobs
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HI
why you don't you try asking Malcolm from this website he also frequents on Roots as well
see the sidetrack on churches
http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~calderdalecompanion/
Wendy
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Wendy, thanks for the link.
Malcolm's Calderdale Companion is fabulous and so well presented..
charlotte
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Hi Charlotte
If you don't find your burial information at least you can have a photo of the bit of road which disrupted their last resting place.
Dave
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Hi Dave,
Thanks for that great pic... do I conclude from what you say that the burial ground was at the front of the chapel where the steps are?
What is the approx distance between the chapel and the Crossley Almshouses?
charlotte
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Here is a little info on the Chapel. It was build in 1822. There was a small burial ground in the front of the Chapel but was removed for road widening in 1905.
I guess from what em said that the burial ground was somewhere near the bottom of the steps.
The church is less than a mile from the Alms houses but at the other side of the town center.
Dave
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Hi Charlotte,
Can i also suggest you try Lister lane Cemetery.
It is only 1/4 mile from Arden road where the alms houses are, and was patronized by the Crossley Family, lots of them are buried in Lister Lane.
The original burial books are in Calderdale cemeteries department, Park Wood crematorium, Elland.
There is a Monumental inscriptions book in Halifax Library archive department and The Friends of Lister Lane cemetery have a detailed account of the burials.
http://www.listerlanecemetery.co.uk/http://
Regards,
Andy
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Hi Charlotte
The place of burial for both James and Ann Hargreaves is Kingcross Methodist Church Halifax. grave number 798
James Burial 19th March 1895
Ann Burial 18th July 1896
There could have been a grave stone put up by the Crossley charity but I have no Idea if the graveyard and head/flatstones are still there-Maybe other posters may know this. Also could be a MI/Dedication for them.
curtsy of
Katherine Leverson Almshouses Temple Balsall Knight Templer's Warwickshire & WYAS
Regards Dobby
Hi Maggie
The burials shave been found
Gertrude
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Hi All,
In answer to Dobbys question, all the graveyard in King Cross Meth's is in tact although a great deal overgrown.
Doby, did you not get a section number as well, it should really read old section etc Y 11 etc.
My families graves are on a section near the church and on row O plot 11.
Give me some more detail if you can and i will see what i can do, the foliage is dying back.
There is no M I for the graveyard, i would love to find the time to index the burial book.
PS i hope the no is not the burial number, as in the list number entry in the book.
Regards,
Andy.
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Hi Andy,
Yes the number is from the burial Kingscross burial register, But is the same number for both entries which usually means grave number but could be wrong on this!
Dobby
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Hi All,
Will take a look in the archives next week and get the plot from the map of the graveyard.
If i cant make it next week it will be after 6 Nov as the archives are shut 2 to 6 Nov.
Andy.
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Hi
As I'm on this Board i may awell post this info for Charlotte
There are two Thomas Deaths one 1822 Halfax and one 1829 Halifax
One we know was poor and would not have a gravestone but the other may have or MI for Elimination giving an exact year of birth for the other (Charlotte's) or the 1800 Renovwel Thomas .
Some of the Parent fathers in the list below could be brothers
Thomas Inthis could be an Infant deatrh and Jonathan Thomas b 1792 carried the Thomas name Charlotte believes as
Ellen (as Ann Taylor Wife of Thomas marriage 1778 to Ann Taylor parents were Jonas ans Ellen and Ellen Sibling in the 1800 Removal order and Jonas Of Thomas born 1780 Halifax
DEBORAH HARGRAVES Birth 24th March 1794-Bap 20 APR 1794 Congregational Or Independent, Warley, Yorkshire, England
Of James & Deborah
SALLY HARGRAVES Birth Oct 19th 1787- Bap 18 FEB 1788 Congregational Or Independent, Warley, Yorkshire, England
of Joseph and Mary
BETTY HARGRAVES Birth 8th March 1788-Bap 17 MAY 1786 Congregational Or Independent, Warley, Yorkshire, England
of George & Martha
THOMAS HARGRAVES Birth 24 Dec 1786 - Bapt 14th Jan 1787 Congregational Or Independent, Warley, Yorkshire, England
Of Thomas & Ann
HARRET Birth 21 July 1792- Bap 09 AUG 1792 Congregational Or Independent, Warley, Yorkshire, England
of George
DAVID HARGRAVES Birth 12th June 17 86- Bap 08 AUG 1786 Congregational Or Independent, Warley, Yorkshire, England
of Joseph & Mary
JOSEPH Birth 30th April 1792- Bap 27 MAY 1792 Congregational Or Independent, Warley, Yorkshire, England
of James
JOSEPH HARGRAVE Birth 31 March 1794- Bap 11 APR 1794 Congregational Or Independent, Warley, Yorkshire, England
of Mathew & Elizabeth
MARY HARGRAVE Birth 22nd Sept Bap 22 NOV 1789 Congregational Or Independent, Warley, Yorkshire, England
of James and Deborah
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THOMAS HARGEAVE BAPT 5 JUNE 1724/5 APRIL TO MARCH OF GEORGE Hargreaves of Wadsworth, blacksmith
Thomas & Anne Clayton married Halifax 8 April 1746
Lower White Lee Farm
Lower White Lee, Midgley,
John Hargreaves bapt 8th Sept 1751
Thomas Hargreaves bapt 30th Dec 1753 Married Ann Taylor 3rd March1778
George Hargreaves bapt 11thApril 1756 Married Martha Gibson 5th Nov 1777 Halifax
James Hargreaves bapt 10th Sept 1758
Hannah of Thomas & Nancy15 APR 1791 South Parade Wesleyan, Halifax, Yorkshire, England
Samuel Of Thomas and sally2 JUN 1793 South Parade Wesleyan, Halifax,
Calderdale Yorkshire, England
B 203
Catalogue reference number help HAS:68a (68a)/582
Extent help 1 item
Title help Removal order
Date help 6 Oct 1832
Description help George Hargreaves and Martha his wife, Ovenden to Midgley
Access status help Open
Calderdale GB 203
Catalogue reference number help WYC:1089/100-101
Extent help (2 items)
Title help Lease and release to uses to bar dower
Date help 1-2 Aug 1825
Description help 1 Joseph Sutcliffe, Halifax, innkeeper
2 gEORGE HargreaVES Sutcliffe, Halifax, gentleman, eldest son of 1
3 James Thompson, Halifax, gentleman
Property: capital messuage called White Lee, with barn, stable, etc and various cottages in Midgley
Calderdale GB 203
Catalogue reference number help FW:56/1
Extent help 8 items
Title help Accounts of the real estate of George Hargreaves deceased
Date help 1801-1806
Description help With legacy receipts of Henry, Thomas, George, Richard, and Joseph Patchett, Elizabeth Hainsworth, and Grace Greenwood
Access status help Open
Catalogue status Catalogued
Level help Item
Click here to explore the full catalogue for this collection
Location help Calderdale GB 203
Catalogue reference number help HAS:68a (68a)/143
Extent help 1 item
Title help Indenture of apprenticeship
Date help 12 Jan 1776
Description help John Maud (alias Bordall) of Midgley to George Hargreaves of Midgley
Access status help Open
Catalogue status Catalogued
Access conditions Available on microfilm
HALIFAX ANTIQUARIAN SOCIETY, RECORDS
Deposited official records
Civil parish records
Midgley township
Level help Item
Click here to explore the full catalogue for this collection
Location help Calderdale GB 203
Catalogue reference number help HAS:68a (68a)/233
Extent help 1 item
Title help Indenture of apprenticeship
Date help 19 Dec 1791
Description help William Helliwell of Midgley to gEORGE HargreaVES of Midgley
Access status help Open
Catalogue status Catalogued
Access conditions Available on microfilm
MYTHOLMROYD URBAN DISTRICT COUNCIL (INCLUDING MYTHOLMROYD LOCAL BOARD)
Local Board
Level help Item
Click here to explore the full catalogue for this collection
Location help Calderdale GB 203
Catalogue reference number help CMT13/BIP/M:18
Extent help 1 item
Title help Reverend W O Sutcliffe - plan of piggeries at Lower White Lee Farm, Mytholmroyd and cottage
Date help nd
Access status help Open
Catalogue status Catalogued
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Dobby, You are a real ferret ;D ;D
Amazing what you dig up, and now for me I must try and digest it.
Those who have "gentlemen after names- well they don't quite fit the mould but one shouldn't assume anything until proven ::)
Thank you again.
charlotte
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Hi, Charlotte,
Have you found a baptism for Jonathan Thomas born 1790's from the bibble date you mentioned.
Sam of Thomas and NANCY NOT ANN?????????
Jonas of THOMAS (No mothers name)
Your link to 1800 removal order (Only ELLEN)Thomas is Ann Taylors Parents Jonas and Ellen
Very Thin. link???
As your other thread. about Jonas living in Illingworth. Thomas bapt 4 dec 1786 of Thomas and ANN (No infant death found for Thomas)in the nonconformist register abode was Overden and Illingwoth was part of Overden.
The other names George & Martha also appear in the South parade methodist chaple with Hannah and Samuel of Thomas and Nancy Bapts that make me think they are related both of father Thomas 1750's along with James.
Early days. Maggie may go to Halifax herself as she seems to be very interested.
Your getting nearer.
Dobby
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PS
Thomas & Anne Clayton married Halifax 8 April 1746
Lower White Lee Farm
Lower White Lee, Midgley,
Siblings All of THOMAS HALFAX
John Hargreaves bapt 8th Sept 1751
Thomas Hargreaves bapt 30th Dec 1753 Married Ann Taylor 3rd March1778
George Hargreaves bapt 11thApril 1756 Married Martha Gibson 5th Nov 1777 Halifax
James Hargreaves bapt 10th Sept 1758 halifax
Hannah of Thomas & Nancy15 APR 1791 South Parade Wesleyan, Halifax, Yorkshire, England
Samuel Of Thomas and sally2 JUN 1793 South Parade Wesleyan, Halifax
Dobs
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I see from my Halifax street map there are two almshouses: Joseph Crossley's at Arden Road and Sir Francis Crossley's beside Belle Vue park. It doesn't make any difference to the use of the Ebenezer Chapel, of course!
Maggie
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Hi Maggie
The burials have been found as below
The place of burial for both James and Ann Hargreaves is Kingcross Methodist Church Halifax. grave number 798
James Burial 19th March 1895
Ann Burial 18th July 1896
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Dear all,
I have been to Halifax Archives today and looked through the burial records and plans for King Cross Methodist Chapel.
Unfortunately the plans for the earliest part of the graveyard are missing.(the graves with only a number not a section number and row number.)
So, armed with names and burials of people in nearby graves i went in search of the grave, but unfortunately the section of the graveyard where they are buried is so large that i could not find the plot, even with the help of nearby graves.
I have not given up hope that one day the graveyard may be cleared sufficiently that i can get around and look at each gravestone.
The burial books have now been filmed and are accesible in the library and archive under reel MIC 69
So if anyone wants a lookup done get in touch.
I have photographed the burial maps that are left and this ammounts to 3/4 of the graveyard so plot numbers can be found and possibly gravestones located, although i must stress the graveyard is very badly overgrown in parts and unaccesible due to thick brambles, Ivy and ferns.
Regards,
Andy
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Hi Andy,
Thank you very much for hunting thru the graveyard.
Amazing progress has been made- when I first posted this thread I didn't even know where James & Ann were buried and rather depaired of ever finding that out.
Thank you again for your help.
charlotte
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Hello to everyone,
Just discovered this site so this is my first post, here goes! My grandfather I know is buried here and about 12 years ago I found it however a in June this year went to find it but it is so overgrown I could not find it can anyone help with location please. His details are D'arcy Robinson died May 27th 1938 apparently my father made the headstone due to lack of funds.
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Hi Britexpat,
welcome to RootsChat.
Can you confirm that your ancestors are buried in King Cross Methodist cemetery and not Ebenezer Primitive Methodist where the original graveyard has been built over. You wont be able to send a PM until you have sent in a few posts but a personal request to one of the rootschatters who has access to the cemetery might help. You might do better if you started a new topic
but good luck anyway.
Dave
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Welcome to Rootschat
Kingcross cemetery is owned by a funeral director with his name and phone number at the gate on a board (Below) and has a grave plan and names of people in the graves also West Yorkshire Archive service located in the Halifax Library building have the list of graves and peoples names in them with location numbers.
From oversea calls add 44 before the phone number
Melia Funeral Services View phone number
01422 354453
64 Gibbet Street,
Halifax,
Calderdale
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WYAS, Calderdale
Central Library
Northgate House
Northgate
Halifax
HX1, 1UN
Telephone: 01422 392636
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Hi Britexpat,
I have looked through the records for the date you gave and there were only 2 Robinsons buried during 1938.
they were;
12 May 1938, Sam Robinson, 75 Years, buried sec A 193
30 May 1938, Ellen Robinson, 63 Years, buried Sec E 84.
Have you any more information, i can find any grave in the graveyard, given enough information.
Regards,
Andy
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Hi everyone,
I really appreciate all your help so quickly,
Andy you have hit the nail on the head, my mistake really as it was my grandmother Ellen Robinson who died 27th May 1938 and my grandfather D’Arcy Robinson 15th February 1953 and possibly they are in the same plot? I am coming to Halifax in April for my son’s wedding so hopefully I can see this grave again.
Regards
Pat (Patrick)
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Hello Pat,
I will look again and see who else is in the grave, it will be a week now before i get chance to look.
i will find the grave for you.
Andy.
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Andy,
Your help is much appreciated.
Happy New Year
Pat
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Hello Pat,
I have had a stroll round King Cross Meth's graveyard today and found the grave.
It is in a cleared section and there is a stone, albeit a bit hard to read as it is Granite.
The grave is very easy to find and is near the main road.
If you need any more pictures in higher resolution, or a map, just PM me with your email adress.
Regards,
Andy
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Just this morning, someone sent me a photograph of the chapel (dated around 1900) which shows the burial ground and the 1822 chapel.
You can see this on my Calderdale Companion website at
http://www.calderdalecompanion.co.uk/ph207.html
Malcolm Bull
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Thought I remembered someone looking for burials at the Ebeneezer chapel
so when I had a look at a recent posting by Malcolm Bull and found this link
http://www.calderdalecompanion.co.uk/kk_109.html
I realised that it might be still relevant to this post
it explains that the remains were re-interred at Stoney Royd in 1883
Dave
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Thought I remembered someone looking for burials at the Ebeneezer chapel
so when I had a look at a recent posting by Malcolm Bull and found this link
http://www.calderdalecompanion.co.uk/kk_109.html
I realised that it might be still relevant to this post
it explains that the remains were re-interred at Stoney Royd in 1883
Dave
Hi All
Stoney Royd cemetery details information of internments are held
at
Park Wood Crematorium
Park Road
Elland HX5 9HZ
parkwood.crematorium@calderdale.gov.uk
Telephone
01422 372293
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Hi, im new to this hence the user name but can anyone help me locate a grave in this cemetry. Im trying to find the grave of my great grandmother Betty Gomersal who died aged 61 in 1899, Halifax. telephoned Melias and they have given me the grave number as 450 in the King Cross Methodist graveyard. The lady I spoke to said this grave was in the 'old Graveyard' ?? I asked where abouts that was but she didnt know and Mr Melia was on holiday.
I have other relatives burried in a family grave who passed in 1940's and which I have found to be located towards the bottom of the graveyard (where you come through the 'snicket' at the side of the methodist church and it joins a pathway which runs along the top of what I would deep as to the left the bottom part of the grave yard, there are big gates here and a little futher along on the left is a small gate where the graves are in steps leading downward.
Im assuming the 'old part' of the graveyard is at the top adjacent to where the 'snicket' runs and if walking down from the main road (with the fire station opposite) can be located on the left??
I hope my feable attempt at dircetions makes sense to anyone knowing this graveyard that may be able to help me out here.
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Hi welcome,
I located my grandfathers grave with the help of (drewhowson) screenname look at earlier posts and message him he was extremely helpful to me an seems to know this grave yard very well. I live in France so can't help you. Good luck.
Pat
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Thanks for your help Pat and I will try to contact the gentleman you have mentioned.
Will let you know if I find it :)
Beverly
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Hi Nugirl,
My advice would be wait till me Mr Melia comes back off holiday, as I think he has a map of the old graveyard also you will have noticed how overgrown the graveyard is in the old side of the graveyard down the banking toward that big tower, also behind the modern later graves. Overgrown means close trees with bushes, creeping spiky thorny things and also the graves have sunk with headstones that maybe dangerously loose. Just green long grass can cover a multitude of sins of holes as I went down one about a 18 inch deep and nearly broke my leg in another graveyard. Kingscross is one of the most dangerous graveyards there is! If you do go or anyone? either take someone with you and work in pairs in eye contact all the time in the old section or at least let someone know where you are going or doing. Best call at the police station as they then know! as they keep look out for theft also your safety as they know Kingscross well! Last make sure your moblie phone is charged.
Some graves have numbers visable and some can be seen around the stone edge , so then you can workout in rows & by dates of burial.
Take great care and above all be safe. :)
Dob's
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Many thanks for all your advice Dob's.
When it gets to the time to go in search i will take very good care and follow all your advice. :)
Beverly
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Best take a walking stick to prod in front of your as footing, unseen holes, vines and gentle prod the stones also take a pair of sectors and good walking shoes with plenty of grip (I use them ice grips over my shoes -see them online as cheap to buy). Keep out of the falling range of stones.
On sunny days that banking can be very slippy on grass or or part dried mood :-\
Dob's
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Hi Charlotte,
Are these not the people that Andy helped you locate in King Cross Cemetery, Halifax in 2009? He also helped me at that time. James died 1895 and Ann 1896. They are buried in grave 798. I have attached a photo that Andy took for us. He also sent another photo of the small stone. It wasn't personalized but I can't remember if it just said #798. Search King Cross Cemetery and look for post May 9, 2009 from drewhowson for more info.
Jan
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Hi Jan, Pan & Charlotte
Sorry to intrude again! but from Jan's photo!! please note the grave stones part hidden in the trees, bushes, vines, low growth to the left & right of the opening terrest as just to show how dangerous that cemetery is.
Dob's.
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Hi Everyone,
Think I answered an old post of Charlotte's but anyhow. Andy (drewhowson) was instrumental in locating my great grandparents' grave in King Cross in 2009. When I visited there he "blazed" the trail so to speak and led us to the grave. It was my understanding that he was going to make a map.
Might check with him as he is exceptionally helpful.
Jan
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Anyone want a grave finding in King Cross methodist graveyard let me know, i will gladly search for them, as some of you have said, you need a machete and stout stick in place to get through the overgrown jungle.
I have replied to Nugirl with the directions to the grave she is looking for.
Regards,
Andy
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Hi Andy,
Hope the police don't catch you with the machete, but you may get away with a hand scythe! I always contact the police, churchwarden or cemetery owner to ask advice of them before I start seaching as any does and don'ts.
Dob's
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Hi Andy, You've been so kind and helpful to me about all this.
Thank you again ;D
charlotte
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Hi everyone,
thanks for all your help (topic above)
I found the grave for my great grandmother at King Cross Methodist Burial Site thanks to the help of Melia's for the grave number and everyones advice on here, because if I hadnt googled key words in the first place then this forum would have never been known to me and its a great forum. In particular I would like to thank Drewhowson, what a remarkable man he is!
It transpires that my great grandmother is burried in the same grave as two of her sons, daughter in law, grandson and great nephew, and none of the relatives left i.e 3 grandaughters knew this. The headstone was replaced in around 1963 by my mothers mother and it seems that the info must not of been known as my mother seems certain that her mother would not have ommited these details from the headstone on purpose.
The grave was known to us and i found this a few years ago, however the missing part of the jigsaw was that we did not now my greatgrandmother was here too, so I was extremely surprised when Dewhowson sent a map and description of where the grave was from the grave number I had given to him as recorded by Melias. Even when I returned to the grave on Sunday I still expected the directions to lead to another grave, thinking "she cant possibly be at the same grave and no-one knew"
So my thanks go to each and everyone of you for all your help. I now need to find out whether a name can be added to a headstone and to what cost and what permissions are required. :-\
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Hi Nugirl.
it maybe the cemetery office that deals with requests about adding headstones and inscriptions etc.
That is the case in a Lancs cen where I made similar enquiry. The office may also tellyou the stone masons familiar with the cemetry's rules on this.
charlotte
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This just shows that the burial records need to be consulted as well as seeing the headstone. Thanks for pointing this out Nugirl and well done for finding your g gran's last resting place.
Have you considered that there might have been a fall out in the family, it seems unusual to replace a headstone, Kerbstones are often added when there is no room for a further inscription.
Permission for inscriptions can only be granted to the next of kin or with their written permission.
Dave
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If anyone can help locate a grave in the Methodist church it would most helpful.
Three internments in plot 125F
Mary Williamson in 1945, husband Matthew in 1950 and son Ewart in 1979.
Tried to find it last year with no luck.
Their granddaughter is now 80 and would like to know where it is.
Thanks
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Hello Tiggercat,
The section you are looking for is below and to the left of the Chapel, right next to Wainhouse Tower.
Go down the path between the old chapel and the graveyard, and when you get to the bottom, cross the lane and bear left down the slope into section F.it is overgrown at first, then all the graves come into view, the rows etc are numbered from the far end, nearest Wainhouse Tower.
The grave is on the 10th row up from the tower end, and 9 in the row.
The first grave on the row you are looking for is a Webb grave, the graves on either side of yours are,Stott on the path side and Bridge on the far side.
If you need any more help get back in touch,
Regards,
Andy
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Andy
Thanks for that. We did go into the lower part, but with unguided searching we got no results. It may be there is no marker. We are visiting again in mid September so with your directions, will have another look.
Matthew Williamson was an Alderman of Halifax, so would be surprised if there isn't a marker of some sort.
Cheers
Roger
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Tiggercat,
I will be passing sometime this weekend.
I will take a look and clear a route if necessary.
Regards,
Ansdy
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Andy,
How was the access ?
Is there a marker to find, or just a space ?
Cheers
Tig
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Hello Tiggercat,
The access is good, a bit of undergrowth and a large tree growing in the grave behind.
There is a stone.
take some secateurs to get better access and a decent photo.
When you start pacing the graves out make sure you count from the Wainhouse tower end.
10 rows up and 9th in the row.
Regards,
Andy
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Hi Andrew not been in contact with you for a while as I lost my sister a year ago (78yrs), however I don't know whether you can help yet again as you did a splendid job on locating my grandad / grandmothers grave of which we cleaned up. My dilema now is finding my dads first wife's grave! Let me give you an insight into this. My father Otis Robinson Married Annie Elizabeth Peacock and they had two children D'Arcy Robinson & Connie Robinson (even though half they were always known to me as brother and sister) D'Arcy lived in Canada and died in 1972 quite young and my sister Connie was mentally handicapped and is the one that passed away last year in care at Rastrick. Annie Elizabeth Robinson (nee Peacock) died in childbirth with Connie that is why she was handicapped, then later my dad remarried that is where I came on the scene, I have no photos of my dads first wife nor do I know where she was buried I guess because of what happened she was erased from memories as it was so sad!! So I would love to find where she was laid to rest if it is possible she died 2nd May 1933 and was born Oct 1898 I am quite willing to give you permission and access to my family tree if that would help on Ancestry all I need I believe is your email. Kind Regards and hope you are of good health. Patrick Robinson
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Anyone want a grave finding in King Cross methodist graveyard let me know, i will gladly search for them, as some of you have said, you need a machete and stout stick in place to get through the overgrown jungle.
I have replied to Nugirl with the directions to the grave she is looking for.
Regards,
Andy
Hi Andy,
I'm a new user here, and can't yet send a private message.
I'm hoping you can help me find two burial plots at this cemetery:
Hannah Pickles died 3-Sept-1878 buried 5-Sept-1878
James Pickles died 15-Jan-1885 buried 17-Jan-1885
These are my 4th great-grandparents, and it would mean a great deal to me if their graves could finally be located. I found some handwritten notes that indicate they are buried at "Moor Lane Capel, King Cross", which I believe is the same.
Thank-you kindly for any help can offer.
Regards,
George Trout
gtrout@austin.rr.com
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New to RootsChat and read with great interest the remarkable work of those who have done research in this cemetery. It is highly likely that my ancestor, John Priestley (ca1810-ca1840), was buried in this cemetery as his daughter Ellen was baptized at Ebenezer Chapel Primitive Methodist in 1831. His last child was born in 1838 and he was gone by the 1841 census. The family was also connected with South Parade Methodist. His wife, Lydia (nee) Blackburn appears in the 1841 census as a widow and later married a Jowett.
Can anyone advise on how to follow up on this? John Priestley has been my brick wall for years!
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Hello Ovenden Priestley.
The chapel graveyard was removed in 1905 for road widening.
All internments were re buried in Stony Royd cemetery in Halifax.
I have not come across any records of the old internments but Calderdale Bereavement services could be able to help you.
Park Wood Crematorium is the repository of al the Calderdale grave books and other information.
Telephone number is: 01422 372293.
Also there is a small piece on the chapel in he link below.
http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~calderdalecompanion/c109_e.html#e9
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Anyone want a grave finding in King Cross methodist graveyard let me know, i will gladly search for them, as some of you have said, you need a machete and stout stick in place to get through the overgrown jungle.
Regards,
Andy
I've cancelled the request to you Andy as I've further searched and found he's not my line of ancesters.
Thankyou
Lynda