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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: rdarby on Thursday 12 November 09 11:55 GMT (UK)
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Hi all, can anyone decipher/recognise the name of this place in Aberdeenshire, probably in the parish of Monquhitter, but I'm not sure about that! I thought it looked like Hettie or something, but can't find anything like it.
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Hi rdarby
The word looks like "Keltie" to me - but I only know of Kelty in Fife, and Keltie Bridge in Callander Parish, (was Perthshire now in Sterlingshire, I believe) Does the context of the text make it clear this place is in Aberdeenshire?
Any chance of more of the document to compare capital H or K or R elsewhere?
Cheers
AMBLY
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The word looks like Rettie to me, but I don't know whether that is an area in Aberdeenshire. I tried a google search and there seem to be a lot of people called Rettie in the area, but I only came individual properties called Rettie - not an area.
Maybe you could look for another capital R is that document too? :)
Karen
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I have rescanned and resized the document, so here goes! Note another place named - Sealscrook - I assume is nearby.
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Hi rdarby,
Looks like Rettie to me too.
The man was asked where tha cattle came from so could well be a person rather than a place as Karen suggested.
The man mensions his Master also so it could be him.
Hope this helps,
Matt.
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After reading the whole thing - I agree, Rettie is more likely Crofter's name or a Croft name rather than a 'town'. Also agree it's ettie at least (the double 't' in 'cattle' above is the same) - but my jury was out on whether it was a K or a R, but I agree probably R, now!
I see from 1841, George Duiguid, Crofter, of the right sort of age - is enumerated in Village of Cummestown, Monquhitter.
A number of RETTIE's in Monquhitter 1841. I see a couple who, by occupation could be possible: John RETTIE a Farm overseer at Hairmoss ; Or there is Adam RETTIE an AG Lab also in Cummestown....?
Reference here (1700's) to 'Sealscroak' Farm, abt half a mile from Monquhitter
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/c/r/e/Nedra-A-Creamerinnerarity/FILE/0025text.txt
But here it I think it's the same place referred to as 'Sealscrook' an address in 1700's Cuminestown Monquhitter which still exists to this day (2002) in this link:
http://genforum.genealogy.com/ironside/messages/128.html
Hairmoss is in Parish of Monquitter near Turriff
http://newsarch.rootsweb.com/th/read/ABERDEEN/2001-08/0999184875
Map showing proximity of Cummestown & Turriff
http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/scotgaz/towns/townmap185.html
Cheers
AMBLY
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Thanks to you all, I'll take it as "Rettie". These old documents are fascinating, even if I do have to stop and look up all the old place names, its a learnng curve!
Only another 100 pages or so to go..
having fun, Roger
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Further to the above, I have found on an old map tha was associated with the above document, a place called Reattie, not far from Banff, but I can't see it on the OS maps.
Maybe a farm, or the name has changed..
Roger
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It's part of Boyndie in 1841 census http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~banff1841/Banffshire%20places%20-%201841%20census.html
... so possibly nowadays known as Rettie http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?X=363500&Y=863500&A=Y&Z=120
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Just came across your query, and thought I'd make a couple of points of interest.
My Great Grandmother, Wilhelmina Cruickshank, was born at Sealscrook, Monquitter in 1864, the daughter of William Cruickshank and his wife Margaret Sinclair. William was a widower when he married Margaret, and interestingly his first wife was Christian Rettie, (possibly the daughter of Adam Rettie) with whom he had 10 children in Monquitter.
Don't know if there is any connection between them and your document, but thought that it was interesting non-the-less!
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Thanks for your comment. I don't know if there is a connection, Rettie looks a bit out of the way from the area nearer of Turriff where most of the events of this incident were unfolding, but who knows for sure. What I did notice from your post that you are interested in the name of Geddes, and one of the witnesses was John Geddes, described as a drover (1843) - any connection there?
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Hi. Thanks for your reply. I have several John Geddes' in my family, (my particular branch being farmers rather than the fishermen usually associated with the Geddes name around Banffshire) including a John Geddes who was born in Rathven round about 1797. He was an agricultural labourer, so don't know if there is an connection with the John Geddes that you mention or not. Interesting if there was!!
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The JOhn Geddes I was referring to described himself as "about thirty years of age" in 1843, and he was a drover. It may not be the same one as you referred to , but could be related. i could scan the document and post it if you are interested.
Roger
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Hi Roger
Many thanks for your reply. The age that John Geddes gave himself as being in the document doesn't fit into my immediate family (that I am aware of), but I would be very interested in seeing the document, if you wouldn't mind posting it, I would be very grateful. As you say, he may well be related. I have found in the past that information that I gathered years ago, does occasionally fit into the family tree after all!
Many thanks,
Catriona
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Catriona,
I am attempting to attach a page of the document, if successful will add more...
oops..sorry didn't want to show heading , but don't know how to resize it now..
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No heading on this one! This is p2
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Roger
Very many thanks for this. Quite an interesting tale! Don't have any further evidence of a connection with this John Geddes, but you never know!
Thanks again
Catriona
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Hi Aberdeenshire Document will have ref area no , so you should beable to find the area
Yours Helen
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Thanks very much for the advice. Catriona
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Hi Catriona I you need more help on the ref area get back to me have book on the ref ,s
for scotland
yours Helen
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Hi Helen, thank you very much for the offer of help, and I would be very grateful if I could take you up on this. Kind regards, Catriona
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Hi Catriona
I see that you have the name "Gray" listed in your areas of research.
We have distant Gray's living in Monquhitter / Tyrie / New Pitsligo / Cuminestown around the 1800's. Mary Gray (born 22nd September 1796 in Cuminestown) married a John Clark and subsequently had 12 children and lived in New Pitsligo. Our family branch is from this side.
There might be some connection, or as so often is the case, not!!
regards
Gaz
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Hi catriona
1851 census
119 High Street Tyrie New Pitsligo
Mary Clark born1797 Monquhitter Aberdeenshire
John Clark born1787 Monquhitter inn Keeper & Chelsea Pensioner
Mary Clark born1827 House servant Daughter
Hellen Clark born1829 House servant Daughter
William Clark born 1831 son Mill Wright Journyman
Joseph Clark born 1835 son Farm Labourer
Forbes Clark born 1839 son
Stewart clark born1841 tyrie
Alexander Clark born1829 Vistor Mason Journeyman
Janet Clark born 1832 House Servant Fraserburgh
William Walker born1823 Mason Journeyman Lodger
yours John
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Hi John, Gaz
Many thanks for your posts, I don't have any Clarks in my family I'm afraid John, and unfortunately Gaz, my Gray family came from Aberdeen, prior to that Torry (Nigg) and prior to that Old Machar (Aberdeen). Haven't got any further than that (1774) but if I find any connection with my Grays and Cummingston, I'll get back in touch.
All the best
Catriona
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Hi Catriona and John
Thanks for your posts, comments and news.
Amazing that RootsChat is like the proverbial wave - sometimes it gets great momentum, other times (like since 2009) it is flat like glass.
I will look at my research John and see if any of the characters you have mentioned in your post are missing form what I have found.
Appreciate your input and time to rteply.
regards
Gaz
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hi Gaz do youn live near melbourne australia could you help me or tell me how can get info from there
yours Helen
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Hi Helen
Thanks for your message.
We live in Brisbane, so its about a+30 hour drive. Mind you it's easier to fly!!!!
Are you trying to find information on relatives who lived in Victoria? You can try the following which is brilliant with directing you in the right direction
www.cyndislist.com
It is a good source of contacts Helen, so might could be a good starting point. If you need other contacts like BDM's etc, please let me know and possibly start a new post, so that your research does not get lost amongst Aberdeenshire.
regards
Gaz
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Hi Gaz looked at that page but dont seem to get what looking for as its after 1967
yours Helen