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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Durham => England => Durham Lookup Requests => Topic started by: ronica on Tuesday 22 September 09 13:19 BST (UK)
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Hi All!
In the 1851 census a clever rootschatter found the following entry for me
HO107/2385 121 48&49
Byers Green, Durham
Tod Hills
Ralph Robinson, head 28, farmer and butcher, b Eighting Banks
Isabella, wife, 24, b Northumberland, Newburn
Mary Ann, dau, 10mo, b Tod Hill
Mary, sister, 18, b Hetton
+ 3 farm labourers and a house servant
What i am hoping to find now is a family for Ralph and his sister Mary in the 1841 census - are those records available?
Ralph married in about 1850
The only reference i have to his sister Mary is in the above census record. I have no idea of their parents.
So i am hoping to identify their parents and any other siblings
Thanks
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A possible match
HO 107 313 14/9 13
Donkins? St Thornley
Thomas Robinson 50 coal miner
Martha 40
Ralph 17 coal miner
Mary 8
Thos. 2
all born in county except Martha
You would probably need the marriage certificate to be sure of this though as Robinson is such a common name. freebmd has a possible match and one for Mary Ann's birth too which would show Isabella's maiden name.
Andrea
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possible marriage Igi for ralph robinson
1850 auckland st andrews 13th
ralph robinson age 26
isabella swinburn age 23
lynnej
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That is the marriage that shows up on freebmd so getting those marriage details should be the next step. That Ralph has changed occupation so much by 1851 makes me wonder if the 1841 is the right family so to have the certificate would be really helpful.
Andrea
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Thanks Ladies!
I had actually seen the entry on igi but for some reason my brain didn't think to look at freebmd. ;D
Will check it out and let you know how i go - thanks for reminding me to check out the basics
Is the marriage certificate going to give me the mothers names as well?
A lot of my family history is in South Australia and you only get fathers name of bride and bridegroom on a marriage certificate
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Unfortunately English Marriage certs only have Fathers names and occupations. You have to get a Birth Cert of one of the children born post 1837 to find Mothers name.
For example to find Martha Robinsons maiden anme you could purchase son Thomas's cert, aged 2 on 1841 Census.
Looks like you are going to have to fork out a few pounds :P
Trish :)
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Have just ordered the marriage cert for Ralph ROBINSON and Isabella SWINBURN - :D woohoo :D
Had a look for Thomas ROBINSON on free bmd aged 2yr in 1841 census but there were lots to choose from and i don't reckon mine was there - that's a bit of a pity :(
When i get my certificate i'll let you know what it says
Thanks heaps for your help!!!!!!
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I can give you baptism dates for the children of Ralph and Isabella if you wish.
Janis
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:) I have received the marriage certificate of Ralph ROBINSON and Isabella SWINBURN
Ralph ROBINSON - age 26 - butcher - father = Thomas ROBINSON
Isabella SWINBURN - age 23 - - father = Thomas SWINBURN
they were married on 13th April 1850
so this ties in with all the information found thus far - is there anywhere i can go from here to try and expand the family further. Not really sure what i'm looking for
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Possible Christening for Isabella
Isabella SWINBURN
Birth, 26 November
Christened, 30 November 1826, All Saints Silver Street Primative Methodist, Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland
Parents THOMAS Swinburn and MARY
Unfortunately there are no others siblings on the Batch
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Hi again :)
What are the Fathers occupations on the Marriage Cert?
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Both fathers have the same occupation - it looks like "Pitman" :-\
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I looked in Lamesley St. Andrew (C od E) for a baptism of Ralph (parish church that covers Eighton Banks). None there. There was a Thomas Robinson baptised 18 Feb 1827 s/o Thomas and Martha. No burial for a Thomas that looked likely at least there but there was a 6 year old Thomas in Hetton le Hole 23 Sept 1832
You might want to check out Hetton le Hole St. Nicholas:
Mary Robinson baptised 5 May 1833 d/o Thomas and Martha, pitman, Hetton le Hole
Elizabeth Robinson baptised 3 July 1836 d/o Thomas and Martha
Thomas Shipley Robinson baptised New Year's Day 1839
No Ralph yet.
NewCastle St. John marriage: Thomas Robinson and Martha Shipley 3 Mar 1823
Janis
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What does a Pitman do?
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A pitman was a person who worked at a mine, predominately a Coal mine.
Gary
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NewCastle St. John marriage: Thomas Robinson and Martha Shipley 3 Mar 1823
Janis
VERY INTERESTING!! - one of Ralphs sons was named Thomas Shipley ROBINSON so this marriage in 1823 looks good. Plus Ralph also looks to have a brother Thomas Shipley.
My Ralph was born somewhere between 1822 - 1825, have calculated this from various sources
Thomas ROBINSON was baptised in 1827 @ Lamesley St Andrew
Mary, Elizabeth and Thomas Shipley are baptised in the 1830's @ Hetton le hole so where did the family disappear to inbetween?
My English geography and understanding of church / parishes / counties / etc is shocking - how far between Newcastle St John & Lamesley St Andrew & Hetton le Hol or is it all in the same town/village and just different parishes / churches. If someone could explain it to me that would be great
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Newcastle St John is in the county of Northumberland
Lamesley St Andrew is in Gateshead in the county of Durham about 5 miles as the crow flies from St John
Hetton-Le-Hole is also in the county of Durham about 10 miles from Lamesley St Andrew.
Gary
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Thanks Gary - that helps
If i may ask what is "Newcastle St John"? Is it a church, a parish, a town/village - i am trying to look on google maps but it doesn't like Newcastle St John but when i typed in "newcastle northumberland england" it came up with "Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland UK" - am i on the right track
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I found Hetton-Le-Hole no probs!
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Hi Ronica
St John is a parish in the city of Newcastle Upon Tyne, so yes you are on the right track ;D
Gary
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Hi Gary
So it should follow that St Andrew is a parish in Lamesley which is in the wider area of Gateshead which is only a stones throw from Newcastle Upon Tyne
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Hi Ronica
Thats about it in a nutshell.
Edit: Sorry Lamesley was in the parish of Eighton Banks
Gary
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Ronica
You might find this site usefull for locating parish's in County Durham.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/07sn/
Gary
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Thanks Gary! Now that i've passed English geography i'm off to bed!!!!!! Appreciate your help
ps - just checked out the link and had bookmarked it for future reference - was wondering how Janis knew what parish to look in