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Hi all
I think that I have my Northern Ireland family in Scotland for the 1851 and 1861 census, however the only facts that I have that are certain that match are the Father (head) is James, the son Patrick was born around 1841 (from marriage details in Antrin in 1874) and that Patrick was a shoemaker.
The census returns are from Ancestry and I have found the 1861 on the scotlands people site, the address is :
5 James Court, Edinburgh, Midlothian
Head James McKellan (1861) and James McKillen (1851) Head
Jane McKellan/Mckillen wife
John McKillen son (not on 1861 census)
James McKillen son
Peter Mckillen son (not on 1861 census)
William McKillen son (not on 1861 census)
Catherine Mckillen daut
Margaret McKillen daut
Thomas McKillen son (not born until 1856)
I also have Thomas's birth info with his surname given as McKillam father James and mother Jane, but I can not make out her maiden name.
From the marriage detail of Patrick McKillen and Rose Kane, 12 April 1874 in Rasharkin, Ballymoney, Antrim I have the age of groom 33, bride 28 both unmarried and the fathers as James McKillen and John Kane both farmers (possibly Labourers) Groom's occupation is shoemaker. This is the same as in the Scottish 1861 census for Patrick Mckellan.
I would be grateful for any advice.
Many thanks, Sam
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Hi Sam
Thomas' Roman Catholic baptism shows on SP's RC register on line:
Birth 01/03/1856, baptism 15/03/1856: Thomas MCKILLAN. Parents JAMES MCKILLAN/JANE KIRK at EDINBURGH, ST MARY'S CATHEDRAL.
Monica :)
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Many thanks for that Monica, I couldn't read the mother's maiden name :)
Do you think that I have the right family? I had a possible marriage for James McKillen in Antrim to a Ellen McMullan, but I guess that Jane could be a second wife??? I am really stuck with this part of my family and have spent well over £100 searching records on Irish websites, any help or advice would be great.
Many thanks, Sam
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Can be an expensive business this hobby when you are hunting down records :-\
Are there any clues in the names of Patrick and Rose's children to tie things back to this family in Scotland. Certainly looks highly possible that you do have the right family for Patrick but as always, it is trying to get the final verifications.
I can't easily see Patrick in Scotland in 1871, but this looks like the McKillan family still in Edinburgh in 1871:
James M'kellin 56, labourer
William M'kellin 27
Catherine M'kellin 24
Margaret M'kellin 22
Thomas M'kellin 15
Catherine M'kellin 8, granddaughter b. Canongate, Edinburgh
Address: 2 Innes' Court, Newington, Edinburgh
And in 1881:
James McKellan 66, printer's assistant
Margaret McKellan 32
Catherine McKellan 19
Address: 23. Cowan'S Close, Newington, Edinburgh
Official registration for Roman Catholic BMDs did not come into effect in Ireland until 1864, so not sure how to go on from here without some indication as to where in Ireland the family originated from.
You could try checking through the censuses to see whether any of Patrick's siblings, assuming it is the family, ever gave a more specific birth place on censuses other than 'Ireland'.
Monica
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I think Patrick's brother Peter, born a year or so before him according to the earlier censuses, married a Jessie McGregor in Canongate, Edinburgh in 1869. Mother is Jane, maiden name down as Kirk/kerk, father James, printer.
On at least two censuses after his marriage (1871 and 1891), Peter shows County Monaghan as his birth place in Ireland:
1871:
Peter McKellar 31, Furnace Man b. co Monaghan, Ireland
Jessie McKellar 25 b. Fortwich, Perthshire
John McKellar 5
Margt Jan McKellar 1
Address: No. 13 Cowfeeder Row Or High Riggs, Edinburgh
1881:
Peter Mc Kiln 43, Furnaceman (Unempld) b. Ireland
Jessie Mc Kiln 35 b. ??Teviot, Perthshire
Margaret Mc Kiln 11
Isabella Mc Kiln 9
Matilda Mc Kiln 7
Jessie Mc Kiln 4
James Mc Kiln 1
Address: 40 So Richmond St, Newington Edinburgh
1891:
Peter McKellan 50, Upper Cutter Rubber Works b. Ireland, Monaghan
Jessie McKellan 40 b. Shire, Forteviot Perth
Isabella McKellan 19
Matilda McKellan 17
Jenny McKellan 14
James McKellan 10
John McKellan 7
George McKellan 5
Susan McKellan 3
Address: 40 no Richmond St, Newington Edinburgh
Something to work from in respect of Ireland hopefully :)
Have you been able to find Patrick and Rose in the 1911 census for Ireland if they stayed there?
Monica
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Hi Monica
many, many thanks for all that information, I am still not sure whether this is my family, I know the following for definate:
George McKillen born 23 February 1878 in Craigs, Antrim to parents Patrick McKillen and Rose Kane, whose father's were James McKillen and John Kane when they married in Rasharkin on 12 April 1874, both fathers are down as farmers and Patrick is down as a shoemaker. George then went to Glasgow around 1900ish, he lodges with a Daniel McKillen and his family, I believe that Daniel is his uncle, he is on the 1901 scottish census, he then marries a 2nd generation Scot/Irish girl called Sarah Barnes in 1905 in Springburn, Glasgow where he stays, having 7 children and dies in 1939 and his parents information is confirmed in the death details. George had a sister Ellen and a brother John, I have traced Ellen through until 1911, she marries a Mr Darragh and has a daughter, I can not find anything concrete about John. Of siblings for Patrick, I have no information. I have the year of birth for Rose as 1845 and Patrick as 1841, I could not find them in the 1911 census, so I am assuming that they are dead.
I really am at a loss on how to go forward.
Many thanks again though, Sam
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Daniel McKillan is not a brother to Patrick. Parents for Daniel (who was married 4 times ::) according to his 1915 DC - Catherine being no.4!) show as George, shoemaker and Ellen Darroch.
Monica
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This might help with locations.
Wife no.2 for Daniel looks to have been a Mary Kane (lots of similar names cropping up here Kane/Darroch etc).
This may be a daughter to Daniel and Mary, from IGI:
Rose Ann McKillan Birth: 16 AUG 1877 Mullans Finvoy, Antrim, Ireland
Parents: Daniel McKillan and Mary McKillan Kane.
This is Daniel by now with wife No.4 Catherine in Springburn by 1891 - everyone born in Ireland:
Daniel McKillen 45
Catherine McKillen 42
Rose Ann McKillen 13
John McKillen 11
Mary McKillen 9
John McFall 22
Address: 3 Centre St, St Rollox
Monica
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This might help with locations.
Wife no.2 for Daniel looks to have been a Mary Kane (lots of similar names cropping up here Kane/Darroch etc).
This may be a daughter to Daniel and Mary, from IGI:
Rose Ann McKillan Birth: 16 AUG 1877 Mullans Finvoy, Antrim, Ireland
Parents: Daniel McKillan and Mary McKillan Kane.
This is Daniel by now with wife No.4 Catherine in Springburn by 1891 - everyone born in Ireland:
Daniel McKillen 45
Catherine McKillen 42
Rose Ann McKillen 13
John McKillen 11
Mary McKillen 9
John McFall 22
Address: 3 Centre St, St Rollox
Monica
Sorry Monica, I did have that, I think that my brain is leaking out somewhere!!!!! :o
I found that there were 3 Kane sisters, 2 married McKillens, that was Rose and Mary and a 3rd Alice married a George Connon. Mary's daughter Mary went on to marry her cousin, Alice's son Joseph Connon in 1906. I do think that maybe Daniel McKillen was related to Patrick also though.
It is very confusing trying to get everything straight in my head ;)
Many thanks for your help.
I think that I will put in the Mckillen family in Scotland and try and confirm or deny it at a later date.
Otherwise I will drive myself mad.
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Always helps to take a breather ;D
You know, if it wasn't because Patrick put down James for his father's name on his MC, Daniel's parents would be a perfect fit for him!. Patrick and Rose used the names George and Ellen for their children, which matches the names that Daniel has for his parents' on his Scottish DC ::)
Monica
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I know, why do they make it so complicated? :P
They got the John from Rose's dad, and I had a marriage for a James McKillen to an Ellen McMullan, but it was a bit late for Patrick's birth.
Maybe Patrick and Rose had died and that is why George went to Glasgow to be with his uncle?
Many thanks for your help, Sam