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Hello all, My Great Great Grandmother was born in Woodnesborough, Summerfields, Kent: on 16th June 1881: her name being Eliza: on her birth certificate it states that her Father was William Attkins, Her Mother as Jane Attkins formerly Davidson. The reason l am a little stuck is that on her marriage certificate it states that she was a spinster and married Frederick James Burden on the 1st November 1913, as Eliza Fasoms. The only other information I have is that she was still living at Summerfields Woodnesborough on the day of her marriage, on the 1871 census the family name was Fassoms and in 1891 Eliza was named as a Fassom. Hoping someone can help solve this puzzle please. Maz
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i take it her birth cert is in the name of eliza attkins.
so how do you go from the marriage cert of fassoms to a birth for an eliza attkins?
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Thank you perth tiger.
I have both certificates, the marriage is an original, but the birth is a certified copy dated 27 August 1947. I was given them by my Auntie after my Nan passed as I had started the family tree. I'm wondering if the register office have got it wrong on the copy. Maz
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have you searched for eliza just using the info on the marriage cert? i assume that these details all check out from the marriage forward to the present.
did your aunt tell you anything about the different names, are they names that are known in the family.
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what was her fathers details on her marriage cert?
:) :)
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The marriage is on freebmd
Frederick J Burden to Eliza Fasoms dec qtr 1913 reg Eastry 2a 238
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Eliza Attkins b sep qtr 1881 Eastry 2a 909
I`m sorry but I have checked for another marriage for Jane Davidson to a Fasoms or Jane Attkins to a Fasoms fassoms......nothing on freebmd
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HI
The weird thing too is that William Fasoms bn circa 1835 who is shown as Eliza's father on the family census sheet married Jane Fasoms nee as William Atkins in Dec 1861 but on census he is shown as Fasoms (inc varients).
Wendy
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A Jane H Burden was born in Eastry in Jun 1916 with a mothers maiden name of Fasoms ref 2a 2079.
So she certainly seems to have discarded her original name for som reason?
Carol
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have any of you found eliza in 1911? i had a look and found her parents but no sign of eliza.
the other thought i had, and i would need to renew my subs to ancestry to look through the census. going by the ages of eliza's parents in 1911 her mother would have been 45 when she was born. while not unusual could she be william and jane's grandaughter and brought up as one of there own
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Hi
It looks like William ATKINS married Jane DAVISON Dec Qtr 1861 Eastry Reg Dist Vol 2a Page 1257
I can't see where the name FASSOMS comes from but all the censuses from the 1871 have a variation of it. In the 1871 census there is also a son George DAVISON who is probably Janes before her marriage. Its puzzling because all the kids I've checked were registered as ATKINS/ATTKINS right back to Charles in 1862.
I did wonder whether William was illigitimate and his parents surnames were ATKINS and FASSOMS.
Andy
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William Fassoms born c 1836 shows up in Thanington, Kent in 1841 with father William;
William Fassoms 30 ag lab
Elizabeth Fassoms 25
Eliza Fassoms 7
William Fassoms 5
Sarah Fassoms 2
all born in Kent
and in 1851 (transcribed as 'Furman') in Tilmanstone
William Fassoms W 40 ag lab Kent U K [unknown]
Eliza Fassoms daur 17 Tilmanstone
William Fassoms som 13 ag lab Tilmanstone
Sarah Fassoms daur 11 Tilmanstone
Jane Fassoms daur 8 Tilmanstone
[An Elizabeth Fassoms died in Eastry distict in 1846]
A birth of Sarah Elizabeth Fasoms was registered in Eastry district in June Q 1839, and of Jane Fassoms in September Q 1843.
There are corresponding baptisms at Tilmanstone shown on the IGI (Sarah Elizabeth shows up with surname 'Tassams'), showing the parents as William and Elizabeth.
It might be interesting to get one of the birth certificates to see what Elizabeth's maiden name is.
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Thank you perth tiger, garstonite, winston, carol8353, andycand & Galium. I have taken on board all that you have written and found it very useful, I think personally that the person who ordered the certificate ordered the wrong reference numbers. On the Tilmanstone parish records of the census 1851 there is a family of Fulssom of Three Colts, Upper Street which I am sure is Eliza's father, I will need to get information from the parish records: there are a few William Fassoms in Kent which makes it more difficult to trace.
Once again thank you, if you have any information how to get the parish records of Woodnesborough, Eastry & Tilmanstone, I would be grateful as the Ancestry sites have not got much on these villages and there are a lot of surname variants.
Thanks
Maz
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Hi Maz,
Personally I don't think you do have the wrong birth certificate, as andycand has said and I agree none of Eliza's siblings have been registered under Fasoms or variants, but they can be found under Atkins/Attkins.
It may be worthwhile getting the marriage cert of William Atkins to Jane Davison in 1861, of course it may well be that there is no fathers name listed next to William, but there may be other clues, if it shows his address at the time of marriage or from the witnesses.
Kath
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There is a family tree on A******y, that has this family with the surnames Atkins, and a christening date of 14 May 1837 in Tilmanstone. Interestingly William's parents are still listed as William and Eliza (nee Potts) Fassom. On the notes for the christening it states "christened as William Fassom".
If you are unable I could make contact and bring this thread to the attention of the tree owner.
Kath
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There is a downloadable document (cost £3.50) on the National Archives with reference to "volunteering on 17 Feb 1854", it is listed under the Admiralty Board. The date of birth for William is 14 Apr 1837, which would fit in nicely with the christening a month later!
The link is: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search/search_results.aspx?st=q&queryText=william%20fassom&aqgQueryText=william%20fassom&queryType=ALL
Kath
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Hi Kath,
Yes your right & sorry it has taken a little while to reply, l have been to the library to look at the parish records, l have the marriage of William Atkins to Jane Davison in October 1861 in staple, Williams fathers surname being William Atkins, l will need to go back to see if l can read the banns for any addresses. l also stumbled across the marriage of Mary Jane Atkins in May of 1893, which was their daughter, Mary's has gone to sign and put Mary Jane Fass Atkins, but crossed out the Fass part, its still a mystery as to why the name change, l still have no idea.
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England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
about Frederick James Burden
Name: Frederick James Burden
Year of Registration: 1889
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Lewisham
County: Greater London, Kent, London
Volume: 1d
Page: 1174