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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: eltelf on Monday 19 October 09 17:32 BST (UK)
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Dear list,
I would very much appreciate it if anyone could help with US immigration and census records for Mrs Margaret TELFORD who travelled out to New York from Glasgow on ship 'Columbia', leaving Glasgow for New York 7 April 1906. She was born c1850 in Scotland, but lived in Gateshead, County Durham, England (her maiden name was Johnston). Her husband Alexander Telford remained in Gateshead and died there in 1912, but Margaret never returned to England.
I would be most grateful if anyone was able to check the immigration and census records and let me know where Margaret TELFORD was going on arrival, and where she subsequently lived, and who she lived with.
I would also very much like any information that US immigration records might give about Janet TELFORD who travelled with Margaret on the 'Columbia' in 1906. Janet is a complete mystery to me, but must have been a relative of Margaret. The only information I have from the Glasgow passenger list is that she was 'unmarried, occupation 'Domestic'). I have no idea of her age, origins or address in England/Scotland.
(Margaret's son George Johnston Telford was already living in Westchester, Yonkers - he emigrated there in 1895 - but Margaret was not living with him in 1910 according to US Federal Census. Margaret's daughter Jeanie Telford (born 1887 in Gateshead, County Durham, England) also emigrated to New York, but I am not sure when.)
Most grateful for any help you can give.
Lesley Telford
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You can view the original ship's manifest on www.ellisisland.org. It looks like they were going to join Jas. Crawford, 19 Beach St., New York. It looks like "Brother" is written above Jas.' name.
I have seen Janet used as a nickname for Jean, so maybe Janet & Jeanie are one in the same? It looks like Janet's age might be a few years' off from someone born 1887, though.
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1920 Census, Yonkers, Westchester Co., New York, 138 Webster Ave.
Telford, Maggie, rents home, female, white, age 63, widowed, immigrated 1906, alien, b. Scotland, parents b. Scotland, no occupation
daughter Jean, female, white, age 23, single, immigrated 1906, alien, b. Scotland, parents b. Scotland, no occupation
cousin John Crawford, male, white, age 62, widowed, immigrated 1874, naturalized 1892, b. Scotland, parents b. Scotland, shipping clerk - carpet mills
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1910 Census, Yonkers, 126 Oliver Ave.
Telford, Maggie, head, female, white, age 64, widowed, mother of 5 children – all living, b. Scotland, parents b. Scotland, immigrated 1906, no occupation
Daughter Jennie, female, white, age 23, single, b. England, parents b. Scotland, immigrated 1906, no occupation
Cousin John C. Crawford, male, white, age 54, widowed, b. England, parents b. Scotland, immigrated 1872, naturalized, shipping clerk – carpet shop
3 boarders were also living with them.
There's a naturalization record for a Jeannie Paterson Telford listed in the index here: http://www.westchestergov.com/wcarchives/ Maybe that's Jeanie?
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Also on ellisland.org is a trip that Jennie Telford took in 1911.
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Thank you so much, Shelley, that is very useful. I need to digest this now and try and track down John C Crawford. Looking at the ship's manifest you pointed me to, I am wondering whether it might actually say 'Jno Crawford' - or perhaps there are brothers, John and James? When George Patterson Telford travelled out to New York in 1895 his contact in New York is pencilled in on the manifest as 'Friend: Crawford' so I would think this is the same person, or same family.
Unfortunately Crawford is not a name that has cropped up anywhere yet in this family, and there are many John Crawfords born in Scotland. Things are complicated by the Telfords coming from Berwickshire, and sometimes being recorded on English records, sometimes on Scottish ones. I might need to work backwards from arrival in New York in 1874.
Margaret's youngest child was a daughter named Jeanie or Jeannie; she definitely went out to Yonkers and died there in 1966, but I don't know when she went out. She could have travelled with her mother in 1906, but she was definitely born 1887, so would have been 19 in 1906.
I don't think Janet and Jeanie/Jeannie are the same person - letters from Margaret mention both 'Janet' and 'Jean' being with her in Yonkers. I had wondered if Janet was an illegitimate child born before Margaret married - she does not appear on any of the census records with Margaret and her husband Alexander.
Margaret and Janet have given their ages as 44 and 23 on arrival in NY; Margaret was definitely born 1850, but is clearly very vague about her age (44 in 1906, 64 in 1910, and 63 in 1920). Janet's age appears always as 23, which can't be right, unless she is giving her age on arrival in US?
I may need to come back to you for more help, but thank you very much indeed for this very useful information.
Best wishes,
Lesley
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I found Margaret's arrival in New York Apr 17, 1906, looks like going to Jno Crawford, 19 Beach St., New York. Her age is 44 which is incorrect as she was born Apr 23, 1848. Daughter Janet was born July 1882 unverified and daughter Jeannie was born Apr 10, 1886. Janet later married John Booth Smith, probably soon after arrival, since they had a son Alexander Aug 22, 1908 in Yonkers.
Can anyone tell me more abt Margaret or John Crawford? Thank you.
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What extra information are you looking for on Margaret Johnston born 1848 Chirnside. Berwick / Telford ? Obit/Death Notice 1923
Married to Alexander Nesbitt Telford (which we mentioned on the other thread)
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The original post is from 2009, so they might have gotten everything straightened away since then. Also, the original poster was last active on this site in 2012, so not sure if they will be coming back.
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Thank you shellyesq. I do have Margaret's birth and death so have her parents' names. I don't know what became of her father William after 1848 as he can't be found. Would love to know the parents of William.
As for John Crawford, I can't sort out the relationship, other than it says cousin to Margaret in 1910 and 1925 in Yonkers. Would like to know how he is a cousin.
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Hello Sandra, I have a thought about John Crawford which could be totally wrong. Wonder if he was born John Crawford Smith, Aug 2, 1855 and later dropped the Smith part.
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Using the 1856 birth year, here were a couple on Scotlands people. Of course if he was born earlier we might not find anything for him.
Caldwell was used as a middle name - could be a possible ?? (Where did Caldwell come from?)
Scotland's people shows:-
John Campbell Crawford - M - 1855 - 564 / 3 / 317 -
Greenock Old or West
parent :-
Father Andrew Crawford
Mother Margaret Campbell
John Charles Crawford - Woodruff - - M - 1857 - 685 / 1 / 145 -
Dean, Boroughmuirhead and Morningside.
parents :-
Father Thomas Crawford
Mother Mary Anne Cherry
John Cunningham Crawford - M - 1857 - 581/193 Beith (Ayr)
There are more................
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Caldwell was the middle name for John Caldwell Johnston who married Mary Barbour. She died in Yonkers in 1915 but he died in Montclair New Jersey in 1938.
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Those are just a few thought of john Crawford's with middle names "C" to check.
Apart from your John Caldwell Johnston we looked for on the other thread, what other link, if any does the Caldwell link have to the Johnston family. Does it pop up anywhere else ?
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I will check the Caldwell name out , with regard to a Johnston connection.