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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Gloucestershire => Topic started by: Gidnurg99 on Thursday 26 November 09 11:45 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I am looking for any help/advice on finding any information on my Great Great Grandfather William Sage. All I know is as follows:
1.) William moved to Waterford, Ireland sometime prior to 1865. In 1865 he married Anastasia Long in a Roman Catholic Cathedral. On the marriage cert. his age is 37 (therefore year of birth is approx. 1827), his condition is that of widower, his profession is Cabinet Maker and his Father's name is also William Sage who was a grocer.
2.) In the 1911 Irish census, he has his age down as 86 (therefore year of birth is approx. 1825). His place of birth is down as Bristol (no other information).
3.) I got a photograph of a Rebecca Osborne from a family member. Written on it is “Rebecca Osborne (nee Sage)”. The photo was taken by Villiers & Quick, 52 Park St, Bristol. I discovered on the LDS site that Rebecca married a Thomas Francis Osborne in 1847 at Holy Trinity, Bristol. The father of the bride's name is William Sage. This may suggest that Rebecca is my William's sister.
I have been unable to find anything else on my online searches but this may be due to lack of experience.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
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Rebecca can indeed be seen with Father William (a 'Merchant') and Mother Maria in the 1841 census. No siblings are however present.
HO107; Piece 378; Book: 4; Civil Parish: St Philip and St Jacob; County: Gloucestershire; Enumeration District: 9; Folio: 8; Page: 11
There are some Williams of an age, but none are cabinet makers (basket maker was the closest) assuming he was still in the Bristol area.
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Hello Gidnurg99, welcome to RootsChat
Here's Rebecca
HO107/378 book 4, folio 8, page 11
Stapleton Road, Beaufort Buildings
Sage Wm 65 Merchant No
Sage Maria 50 - No
Sage Rebecca 15 - Yes
Worgan Ann 55 F.S. Yes
Yes/No = if born in county
Ages above 15 in 1841 census are rounded down to nearest 5
Susan
Mort29 pipped me to the post :)
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Possibly the servant is Ann Morgan???
Suz
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IGI extracted
Rebecca Sage
christened 10 Aug 1823 St Peters Bristol
Parents William Sage/Susan
There is quite an age difference between William and Maria in 1841 -so it is possible maria was 2nd wife
the only William I can find is
William valentine Sage
c 10Dec 1826 Bristol
parents Abraham Sage/Maria
Suz
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Suz - Maria was a second wife :)
From the BVRI
William Sage = Maria Nash Ash
26th February 1827, Bristol St. George
Notes: Husband previously married
Wife previously married
FHL Film 1596528
Susan
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There are some Williams of an age, but none are cabinet makers (basket maker was the closest) assuming he was still in the Bristol area.
I think we can disount the William who was a basket maker in 1841 -as(what looks like) he is visiting the Linton family in 1851 and he is described as blind.
William Valentine -there is a William V on 1861 census who may be him.
well done, Susan, confirming my "guess"
Gidnurg, do you know of any children William had from his first marriage
Suz
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Possibly the servant is Ann Morgan???
I'm confident it's Worgan
Susan :)
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Hi All,
Firstly thanks to everyone for the help. It is much appreciated.
To summarise (for my own clarity) what you have discovered:
1.)William (Snr) Sage first wife was Susan Sage.
2.)They had daughter Rebecca in 1823.
3.)William (Snr) Sage remarried to Maria Nash Ash in 1827.
4.)William, Maria and Rebecca appear in the 1841 census.
It's interesting to discover that William (Snr) first wife was Susan as my William (Jnr) had a child with Anastasia Long in Waterford, Ireland which they named Susan.
Also interesting to note that William (Snr) was not born in England according to the 1841 census. This may take me back to Waterford, Ireland. I had wondered why/how William Jnr had ended up in Waterford.
Suz, I am not aware of any other children that William had from his first marriage.
Once again thanks all for the help. Great forum by the way.
Gidnurg
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Also interesting to note that William (Snr) was not born in England according to the 1841 census. This may take me back to Waterford, Ireland. I had wondered why/how William Jnr had ended up in Waterford.
According to the census William was born in England (or Wales), i.e. under heading Whether born in same county it states No. There is no tick in the box under the heading Whether born Scotland, Ireland or Foreign Parts.
Of course, what is recorded on the census could be wrong :-\
Susan :)
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Also interesting to note that William (Snr) was not born in England according to the 1841 census. This may take me back to Waterford, Ireland. I had wondered why/how William Jnr had ended up in Waterford.
According to the census William was born in England (or Wales), i.e. under heading Whether born in same county it states No. There is no tick in the box under the heading Whether born Scotland, Ireland or Foreign Parts.
Of course, what is recorded on the census could be wrong :-\
Susan :)
Ah I see. Thanks for pointing that out Susan.
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Hi,
I am looking for any help/advice on finding any information on my Great Great Grandfather William Sage. All I know is as follows:
1.) William moved to Waterford, Ireland sometime prior to 1865. In 1865 he married Anastasia Long in a Roman Catholic Cathedral. On the marriage cert. his age is 37 (therefore year of birth is approx. 1827), his condition is that of widower, his profession is Cabinet Maker and his Father's name is also William Sage who was a grocer.
2.) In the 1911 Irish census, he has his age down as 86 (therefore year of birth is approx. 1825). His place of birth is down as Bristol (no other information).
3.) I got a photograph of a Rebecca Osborne from a family member. Written on it is “Rebecca Osborne (nee Sage)”. The photo was taken by Villiers & Quick, 52 Park St, Bristol. I discovered on the LDS site that Rebecca married a Thomas Francis Osborne in 1847 at Holy Trinity, Bristol. The father of the bride's name is William Sage. This may suggest that Rebecca is my William's sister.
I have been unable to find anything else on my online searches but this may be due to lack of experience.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Hi,
I am looking for any help/advice on finding any information on my Great Great Grandfather William Sage. All I know is as follows:
1.) William moved to Waterford, Ireland sometime prior to 1865. In 1865 he married Anastasia Long in a Roman Catholic Cathedral. On the marriage cert. his age is 37 (therefore year of birth is approx. 1827), his condition is that of widower, his profession is Cabinet Maker and his Father's name is also William Sage who was a grocer.
2.) In the 1911 Irish census, he has his age down as 86 (therefore year of birth is approx. 1825). His place of birth is down as Bristol (no other information).
3.) I got a photograph of a Rebecca Osborne from a family member. Written on it is “Rebecca Osborne (nee Sage)”. The photo was taken by Villiers & Quick, 52 Park St, Bristol. I discovered on the LDS site that Rebecca married a Thomas Francis Osborne in 1847 at Holy Trinity, Bristol. The father of the bride's name is William Sage. This may suggest that Rebecca is my William's sister.
I have been unable to find anything else on my online searches but this may be due to lack of experience.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
hi
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Hi gidnurg... william sage (born 1824) is also my great great grandfather.. i am from waterford in ireland. I can confirm that william sage married twice, his first marraige was to Mary Haberlin, they had six children and only two of these survived to adulthood. mary died in 1865. He then remarried also in 1865!! to Anastasia Long and they went on to have seven children and also only two of these children survived to adulthood..one of those children was Susan, which is my great grandmother.
Rebecca Osbourne nee Sage is your great great grandfathers sister, she was born in 1823..She was the first born from a family of six.
She never moved to Waterford she stayed in Bristol with her grandfather until she married.. She had no children..
William and Rebeccas parents were.. William Sage and Susannah(Susan)Perry
and are both buried in the Abbey Church Ferrybank Waterford..Hope this helps.
H
H
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Hi Waterford,
This helps a lot. I didn't know about Mary Haberlin or Susannah Perry. Also I didn't realise that William's father William was buried in Waterford. Thanks.
Susan is also my great grandmother. :)
She had a son Niall W Kelly who is my grandfather.
Thanks again
G
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hi gidnurg99'
We are delighted ;D that you saw our post! We are Marie Kellys grandchildren..We have a lot more information for you and perhaps you might be able to fill in a few gaps for us....
It is only recently that we have started to research the whole family tree in greater detail...
It was great to hear from you..
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Hello again - I have sent you a message my contact details.
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Hi Gidnurg99
We have also emailed you with our contact details.
Hope to hear from you soon
bye for now
Waterford
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Hello,
I can help you go back 2 more generations as I am also related to this family but to your William's father's brother Samuel SAGE.
Your ancestor William SAGE was born on the 24th March 1824 and baptised 30 Jan 1825 at St Peter, Bristol: son of William SAGE and Susannah PERRY who married at Dundry in 1820. Rebecca OSBORNE is indeed William's sister but she didn't emigrate to Ireland with the rest of the family.
William SAGE senior was the son of William and Ann (possibly WILLIAMS) and he was baptised at St Peter, Bristol in 1801.
Contact me for more
Karen
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Hi Karen,
I have sent you a PM.
Thanks,
Bryan
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Bryan, Karen can't receive or send PMs until she has three posts to her name. Two more replies on here........ ;)
Susan :)
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Thanks Susan. I didn't know that.
Karen - if you could post 2 more replies I will send you my email address.
Thanks
B
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Susanna PERRY was the daughter of William Elkanah PERRY and Susannah LORD. She was baptised in Uley aged 18 so perhaps they were non-conformists.
Karen
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William SAGE 1824 followed his father in the family grocery business. He was a corn and bacon factor and apparently also a ship owner.
There are several other people researching this branch of the SAGE family.
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Hi Everyone,
When exactly did William Sage marry Anastasia Long (ie day and month). And was William married before Anastasia in Bristol, were did he train to be a Cabinet Maker in the city?
John Rogers
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Hello William married Anastasia on the 10 July 1865 according to Sage family records that I have been given. His previous marriage was to Mary Haberlin on the 7th July (I don't have a year for this).
William had family in the wood trade including his Uncle Samuel and definitely his cousin Henry Sage so perhaps he was more interested in wood work than in his father's grocery business. He went bankrupt in 1826 and probably emigrated at about that time. However, he kept up correspondance with his sister Rebecca and Irish Sage families knew of their Bristol relatives.
What is your interest in this family?
Karen
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Hi,
One more point are you saying William Sage Snr left Bristol in 1825 for Waterford. If so, where did William Sage Jnr learn his trade as a Cabinet Maker in Bristol or Waterford and where did he marry Mary Haberlin. As to why I'm interested in William Sage it because I'm writing and Irish Furniture Trade directory from 1650-1901.
PS I discovered a James Sage (Cabinet Maker) getting married in Waterford in 1855 (how is he related to William).
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Hello again,
William Sage 1801 probably left Bristol after 1831 when he last baptised a child in Bristol. Most likely he arrived in Waterford 1831-1835 when the next children were likely born in Ireland.
The James Sage you mention is likely his son- he certainly had children from 1855 onwards.
If you send me your email, I can put you in touch with some descendants of this line
Karen
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Hi,
Do you have any idea when William Sage married Mary Haberlin (and was it a Church of Ireland or Roman Catholic wedding), I only ask this because James Sage was married Church of Ireland and William Sage is mention as Roman Catholic in the 1901 and 1911 census.
Yours John
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What did William Sage Snr do in Waterford (was he a Grocer?)
John
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Hello John,
William Sage 1801 was Church of England in Bristol and his father was a church warden. His wife may have been a non-conformist as she was baptised aged 18. His son William jr 1825 was baptised in the Church of England but must have converted.
I don't know what William Senior did in Ireland- perhaps you could try looking at local directories.
Best wishes
Karen
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One more point I need to clarify, earlier posts in the tread seem to say that William Sage Snr is listed in the 1841 English Census (is this the William Sage born in 1801 not the one born in 1823), because I thought the family moved to Ireland in the early to mid 1830s.
John
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The William Sage listed in the census is William Sage's (1801) father. He was also William Sage and was born in 1772.
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Unfortunately all the census information on William Sage in Bristol is INCORRECT ... I know this from my own research for my Family tree on my Father's side of the family and my Mothers side of the family and William Sage is a direct ancestor 7 generations on my fathers side of the family ... let me explain
William Sage married an Unknown Woman whose maiden was ''Edge'' they had a daughter together called ''Hester Sage born 1820 in Dundry, Somerset, England, United Kingdom and she died 27th August 1883 in Bedminster, Bristol aged 63{Dundry is a village between Bristol and Chew Valley Lake in Somerset}.
Hester Sage on 24th September 1837 she married a man called John Adam Baber he was born March 15th 1813 and died 8th January 1884 aged 70 in Bedminster, Bristol {this is where i hit a blank wall re: The Sage and Edge Family with my research done via the My Heritage website}
John Adam Baber and Hester Sage had a daughter called Jane Baber and she Jane married a name called John Richard Norris{s} born 1825 in Recliffe, Bristol.
John Richard Norris{s} and Jane Norris{born Baber} had a son called Alfred John Norris{s} born 3rd August 1863 in Victoria Square, Bristol and died 9th February 1948(at age 84) in Bedminster Bristol and he married a lady called Eliza Eddy born 1867 and she died 10th October 1936 in Taunton, Somerset