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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Wiltshire => Topic started by: rosie99 on Monday 28 September 09 12:21 BST (UK)
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Hi
I am trying to find out what happened to Worthy Crook after 1861.
Worthy was born Beanacre / Melksham c1817.
He married twice, both times in London and had two daughters by his first marriage and a child that died in infancy from his second. Both wives died and I last have him living in Bratton in 1861 with his eldest daughter Mary. Mary married Samuel Gifford in 1865 when she states that her father is a farm labourer so probably still in the area but after that I can't find any trace of him.
Not to get confused There are two other Worthy Crooks in the family one bn 1837 who married Lucy in 1863 - he died 1909, Also Worthy who was born in Lambeth in 1855 and died in 1880 at Arzu.
Thanks
Rosie
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is this the correct worthy crook?
worthy crook bapt 5th oct 1817 melksham wiltshire parents listed as henry crook and mary.
regards
alli
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Hi Alli
Yes thats 'my' Worthy, I have him from his baptism until 1861 then he vanishes.
I haven't managed to find his daughter Eliza either who in 1861 I believe was a servant living at Old King Street, Bristol. (She was born in Westminster but christened in Melksham in 1847. ) His eldest daughter Mary (Gifford ) died in Sept qtr 1865 so he isn't likely to be with her!
Rosie
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I tripped across RootsChat and happen to notice you asked about Worthy Crook and some other Crook family names. My name is Dale Crook and live is Alpharetta, Georgia but our family tree goes directly back to Worthy Crook and the Melksham area. Do you know any members of the Crook family that still live there?
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Which Worthy are you descended from?
If it is the Worthy that Rosie is seeking, then was it him that emigrated (thus answering her question) or did he have a son/grandson that emigrated to head up the Cooks in Georgia?
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Hi Dale
Welcome to rootschat :)
As lizdb says which Worthy are you descended from.
I see that you have this information on another post
my family history goes back to a Eliza Crook in the Melksham, Wiltshire area
I would love to know how you link back to the Melksham Crook's ;D I know a few of them did cross 'the pond'
Thank you for your PM
Rosie
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All I can tell you what my father gave me which says 7. Worthy Crook (Henry, William) was born 05 October 1817. He married Mary Ann. She was born 1820 and died 25 September 1847 in Beanacre, Wiltshire.
More about Worthy Crook: Christened: 05 October 1817, St. Michael & All Angels, Melksham (age 27).
Child of Worthy Crook and Mary is: Eliza Crook, b September 1847 and was Christened: 26 September 1847, St Michael & All Angels, Melksham, Wiltshire.
As far back as I see in what my father (William Salisbury Crook) gathered goes back to William Crook married Elizabeth Hill, 21 October 1777 in Woodchester, Gloucestershire, daughter of Henry Hill.
I live in Georgia but my family is from & I grew up in Connecticut. So are we on the same family tree?
Regards,
Dale Crook
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Rosie
To answer your question how I go back to Worthy Crook? My father left me a stack of papers that lists what he researched. That said I don't see in these papers who first came to the States. However about 16 or so years ago some of our relatives from Melsksham came over to Connecticut for a reunion. We had three small children at the time so it was very difficult for my wife and myself to concentrate on the presentation. About 5-6 years ago my two cousins David & Larry Crook made the trip over to Melksham and visited relatives but I don't have names. My wife and myself made the trip as well but I totally was turned around with driving on the 'wrong' side of the road and chickened out driving from London to Melksham. I will try to find out who made the trip and report back.
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Rosie
I believe I just found the answer to your question. Charles Crook, b 28 January 1874 Broughton Road, Melksham, Wiltshire; d 10 July 1956, New Haven, Connecticut - Charles emigrated to Connecticut USA with his brother Edward. He visited England in 1929 and returned to USA on RMS Majestic which sailed on 3/7/1929 from Southampton to New York via Cherbourg. With Charles on this trip were Pauline (wife) and Grace Joan LeMay (niece of Charles). I also show Alfred Crook was born 25 April 1846 in London and died 07 August 1877 in Hamden, Connecticut, USA. These papers my father left me are very difficult to follow, I do know this, my father William Salisbury Crook was one of three from Charles Crook who died in the early 1970's - but I can't bridge my Grandfather to Charles Crook that emigrated to the US. Not yet anyway.
Regards,
Dale Crook
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Rosie
Sorry for all the posts - I attached one page of the document that my father left me - it starts with Generation 1 William Crook and Worthy Crook is #7.
Let me know if we both go back to the same Worthy Crook
Regards,
Dale Crook
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Hi Dale
Thank you for your reply,
I believe you have the same family that both Worthy's are part of, I will send you a PM.
Rosie
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hi people, I am a decendant of the Crooks you are interested in, I live in Melksham, and go to Beanacre every day, nice to meet you :). /my line is through Henry Crook 1781 and Mary (Wiltshire??), their son Mark Crook 1820-1906 married Ellenor Webb, their daughter Elizabeth Crook 1846-1922, she married Cornelius Skuse who is my greatx2 granddad, I am also a Skuse. I am happy to swap info
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Hi stickychoc
Welcome to rootschat :)
I was just after the whereabouts of Worthy Crook bapt 1817 after 1861 and his daughter Eliza after she married.
If you post a couple of replies here then we can use the PM system.
Rosie
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I am finding my way around this site, was wondering why I couldn't get chat to work, I will post a few times. I will have to look at my info later, as I am just on my way out, but if I can find anything out for you, I will happily do so :)
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Thank you for the offer. Hopefully Dale will get a notification you have posted as well.
I expect chat won't work until you have posted once more.
Rosie
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I will reply again now I am home then. I have a lot of pictures of Joseph crook and his haulier business, it's been a while since I did my tree (running out of things to find out now) so I'm a bit rusty at remembering off hand, so if you want to know anything, just ask and I will look. I can go to the local records office which is 15 minutes way too, so quite easy to take pictures of this area or find info, happy to dig :)
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What would be really interesting is if we could go back in time before Worthy Crook - we would love building the tree out including other branches. What is your name and is it possible to switch over to e-mail like Rosie and I did? The reason , my niece is working on completing our history. - her name is Nancy Crook Pincus. My name is Dale Crook and we are around 3rd or 4th generation USA . She isn't on Roots chat yet and is very preoccupied with twin 1 year old girls. I have a lot of questions like what is Beanacre and what is Melksham like - how did the family name of Crook come about - is Crook a common name over there? There appears to be 2 Worthy Crooks are they related?
Regards,
Dale Crook
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We would like pictures of Joseph and others.
Dale
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There appears to be 2 Worthy Crooks are they related?
There are actually 3 Worthy Crooks in the family. :)
Worthy bn 1817 was the son of Henry Crook/Mary Wiltshire. This is the Worthy I am looking for.
Worthy bn 1837 was the son of Isaac Crook (bn c1813 Melksham son of Henry Crook & Mary Wiltshire) and Eliza. This family remained in the Melksham area.
Worthy bn 1855 (Clapham, Surrey) was the son of Henry Crook (bn c1822 Melksham son of Henry Crook & Mary Wiltshire) and Eliza Blackhall. This family lived in the Lambeth, Surrey area.
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I had pictures of the tomb of Isaac crook (b 1813) and his 2 wives, I lost my phone, then they took the tomb away, but its a lovely place to be laid to rest and a peaceful place to sit and ponder. I can give you what I know, some of it is definite-as in, I have certificates to prove it, some is probable, as in, I have baptism marriage, burial entries from the church records. I will sort it out as much as I have, and give it to you. As I'm still new to this site, how do I private message it to you both?? Thanks.
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I can happily share my ancestry.com trees with you if it's possible (I couldn't work out how last time, and I no longer subscribe) .
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Dale, I'd love to be able to email you, or facebook if it's an option, I can tell you much bout Melksham, I was born here, so know lots, and I'm happy to take photos of the places as they are now. It's always great to meet new 'family' and the Crooks have been a hard family to find, I do have details of a few that I have found along the way, but it appears there are no Crooks left in Beanacre these days. Please feel free to ask anything, if I can help, I will. PM me your email and i'll send you what I can. (apologies for repeating myself, I am reading each post, and replying separately)
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e-mail: (*) - so where have all the Crooks gone? Here's an interesting thing that happened this summer. We were in Aruba, 16 degrees of the equator, taking a tour of the north shore, there were two other couples on the tour and one had an English accent. I casually said my family history takes me back to about 80 miles west-south-west of London. He asked me my last name and I said Crook - I was looking away at the time, but I caught a startled look on his wife's face as she quickly turned to her husband. He turned and looked at me, at that point I wasn't sure where this was going, but his wife then said that his (her husband) grandmothers maiden name was Crook and he added that she grew up about 80 miles west-south-west of London. I couldn't remember Melksham at the time, but what a chance encounter that I might have been sitting across from a distant or who knows not so distant relative.
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Wow, small world, that gave me goose bumps!! I will message you what I have written out so far, part 2 will have to follow when my eyes can look at a screen long enough again ;).
I need to research where they have gone, I think some are in Yorkshire. The descendants of joseph crook (the Melksham Haulier) were here for many years after, but I guess in recent years, they have moved away.
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I know this is an old post but my Crooks were from Wiltshire too. I don’t know if anyone still reads this post, but my Crooks followed the mining work to Monmouthshire. Please reply if you’re interested.
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Hi Scrook, nice to hear from you. Not sure if we are linked, I have a few Crooks in Wilts (Beanacre, Melksham) but they originated from Woodchester in Glos. Where in Wilts do yours come from???
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I checked for a possible dna link on genesis gedmatch and a couple of Worthy Crooks did pop up in my dna matches.
I haven’t worked out how we are connected but my gtgfx3 Stephen Crook is from Wick and Abson in South Gloucester so I suspect a possible connection there somewhere?
I’ll try and do a bit more searching later today. I’ve attached what I found so far?
Regards Sue
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i can tell you straight away that henry and mary wiltshire are my direct ancestors, if my research is correct. My July myself and my cousin are meeting up in glos records office to find more.... I have a few names beyond henry and mary but I have only so far assumed they are correct based on the fact that there were no other plausible options. I did my tree myself and it has matched with other's who have the same lines, so suspect I'm in the right direction. Happy to share what I know if you want it. (Though email would be easier). Cheers H
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oh, and since I live in Melksham, when I am able, I'll see if he has a headstone in the church, the Crooks were a wealthy family... I'm sure I've seen 1, but not sure which Worthy it belongs to. H
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thats great thanks I’m happy to share what I have too, I haven’t gone much further back than Stephen as I’ve only been doing this about 6 months.
I got engrossed/side tracked in the mining history especially as I live in the same village they lived and worked in. 4 relatives were killed altogether in mining accidents here, so finding out about them has been quite interesting and quite sad. I’m fascinated that I could quite possibly be walking down the street that they walked to work on.
I don’t have any photos of them, my relatives were the youngest so suspect if there’s any pics the oldest members of the family inherited them. But I do have photos of the mines and local area.
I’m on ancestry too, my tree isn’t private, so search under Susan Crook and it should pop up.
Have any of you done dna test?
Sue
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Welcome to rootschat Sue.
Is it your Stephen (Stephen Lovell Crook) that married Hester Cantle in Keynsham 29 July 1833 :-\
I can see three birth registrations of children of Stephen & Hester (Aaron 1838 & 1839) and (Elizabeth Mash 1844) which give mothers maiden surname as Cantle / Cautle /Cantell
Stephen Lovell Crook was christened at Abson 19 Jan 1812 son of Abraham (aka Absalom)& Martha.
Absalom & Martha also appear to have moved to Wales.
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Yes that’s my Stephen, Absolom and Abraham, my (direct line) grandparents x 3, 4 and 5.
The middle name Lovell has shown up a couple of times too.
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As for Worthy Crook baptised at Melksham 5 October 1817 -
His parents were Henry Crook baptised 19th April 1778 @ Woodchester, Gloucestershire and Mary Wiltshire. They married 8th September 1796 at Melksham.
Henrys parents were William Crook and Elizabeth Hill who married in Woodchester 21 Oct 1777.
Some trees claim that this William died in Melksham in 1837. However the death certificate for that William states William Crook died 27th November 1837 age 66 years, Informant Ann Crook - Widow of Shails Lane. This would give him a date of birth of c1777 ???
I do not know of a DNA test being done by any descendants of this Worthy
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Hi Rosie99
A ‘Worthy Crook’ has come up on my dna. I just don’t know how he’s connected to ‘my Crooks’ yet, I haven’t got back that far. I’ve attached what’s come up on my dna search under gedcom gen.
my understanding is if you search under your number for a name - what comes up is connected to your dna (I think? that’s how it works?).
Also doing a search on Henry has come up with 11 children which means a lot of searching to find the connection.
Regards Sue
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i have done my dna, its on ancestry. my tree is also open, skuse family tree. I'm I have a death certificate for every person in my direct line that is available, Rosie may have just proved me wrong in my research. I will check.
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Sue, It looks as though your Absalom Crook was born c1783 in Melksham to Ann Crook (Possibly a single parent)
The fact that he had Bax added as a middle name suggests that the father of Absalom could be ....Bax. If he is to be related to Worthy we would need to track his mother Ann.
Worthys father Henry had a sister Ann baptised in Woodchester, Gloucestershire in March 1781 so we can rule her out. I have not managed to find Henry's father (William)'s birth. He married in Woodchester but there is no evidence he was born there. His wife Elizabeth Hill was born in Woodchester, her father was Henry Hill.
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Hi Rosie
I’ve found an Ann Mellen and Abraham Crook as his possible parents? It’s not confirmed.
Bax and Lovell were popular middle names in my family. In Melksham area I read there used to be a Lord Lovell and Lovell House. Maybe they wanted to remember the area where they came from? Also the Braveheart film springs to mind where the Lord demanded rights to sleep with daughter on wedding night but think I’m entering the realms of flights of fantasy here, but who knows? Lovell is a very common middle name in that area.
I’ve attached some research, again it’s not confirmed and why they have question marks after their names. They were from another relative who’s been doing family history for a while. As I haven’t got the birth certs or any other certs it’s not confirmed by me.
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The baptism for Absolom say his mother is Ann Crook with no mention of a father. This would normally indicate that he was illegitimate.
I would think that the marriage at St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire in 1756 between Ann Mellen & Abraham Crook was unlikely to be the parents of Absalom. They were both widowed when they married and of the parish of Bolton, Lancashire. Do you have any evidence that they moved south.
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I would have to check with cousin. It will take me a few days.
I thought it unlikely they were his parents which is why I added the ? They did seem to travel for work especially mining, can understand Wiltshire to South Wales as it’s not such a big hop, but Lancashire? Unless they sent her away to have the baby?
Thanks for looking it up though.
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Hi I am interested in this as part of my family tree as I am directly descended from Anne Crook and her son Absalom. I have seen a reference to another possible partner for Anne but it also suggests additional children but I cannot verify this. Anne was the daughter of William Crook , son of William Crook b 1705 Wiltshire. Haven’t got more just yet.
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Hi Crookie, Welcome to rootschat.
Scrook who is researching your Absalom does not appear to have been on here for a while, hopefully they will get an email to tell them you have posted.
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Hi Crookie, Welcome to rootschat.
Scrook who is researching your Absalom does not appear to have been on here for a while, hopefully they will get an email to tell them you have posted.
Thanks Rosie99, that's very interesting. I am just looking at recent info regarding Absalom's potential great grandfather's family but it needs more verification. Records are difficult in the late 1600's.
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Hi Susan Crook, just seen your posts. I am looking into the Crook line and can trace back to Absalom Bax and beyond. It would be good to understand our possible connection.Thanks, Chris
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Just to say although Absalom is not in the line I was looking at I believe that Bax is not his name. Looking at the baptism it says base as in base born ie illegitimate. Ancestry has transcribed it wrongly.
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Thank you !
I was aware of the 'base born' comment but did not connect that with Bax. I didn't dig deeper as I have connections in my other tree with a Bax family and never questioned it. Absalom is enough of an unusual name on its own eh??
C