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Would someone mind looking up the marriage Henry Knowles to Sarah Firth at Barnoldswick on 24 Sep 1820
I am trying to find the birth of either party and am hoping the record may give me some clues. Thanks Jean
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Pre 1837 marriage records only give the couples names, status, whether of the parish and witnesses.
No ages or parents names are given unfortunately :(
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Hi,
If you looked in the 1851 census, assumin they were still alive then, you'd see where each of them was born [or said he was born] , then you could go to those parish records and hopefully find a baptism that gives at least the father's name.
Worth a try. ;D
charlotte
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A stab in the dark not knowing any other details but found this in 1851
HO107/2343/217/25
Tinsley, Yorkshire.
Manor House.
Joshua Knowles h.m. 47 Agent & Farmer b. Yorks, Hunslet
Elizabeth wife 41 b Lancs, Oldham
Thomas son 12 b Sheffield
Henry Knowles brother widower 53 Invalid b Yorks, Hunslet
Sarah Jane niece 18 b Leeds
Eliza Margaret niece 10 b Yorks. ?
Elizabeth Lindsey servant 15 b Sheffield
IGI extracted record
Henry Knowles b. 14.5.1797 ..... ch. 11.6.1797 Hunslet .... father Thomas.
There are about 10 siblings listed as born to Thomas but there could be more than one Thomas Knowles in Hunslet, no mothers names are given :(
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Well done Patrish ;D ;D
charlotte
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Thanks Charlotte, but I cant find them in 1841 :(
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There is a Henry and Sarah Knowles living in Burnley Union in 1941with their family. There are other members of the household but I cannot make out if they are related.
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There is an excellent site, One Guy From Barlick, google that or OGFB, , it is a forum site covering a broad spectrum of live and anecdotes over the years in Barnoldswick and the local area, amongst the items in the forum is a genealogy section, well worth a post for a look up in that section, but beware the site is like this one, contagious.
bodger
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There is a Henry and Sarah Knowles living in Burnley Union in 1941with their family.
I had seen that one. It gives Henry as born in the Lancashire . ??? but that could be wrong :-\
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Hello,
thought this was familiar ;) just a bit on this thread re the family
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,415123.0.html
1841 and 1851 mentioned.
heywood
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Thanks for that Heywood :)
It would appear from that Henry was born in Lancashire .
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From what I recall, the family were manufacturers or something I think. Perhaps there was a will which may give a few clues.
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Thanks everyone for your help The trouble is this family seem to change their names when they feel like it. Also their place of birth. I think that Norman has an alias anyway. You have given me food for thought. I will soldier on. If you come across anything else let me know Thanks Jean
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The problem is (I think ) that there are two Norman Knowles in 1871 one born 1826 -the Henry and Sarah Firth one (again it's just my thinking) and one born 1830 who is a hawker which often presents problems in cases of registration etc.
Does this Norman ever show up again? I know it says that Harriet is a widow in 1881 but :-\
Do the children's birth certificates all have the father as Norman? I'm aswering my own questions here - just seen Family Search with the children's baptism- so yes he does have Norman :-\
The last child was baptised July 1879 so, assuming he was present, there would be a period of about eighteen months for his death before 1881 census.
There are other groups of Knowles around Settle area - however no Norman.
heywood
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For the record Barnoldswick was in Yorkshire (West Riding) until the boundary changes of 1972, when it was swallowed up by Lancashire, hence all the old BMD records and census forms will show Yorkshire but most of the transcriptions were done after the changes and many transcribers have changed it to Lancashire.
Some transcribers made huge errors when trying to read the old handwriting and got surnames hopelessly wrong which makes them difficult to find. For small villages I just search for the exact village name and get to see all the records for the village for each year, then use occupations and childrens' ages to match up families. Young girls often became servants for nearby families and young boys followed the fathers footsteps.
Actual Parish records have a lot more information than what is transcribed so it is worth studying them in detail. One of my GGGGrandmothers took the children for baptism and gave her address as living at the bottom of the fish market! Such was life 200 years ago.