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Can anyone kindly direct me to where I might find the names of persons quarantined upon arrival at Port Jackson in 1855?
My interest is in the crew of the JUNO which had travelled via Mauritius where contagious and infectious diseases eg small-pox and cholera, were prevalent.
With thanks for your interest.
CRABBY
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Hi Crabby,
Just wizzing out the door.......thought this might be as good a place as any for you to start........had a quick look and "Juno" isn't mentioned in the Quarantine history for the 1855 period........but this organisation would be able to direct you further.
http://www.manlyquarantine.com/QSmain.htm
Cheers
Siouxsie
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Hi there,
http://www.nla.gov.au/ferg/issn/14403897.html
This link should get you to the newspaper, The Shipping gazette and Sydney general trade list. Its online covering 1844 to 1855.
HMS Juno took the NSW Governor (General ;) ) on a cruise in 1855, and towards the end of 1855 the Juno was cruising in the South Pacific, around "Feejee" (Fiji ;D )
I don't know if the Juno was quarantined at all in 1855, but I am interested in a crew list too... ;) Captn Freemantle is the only name I have found at present, and I'm looking for a chap surnamed
Cheers, JM
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Thank you Siouxsie and JM
The JUNO was, in fact, the HMS JUNO which became the Colony Governor's residence in Port Jackson.
I am attempting to confirm that George Gilbert EDMONDS was on the HMS JUNO.
I have not found any immigration records for him: There is a whole lot of information about Captn. FREMANTLE. The port of Fremantle was named after his brother.
GGE was married in Sydney in 1857 and later came to Brisbane where he died in 1906.
I will keep an eye out for PRICE
Crabby
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Hi Crabby :)
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au shows a ship called the Juno (presumably a private/merchant vessel) arriving twice into Sydney, as Just Moi has already found - once in January 1855 and once in October 1855. The January arrival shows they came in from the "Bay of Pines". I'm not sure where that actually is/was, but Google tells me it's the old name for the Monterey area in California. The second trip appears to have been around unspecified "South Sea Islands".
Unfortunately, neither crew list shows George Gilbert EDMONDS.
If he was on the HMS Juno, we will have to search elsewhere for records. I'm not sure where "elsewhere" is, but the National Maritime Museum in the UK has a collection of official records of Capt. Fremantle - log books etc. could mention your George:
http://www.nmm.ac.uk/collections/archive/catalogue/record.cfm?ID=FRE%2F201-207
Others more experience with naval historical research may have suggestions as to where you can look, I hope :)
Cheers
Prue
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Added: Someone else was also looking for George Edmonds back in 2005:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,83327.0.html
As you can see, I wasn't much help then, either! ;D
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;D
I think Bay of Pines on that manifest image could be a little closer to OZ, perhaps around Noumea ;D or one of the former French colonies ... ;D
JM
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Probably right, JM - seems to have been quite a small vessel, so California is perhaps a bit of a stretch!! ;D
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Perhaps more helpful this time... ;D
The National Archives UK has guides for finding Royal Navy sailors in different time periods:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/default.htm (scroll down to "Navy")
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;)
For a long time I've thought there's TWO or more vessels named Juno ... in OZ waters in 1850's ... I haven't ever found the time to really consider that in any depth, but its on my "to do" list.
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/709747
The Maitland Mercury & Hunter River General Advertiser Wednesday 12 December 1855
Here's HMS Juno with Cptn Freemantle and Mr Pritchard undertaking some important enquiries back in Sept 1855 ... (The Maitland newspaper often had greater depth and wider coverage of info than say the SMH in those mid 19thC decades)...
Oh, Prue, that link could be very handy ....
Cheers, JM
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JUNO Launched 1844.07.01 Hull Wood Screw: Wood Type: 6th rate Builder's Measure 923 tons No.of Guns 26 Fate: 1880 SB = ships book in PRO London1878: =
NOTE: 'Mariner'; police ship. 1878 = 'Atalanta', t.s. 1880.02.12 foundered in Atlantic
http://www.pdavis.nl/MidVicShips.php?page=7
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Umm...
http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/I/02546.html
If HMS Juno was in quarantine in PJ in 1855, then it seems it would be first half of that year ...
12 Oct 1854 depart Bombay for Sydney via Trincomalee (left there 29 Nov)
31 Jan 1855 arrive Sydney
7 Jun 1855 Depart Sydney on a cruise.
23 Jun 1855 Arrive Sydney from a cruise
11 Jul 1855 Arrive Sydney from a cruise.
7 Aug 1855 Depart Sydney on a cruise.
29 Sep 1855 Arrive Tahiti from Pitcairn Island, detained there a few days and then proceeded to Pago Pago,
Oct 18 1855 Arrive Apia from Pago Pago.
17 Oct 1855 Reported as having arrived at Upolo.
30 Nov 1855 News received at Sydney that the Juno and Dido are reported to be at Opolu, the former was about to proceed to Vavou, and the latter to Tahiti.
27 Dec 1855 Arrived Sydney, from Apia, 12 Nov ; Ovalon, 9 Dec ; Norfolk Island, 20 Dec. RoP of cruise among the South Sea Islands, including Pitcairn, Papeite, Manus, Apia, Ovalon, Norfolk Island
Cheers, JM :)
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Yes, found an article in the NLA's newspapers online stating that she was quarantined in the January as she had smallpox on board. Unfortunately no names given.
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Hi,
I've err... made some spare minutes this afternoon ;) to try to figure out if there were two vessels named Juno in and around OZ in 1855.... hoping that along the way I'll find info about quarantine and list of names etc. Only looking at the newspapers ;D
The Barque, "Juno" was at Hobsons Bay and the River (Melbourne Vic ;)) as per The Argus, Monday 1 January 1855 but no mention of Quarantine issues in that issue of the paper ... However
3 Jan 1855, The Argus has article about another vessel (Pluto) who breached quarantine at Hobsons Bay .... and article about measles onboard another (The Birmingham) into quarantine at (I think) PJ, with 421 emigrants, indicating that's the FIRST case of a ship in quarantine "at this port" ..
AND in same edition (3 Jan, 1855) a lengthy article about JUNO having been trading in South Sea Islands, Captn Abby (link : http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/4802632 ) which again makes me think there's TWO "Juno" vessels ... one in Sth Seas, the other being HM Storeship Juno bringing the NSW Governor-General to NSW ... I think the storeship was quarantined, but of course I could be wrong. If its just one ship, then why was it NOT quarantined in Melbourne ... ;D and err, did the NSW GG get quarantined in before landing ! ....
Oh well, I'll try to follow the detail up later this evening, and post here with some detailed newspaper info. Hopefully I'll at least be able to know if two vessels or not... Fingers crossed I find names in the papers at the Ferguson papers (alas, not keyword searchable and I've messed up the link when inserting it here but ) http://www.nla.gov.au/ferg/ I'll also try to get two different "burthern" details ...
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You just need to watch the tonnage. The Juno arr Jan/Oct 1855 on the Mariner's site was a South Seas trader of 212 tons. She was bought by Robert Towns in 1852, and was lost when driven on to Moreton Island in Qld in May 1857.
I don't think you will find any name manifests for HM ships.
Debra
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Hi there,
Well, well, thanks Debra, that tonnage of 212 versus the 923 that Edo posted earlier... two different vessels ....
So, to help Crabby's search for the quarantine list ... and
attempting to confirm that George Gilbert EDMONDS was on the HMS JUNO.
I think both vessels "JUNO" may have been in PJ during January 1855, and to me it seems likely that HMS Juno (the 923 tons one) came up from Melbourne with the NSW GG and was not quarantined, so perhaps the crews list for that vessel would be among the UK archives with Royal Navy paylists etc (UK's WO series, but not sure of the exact number for Stores vessels) ...
Sorry Crabby for confusing the issue for you on this thread.... any thoughts as to which of the JUNO vessels your chap was on?
Cheers, JM
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If GGE was on HMS Juno as crew, then he would have been Royal Navy, and should be somewhere in the records at the National Archives UK.
HMS Juno was definitely the one placed in Quarantine in January 1855.
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Supporting Prue's info re HMS Juno and quarantine...
The other Juno that was at PJ in January, 1855 had been six months away, trading in South Seas ... here's an article.........The Moreton Bay Courier 6 Jan 1855 pg 2... ... that clinches it for me, six months away ... where would that crew meet smallpox... v Prue's details re the quarantine for HMS Juno.
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/3710797
I have not sighted any names for any of the crew under Captain Abby of the little old South Seas Trader... I think my chap likely crew on that vessel. One day I'll find him, but not this time, for it will get tangled with Ben Boyd disappearance, and that's another tale and a half.
Good Luck Crabby with finding your chap.
Cheers, JM
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hi JM - the website I mentioned earlier lists the ships in order of arrival date - somewhere in the entry for each ship there should be a link to view a scan of the crew list :)
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au shows a ship called the Juno (presumably a private/merchant vessel) arriving twice into Sydney, as Just Moi has already found - once in January 1855 and once in October 1855. The January arrival shows they came in from the "Bay of Pines".
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Hi there,
Thanks Prue, alas the mariners site does not yet have the arrivals of Captn Abby and his Juno (300 tons) for April 1855 (ex PJ abt 14 Feb 1855), or June or July or Aug or Sept 1855 ... SMH online has Abby’s Juno listed for those months under “Vessels Expected in Sydney”... In past years I have transcribed for mariners site.
Re HMS Juno, released from Quarantine 23 Feb 1855, came up the harbour and anchored at Farm Cove as per SMH Saturday 24 February 1855 http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12966081 Err... If Crabby’s chap was HMS Juno, then perhaps he had shore leave on Tuesday 6 March ... see http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12966405 and http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12966418
Searching online newspapers especially the SMH ... for March 1855 for “Juno” and there’s names mentioned for some the crew of HMS Juno ... (those names could help when searching for Royal Navy records for Crabby’s GG Edmonds as they may have served with him ... perhaps he deserted ...)
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12966420
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12966466
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12966516
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12966721
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12967191 (Seven un-named Deserters from HMS Juno)
I haven't ventured further on the newspapers online for the HMS JUNO ....
:)
Cheers, JM...
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Thank you JM, Prue , Deborah and others for taking such an interest in assisting me to find my GGGrandfather, George Gilbert EDMONDS; particularly his arrival in Port Jackson.
His obituary [1906] stated that he came to Australia on the HMS JUNO but, as yet, I cannot confirm that he was on the crew or an immigrant from Wexford IRE where he was said to have been born abt 1828.
I have been in contact with several Churches in Wexford, but, the Dublin Archives advise me that the records of the 1830's era were destroyed by fire many years' ago.
He came to South Brisbane abt 1860 [possibly following Separation from the Colony of NSW]. He was a successful builder and died in 1906: He is buried under a large obelisk in South Brisbane Cemetery.
In 1856 he had a Bowling Alley in Sydney and lived in Norton Street for a while, incl. after his marriage in 1857.
The HMS JUNO was the resident Governor's vessel in NSW and frequently took 'tours' to Pacific 'out-stations'
I note that there were 2 other Junos of lesser size [and without guns]. One ran aground in Moreton Bay and the other [traded with Fiji] was wrecked in New Zealand.
The HMS JUNO was de-commissioned and became a Police Boat and later a Training vessel [the 'ATALANTA" - it disappeared in the 1880s in the Bermuda triangle with over 200 cadets on board.
Any further information, no matter how miniscule will further assist.
With sincere thanks
EDO
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Hi there,
Hope I'm not straying too far from the thread, but I have (finally) figured out why the NSW GG was not quarantined ! He was not on the HMS Juno in January ::).
Sir William T DENISON arrived PJ 17 Jan 1855 on the Tasmania (of course from Tas, where he had been Governor) ::).... Sir William was replacing the outgoing NSW Governor General, FITZ ROY. Both those gentlemen were considered to be Governor General of Australia during the years immediately before and after the separation of (and thus formation of colonies with their own governors) Victoria and Queensland. The SMH in various articles in 1855 refers to Sir William as Governor General of Australia as though it is a separate commision over and above his commision as NSW Governor. Perhaps to give the status a "higher" level if disputes arose across colonial borders... Interestingly, most texts indicate the first GG was Lord Hopetoun, perhaps they ought to explain that Hopetoun was the first GG of the Commonwealth of Australia ;D, but not the first GG of Australia.
Thankyou EDO for your sincere thanks, as you can see from the info immediately above, I have enjoyed myself while looking for my own chap, PRICE, a crewman on the Juno (err... and I'm learning ... there's three vessels to sort through !) .
:D If ever a Trivia question arises as to who was the first GG of OZ, may you smile and answer Hopetoun, and add although could be Fitz Roy ;) or Denison ;)
Cheers, JM
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Oh dear, JM, I may have mislead you a little.
The 'GG' I am chasing up on was not the Governor General: He was George Gilbert EDMONDS! my GG-Grandfather. [c1828-1906]
It is coincidental that the vessel I am following up on, the HMS JUNO, was also the fishing boat' for the GG and his friends: Hence the frequent shipping movements in andout of Port Jackson.
Thanks for your interest JM, I don't mind if you continue. There is a big story about the HMS JUNO an Captain Stephen FREMANTLE. I understand that the Captains Joournals are in an unsorted format in KEW.
I 'must' [personal wish] find out how he came to Australia.
I do have somebody in Wexford IRE following up on 'scraps' from that area; but there has been no confirmation as yet. There are about 200 church parishes to follow up in Wexford.
Thank you for your continued interest
CRABBY
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Hi Crabby,
Documentation for HM ships is retained in the UK and you may have to get somebody to check ship's musters etc for you. The Archives have musters 1853 to 1857.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0a46/
Debra :)
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Hello Dundee et al
Thank you for your assistance.
Crabby
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See Jean Duncan Foley's book "In Quarantine". Apparently there were no deaths from smallpox at the Q.Station.
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I know this is a very old thread, but I thought I would add to it. My great grandfather was on the Juno as a very young man, his first ship, and I was brought up knowing a certain amount about this voyage. In the last day or so I have again revisited the subject, and collected some UK newspaper items, including mention of the quarantine. It seems to have been an unhappy ship with a possibly unbalanced captain, and there was a lot of trouble when she returned home.
Apparently there were leading articles in the Sydney journals which "speak out boldly their opinions upon Captain Fremantle's conduct." I would be interested to read some of them, but I am not sure if they are available to me on-line?
Regarding the fate of the Juno, renamed Atalanta, and lost with a crew of trainees, great grandfather was of the opinion that she should never have been used as a training ship, as she was difficult to handle. I found a report containing evidence from another former crewman which confirmed this.
None of this put gr.grandad off the Navy - he served his 20 years!
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Suggest a search of the Trove site,
Cass
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I know this is a very old thread, but I thought I would add to it. My great grandfather was on the Juno as a very young man, his first ship, and I was brought up knowing a certain amount about this voyage. In the last day or so I have again revisited the subject, and collected some UK newspaper items, including mention of the quarantine. It seems to have been an unhappy ship with a possibly unbalanced captain, and there was a lot of trouble when she returned home.
Apparently there were leading articles in the Sydney journals which "speak out boldly their opinions upon Captain Fremantle's conduct." I would be interested to read some of them, but I am not sure if they are available to me on-line?
Regarding the fate of the Juno, renamed Atalanta, and lost with a crew of trainees, great grandfather was of the opinion that she should never have been used as a training ship, as she was difficult to handle. I found a report containing evidence from another former crewman which confirmed this.
None of this put gr.grandad off the Navy - he served his 20 years!
Yes, TotH, there are quite a few articles free to view as Cass says
https://trove.nla.gov.au
eg this one:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article60425557
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Just reading some of the articles, interesting comment that rings true 150 years later:
"And yet, the conduct of the Captain of the Juno towards his officers is but the type of what men in power, of whatever kind, and, particularly, in combination, practice towards anyone whose forbearance they think they can long continue to play upon. They issue their fiat and at once prepare to support it - unjustifiable thought it be, as based on acknowledged falsehoods - heedless of the pain inflicted upon the mind, certainly not less upright than their own, and blind to the fact that so dastardly a deed will, hereafter, inevitably recoil upon themselves - to the glory of the intentionally injured, but to their own indelible dishonour."
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article60427226
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Thanks for your replies. I have just spent a couple of hours looking at Trove, though I missed that last one as I set it for 1855-1857, when the ship left for home. I also removed the word Fremantle, as it brought up a lot of false trails! The UK newspapers were quite right about the opinions being expressed in Sydney.
Apart from that aspect, I was looking for reports of what the ship was doing during those years - I picked up a few bits, mainly arrivals and departures. Now to try and collate it all!
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Hi I though you might enjoythis:
Also appreciate any info on its sailings.
1856 (Jan 18) flapless cover from England to "Lieut GB Headley RN/HM Ship Juno/Sydney ..." on the Australian Station with 2d blue x3 (one with trimmed perfs at base) paying a 3 oz letter rate as per 10 January 1840 Uniform Penny Postage rate.
tied by indistinct numeral cancels, 'BRIDLINGTON' (Yorkshire) despatch and Sydney 'SHIP-LETTER/MY 4' arrival b/s , largely very fine strike of the small British 'd1' accountancy h/s in red on face.
Because it was addressed to an officer, the sender was not entitled to the 1d military concession. Carried as a packet letter with the 1d due to NSW (as compared to 3d for private ship letters) shown by the accountancy marking.