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Dear listers
I have two requests, if someone is able to help me:
1. If anyone is going to the Wiltshire Record Office, would they mind having a look at the will for Robert CANDY of Sedgehill in 1808 (Ref No. P2/1808/42) I am interested to see who he mentions as his children and beneficiaries.
2. I am intrigued by a James CANDY, born about 1754, died in March 1796 in Sedgehill. He married Rachel TROUBRIDGE on 27 Sep 1779 at Sedgehill, and they had eight children (the youngest one, Charles, being born after James died). The question is: where was James from?
Any help or suggestions would be very gratefully received.
Kind regards and thanks in advance
Phil Candy
Toowoomba, Australia
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Hi Phil
I'm happy to do the Will lookup for you sometime in the next couple of weeks.
Regarding James, I presume you have eliminated Sedgehill for a baptism and if he left a Will it gives no clues as to his origin. Although I live close to the WSRO I'm not a native of Wiltshire and my local geography is pretty poor, hopefully someone else will be able to give you guidance on adjoining parishes and population movements 250 years ago.
regards
Jane
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Many thanks Jane. That's really kind of you. From what I've been able to figure out, Robert's wife died back in 1782, so if he left a Will 26 years later, it seems likely that he would have mentioned at least some of his children.
I can't say that I've eliminated Sedgehill as a place for James to have come from. But I have cast a pretty wide net for sources that are already online, so I'm hoping that someone may have already done some research into that family or else have access to transcripts that can't (yet) be searched from here. For instance, the coverage of freereg for Wiltshire seems a bit patchy at present.
In any case. I hope someone will spot this request for help; in the meantime, many thanks for being willing to have a look at Robert CANDY's Will for me (weather permitting!)
I'll look forward to hearing from you again.
Kind regards
Phil Candy
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Hello again Phil
Robert CANDY very scratchily signed his Will on 17th July 1802 at which time he was describing himself as a yeoman.
Although quite easy to read I found it confusing, hopefully with your knowledge of the family it will make more sense to you. The spelling is also quite variable, with the same words being written in a variety of ways! I looked at the original document because it's not been digitised yet but it will be eventually, at which point you'll be able to order a copy online. Or if you want a photocopy before that, I believe the record office will do this for you and post it out to you snail mail, not sure of their charges though. As you're overseas they might be prepared to email you a photocopy. The Will is only one page (would need to be copied onto A3) and the same for the administration.
beneficiaries:
daughter Marys (sic) ??? could be Elzth, word "seven" written above - age? - £20 cash
daughter Elisabeth Brachers, word "seven" written above, £20 cash
daughter Sarah Baker £150
son in law Jno Brachor £30
son John Candy one shilling
daughter Martha Lush one shilling
son Robert Candy of East Knoyle £100 in trust
"remains over and above parted in 6 partments to my six (word "six" struck out) sons and daughters."
Something about utterly disallow Brooks and Disamul (???), I couldn't make a lot of sense of it, perhaps a reference to an earlier Will that favoured these individuals.
At the end there is a note about grandchildren which only makes sense to me if the two individuals named first on the Will are grand-daughters rather than daughters.
"As for my grandchildren at their several respective ages of 21 years and in case any or either of my grandchildren shall die under the age my Will and meaning is that the survivors shall be entitled to the £20 intended for each child."
That's the essence of the Will.
Administration was granted 7th December 1808 to Robert Candy, "one of the lawful sons of the deceased and principal legatee named in the Will, no executor or executrix being appointed". Robert signed his acceptance (quite a neat signature).
Sadly I've not managed to find anything on James CANDY, there was no baptism indexed at Sedgehill, no Sarum marriage licence bond indexed for anyone by that name and (as I'm sure you know) no Will. If you have a FindMyPast subscription they have indices to death duty registers but not the death duty records themselves. FindMyPast does have a James CANDY marriage in Somerset in 1796, if he was a widower when he married Rachel that might be him, as Somerset adjoins Wiltshire and Sedgehill is pretty close to the Somerset border.
Best wishes
Jane
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Dear Jane
Thank you so much for this excellent and very helpful transcription.
It adds so much colour to what I had managed to glean from the Parish records. Imagine leaving just one shilling each to his children John and Martha, and one hundred pounds to Robert junior. That must say something about the family dynamics!
I am hugely grateful to you for doing this lookup for me, and for taking the time and trouble to post it all.
Kind regards
Philip Candy
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Hi Phil ... Hopefully you are still active
It sounds like you are referring to my 5th Great Grandfather, Robert Candy 1712-1808
He was born in Semley, Wiltshire and died in Sedgehill
Robert married Martha Collins (1720 - ???) in 1740 in Berwick St Leonards, Wiltshire
I have his father as also being Robert but no details - wife unknown
The family appears to have ended up in Donhead St Mary
I have 3 children from Robert and Martha
Martha 1747-1834 ... married William Lush in 1764
Robert 1749-1813
John 1752-1825
The eldest son, of Robert and Martha, Robert b1749 is my 4th ggf - he lived in East Knoyle and married twice
His first wife appears to have been Hannah Boyce from Somerset - they have 5 children, all born in Sedgehill
Robert's second wife was Ann Harding, from Woodstock, Oxfordshire - they had 5 boys, all born in East Knoyle. Their 4th son, Thomas, my 3rd ggf married a Carolina Boyce
The second son, of Robert and Martha, is John b1752
John also appears to have married twice, first to Mary Matthews and then Elizabeth Mathews
Robert became the tenant of Lower Berrycourt Farm in Donhead St Marys (200 acres)
The family remained occupier of Lower Berrycourt Farm for about 100 years
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From reference, this is the local geography
East Knoyle is about 6km West of Tilsbury and about 3km North East of Sedgehill
All three are small villages - East Knoyle pop. 1000, Tilsbury pop. 2000 & Sedgehill pop. 200
Semley is 4km South South East of East Knoyle
Donhead St Mary is 7km South South East of East Knoyle
Berwick St Leonard is 5km North East of East Knoyle
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Google Books (Robert CANDY, Sedgehill)
List of Officers in the Bengal Army, 1758-1834 - Part 1 - Page 299
'Just a snippet'
CANDY, Francis (1798-1831)
Captain, 64th N.I. bapt. Sedgehill Wilts, 19 August 1798
Cadet 1817 Ensign (?)
Lieut. 21 August 1818
Capt. 18 April 1829.
d Sloane St London : 3 MARCH 1831
Son of Robert CANDY
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Google Books:
Search: Candy East Knoll (a few 'hits')
Book by James Silk Buckingham 1826
DEATHS:
Jan 27
Of the wounds he received at Bhurtpoor, in his 20th year, Lieut. CANDY, youngest son of the late Mr CANDY of East Knoyle, Wilts.
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University of Oxford, Joseph Foster 1888
CANDY, Charles, s Robert of East-Knoyle, Wilts, gent
LINCOLN COLL, matrix 8 May 1817 aged 16
B.A. 1822
M.A 1824
Vicar of Shottermill, Surey 1830-1884
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The Law Times, Volume 37 - Page 14
1862
IN CHANCERY, between John CANDY plaintiff and Hannah CANDY (INFANT) and Charlotte CANDY, Widow, defendants -
East Knowle and Chricklade, Wilts,
Valuable Freehold, Copyhold and Leasehold Estate.
TO BE SOLD by AUCTION,
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etc etc.
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Thanks - Hadn't realised that searching Google Books is so fruitful
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The will of Robert Candy 1808 is on ancestry.
Daughter Mary's Essu 7 (issue) I think it means she has seven children
Daughter Elizabeth's Essu 5 (issue) again possibly 5 children.
I read Brooke and Desamul Cally to be the ones disallowed.
The local library usually has access at no cost to yourself.
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This one mentions a son James
John Candy probate 24 May 1826 of Donhead.
His wife Elizabeth
son William
son John
son Robert
son James *
son Charles
son Cornelius
dau. Martha
dau. Mary
If son William should die before then his share to go to his daughter Elizabeth.
Nephew John Candy of Chicklade is executor and a beneficiary
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The James mentioned above son of John and Elizabeth died 1827
His mother Elizabeth was named Executrix by the probate court, so he never married.
The odd thing is that it begins that Elizabeth is the widow of John Candy of Chicklade Wiltshire yeoman and John Candy of Donhead St Mary's Wiltshire.
The condition and obligation of Elizabeth Candy the lawful mother of James Candy late of Donhead St Mary's bachelor intestate.
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There are a number of hits on British Newspapers on Line for
CANDY - Cricklade
Salisbury and Winchester Journal
Monday 30 September 1811
COUNTY OF WILTS - GAME DUTY - List 1
A List of Persons who have obtained GENERAL CERTIFICATES at the rate of Three Guineas each for the year 1811
CANDY Robt. - Cricklade
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Wiltshire and Gloucestershire Standard
Saturday 11 June 1842
ALARMING FIRE
On Saturday morning, the 29th ult., during Divine Service, a destructive fire broke out at the farm of Mr John CANDY at Cricklade.
It appeared that the kitchen chimney of the dwelling house was within a few feet of the thatched roof of the granary and some sparks falling on the thatch, the whole building in a few minutes became a blaze; and the wind blowing hard, the barns, stables, ricks and everything that would burn, were in the course of three hours reduced to ashes.
The house which was exactly to windward of the flames, escaped damage; but the whole of the furniture was removed, as it was feared at one time that the house would also be consumed.
About 100 sacks of wheat & 80 sacks of beans were destroyed. Fortunately Mr Candy was insured in the Sun Fire Office.
On the breaking of the fire a man on horseback was despatched for an engine to Hindon, about three miles distant, and finding that none were kept there, be proceeded to Warminster, nine miles, from which place one of the town engines were instantly despatched with four post horses, and performed in 45 minutes but of course too late, under the circumstances, to prevent the progress of the fire.
It was however, under the direction of Mr Haden, the engineer, very beneficially used in extinguishing the burning ruins, large flakes from which were frequently carried a distance by the strength of the wind.
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Devizes and Wiltshire Gazette - Thursday 7 March 1844
Died: February 27 at Berwick St James, Mr Robert CANDY, late of Cricklade, Wilts.
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Having a look at British Newspapers on Line
CANDY, Sedgehill
Salisbury and Winchester Journal
Monday 12 March 1781
TIMBER
To be sold, TOGETHER IN LOTS, 29 remarkable fine ELMS, 76 ASHES, and 255 OAK TREES, great part of which are fit for naval uses; all standing in the parish of Sedgehill, in the County of Wilts, near a turnpike road which leads to Salisbury, Poole, &c.
For further particulars, enquire of Mr South, of Donhead, and for a view of the timber, of
Farmer CANDY of Sedgehill, aforesaid.
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There is another on Sherborne Mercury, Monday March 1800 which mentions Mr William CANDY at Sedgehill (amongst other names) again for the sale of timber.
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Various articles regarding the CANDY family of Donhead
This one is a sad one
WELLS JOURNAL - 13 August 1853
DEATHS
July 30, Mrs J CANDY, of Donhead Mill, Wilts, within two hours after giving birth to three female infants, who are doing well.
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Freebmd
September Qtr 1853 - Tisbury District (which includes Donhead St Mary)
births:
CANDY
Charlotte
Emma
Jane
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GRO INDEX
Shows mother's maiden name of the 3 girls as HASKELL
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GRO INDEX (Death)
CANDY Emma - Age at death: 24
GRO Reference: 1853 S Quarter in TISBURY UNION, Volume -5A : Page 129
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Emma HASKELL - born c 1829
As yet, can't find her marriage to CANDY
On the 1851 Census, Emma HASKELL aged 21 is living with her parents in Donhead St Mary. Her father, Henry, Draper, Grocer, Miller Farming 60 Acres of Land Employing 5 Labourers.
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There seems to have been clumps of Candys in various locations, sometimes quite nearby and often with similar names
There seems be two Robert Candys that died in 1808 - my line matches the one at the start of this thread, the one mentioned later doesn't seem related (a lot of unfamiliar names)
Cricklade is north of Swindon, 65km NE from East Knoyle so that appears to be a different set of Candys ... but interesting that John Candy of Cricklade is John Candy of Donhead's nephew
There is a village called Chicklade less that 5km NE of East Knoyle ... ???
The John Candy "probate 24 May 1826 of Donhead" is for the brother of Robert Candy - parents Robert Candy and Martha Collins. At present I would assume any nephew of John Candy was a son of Robert Candy, as I only have 3 children, the other one being Martha (married William Lush)
Robert Candy did have a son called John, b1787 (Mother Hannah Boyce) ... I haven't dug into that John
John Candy's second wife was Elizabeth (Mathews), possibly the sister of his first wife
I have 7 or the 8 children mentioned - all except William
I also have 1 child by his first wife (Mary) that was called Elizabeth
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... the farm of Mr John CANDY at Cricklade.
... a man on horseback was despatched for an engine to Hindon, about three miles distant
... proceeded to Warminster, nine miles
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There is a Hindon about halfway between East Knoyle and CHICKLADE (About 2km South)
Warminster is about 11km North of CHICKLADE (opposite direction to Hindon!)
Despite all the references to CRICKLADE, I can't help thinking everything points to CHICKLADE
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The odd thing is that it begins that Elizabeth is the widow of John Candy of Chicklade Wiltshire yeoman and John Candy of Donhead St Mary's Wiltshire.
That's a head scratcher - I have John Candy being in Donhead by 1790 (Baptism of the first child, Elizabeth by Mary) - The baptism was on 19/04/1790 and on the 28/04/1790 there is also a baptism for Henry, son of William and Martha Lush ... Martha being John's sister
John would have already been in Donhead when he married his second wife, Elizabeth
Is the statement indicating Elizabeth married twice, or is it a odd way of referring twice to the same John Candy
Note that in this instance the location is called "CHicklade", not "CRicklade"
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Useful list of baptisms in Donhead St Mary
https://sites.rootsweb.com/~engdorse/Donhead_St_Mary.html
Note that John Candy and Elizabeth Mathews last child, Cornelius does not appear in the list
He was baptised on 22 May 1808 in the local independent chapel, Bird Bush Independent
Bird Bush Independent was just 600m away across a field from Lower Berrycourt Farm in Donhead