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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Limerick => Topic started by: cherylg on Wednesday 10 February 10 10:17 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Can anyone help please.
I have just found out that my Husbands Grandmother was an O'Connor from County Limerick.
She was the sister of the O'Connor brothers that played Rugby for Garyowen Rubgy Club.
Can anyone point in the right direction as to where I can get any information about the Rugby playing O'Connor brothers?
Many thanks
Cheryl
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"Another great family linked to Garryowen were the O'Connors who won 49 senior cup medals beginning in the 1890's. Born in Athlunkard Street, Limerick, the seven brothers - Mick, Charlie, Jack, Thade, Joe, Bryan and Jim - set an impressive record with 47 medals between them. Jack with 11 had the most. His son, Mick, won 2 making the total: 49."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garryowen_Football_Club
If you google garryowen rugby club & o'connor you'll get lots of results.
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Hi
Thankyou, that is them.
Will take a look.
Rgds
Cheryl
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hi cheryl http://www.irishrugby.ie/ http://www.garryowenrugby.com/ the irish rfu and garryowen rugby club may be able to help.
neil
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here is another fact an attacking move is allso called a garryowen its a huge kick which the attacking team chase.
neil
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Hi Cheryl,
Mick was my grandfather. He had 3 girls and the youngest child (the golden boy) Sean is my Dad.
If you need any other info - please just ask and I'll try my best to get it for you.
Slán
Jean
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Hi Jean
Only just got back onto Rootschat today and noticed your post regarding the O'Connors from Limerick.
My Husbands Grandmother was Teresa O'Connor born c 1870 and I am sure its her brothers that played for GarryOwn Rugby Club. He father was Thomas O'Connor and her mother was Honora Culligan.
If you could make contact again I would be really grateful
Rgds
Cheryl
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Hi Cheryl,
I'll have to ask my Dad - I know we did do a family tree a few years before my Nana passed away - so we definitely have the information somewhere. But I'll ask him what he knows.
I always thought that the brothers' sister was a nun - I was way off there !
If its possible to send me a message directly and we can chat outside the chatroom if you like.
Thanks,
Jean
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Hi Cherly & Jean,
I've just come across your chat.
My grandfather was Thade O'Connor - though I never met him - my mother was Joan O'Connor. I have a fair bit of information about "my branch" of the family but my brother and sisters know more than I do. If you want to pursue this and exchange more information let me know and I'll do some homework.
Yodels,
Jack Casey
Cork
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Hi Jack
Yes I am really interested.
I am sure that there is a connection.
Do you know if Thomas O'Connor and Honora Culligan were the parents of the O'connor brothers who played for Garryowen?
As I said its only what I've been told I have no proof.
My Husband will be so chuffed if there is a connection as he is a big Rugby Fan especially Ireland.
Look forward to hearing from you soon and thank you for your help.
Rgds
Cheryl
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Hi Cheryl,
I don’t know the answer to your question. However my brother is going to register and contribute – he knows more than I do.
Unfortunately the news doesn’t seem to be good for your husband. My brother also says that the only sister was a nun.
In a different vein he thinks he played rugby against Jean’s father, the golden boy. (They’re were all golden boys in Limerick).
More later,
Jack
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Hi folks
My name is Michael and I am named after Mick and Jean is my first cousin. My mother Joan O'Connor is Mick's eldest daughter and golden boy Sean is my uncle.
As far as I know my grandfather and his brothers had the same Christian names as the previous generation. Not uncommon. However, there seems to be no Thomas in the family at any point. By the way the only sister was a nun, Mary I think.
Cheryl, you might be on a long shot here!
Regards
Michael
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Hello Cheryl,
An inherited old photo exists here in Cork showing Mother Dominic (apparently) - the only sister of the "O'Connor Brothers". Legend has it that she lived to be 100. Do you know where Thomas and Honora lived? We could check the 1901 census to see if anything turns up. Cousins perhaps?
Hello Michael,
We never knew that our Joan O'Connor had a first cousin of the same name. Have you seen the "Family Tree" that was prepared by a Joe O'Connor a few years ago?
Regards,
Jack Casey
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Hi Jack
Thanks for offering to help me.
I'm really struggling with the Guerin's and the O'Connors.
There were 3 Guerin Brothers,
Lawrence David Guerin born 1923 in Limerick Ireland died 1977 in Louth Lincolnshire, Ashes buried in Limerick.
Joseph Guerin born 1930 Limerick Ireland died about 1991 ?
The other brother is my Father in Law and is still alive so I am not posting his details.
They had a sister called Margaret who was born 1926 in Limerick and died in 4th Sept 1938 buried in Limerick.
Their parents were Teresa O'Connor and William Guerin.
Teresa's father was Thomas O'Connor and mother was Honora Culligan.
They were all of the RC Faith
I have been told that Teresa was sister or some sort of relation to the O'connor Brothers Rugby players.
I am not sure if this information is correct so any help you could give me would really be appreciated.
Rgds
Cheryl
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Hi Jack,
Didn't know a family tree had been produced. Would be very interested in seeing it however. Is there an electronic copy available?
Regards
Michael
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Cheryl,
Bear with me. I'm still on the case though progress is slow.
Michael,
Ditto above. I'm trying to enlist the efforts of my elders..........lots of interest but things not going as fast as I'd like. A Family Tree was done at some stage but how complete....and where it is now...........is work in progress. Certainly not electronic..................handwritten at best.
Rather than post snippets I'll try to gather as much as I can.
Jack
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Hey Cheryl,
Perhaps Honora was actually Hanora?
I've come across the death notice of Hanora O'Connor - died on 7/7/1914 at her daughter's house (name not given) at 3 Crescent Villas. Reference is made that she was formerly of Thomas Street, and wife of the late Thomas O'Connor? Finding them on the 1901 & 1911 census is proving difficult though.
Michael,
See this link ........................could we trace the 49 medals. There's one here in Cork.......only 37 to go.
http://www.limerick.com/news/archive/news310503b.html
Jack
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Hi Jack
Yes that looks like her,where did you find that?
Thank you so much
Rgds
Cheryl
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Hi Cheryl,
Here's the link:
http://www.limerickcity.ie/Library/LocalStudies/ObituariesdeathnoticesetcfromtheLimerickChronicle/Alphabeticallistingsofobituariesdeathnoticesetc/
Click on O - download - then scroll down in alphabetical order.
Yodels,
Jack
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Just an update here:
Cheryl - unfortunately I can find no further information for you after dabbling with this for 8 or 9 months. But I'm not giving up and will continue to see if I can come up with info but it will be some time yet. However thanks to you I have been tracing the FT of the O'Connor rugby players in an ongoing project - but it was you that lit the spark. Have you made any progress?
Michael - Memphis&Phoenix indeed. Perhaps you might drop me an email at : *
Jack
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Hi Cheryl,
Are you still working on this project? I recently came across the headstone of Honora O'Connor. I think that I have some interesting information for you.
Jack
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Hi Jack
Yes I.m still looking for info on the O'Connors and their connection to Garryowen Rugby Club.
Please get back to me.
Rgds
Cheryl
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Cheryl,
Teresa O'Connor was born on 25 June 1867. Her parents were Thomas O'Connor & Honora Culligan - they lived at 4 Athlunkard Street, Limerick. Thomas was a publican.
Teresa died on 8th May 1901 aged 31. In the 1901 census (April 1st) you can find her in St.John's hospital suffering from Rhuematic Fever. She was buried the following month under the name O'Connor - it appears that she never married. Her headstone reads "erected by Honora O'Connor in loving memory of her daughter Teresa O'Connor who died 8th May 1901, aged 31 years".
Whoever married William Guerin............it wasn't Teresa O'Connor (daughter of Thomas & Hanora).
Joseph Guerin (ref a previous post by you) died 27 April 1997 aged 65 years. He's burried in the same plot as Teresa.
So what O'Connor (and how related) did William Guerin marry?
......................I can find a William Guerin who might have married an Eileen O'Connor in 1920?
I've done an amount of work on the Garryowen O'Connors and I can't find any connection from that angle either!
Jack
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Hi Jack
Thank for the information.
Sorry I've not got back straight away but I have been checking what you posted.
Since I last made contact my Father in law William Desmond Guerin has sadly passed away, and we are coming over to Limerick at the beginning of June to bring his ashes to be placed in the family grave.
The family grave details tie in with what you found out.
In it are as you said are Teresa O'Connor, Lawrence David Guerin,Joseph Guerin, Eileen Guerin and Margaret Guerin. plus others which I'm not sure of.
Lawrence , Joseph and Margaret with siblings of my father in law.
Apparently the deeds for the grave are with a member of the family in Limerick.
I am thinking that Eileen Guerin ( nee O'Connor) must be a sibling of Teresa, I have found a birth for a James O'Connor ( 1871) who was also a son of Thomas O'Connor and Honoria Culligan but I can't find a birth for Eileen.
Can you help at all?
If I can get a copy of William Guerin and Eileen O'Connor marriage certificate it will give me her fathers name which might help.
Can you tell where in Limerick I can this document from?
Whilst over in Limerick I'm hoping to speak to an elderly relation to Guerin family that hopefully can shed some light on the Connection to Garryowen Rugby club.
Look forward to hearing from you soon, and thank you for all your help.
Rgds
Cheryl
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Cheryl,
I am so sorry to hear about the passing of your father in law.
I sent you a PM a couple of days after my post - did you receive it?
Jack
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Hi ack
No I didn't sorry.
I think I've found the connection with Garryowen.
Thomas O'Connor is where the connection lies.
Can you send me the PM again please.
Rgds
Cheryl
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Hello again,
Jack - have failed to make contact with you. Don't know if you are still tuned into this thread.
Would really like to see the family tree some time. Also, if you get a chance to pick up a new book 'Reflections on Limerick' by Denis O'Shaughnessy. Available from O'Mahony's book store (on-line). There is a full chapter on the sporting O'Connor's. Very informative.
best regards
Michael
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Hello,
I hope this thread is still being looked into.
I'm an O'Connor from that bunch of seven brothers.
I think Thade (or any of the other six) was my Great-Grandfather. My Grandfather was Jack who lived in the cottage beside Thomond Park with his wife Sadie - the site is the present Mayorstone Garda Station. They had two sons one of which was my father.
One brother played for Shannon and the other for Garryowen and I think it was a source of disagreement in the family. Hence I never took up the game as much as I loved to play it.
If there is any information available, I'd love to get a look at it - Family trees etc etc.
Thanks.
Brian
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Brian,
Your father must have been either Kevin or John?
Your grand-mother would have been Sadie McInerney, married to Jack O'Connor, son of Jack O'Connor - one of the seven?
Thade (my grand-father) would have been a great grand uncle to you.
Jack Casey
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Hello Brian
I knew your Grandfather Jack well and remember his house beside Thomond Park although I was never in it. My Grandfather was his older brother Michael (Mick). I knew Tadgh as well of course and their sister Mary who lived on the Dublin Road, was a favourite aunt of mine (my mothers aunt really). I have lots of info I would gladly share with you. This website doesn't like sharing of email addresses but if you look up my name on LinkedIN you will find my business contact details on there. Or check my company website (which is based in Germany) www.boomerang-retour.com
regards
Michael Noble
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Brian,
Your father must have been either Kevin or John?
Your grand-mother would have been Sadie McInerney, married to Jack O'Connor, son of Jack O'Connor - one of the seven?
Thade (my grand-father) would have been a great grand uncle to you.
Jack Casey
Hello Jack,
Thanks for the prompt response.
Yes, Kevin is my father who is still alive and kicking, John died just over five years ago, I'm afraid to report - in case you hadn't heard.
So Jack's father was Jack. So my great-grandfather was Jack. That clears that up. Thanks. I had always thought it was Thady -whom I now know to be a great-granduncle - thanks to you. Correct Sadie McInerney would have been my grandmother.
My uncle on my mothers side has her family traced back to the 1500s, I know that a lot of the McInerneys came from Ballyvaughan area of Co Clare.
Would you know where the O'Connors came from?
Perhaps we should private message each other in future. I'll send on my email address through a PM.
Thanks again Jack.
Regards
Brian
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Hello Brian
I knew your Grandfather Jack well and remember his house beside Thomond Park although I was never in it. My Grandfather was his older brother Michael (Mick). I knew Tadgh as well of course and their sister Mary who lived on the Dublin Road, was a favourite aunt of mine (my mothers aunt really). I have lots of info I would gladly share with you. This website doesn't like sharing of email addresses but if you look up my name on LinkedIN you will find my business contact details on there. Or check my company website (which is based in Germany) www.boomerang-retour.com
regards
Michael Noble
Hello Michael,
Thanks for your reply also.
That's fantastic news, I'll have a look at your website and contact you through there.
I can remember being at Tadgh's funeral - Don't ask me how old I was - but it was in St Joseph's Church - If I can remember correctly. I also remember hearing of Jack's sister Mary's death also, although that may not be a direct memory, but rather a memory of a story about her.
Thanks again for your reply,
Regards
Brian